A Promising Repeater System.

[RouletteFanatic]

Sorry guys your efforts are great but no mechanical system can and will ever work. Not in the longterm anyway. And a large progression is not going to change that. What you do not realize is that as much as what you think a progression works for you .... 10 x fold it works against you when the house of cards come down.

BTW this system with 20 spins and using the numbers that has hit twice has been used before. Should be in the archives under full systems somewhere. It just does not work.

Jakkasdraai, mind you explain why it would not work? Is not that I doubt you or anything, but it would be better if you can substantiate with something.

I had 34 sessions or 700+ spins and was in about 2.6K profits. All my session were winning, even if there is one that is losing, I can "exit" anytime and still be in healthy profit.

Im not saying it will work forever, but its better then your run of mill strategy and also it seems to work very well up to now..

[keel44]

Did you notice how your peak profit in both of your examples was on the 68th spin exactly? --  


You are trying to beat roulette with a total onslaught of money.  It seems you have done it.  I have visually tested probably 100 sessions now.  The key to this system, anyway you slice it, is if you get a hit soon after a change of unit size.  Which also means an increase to the amount of numbers covered.  




I would like you to try something like this:

Bet the following occurrences for a specific number of spins.  If a number hits while your not on it, so be it and continue anyway.

2 numbers.  2 units.  6 spins
3 numbers.  3 units.  5 spins
4 numbers.  4 units.  4 spins
5 numbers.  5 units.  3 spins
6 numbers.  6 units.  2 spins
7 numbers.  7 units.  1 spin
8                  8            1 spin

everything else just 1 spin


* If a new qualifying number appears sooner than your max spins, just proceed as follows.
* If you get a win, just repeat the bet

[insidebet]

RouletteFanatic,

It will not work because because it has been tried hundreds, if not thousands of times before.
In all shapes and forms.  It always crashes.

700 spins, especially if you use a steep progression, means absolutely nothing.  Sorry, but that is just the truth.  I have seen plenty of systems that hold up to 20 000 spins.  The problem is you don't know if it will crash tomorow or in six months.

Insidebet

[keel44]

If you do not get on a little run when betting 12+ numbers, you will probably tank.  This total onslaught has high risk and HIGH rewards.  Anyone want to try it?  You will need around $2000 to be safe and to give it a good go.  If you want to follow a more safe approach you must set win and loss limits. 

Also, you could start betting 1 unit when you reach 10 numbers and increase +1 when you add on more numbers.


For now, I will try a session for fun.

Just thinking out loud,  KEEL

[RouletteFanatic]

RouletteFanatic,

It will not work because because it has been tried hundreds, if not thousands of times before.
In all shapes and forms.  It always crashes.

700 spins, especially if you use a steep progression, means absolutely nothing.  Sorry, but that is just the truth.  I have seen plenty of systems that hold up to 20 000 spins.  The problem is you don't know if it will crash tomorow or in six months.

Insidebet

Hi insidebet,

Im sure there is a certainty that there will be a time where the progression could not recover overall balance high. But i'm thinking to always exit at a favourable point of the progression(even when its negative), at most for that losing progression I made a loss of a few hundred.  But in the other 34 sessions I made 2600 in profits which would cover the ocassional loss of a few hundred if it does happen.

For one thing, this is not a martingale if you studied the progression diagram i proposed earlier. The losses at the early stages are small and the wins are big, but continuing the progression the losses and wins become more even and then the wins small and losses big. Therefore, it is not like you are pinning all hope on one single spin and finding yourself down of your whole bankroll. For this, you can exit anytime you want.

[RouletteFanatic]

Did you notice how your peak profit in both of your examples was on the 68th spin exactly? --  


You are trying to beat roulette with a total onslaught of money.  It seems you have done it.  I have visually tested probably 100 sessions now.  The key to this system, anyway you slice it, is if you get a hit soon after a change of unit size.  Which also means an increase to the amount of numbers covered.  




I would like you to try something like this:

Bet the following occurrences for a specific number of spins.  If a number hits while your not on it, so be it and continue anyway.

2 numbers.  2 units.  6 spins
3 numbers.  3 units.  5 spins
4 numbers.  4 units.  4 spins
5 numbers.  5 units.  3 spins
6 numbers.  6 units.  2 spins
7 numbers.  7 units.  1 spin
8                  8            1 spin

everything else just 1 spin


* If a new qualifying number appears sooner than your max spins, just proceed as follows.
* If you get a win, just repeat the bet

Will try that keel and report on results. Thanks for feedback. Anyway just to update you, while testing on the system, I already have +3000 profits in about 900 spins. Though, I came across one session of the progression that remained at a loss for a long time before reaching at a high balance of +273 at 20 units/20 numbers!

edit: weird thing is, it then achieved peak profit +2602 at 25 units/numbers!?!!?

That is very scary, though overall a high balance is achieved (I've haven't encountered one session where it doesn't yet up till now, but im sure it will happen) a sane person would not bet so deep into a progression.

However if I exited early, a loss of 100-200 units happens. And overall I would still profit considering the past sessions. I'm pretty sure a good exit strategy must be built for this system.

[RouletteFanatic]

Anyway keel just wondering, you said you have visually tested for 100 sessions. I wonder how does it look like? What program are you using.

thanks

edit: keel, about the 68th spin thingy, it doesnt always fall in peak profit. but I found out that at the 68th spin it always seems to make good money. Very eerily weird. If this works, maybe we can just have a system that stops after the 68th spin. lmao.

anyway heading off to sleep, would test all the ideas again..

[keel44]

Anyway keel just wondering, you said you have visually tested for 100 sessions. I wonder how does it look like? What program are you using.

thanks

edit: keel, about the 68th spin thingy, it doesn't always fall in peak profit. but I found out that at the 68th spin it always seems to make good money. Very eerily weird. If this works, maybe we can just have a system that stops after the 68th spin. lmao.

anyway heading off to sleep, would test all the ideas again..

I have a program that you can feed numbers into it and it will tell you numbers that have hit once, twice, and more than twice.  I can also see when they hit.

I only can do 50 spins at a time.  All I know is the first hit comes at around spin 18 on average while your betting 4 or 5 numbers on average.  I never had tested to the great lengths you suggest.  There must be some way to make this work at a safer level.  Only time will tell.

KEEL

[RouletteFanatic]

Keel, finally had one session which I thought was a losing session cause had a drawdown as large as 3000 units, but was at last able to recover at 26 units/numbers. I was defintely wrong about it being a mountain (the profits), it was more of a reverse mountain in this case.

scary though...but still haven't come across a complete losing session yet..though I see it as a certainty at some point.

would try your method now.

[Jakkalsdraai]

Not trying to be the negative influence here. Trust me I have tried just about anything that's around. The fact of the matter remains that you will eventually hit a brick wall. Whatever seems to make sense this week most probably won't next week.

Notice how your drawdown was 3000 units? How you are already 25 unit per number? In the B&M casino I play at the min is 1 chip and the maximum is 20 chips per number.......

Why would this not work?

Well for starters remember that each and every roulette spin is an event on it's own. No previous results affects it. When I say this I contradict myself slightly but what I'm trying to say is that because a certain number game out twice does not mean it will happen again for the next 200 spins. Same with any other number that came out twice, simply because on every spin every number has the same chance of showing. So because a number repeated does not mean for one second that it has more chance of showing than any other number. I contradict myself slightly because yes if I play Kimo's method I do look back at spins but not as much the number as rather sectors or in 'time' when what is due. Again though not specific numbers as much as what is happening on the wheel.

[RouletteFanatic]

Not trying to be the negative influence here. Trust me I have tried just about anything that's around. The fact of the matter remains that you will eventually hit a brick wall. Whatever seems to make sense this week most probably won't next week.

Notice how your drawdown was 3000 units? How you are already 25 unit per number? In the B&M casino I play at the min is 1 chip and the maximum is 20 chips per number.......

Why would this not work?

Well for starters remember that each and every roulette spin is an event on it's own. No previous results affects it. When I say this I contradict myself slightly but what I'm trying to say is that because a certain number game out twice does not mean it will happen again for the next 200 spins. Same with any other number that came out twice, simply because on every spin every number has the same chance of showing. So because a number repeated does not mean for one second that it has more chance of showing than any other number. I contradict myself slightly because yes if I play Kimo's method I do look back at spins but not as much the number as rather sectors or in 'time' when what is due. Again though not specific numbers as much as what is happening on the wheel.

Hi, though I was just pushing it to see when will it be a flat-out losing session if I just continue betting. In that above scenario, I could have stopped playing and exited losing a few hundred and still have thousands from earlier sessions. I believe with some sort of exit strategy, one can still profit then just flat betting or playing through luck.

There's nothing 100% at roulette, there's the luck element involved. but a strategy with some luck is better then random playing..

[keel44]

Due to the random nature of how many times a number will hit in a set number of spins, this system can be profitable.  Usually in 37 spins, at least 1 number will hit a third time.  Not always of course, but way more times than not.  An aggressive approach like this, takes advantage of HOT numbers.  The problem is when to get in and when to get out.

Basically this takes advantage of random fluctuation of repeating numbers.  If it does not repeat soon enough, this system will fail.

On a side note, I tried this technique with low numbers.  I wait until a low number appears, then I start betting on that number.  I keep adding numbers and units as they come.  I am waiting for a low number to appear twice in this case.  I had great success, just like this system.

Keep persevering !!





KEEL

[RouletteFanatic]

Keel, just wondering, what is the longest amount of spins before it takes a number to hit a triple?

I know technically it is 75 spins. If each number repeats twice 37*2, the next one has to be a triple. But the chances of that happening are very low, its so extreme that i dont think it has happened it roulette history before..I wonder in a simulation of a few millions spins, whats the results like?

[keel44]

I do not have that answer.  I have seen the first triple hit on spin 37 in my visual testing.  Only once out of one hundred or so trial tests.  It would take an odd case to be much more than that.  What do you got up your sleeve?

[RouletteFanatic]

I had played around with repeaters before, the longest it took to encounter a triple was somewhere in the low to mid 40s if I can remember correctly..But thats just from my own personal experience..

[RouletteFanatic]

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