Laws of roulette

[Herb]

For starters, there really isn't a law of the third.  It's more of a probability observation.  It's really no different than saying that a number will, on average, hit once in every 38 spins.  

Such information is not going to enable you to overcome the house edge because there is not any useful information that can be derived from it.    In roulette, each spin is an independent trial.   This means numbers are never due to catch up or hit because they haven't hit in a long time.  The house payout is also less than fair.

It's really not unusual for novice gamblers to become distracted by systems that claim to exploit hidden math laws like the law of the third in order to win.  Many people have fallen prey to such mistakes over the centuries.

For more information search: Gambler's Fallacy.

[winkel]

Sorry Herb,

but your conclusions are absolutly wrong.

This "stochastical" (not a math!!) law gives you hints.
of course you can´t be sure that it is always this distribution, but you know it must come over all to the statistical limits. for that it will give you hints to the trend.

br
winkel

[Alfa_Street]

For starters, there really isn't a law of the third.  It's more of a probability observation.  It's really no different than saying that a number will, on average, hit once in every 38 spins.  

Such information is not going to enable you to overcome the house edge because there is not any useful information that can be derived from it.    In roulette, each spin is an independent trial.   This means numbers are never due to catch up or hit because they haven't hit in a long time.  The house payout is also less than fair.

It's really not unusual for novice gamblers to become distracted by systems that claim to exploit hidden math laws like the law of the third in order to win.  Many people have fallen prey to such mistakes over the centuries.

For more information search: Gambler's Fallacy.

Im not talking about law of third like 99% of system used it, playing slepper, hot numbers or repeaters after 36 spin cycle, but Im talking about calculating numbers. Every number have a value, like or not.

Pascal, brilliant person, did not want to complicate the lives of anyone with his triangle, but most use complicated formulas, but when Blaise Pascal started on the construction of the triangle reasoned in simple formula using as a starting point basis the number 1 and number + 10 + / -- And how you will see any number increases by 1 changing the cadence (odd and even) and the figure, while with + / - 10 changes the dozen and figure (but not the frequency) and often useful even for the color.

Im finished with this discussion anyway.

[Herb]

Somewhere along the way, someone has snookered you into believing that Pascal's triangle can be used to beat roulette.
If you read up on your basic math you will see that someone is having a laugh at your expense.

Pascal's triangle never will and never has been used to successfully beat roulette.  It is nothing more than a geometric arrangement of the binomial coefficients in a triangle.



Using Pascal's trianlge to beat roulette is like using a fork to beat blackjack or a crossword puzzle to repair a car.


Best regards.

-Herb

[straight-talker]

I once tried to fix a car using a crossword puzzle, I nearly had it as well, I just could not get 22 down. Anyway, I had to scrap the car in the end.  

[winkel]

Using Pascal's trianlge to beat roulette is like using a fork to beat blackjack or a crossword puzzle to repair a car.
Best regards.
-Herb

something to think about:




yellow = numbers which appeared at all
green = hnumbers appeard more than once
white box = numbers appeared once
orange = sleepers

[Herb]

So what?  Sorry, but it's just a triangle with numbers in it.  

[winkel]

sorry, i didn´t mention that the coloured lines show the binomial-distribution.

Hi Herb,

if you just wanna see what you want, i can´t help.

if you would be open minded, you read the informations that the lines could give you

And if you would be able to combine the arithmic triangle with this shown above, you could get something to think about

br
winkel

[Herb]

Like I said, using the triangle to try and win at roulette is like using a crossword puzzle to try and fix your car.
Multiplying the numbers within the triangle will not mysteriously predict the next likely number on the roulette wheel anymore than solving a crossword puzzle would fix a flat tire on my car.


The triangle doesn't take into account the position of the rotor when the ball is released, the position of the ball in relation to the rotor during the spin, the speed of the wheel in relation to the ball, etc.   The triangle is of no value whatsoever.  

[charlie476]

i like to call it law of unequal distribution cause we dont know the exact number of missing numbers that will occur within 37 spins but you can count there will be atleast a repeat. That info alone wont help you beat roulette but I really think if you waited for key times you could always come out ahead. I think the most unique numbers ive personally saw was 22 on bet365 few years ago when they still accept US wagers i played there often. Problem is its sorta unrealistic cause very few people will wanna sit and track 5 hours to make $10-30 it might be fine if you can play online but live in person casino would be dreaded. You could wait for a string of 15 unique numbers but still the progression would be brutal once you get to 20+ which is very possible although unlikely. But on the low note it could take a few hundred spins to even find such a string.

[winkel]

... cause we dont know the exact number of missing numbers that will occur within 37 spins but you can count there will be atleast a repeat. ....

There at minimum one more information we can trust on after 37 spins:
There will be no more repeaters than sleepers!

e.g. if we have 10 repeaters there have to be at minimum 10 sleepers.
If someone is interested i will give you a list of the most outcomes of sleepers, numbers once, and repeaters after 37 spins.

br
winkel

[winkel]

Like I said, using the triangle to try and win at roulette is like using a crossword puzzle to try and fix your car.

And the sun is spinning round the earth.

[TwoCatSam]

winkel

I'm interested.  I'm TwoCatSam@cox.net.

Thanks

Sam

[winkel]

1 month, RNG, about 14500 times 37 spins

0 = sleepers
1 = came once
>1 =repeaters

sorry, have to learn to post excell-sheets
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[Tucktuckster]

winkel,

very useful data.

i have been working on a system with a friend that i have making a profit flat betting over 8000 spins of actuals. I am tweaking that one to try and make it more profitable since profit is 1600 units over that time frame and its a grind that has ups and downs but with money management will make more of a profit and be smoother.

This data made me think about an old system i once tried. cost me a lot of cash because i didnt do any testing and just went for it. I thought what about if i apply the old system with some principles of the above - based on your data it must work.

Anyway - so far i have run through 350 spins of my actuals. It had 7 attacks and returned 419u. knowing my chicken style of play, i would have stopped before my win goal on a lot (ie win goal of 50 and i get 45 i would stop). That was on 7 attacks with flat betting.

I'm off to test some more and if it works

It basically involves waiting for unequal distribution of repeaters or non repeaters in x and flat betting that it will equal out and return more towards the statistical averages. ie wait for lump of non repeaters and assume that on average there are an amount of repeaters, therefore lump on numbers searching for them for a set number of trials based on flat betting. i came up with around just over 200 bank needed. therefore 50 sounds a good target for each attack if the bank is 200.

spent 5 mins testing, so need to examine more but in my experience something which wins 2 banks without loss, invariably has promise to win more banks than it loses resulting in long term gain.

Thank you Winkel and i will certainly post more after i have tested this further to see if it flies. might be a day or two since i have lots of work on at present.

[Tucktuckster]

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