Your thoughts Forester

[ReDsQuaD]

Hi guys. I just wanted a person opinoun about this guy. I want to know if he is a scammer. I have read a lot of topics but cannot make up my own mind.

Kind regards,
James.

[L4KNG]

Yes he is. There's numerous things you could read, but the conclusion is always the same.

[iggiv]

i don't think he is. I think he really believes when he is talking about something. It does not necessarily  mean that
he is always right, it is hard for me to say. but i don't think he is a scammer. He does not behave like one.

[ivan19061]

From what I know, but I dun know from what time, Forester starts to discredit Steve.
Forester does not own Steve RC but he judges that Steve is a scammer. And his devices dun work.
Then war begins, and never stop.

[ReDsQuaD]

From what I know, but I dun know from what time, Forester starts to discredit Steve.
Forester does not own Steve RC but he judges that Steve is a scammer. And his devices dun work.
Then war begins, and never stop.

I can agree with that to some extent. But I believe jealousy plays a big part in this,and I'm talking about Forester.
He knows he's device doesn't compare to Steve's but he wont admit it. He accuses Steve to be a scammer because he is simply jealous, its quite obvious. If people actually do there research, there is full proof that Steve's computers are far more accurate and reliable.

Foresters computer is at the same level of the basic setting on Steve's computer. Also compare the prices lol. Forester would never dream of charging around the same price that Steve prices he's computers.

Foresters computers: $1700-$2000
Steve's computers : $15000 -$25000

To me that just sums it all up.

I am not here to slate forester, I am just going on what I have seen and researched.

And to any one who thinks Steve is a scammer, they are unbelievably wrong.

James.

[Steve]

Thanks James, for taking the time to review everything and see the truth.

[GogoCro]

As I know Steve does not sell computers anymore. He give them for 50:50 profit or I am wrong? And how can somebody buy this way (50:50 share of a profit)?

[Steve]

I started selling them again, but increased the price of $15,000 single player version, and $30,000 to player version. Even at that I'm wary of selling it because a serious team can make that in a day. I stopped selling thge hybrid though (nolinks.hybridroulettecomputer.com) for many reasons. Firstly we made only 15 of them. Secondly they cost a fortune to make, and the latest standard version (now called "uber") is overall better for real casino conditions. The main advantage of the hybrid is complete automation, but there's more equipment to deal with.

[iggiv]

From what I know, but I dun know from what time, Forester starts to discredit Steve.
Forester does not own Steve RC but he judges that Steve is a scammer. And his devices dun work.
Then war begins, and never stop.

those roulette wars as I understand they have been goin on for long time. I am not saying who is right and who is wrong, and who said lies and who said the truth, I think this is an old and very complicated story, so it is not up to me to judge the people involved.
But for all I know both Steve and Forrester try to do their best to make some good products and sell them, not create scams of any kind. Steve probably has much more complicated and sophisticated stuff than Forrester.
But it does not mean that Forrester's stuff doesn't work -- I know some people claim it does.
Some kind of weird behavior of some people trying to bash each other (mostly I saw people attacking Steve and he tried to defend himself) does not have excuses of course. But of course it does not automatically make them
scammers. Scammer is one who purposely deceives public selling something that doesn't work.
Maybe I am wrong but lately I feel like roulette wars became a little bit more quiet and calm, which is good.

I would be really happy to see everyone just concentrated on his stuff to improve and not any wars or attacking somebody else. And I should give credits to Steve for not allowing some private details of people which are not even friendly to him to be posted on this forum.

I think we all should try to be a little more gentlemen to each other.

[ReDsQuaD]

those roulette wars as I understand they have been goin on for long time. I am not saying who is right and who is wrong, and who said lies and who said the truth, I think this is an old and very complicated story, so it is not up to me to judge the people involved.
But for all I know both Steve and Forrester try to do their best to make some good products and sell them, not create scams of any kind. Steve probably has much more complicated and sophisticated stuff than Forrester.
But it does not mean that Forrester's stuff doesn't work -- I know some people claim it does.
Some kind of weird behavior of some people trying to bash each other (mostly I saw people attacking Steve and he tried to defend himself) does not have excuses of course. But of course it does not automatically make them
scammers. Scammer is one who purposely deceives public selling something that doesn't work.
Maybe I am wrong but lately I feel like roulette wars became a little bit more quiet and calm, which is good.

I would be really happy to see everyone just concentrated on his stuff to improve and not any wars or attacking somebody else. And I should give credits to Steve for not allowing some private details of people which are not even friendly to him to be posted on this forum.

I think we all should try to be a little more gentlemen to each other.

Yes, well said.

James.

[Zindrod]

  Every one of you computer sellers! Give me your computers for free and I will tell you all which is good and which is not! AND I will play them in real casinos and not on video spins. 

It was meant as a joke before anyone get's nasty. That to me would be the only way to test all though. Get someone reputable. As far as I can see on all the boards, Herb (Snowman) seems to be the only viable option. Sorry Kelly. You too off course. Don't see those two being bias (pun not intended) in anyway.

I would love to see one reputable person test

Steve's best RC
Forester's best RC
Jafco's best RC
Bob Gordon (He does have a RC right?)
Mark Howe's best RC

Hell I would even pay for the results in a PDF form! Let's say Kelly for instance had the time and felt like it. Then test each RC for a week in a real B&M casino on the same wheel. Draw up the results in PDF form and sell it for $20 each.

I would buy it in A HEART BEAT.

Wonder which RC sellers would be game and who would not. Could tell a story by itself.

[Kelly]

Yeah well, i dont feel like it.  I could find more diffycult ways to get barred.  Besides, i would get a friend for life with the winning computer, the rest would attack me from now on, till the pigs come flying home from the fields. I like things just the way they are. 

[Zindrod]

Yeah well, I dont feel like it.  I could find more diffycult ways to get barred.  Besides, I would get a friend for life with the winning computer, the rest would attack me from now on, till the pigs come flying home from the fields. I like things just the way they are. 

lol. I see what you are saying. It's a no win situation. 

[telden]

it is easy to say to be nice to everyone when you arent e one who bought bullshit

[Steve]

Regarding public testing, who is the only one of us to conduct public demonstrations? (90% hit rate covering 15 numbers in last one, in difficult conditions - all recorded). Forester sent his computer to barnett, who essentially verified it does what a BASIC computer should do - get reference points. First version testing was a disaster. But even for his latest version said it cannot deal with scatter. Such a program can be written literally in hours. Unfortunately 99% of people wouldnt understand basic roulette computer algorithms so they wouldnt understand what I mean.

I sent my computer to a neutral reputable person for testing - Ronjo. And I even had Ronjo speak to one of my partners who verified the computer is effective in real conditions. I sent computers for testing to others too, but they didnt have time to test. I have also offered to send it AND FORESTERS FFA to Snow/Herb. I have also offered to do same spin predictions with both ffa and my computer hooked to the same switch, but people like bago and viper refused to do this testing. Why??

I could go on and on about validations I have done. There is so much to add. Like I said before, anyone who properly reads it all knows this.

I have never been interested in dazzling people with what my computers can do unless they are actual players or intending to be. It is not being done for glory. My only interest with public validations is exposing false claims which is now done thoroughly.

[Steve]

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