vls break even march

[djroulette]

Victor

i have been looking at your break even march and using it with some very good success in conjunction with lankys 6 point divisor. i was just wondering why you never followed up with it as i have found it to be very successful. anybody else on here used it??

many thanks

dj

[VLSroulette]

DJ, there have been many many grinding ways I have developed over the years, plenty of them haven't even seen the light on a public forum and are here on my notebooks. Some are faster, some are slower, but they are all methods which are intended to be used by patient players.

As a matter of fact, I told Lionel (Lanky) some time ago I'm into the "automated grind", for him to continue teaching Lw methodology while I go deeper into developing "automated grinds", which are more realistic approach than "holy grails" -which are supposed to be systems which beat any spin lenght (millions, billions, etc.); an automated grind is more realistic on its approach, meaning splitted into "playable sessions" (I.e. what a person can realistically bet, I.e. 100-spin session is more realistic than the millions expected to be "holy"). These are based on reliable events, use mild progressions (or even betting flat) and in general, are those systems which expect to win at the averages.

At sponsor-only area I'm starting this section: "The Quest for the Automated Grind" which as the name implies gets all of the slow & boring grinds I've gathered in the past to publish them as an incentive for sponsors to join. Well gotta bring that sponsor banner back.

These "babies" are into the grinding framework, but grinding without human intervention, which means  clear win/loss boundaries (yes, some sessions are expected to be lost, unlike the holy grails).

As to the break even point March, even with a simple "conscious pluscoup" it showed regular profit over several samples.

As it qualifies to be included as an "Automated Grind" then further study goes to this area, heck, sponsor banner return with as little as $1.35, so it will add to keep people motivated, along with me being the admin for a roulette forum in spanish for which best topics are to be translated to further incentivize. Things are getting brighter as this 2009 goes by. I firmly believe by the end of the year we can get all of our goals fulfilled.

2009 schedule includes bots and many other features, we aren't that late.

Oops, got too excited, check out this grinding session with the march and "conscious pluscoup":

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/vls'-notes/vlsmarch-3-break-even-point/msg45705/#msg45705

Regards.
Victor

[vix]

Victor,

I searched for "conscious pluscoup" but cannot find it anywhere.
How does it work?

Thanx,
Vix

[lucky_strike]

Victor

I have been looking at your break even march and using it with some very good success in conjunction with lankys 6 point divisor. I was just wondering why you never followed up with it as I have found it to be very successful. anybody else on here used it??

many thanks

dj

Sounds good I wanted to test it before when I was at VLS Note but I am not sure I get it correct
It say that you should follow the last dozen 3 times in a row to try hitting an repeat.
Then if it fails you should play the 2 dozens that has not hit.

Well how can that be correct.
Lets assume I lost my first 3 bets then I am down -3 units.
Then it gets expensive to play 2 dozen and I only win 1 unit if I hit and I does not recover my loses.

Sorry I don't get it.

Victor,

I searched for "conscious pluscoup" but cannot find it anywhere.
How does it work?

Thanx,
Vix

Yes I would also like to know more about "conscious pluscoup" and how this march works.

LS

[atlantis]

Hi VLS,

I am also interested in more details and a small step-by-step example of how this works if poss.
Thanks,

Atlantis.

[VLSroulette]

Well mates, I think I haven't really uploaded all of the "arsenal" I have developed over the years yet.

I have been studying this game first along with dealer friend and then by myself since past millenium, believe there are many unpublished ways down my notes (and I mean the actual number-filled physical notebooks at home!)

I'm motivated to gather them and post online in order to motivate the website to continue its existence as my contribution to sponsor-only area.

Also systems I have obtained by 1 on 1 chat from people like Simon Basi and also the whole spanish crew knowledge. It can help join two communities and perpetuate our beloved website. I already have the administration of ForoDeRuleta.com (which is the roughly equivalent to RouletteForum.com) and it is to be kept clean form ads with the condition of best posts and systems being translated as a contribution from the spanish scene to us.

Anyway, there are many ways to grind, I have a few which work well without any human intervention and are viable given there aren't huge deviations against on every session (i.e. very unlucky player). They are intended for the average player. Those lucky enough to have positive deviations do not need anything else than laying chips on whatever numbers they wish to win.

It is bill paying time for the forum and a little motivation to join won't hurt.

Anyway, conscious pluscoup simply means to adjust the "coup" acording to the deficit. i.e. specific to the march, when betting two dozens and your next bet according to the pluscoup is 7 and you are -5 deficit, you lower it down to 5. Or if you are betting 1 dozen, then divide deficit / 2, round it, and that's what you lay for next spin. In the case of a -5 deficit, you do 5 / 2 = 2,5, you round it to 3 units and that's what you bet next.

Regards. Good times to come and may perpetuation for our website be a success
Victor

[atlantis]

Thank you Victor,

This is kinda what I've been doing in my testing of a similar idea...
Instead of dozen betting I am betting the LINES that encapsulate all the red odd numbers (10) and all of the black even numbers (10) + another 4 numbers.
In other words I am betting the LINES 1/6; 7/12; 19/24; 25/30 (24 numbers in total)

I start with a base betting unit of 0.5 units so my first bet is to bet these 4 lines @ 0.5
On a loss I increase the bets by 0.5 each time.

On a win, I check to see if any deficit. If none I restart the progression at first bet (4x0.5)
If there is a deficit I adjust (reduce) the stakes if at all possible so that if I gain a win on the next spin I will return to my previous highest recorded total (level) - otherwise I continue to bet with an extra 0.5 unit on each line....

I play to try and win 10 units. I play single 0 table and bet every spin.

My theory is that hits will come because there are more reds that are odd and more blacks that are even!?

Maybe with some stop/start rules and stoploss limit figure this can be made to be quite profitable with more winning sessions than losers

What you think?


Here is Spielbank Wiebaden Casino table 4 for yesterday 4/4/09

Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout

1,'26,Bet,2,3,-2,1,501,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
2,'30,Bet,2,3,-2,1,502,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
3,'9,Bet,2,3,-2,1,503,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
4,'15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,501,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
5,'27,Bet,4,6,-4,2,503,1 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
6,'5,Bet,2,3,-2,1,504,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
7,'35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
8,'6,Bet,4,6,-4,2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
9,'7,Bet,2,3,-2,1,505,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
10,'29,Bet,2,3,-2,1,506,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
11,'27,Bet,2,3,-2,1,507,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
12,'7,Bet,2,3,-2,1,508,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
13,'9,Bet,2,3,-2,1,509,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
14,'9,Bet,2,3,-2,1,510,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)


+10 achieved in 14 spins

A.

[lucky_strike]

Well i could see that you hade done it so good so i just add table= and /table with [ ] cheers

[table=]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout

1,'26,Bet,2,3,-2,1,501,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
2,'30,Bet,2,3,-2,1,502,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
3,'9,Bet,2,3,-2,1,503,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
4,'15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,501,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
5,'27,Bet,4,6,-4,2,503,1 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
6,'5,Bet,2,3,-2,1,504,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
7,'35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
8,'6,Bet,4,6,-4,2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
9,'7,Bet,2,3,-2,1,505,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
10,'29,Bet,2,3,-2,1,506,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
11,'27,Bet,2,3,-2,1,507,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
12,'7,Bet,2,3,-2,1,508,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
13,'9,Bet,2,3,-2,1,509,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)
14,'9,Bet,2,3,-2,1,510,.5 : Line(1-6),Line(7-12),Line(19-24),Line(25-30)

[/table]

LS

[vix]

Anyway, conscious pluscoup simply means to adjust the "coup" acording to the deficit.  I. e.  specific to the march, when betting two dozens and your next bet according to the pluscoup is 7 and you are -5 deficit, you lower it down to 5.  Or if you are betting 1 dozen, then divide deficit / 2, round it, and that's what you lay for next spin.  In the case of a -5 deficit, you do 5 / 2 = 2,5, you round it to 3 units and that's what you bet next.

Regards.  Good times to come and may perpetuation for our website be a success
Victor

Victor,
I'm still not sure what to do.  What is "coup", "pluscoup" and "deficit"?

I've tested a few sessions with what I thought was a pluscoup progression and have had pretty good results. 

Regards,
Vix

[VLSroulette]

Victor,

What is "coup", "pluscoup" and "deficit"?

Vix

Hello dear Vix,

The term "coup" in this case refers to the betting unit.

Pluscoup money management can be found here: The Pluscoup Progression

For calculation purposes, we consider "Deficit" anything below highest balance point at current session which has to be regained/recouped.

Example: you start with 200 units, went up to 245 and then lowered to 190. You calculate deficit (amount to regain) like: 245 - 190 = 55 units in deficit.

Hope it helps you.

Best regards,
Victor

[VLSroulette]

-