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My question to you guys, is he really dead or is it the media bullshitting.

Hes body was apparently dumped at sea where no one can witness this.
I think its a load of bullshit.

Would love to hear other views on this,
James.

He was a mass murderer. He didn't rate the dignity of a proper Muslim burial. In fact this will probably offend many Muslims from around the world that think that he was a mass murderer. The guy was a fundamentalist extremist. To pretend to accommodate them so as not to offend them is the bullshit. We know they will keep up with their fanaticism. We need to keep going after them. We just need to do it in a smart way. When these similar thinking people gather in large groups we should bomb them. That goes for where ever they pop up. If we get out of these Muslim countries with our large forces then we can target the Taliban and Al Qaeda by intelligence and cruse missiles. We need to terrorize them until they have had enough. Let them have Afghanistan. We can use it for target practice. It's time to make the Muslim world see what a real terrorist can do. We need to let them fall on their own swords. We have no allies in the Muslim world. It's time to write off that part of the world. Ronald Reagan stood up to the "Evil Empire." Wherever this fundamentalism blossoms we should kill it. They are the Evil Empire now. Let them fall.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 02, 2011, 07:43:39 PM
If we get out of these Muslim countries with our large forces then we can target the Taliban and Al Qaeda by intelligence and cruse missiles.

Yes, i totally agree on this. The US and UK government have never thought to do this. Why? is the question. We have been trying to beat the taliban for years now and its just not going anywere.

And i think it was a bad choice hanging Saddam Husain, because in my mind, it just makes matters worse.

The next one in line to be punished should be the one who was responsible  for the PAN AM flight which exploded over Scotland in 1988.............

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on May 02, 2011, 08:17:19 PM
The next one in line to be punished should be the one who was responsible  for the PAN AM flight which exploded over Scotland in 1988.............

I watched this on Aircrash investigation. Who was responsible for this?

The cat in Tripoli.

G'day,

The U.S.A. should start on Cuba, Burma (Myanmar), Zimbabwe, Iran & North Korea!

Sure, there's no oil or revenge motives at any of these, 'ONLY' civil rights violations.

Glenn.

Quote from: MiniBaccarat on May 02, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
G'day,

The U.S.A. should start on Cuba, Burma (Myanmar), Zimbabwe, Iran & North Korea!

Sure, there's no oil or revenge motives at any of these, 'ONLY' civil rights violations.

Glenn.

In my opinion North Korea is at the top of the list. If any one gets caught trying to escape from this country, they will be executed, along with all there Innocent family. Not only that, the government is a stupid hypocrite with cars and hookers.

Man, north Korea is brain washed. I would love to parchute into north Korea, but i would be shot down in an instant.

There also lots of concentration camps, Jesus. Problem is, north Korea forces are huge. Maybe one day we can stop the Communism in north Korea.

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on May 02, 2011, 08:24:30 PM
I watched this on Aircrash investigation. Who was responsible for this? 

Moammar Gadhafi admitted that he ordered that terrorism and that terrorist attack in Germany too. We know that he chickened out with his acquired from Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistani scientist, the number one black market proliferator of nuclear technology. Gadhafi already showed us what a Muslim extremist and terrorist thinks about force. These jerks react to superior force.

Quote from: MiniBaccarat on May 02, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
The U.S.A. should start on Cuba, Burma (Myanmar), Zimbabwe, Iran & North Korea!

We should starve North Korea.  That's all it would take to finish them off. We should drop a very large H-Bomb on Tehran, Iran. This should be done while all of them have their butts pointed to the sky and when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and all those ayatollahs are gathered there. We should just wait until Cuba turns away from Communism. Let's just let them suffer. Heck with the sick world of failed dictatorships. Let Europe pay to be the policeman of the world. Burma and Zimbabwe can suffer under their own tyranny.

QuoteHes body was apparently dumped at sea where no one can witness this.
I think its a load of bullshit.

That was my exact thought. The logic behind it was to comply with mulsim religion of burying the body within 48hrs or something. AS IF the usa would give a shit about that.

I dont buy it at all. The Bush family was in business with the Bin Laden family. Doesnt that seem odd? The USA president... and the world's most wanted terrorist IN BUSINESS? It is well documented. Most people so easily dismiss it.

Bush (puppet), his goons, and the CIA are just as accountable for 911 as Bin Laden. Sure bin laden organized 911, but he was not the major power behind it all. That came from somewhere within the USA.

While most people would have no idea about this all, just dig and find. What is going on is beyond appalling, beyond insane. Dont tell me I'm a conspiracy crackpot until you've actually done the research for yourself.

Real Muslims are against all violence. The so-called terrorists are extremists.

We are fed a load of SH*T from media owned and operated by corporations that benefit from war activity. Most people have no clue about this all and dismiss it as crackpot stuff. It is absolutely real. I can spend a lifetime trying to educate people, but it would be a wasted life because most people just wont get it, and probably dont want to.

The people controlling the planet think of us as stupid morons that deserve to be taken advantage of because we are just so dumb. And they are not far from right. As a population, we are blind moronsm ripe for the picking. They know that IF we want the truth, and fight for it, we will have it. From their view, it is not evil at all. It's like a chicken in a circle on the ground... that thinks the circle is a cage and cant get out. We know it can, but it is too stupid to know that. This is how they view us.

Quote from: Steve on May 02, 2011, 09:05:47 PM
Dont tell me I'm a conspiracy crackpot until you've actually done the research for yourself.

QuoteBernie LaPlante: You remember when I said how I was gonna explain about life, buddy? Well the thing about life is, it gets weird. People are always talking ya about truth. Everybody always knows what the truth is, like it was toilet paper or somethin', and they got a supply in the closet. But what you learn, as you get older, is there ain't no truth. All there is is bullshit, pardon my vulgarity here. Layers of it. One layer of bullshit on top of another. And what you do in life like when you get older is, you pick the layer of bullshit that you prefer and that's your bullshit, so to speak.

Bernie LaPlante speaking for himself (nolinks://nolinks.corporate-aliens.com/quotes/getquote.php?Bernie-LaPlante&quoteid=316)

There is only ever one truth. There is perception, but still only one truth.

But still, we may never KNOW anything. You may never even KNOW you physically exist. But considering all things, is it REASONABLE to believe certain things... beyond reasonable doubt? Yes it is.

Everyone decides for themself.

Here's a secret picture of the respectful send off for the mass murderer. No wonder Obama has kept these images incognito.

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fhome.earthlink.net%2F%7Egizmotron%2Fplymouth.jpg&hash=073298091ea24ad1984c89a50c6dac3eaaefd32c)

Geez, guys, relax. The only real question that matters is, was Bin Laden any good at roulette. I hear he sucked at it.

Screw him...

Quote from: cheese on May 03, 2011, 09:19:17 AM
Geez, guys, relax. The only real question that matters is, was Bin Laden any good at roulette. I hear he sucked at it.

Screw him...

No doubt that he probably called you to tell you that he was one of my students too.

Boy do you wilt when the attention is off of you. Remember to do something to get back in the room. Last time I checked all you have is your mouth and debating skills. You are short on evidence. But that's enough about you because your blood is flowing again. Tell us how wonderful Roulette is and how you are its greatest player in the entire history of the world.

I'm with Steve.  And Gizmo, really now, your solution is a little primitive and inarticulate, don't you think?  I think I heard you say that you want to defeat terrorists on their own terms.  Not a long term solution.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 03, 2011, 12:47:30 PM
No doubt that he probably called you to tell you that he was one of my students too.

HAHAH.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 02, 2011, 08:50:05 PM
Moammar Gadhafi admitted that he ordered that terrorism and that terrorist attack in Germany too. We know that he chickened out with his acquired from Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistani scientist, the number one black market proliferator of nuclear technology. Gadhafi already showed us what a Muslim extremist and terrorist thinks about force. These jerks react to superior force.

Do you think in anyway that Gadhafi had anything to do with 911? Granted Osma Binladen and G.Bush were behind it, but Gadhafi?

ReDsQuaD  ,

Yeah  the easter bunny and Santa Claus  are in cahoots  to  fool little children. You must be  some kind of  brainwashed Euroweene  to spread this  nonsense that  OBL and BUsh were in  concert with 9/11 .



N.D.

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on May 03, 2011, 05:18:12 PM
ReDsQuaD  ,

Yeah  the easter bunny and Santa Claus  are in cahoots  to  fool little children. You must be  some kind of  brainwashed Euroweene  to spread this  nonsense that  BLO and BUsh were in  concert with 9/11 .



N.D.

I am not here to spread anything. This is my opinion, and if I'm not mistaken, I'm not the only out there who shares the same belief that Bush had a part to play. I am not going to go into reasons on this forum. You can do your own research.

Believe it or not, but please do not insult my intelligence Nathen Detroit.
Euroweene? Just because I have a strong opinion about something rather serious, there is no need for name calling.

I could call you a number of names, but I am not immature enough to do it on a forum because I rather say it to your face.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther King Jr

Quote from: birdhands on May 03, 2011, 06:07:49 PM
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther King Jr

The kindest form of tough love you can do to the Muslim world is to exterminate the thugs that have hijacked their religion. Singing Kumbaya with these killers is just another insult to them. We learned how effective that was in the Vietnam war. Remember those crazy "rules of engagement?" All it succeeded in doing was to anger the North Vietnamese leaders. This is not hate. It's just being practical. They are at war against us, their own words. You are an ass kisser. You keep playing head games with yourself until you are happy with your enlightenment. It's just another way of going blind if you know what I mean.

QuoteYeah  the easter bunny and Santa Claus  are in cahoots  to  fool little children. You must be  some kind of  brainwashed Euroweene  to spread this  nonsense that  BLO and BUsh were in  concert with 9/11

Either we are stupid "conspiracy theorists", or you are in complete ignorance. Which one is it? I suggest actually do some research. I am not trying to offend you, but you really dont know what you are talking about. What is happening on the planet is a covert global tyranny, we we are slaves and most of us dont even know it. It has been going for a very long time.

Quote"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther King Jr

ABSOLUTELY. When I saw people celebrating the alleged death of bin laden, I just thought:

* these people dont know who was really behind it all. if they were told, they wouldnt believe it
* there should not be celebration. This only means escalation of conflict
* real justice has not been done, because the main people responsible arent even in the spotlight

After michael moor's release of farenheit 911, I was wondering if the american people would re-elect bush. I figured if they did, collectively it shows how stupid people are. Well, he was re-elected. The people that know bush, his family, their policies etc knew what was coming, and it came - war. Modern wars are not meant to be won - they are meant to be sustained. They are profitable, for companies like Halliburton, and who was the CEO of it? Mr Cheney. Not to mention, terrorist activity causes fear, and fear causes people to give up liberties, like consitutional law. Bush obliterated it in the name of national security.

Ben Franklin said "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - people like Bush know this. That's why the fear is created. The CIA (Seeing Eye A) is the biggest terrorist there is.

So let's look at two facts:

1. One of the companies that profited most from war in iraq / afghanistan is Halliburton, and the CEO was Dick Cheney, the Secretay of Defense? Hmm.

2. The bush family was/is literally in business with the bin laden family.

I mean WTF???? That is just the tip of the iceberg. WAKE UP!!!

But sadly, like I said before, people can spend a whole life trying to enlighten ignorant people. Some just wont learn because they dont care or want to know the truth, or are just wilfully ignorant. Over the nex few years, there will be some major things happening. Both good and bad.

The people that control the planet presently know us as a civilization are going to be changing for the better from a spiritual and technological position. It will lead to a greater sense of self (consciousness) and the only way for the elite to maintain control is to take serious action. They will never give up what they have. But we gave it to them, and currently still do. FEAR is how they get things done, and that comes by getting extremist groups to do things to scare people (terrorism), and the CIA gets to pretend they had nothing to do with it. Understand this is not exactly the government doing this, and not exactly corruption... yes some of them are in government positions, but we are talking about an underground society of the elite who care only for themselves.

Quote from: Steve on May 03, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
But sadly, like I said before, people can spend a whole life trying to enlighten ignorant people. Some just wont learn because they dont care or want to know the truth, or are just wilfully ignorant.

That's the very reason i did not go into the facts. I don't have the time to mess around when i know it won't change there opinion.

You worded some facts brilliantly there Steve. But i still know it wont get through to air minded people like Nathen.

I say is often: my pet hate is ignorance. I see it everywhere and about just about everything. Tesla even wrote a paper called "the problem of increasing human energy" where he explains ignorance is one of the greatest umm t**d in the way of progress:

Of all the frictional resistances, the one that most retards human movement is ignorance, what Buddha called 'the greatest evil in the world.' The friction which results from ignorance ... can be reduced only by the spread of knowledge and the unification of the heterogeneous elements of humanity. No effort could be better spent.
— Nikola Tesla

I waste way too much time on ignorant people. Their stupidity frustrates me. Like someone walking into a wall... "ouch, ouch".. and you steer them the right way,... and they go back again, "ouch, ouch". They are everywhere. One of my biggest problem is learning to just say "screw em". It's called "beating a dead horse" - just a waste of energy.

Quote from: Steve on May 03, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
After michael moor's release of farenheit 911, I was wondering if the american people would re-elect bush.

With facts like that how could you possibly go wrong? Michael Moore, what a patriot he has become. Yes Steve, you do have a world to enlighten. Good luck with that.

Consider the two facts I highlighted. They are well established facts. If that doesn't lead you to find out more for yourself, or if you dont see anything wrong with those facts.. so be it.

Michael Moore may appear to be a fat weasel, but perhaps check the facts he establishes for yourself before passing judgement.

Quote from: Steve on May 03, 2011, 10:15:07 PM
Consider the two facts I highlighted. They are well established facts. If that doesn't lead you to find out more for yourself, or if you dont see anything wrong with those facts.. so be it.

Michael Moore may appear to be a fat weasel, but perhaps check the facts he establishes for yourself before passing judgement.

1. One of the companies that profited most from war in iraq / afghanistan is Halliburton, and the CEO was Dick Cheney, the Secretay of Defense? Hmm.

2. The bush family was/is literally in business with the bin laden family.

Well you have the biggest story since impeaching presidents. It's against the law for Cheney to profit from war while holding office. He has to separate all his holdings before taking office. So your facts are the grounds for impeachment. So why didn't that happen? You got facts for that oversight?

As far as your number two fact. I heard a rumor that they actually traded money for making trades on oil. Imagine that. They had oil and we needed oil. They got paid money to buy and sell oil. How evil can a person get? They had the gall to go out and make money.

Steve, you are a fundamentalist extremist. Your jihad is a bucket of facts that are laughable and kookish. People that peddle that stuff depend on gullible people like you to buy it. You are somebody's sucker. I'll bet you believe in global warming too.

1. Global warning actually is happening, but nowhere near to the degree that some people claim. It is relatively insignificant, and being used to help keep people under control. Much, much more significant is the earth's changing magnetic field. Many more earthquakes and strange behavior of the planet real soon. Oh wait, I'm just somebody's sucker. Or perhaps I do my own research, for myself.

2. Cheney sold about $36M in stock and severed "official" ties with Halliburton before his political position. If you think there aren't ever "under the table" deals, perhaps you are being a little naive? Cheney has present ties, official or not, with that company. And how amazingly they have made a fortune from the war. War on what? Where are the WMDs? It is all bullshit. nolinks://nolinks.rense.com/general29/dbus.htm (nolinks://nolinks.rense.com/general29/dbus.htm)

3. See nolinks://nolinks.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/09_18_01_bushbin.html (nolinks://nolinks.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/09_18_01_bushbin.html) among many other resources. Then verify the facts for yourself.

Also have a good look at nolinks://nolinks.informationclearinghouse.info/article3309.htm (nolinks://nolinks.informationclearinghouse.info/article3309.htm) . . . . or switch to the Fox channel. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO OR WHAT THE CARLYLE GROUP ARE?

QuoteSteve, you are a fundamentalist extremist

Why dont you flat out call me a TERRORIST? That's just the kind of attitude the Fox network aspires you to have. At least I know where you get YOUR information. You dont know it yet, but you appear to be the ideal mental clone the elite want, beliving what you are fed, and attempting to ostracize people that are awake.

Gizmo, I really cant be bothered. It is nothing personal. Just wasting more of my time but by all means have your say. But believe me when I say that one day you will see for yourself, and kick yourself for not seeing it earlier.

WHO IS JOHN GALT ?

Gizmotron. Let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of a top secret organisation named "Fema" ?

Quote from: Steve on May 03, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
So let's look at two facts:

1. One of the companies that profited most from war in iraq / afghanistan is Halliburton, and the CEO was Dick Cheney, the Secretay of Defense? Hmm.

2. The bush family was/is literally in business with the bin laden family.

It's a big jump from these facts to a belief that 9/11 was deliberately perpetrated or known about in advance by the U.S. Government. Many individuals profit from wars but that in itself is no evidence that they are implicated in a conspiracy. The Bush family apparently had links with the Nazis, does that mean they're responsible for WWII?

Come off it Steve, give us a break.  :o

You say do your own research, but you can dig out all sorts of conspiracy garbage if you're determined to find it, and in almost every case there is no smoking gun, only speculation.

Quote from: Steve on May 03, 2011, 11:22:07 PM
1. Global warning actually is happening, but nowhere near to the degree that some people claim. It is relatively insignificant, and being used to help keep people under control. Much, much more significant is the earth's changing magnetic field. Many more earthquakes and strange behavior of the planet real soon. Oh wait, I'm just somebody's sucker. Or perhaps I do my own research, for myself.

Steve, the relative effects of global warming vs changing magnetic field are the reverse of what you claim, according to all the evidence.

nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080630-earth-core.html (nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080630-earth-core.html)

Quote"It is in this region that the shielding effect of the magnetic field is severely reduced, thus allowing high energy particles of the hard radiation belt to penetrate deep into the upper atmosphere to altitudes below a hundred kilometers (62 miles)," Mandea said.

This radiation does not influence temperatures on Earth. The particles, however, do affect technical and radio equipment and can damage electronic equipment on satellites and airplanes, Olsen of the Danish space center said.

The effects of global warming, on the other hand, are hardly "insignificant". Just look at any reputable science site (such as sciencedaily) for evidence.

From wikipedia:

QuoteIn terrestrial ecosystems, the earlier timing of spring events, and poleward and upward shifts in plant and animal ranges, have been linked with high confidence to recent warming.[18] Future climate change is expected to particularly affect certain ecosystems, including tundra, mangroves, and coral reefs.[91] It is expected that most ecosystems will be affected by higher atmospheric CO2 levels, combined with higher global temperatures.[94] Overall, it is expected that climate change will result in the extinction of many species and reduced diversity of ecosystems.[95]

QuoteSteve, you are a fundamentalist extremist

Quote from: Steve on May 03, 2011, 11:22:07 PM
Why dont you flat out call me a TERRORIST? That's just the kind of attitude the Fox network aspires you to have. At least I know where you get YOUR information. You dont know it yet, but you appear to be the ideal mental clone the elite want, beliving what you are fed, and attempting to ostracize people that are awake.

Gizmo, I really cant be bothered. It is nothing personal. Just wasting more of my time but by all means have your say. But believe me when I say that one day you will see for yourself, and kick yourself for not seeing it earlier.

Here's how the real world works Steve. When you first start looking into the world of politics you eventually discover that you have been lied to. At that point you do one of two things. You decide that you where too smart to be lied to and you react angry and cynical about those that told you the lies. So you latch on to the first thing that makes sense. But what some people fail to do. They fail to find out what the truth is so that they can't be lied to anymore. They take the easy way out and buy into a  new set of conspiracy theories that explains how the truth was never really the truth. In a way they buy into a world of their own. So nothing has changed for them. They can still be lied to without ever knowing it. They even get defensive over it. They latch on to their own peculiar truth. They don't know it too. They are blind to the full spectrum of real facts and truth. But that never stops them from sharing their weird set of facts. And their strange set of excuses. What's even worse is these people still vote.

I'm saying that you have failed to look at all the facts and all the opinions before considering who it is that is really lying. Being upset about Cheney is so out of any mainstream thought that it automatically self qualifies you as fringe. It's not reality, it's just a story that pleases you. Cheney has moved on. Bashing Bush is past tense. Moore is a user that sucks people in. He's now a multi millionaire. Go figure.

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on May 04, 2011, 08:56:29 AM
Gizmotron. Let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of a top secret organisation named "Fema" ?

Yes, that's the bozos that were never first responders but get the blame anyway. Those are the people that purchased cheaply manufactured RV trailers that were uninhabitable because of too much formaldehyde in all the parts used to construct them. Typical government waste. But that's not it is it? You mean the secret concentration camps all ready set up to place the enlightened ones, such as yourself, into. You know who you are. We do to. KOOKs in camps, good idea. FEMA Camps, your next great vacation spot. Wait, I've got it. FEMA Casinos...

nolinks://nolinks.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm (nolinks://nolinks.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm)

The Extortion System of the Ruling Elite

Gizmo,


ROFLMAO !! Great  reply.Especially the link . That should keep them Kooks  busy  for a while.

That's KOOK's, Keepers Of Odd Knowledge.

you must be ready for anything. people are trying to overthrow our system which is not perfect. but it is the best system in the world.  if these people succeed you will have no freedom. of course we are all out for ourselves.
good luck. and keep a low profile. your name might be on the list,

It is interesting how people twist OBSCURE facts and make them into whatever suits their current beliefs. It is counterproductive to have a closed mind. It is better to actually look for the truth, and welcome new beliefs, because it is progress towards truth. Without truth, you cant hope to progress.


1.  I have never referred to any Nazi or distant connection. I am talking about here and now, in this lifetime. Mike, read what I wrote. I gave two very simple points, thinking anyone would at the very people could verify it, then when they see it's the truth, they'd at the very least be a little suspicious.

a. One of the companies that profited most from war in iraq / afghanistan is Halliburton, and the CEO was Dick Cheney, the Secretay of Defense? Hmm.

b. The bush family was/is literally in business with the bin laden family.

There is so much more information to look at, but why overwhelm people with information when they struggle with simple things. But here's another one for you... James R Bath. See nolinks://nolinks.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5446102 (nolinks://nolinks.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5446102)

These are not obscure references. They are direct links, in this lifetime. I know I'm beating a dead horse here again though.


2. CO2 is natural. A singe volcano erruption can release more CO2 that every vehicle can. The cutting down of forests has far more of an impact on global changes such as global warming. Like I said, global warming is happening, but to nowhere near the extent most of us are led to believe. Whatever the case, it is being used as an EXCUSE to implement adverse policies, like additional taxes. Once in Australia they tried to implement a FART TAX for farmers who have cows.

3. The poles of the planet do reverse. That is not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about major changes in strength of magnetic fields, and restructuring of the actual fields. This is what is causing the erratic weather, tsunamis, earth quakes etc. Nobody yet knows what is changing the magnetic fields.

QuoteHere's how the real world works Steve. When you first start looking into the world of politics you eventually discover that you have been lied to. At that point you do one of two things. You decide that you where too smart to be lied to and you react angry and cynical about those that told you the lies. So you latch on to the first thing that makes sense.

Your world is different to mine. I maintain an open mind, try to keep my emotions and knee-jerk reactions out of it, and look at what others say with their evidence, check evidence for myself, find whatever information of my own I can, put it together and make my own mind up.

QuoteI'm saying that you have failed to look at all the facts and all the opinions before considering who it is that is really lying. Being upset about Cheney is so out of any mainstream thought that it automatically self qualifies you as fringe. It's not reality, it's just a story that pleases you. Cheney has moved on. Bashing Bush is past tense. Moore is a user that sucks people in. He's now a multi millionaire. Go figure.

Moore's wealth is irrelevant. Cheney's and Bush's wealth IS relevant, because of where it came from.

Time always reveals the truth. By the time some of you realize it, it will probably be too late.

Believe me when I say that when the elite are forced to (in order to keep their power), they will activate a plan that ultimately creates fear and panic. That is what FEMA is for. Martial law is their "backup plan" for when they are about to lose control. And it will happen, because more of us are becoming aware of who is running the planet, and what they are doing. What will happen? Well whatever it is, it sure wont LOOK like it came from the elite. Be it manufactured viruses, stages terrorist attacks (even nuclear), more earthquakes and natural disasters (perhaps by HAARP, which has an awfully lot of power consumption for weather research).... the effect is the same. Chaos and fear. It is coming extremely soon. The 2012 is a planet allignment. It does not mark the "end of the world" as some people think. It is the opposite end of a 20,000 year cycle in the Myan calendar, the opposite of the golden age. Call it the sh*t age, when things are at the worst. And about this time is when society will go through major advancements, for the better. But it will not be pretty during the changes, and they will not be sudden.

There is just so much some of you are oblivious to. I do not want to argue with you. Just wait and see. Things are going to get much worse before they get better, within anywhere from now to the next 10 years. As I've said many times before, truth always wins, eventually. I expect the next natural distaster will be within a month or so - really could be any day now. Just observe.

Steve, that was an articulate and cogent argument. You have not failed in communicating your genuine concern. Here is my obvious conclusion for me from all that. You are the target of the FEMA concentration camps, not me. I'm part of the vast right wing conspiracy. If you run to ground as a survivalist then you are bunkered down. You have done nothing that will stop it. You are not organized to defeat it. You will whither on the vine. That does not mean that I want to help gather offenders into camps. After all, somebody will need to be on the outside in order to have others on the inside. The trickiest move is to blend into the surrounding environment that works. Fear of a future disaster is a complete waste of life. It almost always makes people make choices that waste time. And a lifespan is already short enough.

QuoteFear of a future disaster is a complete waste of life.

Living in any fear is a wasted life. And living as a slave is a wasted life too. It comes down personal choice, and mine is: give me freedom or put a bullet in my head. Whether or not it will get to that kind of extreme, who knows. But that's what I'm prepared for. The end outcome is the tyranny will not last. There will be too many people who stand up. What happens between now and then is anybody's guess, but certainly it wont be pretty.

As for me and FEMA, that is more a USA thing. Australia is never far behind though. The only way they can get people to submit to the tyranny is manipulation and fear - so cooperation is willing, not forced. It is not effective to keep prisoners and slaves if they KNOW what they are. I am a non-violent person. Most people with views such as mine are the same. If they drag me kicking and screaming, so be it. But I have no intention of being held a prisoner. The end game for all of this will not be violence. It will be simple truth, and "critical mass" which is enough people waking up. When that happens, they would need to wipe out large parts of the population. Will they do this? Well they are certainly capable of doing it, physically and mentally. Who knows what will happen. But I am 100% confident of the end result, whether or not I'm around to see it.

The radical Communist activists here in America have openly stated that they will need to kill at least 25,000,000 as a means to their ends. That's a published, and video taped fact. They are organized. We won't allow that. If killing is what it takes then we will kill. Our President is one of them. He thinks his Saul Alinsky community organizing is under the RADAR. It's not. I don't care about keeping Communists alive.

For those interested in Osama and the related, see nolinks://nolinks.opposingviews.com/I/why-osama-bin-laden-dead-is-a-government-lie (nolinks://nolinks.opposingviews.com/I/why-osama-bin-laden-dead-is-a-government-lie) - a very good read. Then check the evidence for yourself. Also note the attacks / comments against him, which are such typical responses from people with very limited vision.

Also Gizmo I have no doubt many people and groups are capable of killing that many people (and more), mentally and physically capable.

When people find out who the real terrorists are, the armed forces and police will do their duty. The problem is at this stage, soldiers follow orders rather than the constitution, and they are trained not to judge and ask questions. An effective military needs to be this way. So it's a bit of a paradox. What happens when some soldiers see the real terrorists, and some don't? Civil war. It will probably come to this in the USA at least. There will be the usual demonbstrations etc etc that rarely achieve anything. In the end, "critical mass" needs to happen, where enugh people see it, then the power we as a whole gave the elite will not exist anymore.

Quote from: Steve on May 04, 2011, 08:42:24 PM
It is interesting how people twist OBSCURE facts and make them into whatever suits their current beliefs. It is counterproductive to have a closed mind. It is better to actually look for the truth, and welcome new beliefs, because it is progress towards truth. Without truth, you cant hope to progress.

1.  I have never referred to any Nazi or distant connection. I am talking about here and now, in this lifetime. Mike, read what I wrote. I gave two very simple points, thinking anyone would at the very people could verify it, then when they see it's the truth, they'd at the very least be a little suspicious.

a. One of the companies that profited most from war in iraq / afghanistan is Halliburton, and the CEO was Dick Cheney, the Secretay of Defense? Hmm.

b. The bush family was/is literally in business with the bin laden family.

There is so much more information to look at, but why overwhelm people with information when they struggle with simple things. But here's another one for you... James R Bath. See nolinks://nolinks.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5446102 (nolinks://nolinks.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5446102)

These are not obscure references. They are direct links, in this lifetime. I know I'm beating a dead horse here again though.

I don't know what you're talking about in your first paragraph, my point about the nazis was only an analogy for what you're suggesting - that Bush and Cheney had dubious associations THEREFORE they must have been instigators of the war in Iraq - isn't that what you were implying?

I'm saying that isn't hard enough evidence, you seem to have made up your mind on it though. And spare me the patronizing lectures; a pretty straightforward case of pot calling the kettle black. You've already made up your mind and and this directs your attention to only those articles or "evidence" which confirms your belief. This is  a well-known fallacy and is called "confirmation bias".

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Quote from: Steve on May 04, 2011, 08:42:24 PM
2. CO2 is natural. A singe volcano erruption can release more CO2 that every vehicle can. The cutting down of forests has far more of an impact on global changes such as global warming. Like I said, global warming is happening, but to nowhere near the extent most of us are led to believe. Whatever the case, it is being used as an EXCUSE to implement adverse policies, like additional taxes. Once in Australia they tried to implement a FART TAX for farmers who have cows.

3. The poles of the planet do reverse. That is not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about major changes in strength of magnetic fields, and restructuring of the actual fields. This is what is causing the erratic weather, tsunamis, earth quakes etc. Nobody yet knows what is changing the magnetic fields.

Steve, you said in your first post that -

QuoteMuch, much more significant is the earth's changing magnetic field. Many more earthquakes and strange behavior of the planet real soon.

It seems pretty clear to me that you're claiming that the changing magnetic field is a much more serious threat than global warming (which according to you is "relatively insignificant"), and yet I can't find any info which backs up this claim. As I said in my previous post, I found the reverse. How do you know that the changes in the magnetic fields are causing tsunamis and earthquakes? (actually, I thought earthquakes caused tsunamis, so I think we can rule out that the magnetic field is causing tsunamis).

I did find one site which says there is no link though -

nolinks://blogstronomy.blogspot.com/2011/03/are-recent-earthquakes-caused-by.html (nolinks://blogstronomy.blogspot.com/2011/03/are-recent-earthquakes-caused-by.html)

QuoteThe important thing, with regards to this post, is that along with these records of magnetic field changes far, far greater than anything we're experiencing now, there is absolutely no convincing evidence to be found that these shifts had any kind of effect on either tectonic activity (earthquakes, volcanoes and the like) or the ability of animals at the time to stay alive (i.e. mass extinctions, etc).

Quote from: Mike on May 05, 2011, 05:26:53 AM
It seems pretty clear to me that you're claiming that the changing magnetic field is a much more serious threat than global warming (which according to you is "relatively insignificant"), and yet I can't find any info which backs up this claim. As I said in my previous post, I found the reverse. How do you know that the changes in the magnetic fields are causing tsunamis and earthquakes? (actually, I thought earthquakes caused tsunamis, so I think we can rule out that the magnetic field is causing tsunamis).

("Beware of the next big scary thing: Wobble Globing.") 

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 05, 2011, 10:43:03 AM
("Beware of the next big scary thing: Wobble Globing.")  

Stars wobble, not planets.


BTW, did anyone notice how happy the child looks in my previous post, this thread?

About to get pulverised yet as happy as a pig in mud. ;D

Quote from: bombus on May 05, 2011, 10:53:55 AM
Stars wobble, not planets.

I guess Earth is a star. It wobbles. It's just not fast enough to spill the milk though. But that's OK. It's baloney that it will just start wobbling soon.  That's the point. Global Warming made Al Gore a billionaire. Someone needs to get this ball rolling, pun intended.

"The cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis states that there have been geologically rapid shifts in the relative positions of the modern-day geographic locations of the poles and the axis of rotation of the Earth, creating calamities such as floods and tectonic events.

No form of the hypothesis is accepted amongst the scientific community. There is evidence of precession and changes in axial tilt, but this change is on much longer time-scales and does not involve relative motion of the spin axis with respect to the planet. However, in what is known as true polar wander, the solid Earth can rotate with respect to a fixed spin axis. Research shows that during the last 200 million years a total true polar wander of some 30° has occurred, but that no super-rapid shifts in the Earth's pole were found during this period."

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 05, 2011, 11:32:51 AM
I guess Earth is a star. It wobbles. It's just not fast enough to spill the milk though. But that's OK. It's baloney that it will just start wobbling soon.  That's the point. Global Warming made Al Gore a billionaire. Someone needs to get this ball rolling, pun intended.

"The cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis states that there have been geologically rapid shifts in the relative positions of the modern-day geographic locations of the poles and the axis of rotation of the Earth, creating calamities such as floods and tectonic events.

No form of the hypothesis is accepted amongst the scientific community. There is evidence of precession and changes in axial tilt, but this change is on much longer time-scales and does not involve relative motion of the spin axis with respect to the planet. However, in what is known as true polar wander, the solid Earth can rotate with respect to a fixed spin axis. Research shows that during the last 200 million years a total true polar wander of some 30° has occurred, but that no super-rapid shifts in the Earth's pole were found during this period."

And if all this awesome planetary 'confabulation is true'(oxymoron), then why the f*ck are we all so razzed up about some wannabe camel jockey getting shot in the scone by a bunch of wannabe cowboys?

Quote from: bombus on May 05, 2011, 12:02:42 PM
And if all this awesome planetary 'confabulation is true'(oxymoron), then why the f*ck are we all so razzed up about some wannabe camel jockey getting shot in the scone by a bunch of wannabe cowboys?

OK, conspiracy freakazoids, dig this:

Obama does this: Pan Am Flight 103, The US government secretly advised Scottish ministers it would be "far preferable" to free the Lockerbie bomber than jail him in Libya.

So he gets "and was reported to have been granted compassionate release on the basis that he had terminal prostate cancer."

Look what ended up happening. He was not fatally ill. He's now a hero back in his own country.


That was a monumental screwup. Killing Usama bin Laden was the right thing to do.

Quote from: bombus on May 05, 2011, 12:02:42 PM
And if all this awesome planetary 'confabulation is true'(oxymoron), then why the f*ck are we all so razzed up about some wannabe camel jockey getting shot in the scone by a bunch of wannabe cowboys?

Exactly, Bombus.  ;D

Why can't the underground elite who are "controlling the planet" do something about it?  :D

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BBC: al Qaeda Does Not Exist (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk#)

I just love Monty Python, here's some more

War of the Worlds (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl_J4J2mQpQ#)

QuoteI don't know what you're talking about in your first paragraph, my point about the nazis was only an analogy for what you're suggesting - that Bush and Cheney had dubious associations THEREFORE they must have been instigators of the war in Iraq - isn't that what you were implying?

ABSOLUTELY. Beyond any reasonable doubt, they both would have made enormous profits from the war. And there are definite connections between the Bush and Bin Laden families. RESEARCH IT. It is very clear. Is it strange Bush's air force buddy James Bath was the financial advisor for the Bin Laden family? Is it coincidence that Bush's oil company Arbusto was financed by the Bin Laden family? I am not meaning to sound condecending, but you dont know what you are talking about.

QuoteI'm saying that isn't hard enough evidence, you seem to have made up your mind on it though. And spare me the patronizing lectures; a pretty straightforward case of pot calling the kettle black. You've already made up your mind and and this directs your attention to only those articles or "evidence" which confirms your belief. This is  a well-known fallacy and is called "confirmation bias".

That is your opinion. I for one find it a tad suspicious that president at the time was literally in business with the world's most wanted terrorist. Who knows, maybe it's just my "confirmation bias". Maybe I'm like real dumb. BUT HEY, THIS IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERB. The fact that you are trying to refute this stuff  makes it very clear you lack the knowledge. Learn, then you will feel differently.

QuoteIt seems pretty clear to me that you're claiming that the changing magnetic field is a much more serious threat than global warming (which according to you is "relatively insignificant"), and yet I can't find any info which backs up this claim. As I said in my previous post, I found the reverse. How do you know that the changes in the magnetic fields are causing tsunamis and earthquakes? (actually, I thought earthquakes caused tsunamis, so I think we can rule out that the magnetic field is causing tsunamis).

Yes magnetic field changes are far more serious than global warming. If you found the reverse, you dont know better.

When the magnetic field of an enormoous sphere is changed, and the enormous plates are affected by the field because of a change of spin, the plates will shift more - their trajectory is changed and there is less equilibrium. It's like smashed glass in a bottle of water. Spin is around in a state of balance, and the shards will be relatively uniformed. But shift the axis of rotation, and the shards will move. aka earthquakes. See nolinks://nolinks.physorg.com/news/2011-01-tampa-airport-runways-renumbered-due.html (nolinks://nolinks.physorg.com/news/2011-01-tampa-airport-runways-renumbered-due.html) but there is so much more, although sorry I really dont have time to educate you. What would a 10 degree shift do to such a huge object such as earth? I suppose you think it would all be hunky dory with no significant changes in plates? The shifts are natural, but considering we are approaching a major planetary allignment of 2012, things dont look good from a "natural distaster" perspective.  Keep in mind it is a one in 26,000 year cycle with a very unusual planetary allignment. I'm not talking about astrology and all that stuff. I'm talking about gravity and planet allignment.

Additionally, the magnetic fields are weakening and we dont know why. The magnetic field is what protects us from solar winds that would normally fry earth.

Yes earthquakes cause tsunamis.

QuoteBTW, did anyone notice how happy the child looks in my previous post, this thread?

Yes and it is trick photography. The kung fu dude is glued to the ceiling, and the kid is experiencing static electricity.

QuoteI guess Earth is a star. It wobbles.

Earth is NOT a ball of gas, drawing in due to gravity and pushing out because of fusion.

Earth does wobble though. It happens a few times a year I think it was.

This thread is a waste of time and it is going in circles. All the information you need is already available. everyone can make up thier own mind. I wont waste more time arguing.

ps geoff365, funny video.

Also see Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist (Documentary) - 1 (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=ek7ZHenQnu4#)  .... follow the trail. Learn.

Kung fu dude glued to the ceiling?  No way!

It's true. See attached photo before edit..

More for you:

nolinks://nolinks.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html (nolinks://nolinks.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html)
Fox news sometimes slips up!

And see attached image. Does anyone see any conflicting information with what the "whitehouse" says?

I really need to let it rest and let everyone just research and decide for themselves.

Quote from: Steve on May 05, 2011, 08:54:23 PM
ABSOLUTELY. Beyond any reasonable doubt, they both would have made enormous profits from the war. And there are definite connections between the Bush and Bin Laden families. RESEARCH IT. It is very clear. Is it strange Bush's air force buddy James Bath was the financial advisor for the Bin Laden family? Is it coincidence that Bush's oil company Arbusto was financed by the Bin Laden family? I am not meaning to sound condecending, but you dont know what you are talking about.

That is your opinion. I for one find it a tad suspicious that president at the time was literally in business with the world's most wanted terrorist. Who knows, maybe it's just my "confirmation bias". Maybe I'm like real dumb. BUT HEY, THIS IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERB. The fact that you are trying to refute this stuff  makes it very clear you lack the knowledge. Learn, then you will feel differently.

Steve, as I said in a previous post, I'm not disputing the connection between Bush and Bin Laden, nor the potential for profit going to Bush & Cheney. My point was that these alone are not sufficiently strong evidence to conclude that the whole thing was a set-up or conspiracy.

This has been done to death over and over and is listed as one of the top 10 "wild" conspiracy theories. When you take into account ALL the evidence it just doesn't stack up. I'm not really interested in doing any more research and consider the matter closed unless or until any further evidence comes to light.

I'm more interested in your theory regarding changes in the Earth's magnetic field and how it's apparently causing (among other things) earthquakes.

Like I said, I haven't found any reputable sites where this is backed up. Can you point me to any?

Apparently 2012 is supposed to be doomsday, but there is not the slightest indication from the scientific community that anything out of the ordinary is going to happen next year.  Still, there's an awful lot of money to be made by claiming otherwise...

How many doomsday predictions have there been? and how many have come true?

NONE.

every day is a gamble. we know not the minute or the hour. pleasant dreams. :diablo:

QuoteI'm not really interested in doing any more research and consider the matter closed unless or until any further evidence comes to light.

Like I said, I just provided two points, to keep it simple. It is beyond "strange" than bin laden and bush families are in business. If you dont want to do more research, you simply wont find it.

2012 is not a doomsday - read what I wrote.

Either way you do or dont research. You said you dont want to. Case closed.

Ok Steve, you'll just have to dismiss me as a closed-minded fool with his head in the sand. But like I said, I'm more interested in the magnetic field thing - can you give me any links where I can read up on this? I haven't been able to find any.  :-\

QuoteOk Steve, you'll just have to dismiss me as a closed-minded fool with his head in the sand.

You are the one who said: "I'm not really interested in doing any more research and consider the matter closed unless or until any further evidence comes to light."

And I'm telling you there is ample information out there. But if you dont want to look, how can you expect to find it? You appear to be someone who just reads whatever is put front of you, and from that alone you form opinions.

Same with the magnetic field. I'm not a research assistant but start with nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html (nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html) but there is so much more. Some of the info there is not accurate though.

Quote from: Steve on May 10, 2011, 08:36:15 PM
And I'm telling you there is ample information out there. But if you dont want to look, how can you expect to find it? You appear to be someone who just reads whatever is put front of you, and from that alone you form opinions.

Not at all. There is a ton of info on various 9/11 conspiracies and I've read much of it in the past. The wikipedia article is a good place to start - nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories)
The point is, having done the reading, I've decided that there is no hard evidence of what you're claiming, and evidently the authorities agree with me. But to someone like you who are convinced otherwise, this latter fact is more "proof" that there was a conspiracy!  :girl_wacko:

There's no point in trying to convince the paranoid - by definition they won't accept evidence or alternative explanations which refute their beliefs. That's not to say conspiracies don't exist; of course they do, but you have to look at each case on its merits, and the various 9/11 conspiracies are found wanting.

Quote from: Steve on May 10, 2011, 08:36:15 PM
Same with the magnetic field. I'm not a research assistant but start with nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html (nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html) but there is so much more. Some of the info there is not accurate though.

Once again, I'm not denying that the magnetic field is changing, only your claim that it's causing all kinds of natural events including earthquakes. There is nothing I've found from any reputable source which suggests that there is a link. Even if there was a link, it may not show that the changing field is a cause of the earthquakes. Correlation does not imply causation as any scientist will tell you.

One day you will know that today, you didnt know better. I have nothing more to say to you.

4 reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories:

    * patternicity, or a tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise;
    * agenticity, or the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agent;
    * confirmation bias, or the seeking and finding of confirmatory evidence for what we already believe;
    * hindsight bias, or tailoring after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened.

nolinks://nolinks.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762 (nolinks://nolinks.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762)

Mike, you just really have no idea. People like you always amaze me.

Steve, it's simple. All the evidence which to you makes the truth of the conspiracy obvious is only circumstantial. You appear to lack critical thinking skills and are not taking into account the big picture but only taking bits out of context which fit with your preconceptions. In your world, the common sense of the layman trumps that of experts, and that is a pretty arrogant attitude when you think about it and is evident from your replies.

nolinks://nolinks.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html (nolinks://nolinks.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html)

Headline from DRUDGE report


Son says bin Laden sea burial demeans family...

May sue USA...


This  bastard of a mass murderer  got more than he was entitled to. For many of the  WTC victiims it was not possible to get a burial. Their remains  have never  been found.


So you ( expletive  deleted )   bleeding hearts  :SHUT UP!

Mike, it is easy to have an opinion such as yours when you lack the foresight to see relevant and critical information, when it is under a mountain of trash. Sorry, did you expect everything to be truth out there? Or is it more realistic that there will be trash mixed in with truth? You take the trash, and throw it out with everything else and thats partly why you arent learning.

You think it is mere coincidence that the president at the time was in business with the USA's most wanted "terrorist". You think it's coincidence that sec. of defense was CEO of the company that probably profits most from the "war on terror". You think it's coincidence that James Bath, Bush's air force buddy was the financial controller for the Bin Laden family. You think that Saddam really had WMDs in Iraq and the US's involvement in Iraq is really about "iraqi freedom"?? You really think the Allied involvement in Afghanistan is about finding Bin Laden and a bunch of Boogeymen, rather than a profitable pipeline. I know engineers in the armed forces and get my information on this first-hand - it is about a pipeline. You think you know about the federal reserve and what its really there for. You probably think the federal reserve is the government. Good on you. Like I said before, this is barely the beginning . . . But you said yourself you dont want to do more research, and will only consider what is put in front of you. You are a model of ignorance.

Clearly you dont know much about what you're talking about. You've probably only been introduced to some names for the first time in the past few days. You lack knowledge, and the will to research. You sit in your armchair and get distorted information from mainstream media like Time magazine, and this is what forms your opinion? Well done.

You have so much to learn. I am not talking about conspiracy theories. I'm talking about how the world really works, and how you think is the perfect model of an ignorant follower who just cant see it.

Let me tell you something Mike. You know nothing about what is going on. And while I feel myself wanting to tell you everything abouot what you have no clue about, I have to remind myself that there are billions like you and I'm wasting my time. People like you will eventually know, but by then it may be too late.

ps - some parts of bin laden's family say he died years ago of Marfans disease. The man was on his death bed. And now his son who hasnt seen or heard from him in years comes forward and says "well if he was killed like the US says, it was unjustified". Bin Laden WAS responsible for 911, but he was far from the only personor group behind it.

Steve, your moronic set of facts is how you draw your qualified opinions. You hide behind your so called claimed superior intellect. I know you do. You are the blind one. There is no way to talk with you in this condition. And you can't talk with us either. We will never buy your set of facts. That's just the way it is. Your facts don't pass the smell test even though you like the smell. You expect way too much here. I think liberals are idiots that think that corporations are evil. It's all about redistribution of wealth. Everything else is just dogmatic confirmation bias. That includes both side's arguments for the most part. What's missing here is a filter to determine the real truth. You don't have the guts, I don't have the resources, or the time. Mainly because I hate liberals with all my being. They are so wrong it doesn't equivocate to wasted energy on retards.

Huh?? Some of you are pathetically uneducated combined with wilful ignorance and plain stupidity. But let's just leave it at "I'm the one with the problem". What a waste of time.

Quote from: Steve on May 11, 2011, 08:13:50 PM
You think it is mere coincidence that the president at the time was in business with the USA's most wanted "terrorist". You think it's coincidence that sec. of defense was CEO of the company that probably profits most from the "war on terror". You think it's coincidence that James Bath, Bush's air force buddy was the financial controller for the Bin Laden family. You think that Saddam really had WMDs in Iraq and the US's involvement in Iraq is really about "iraqi freedom"?? You really think the Allied involvement in Afghanistan is about finding Bin Laden and a bunch of Boogeymen, rather than a profitable pipeline. I know engineers in the armed forces and get my information on this first-hand - it is about a pipeline. You think you know about the federal reserve and what its really there for. You probably think the federal reserve is the government. Good on you. Like I said before, this is barely the beginning . . . But you said yourself you dont want to do more research, and will only consider what is put in front of you. You are a model of ignorance.

Steve, you're all over the place, try to focus a little.  :o

First, let's deal with iraq. Yes, I see it now; the invasion of Iraq was motivated by oil, but the USA needed a green light to invade so they arranged for a few of Bin Laden's cronies to fly into some buildings.

Of course! it's so obvious now!  ::)

All those inconvenient little details which don't square with this hypothesis can be brushed under the carpet, that's the way human beings make progress!

Sorry steve, I just can't take you seriously; you're a hopeless case.  :)

If you want to have a serious discussion about this then please state clearly where you think the official version of events is wrong and give evidence why it is wrong. That will be a start. And spare me the personal attacks, I know it makes for good padding but it just makes you look silly.

Mike it is your life to live.

I said on May 5th:

QuoteI expect the next natural distaster will be within a month or so - really could be any day now. Just observe.

12th May:
nolinks://nolinks.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/8508784/Spain-earthquake-up-to-15000-left-homeless.html (nolinks://nolinks.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/8508784/Spain-earthquake-up-to-15000-left-homeless.html)

I also said it will get worse before it gets better. Keep observing. Just around the corner is financial crisis like never before, partly due to the natural disasters.

Mike, I understand you are trying to win an argument, but you just dont know what you're talking about. I'm not arguing with you - I was trying to educate you. I'm not getting personal when I say you're an ignorant an uneducated fool - it sincerely is reality. If it offends you, so be it. Eventually you and people like you will know better. And I'm not just referring to natural disasters. I am not offended by your comments - they are pure ignorance. It is closer to pity although it is your life to live, your decisions.

Just keep watching. And when you know better, don't say I didnt tell you. You are the one who sat in his chair unwilling to research and learn, with your only source of information mainstream media who are as uneducated and ignorant as you.

Every one of us that is awake has been where you are now, and every one of us end up wondering what was wrong wih us. I just sincerely hope for your sake it doesnt take too long.

Steve, why do you bring everything down to a personal level? I'm not merely "trying to win an argument" but am actually interested in the truth, just as you claim to be. There are ways and means of determining the truth, and it requires a lot more thinking and care than you seem able to conceive. That is the real ignorance which you are displaying to an astonishing degree. Apparently the mainstream media is just as ignorant as I am, and you have to dig deeper to find the "real truth".

This is the internet; if you search enough, you can find any kind of "evidence" which supports your crackpot theories, does that mean it's the truth? Seriously, I wonder about your mental health, you should try to spend a little less time at your computer doing "research".

Is mainstream science also ignorant? according to you they must be. There is NO evidence that earthquakes are occurring with any higher frequency than normal. Events tend to occur in clusters, just like roulette outcomes. Because a human life span is a mere blip in geological terms, what appears to be a significant increase in earthquakes isn't - it just seems like it is to us.

And as to this ridiculous claim that there is some kind of underground "illuminati" controlling everything, it just blows me away that people can be so deluded. The internet is the perfect medium for this kind of claptrap.

Let's try this from a standpoint that I'm ignorant and that I don't understand an issue. Here in America we have people that think that corporations take the wealth and distribute it among their elite club. That leaves the poor serfs & peasants to fend for themselves like in the medieval times. They of course support all those politicians that promise redistribution of wealth. These same politicians won't admit that we are at war with al-Qaeda. Funny thing is that al-Qaeda says they are at war with us.

So here it is in a simplest form. Bush talked a militant fundamentalist Islamist group into a deal with us pathetic infidels. They preach and teach a global domination of Sharia Law. They are at war with the western world in order to bring the coming of the eleventh imam and their caliphate. In that scenario we in the west will conform or die. Sounds fundamentalist to me.

Now Al Gore might refer to the following as an inconvenient truth:

"To understand why the idea that the U.S. went to Iraq for oil is fallacious, one must understand where the oil Americans use comes from in the first place. If you go and do a little research--such as studying annual reports from government agencies who manage energy resources--you'll find that about half of the oil we use in the U.S. comes from the U.S. Most of the foreign oil we import does not come from the Middle East; most of it comes from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, and Nigeria. Only a relatively small amount of the oil we use comes from the Middle East, and that oil is from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. For the most part, oil generally is sent to customers who are closer geographically. In the Middle East's case, most of the oil they produce goes to more 'local' customers: Europe, Russia, China, and India, primarily."

Perhaps the Bush family wants to start their own caliphate, you know, to get into the club before it's too late?

I decided that Steve would call this a lie. So I got a second opinion.

nolinks://nolinks.american.com/energy (nolinks://nolinks.american.com/energy)

"About 1.9 billion barrels, or a little more than one-fourth of what we use. Together, the United States, Canada, and Mexico currently provide a majority of U.S. oil consumption."

Nice one gizmo, but you watch, I'm sure Steve will have none of it. "Gore was in on it too" ;D

According to this article the oil imported from Iraq is now LESS than it was before 9/11.

nolinks://nolinks.scottmanning.com/archives/howmuchoilfromiraq.php (nolinks://nolinks.scottmanning.com/archives/howmuchoilfromiraq.php)

Quote"If the Iraq War is all about oil, then the U.S. has spent a lot of money and resources to topple Saddam, run elections, and train the military/police to get less oil from Iraq and the Persian Gulf region."

There are a whole stack of facts like that which reduce the conspiracy theory to bilge-water.

It is easy to miss the big picture when you are uneducated, and refuse to research properly. Who "controls" the oil is what matters. Sale to the USA is no different to any other nation. Restructuring of the region is also important as the middle east is far from ideal for their plans. And research Halliburton and its contracts in Iraq. Also Carlyle Group and defence industries. Who were the major contract winners, and who is related to these companies? How many billions are the contracts worth? Research, then get back to me. Or dont. IT IS ABOUT MUCH MORE THAN JUST MONEY.

Again Mike, I am not deliberately insulting you or getting personal. It is simple fact that you dont know what you are talking about. You say you want to know the truth. If that is true, I suggest start with the videos on the front page of nolinks.universalsymbiosis.org (nolinks://nolinks.universalsymbiosis.org) - watch them. Then keep digging. You just have no idea, yet. It will take months to get up to speed. But you can spend about 5-6 hours and have a reasonable idea. SPEND THE TIME. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, IF YOU CARE ABOUT TRUTH. Look past the crackpot stuff, and focus on what is credible and can be verified.

As I said before, everyone who is alert to what is going on once started as you two. Now we all wonder what on earth was wrong with us.

ABSOLUTELY the illuminati are real. The new world order is their goal. It is not for peace. It is for absolute control and power. And it is largely done through banks. Control money, you control everyone who submits to money.

President George H.W. Bush Sr's Famous New World Order Speech on 9/11/1991 (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=wqRCdfUUrPc#)
How many times does he say it? What is the date of his famous speech?

Keep watching in the video. See who is in the skull and bones secret society photo.

WHAT I HAVE SHOWED AND SAID IS NOT EVEN THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. YOU KNOW NOTHING.

Dont forget:
George Bush and John Kerry Skull and Bones members 322 (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=mPh7sUvhZ3E#)

It goes much deeper than you have clues about.

I cant believe I'm wasting more time on it... but on the back of the $1 bill:

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The slogan basically means "new world order". When you learn more, you will know right now you are ignorant. Once you see it, you cant turn back. You will learn how dismissive and ignorant you have been. Some people stay this way, and dimissing everything as crackpot stuff. They will stay slaves.

The pyramid is a concept of power. With the top being the all seeing eye, the ILLUMINATED ONE (illuminati). Illuminated with knowlowledge. It is separate from those beneath it.

When you know enough, you will understand what people mean by "truth is stranger than fiction".

Great, more wasted time. Please do some research if you really want to learn. It is just clear you arent actually doing the research.

  GOOD  :angel:  versus  EVIL. :diablo:


Then WHO are the good  guys ?

Seek and ye shall find.

I get it. You have to be kidding us. It's been a big hoot.  ;D

Deal with this, or not:

"The phrase Novus ordo seclorum (Latin for "New Order of the Ages") appears on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, first designed in 1782 and printed on the back of the United States one-dollar bill since 1935. The phrase also appears on the coat of arms of the Yale School of Management, Yale University's business school. The phrase is often mistranslated as "New World Order"

"Thus the motto Novus ordo seclorum can be translated as "A new order of the ages." It was proposed by Charles Thomson, the Latin expert who was involved in the design of the Great Seal of the United States, to signify "the beginning of the new American Era" as of the date of the Declaration of Independence."

Quote from: Steve on May 12, 2011, 08:52:20 PM
I cant believe I'm wasting more time on it... but on the back of the $1 bill:

The slogan basically means "new world order". When you learn more, you will know right now you are ignorant. Once you see it, you cant turn back. You will learn how dismissive and ignorant you have been. Some people stay this way, and dimissing everything as crackpot stuff. They will stay slaves.

The pyramid is a concept of power. With the top being the all seeing eye, the ILLUMINATED ONE (illuminati). Illuminated with knowlowledge. It is separate from those beneath it.

When you know enough, you will understand what people mean by "truth is stranger than fiction".

Great, more wasted time. Please do some research if you really want to learn. It is just clear you arent actually doing the research.

So now your conspiracy goes all the way back to the creation of the Great Seal and you want us to believe that your vast knowledge of the Illuminati leaves us so far in the ozone of ignorance that you needed to remind of the fact. How can someone like you exist? I'll bet man never landed on the moon and Churches Fried Chicken is a secret government plot to exterminate black Americans.

Here's some good reading for your edification and enlightenment:

"Lizard-People Run the World
If a science fiction-based religion isn't exotic enough, followers of onetime BBC reporter David Icke believe that certain powerful people — like George W. Bush and the British royals — actually belong to an alien race of shape-shifting lizard-people. Icke claims Princess Diana confirmed this to one of her close friends; other lizard theories (there are several) point to reptilian themes in ancient mythology. And let's not forget the '80s TV show V."

"The Illuminati Run the World
The ur-conspiracy theory holds that the world's corporate and political leaders are all members of an ancient cabal: Illuminati, Rosicrucians, Freemasons — take your pick. It doesn't help that those secret societies really existed (George Washington was a Mason). Newer variations implicate the Trilateral Commission, the New World Order, and Yale's Skull and Bones society."

New order of the ages is literal translation .. thats why I said "basically means". You also need to learn about illuminati symbology, like the pyramid, and all seeing eye. And no, what is happening goes way, way back further than even the formation of the USA. Way back.

And like I said, look past the umm "crackpot" stuff and focus on what is more "down to earth".

I would love to see the look on your face when you finally understand you are the one with the problem. We have all been through it before. We have all been where you are now.

Stop plucking random information off google from publishers who have an equal level of ingorance, and dig. Like mike, you are only hearing certain things for the first time in your life and acting like experts.

Steve, I really feel sorry for you. I made far more sense on LSD when I figured out the mathematical equation for ESP. The fact is, I'm a alien from another galaxy that started the pyramid building on planet earth.

The fact that you take this mumbo jumbo so serious is almost illuminating in it's own right. I just love the facts.

This is done. You couldn't reach me with any evidence. In fact all you have is your attitude about it. I've seen no evidence that the government was behind 911. Really Steve, this is getting nowhere. You are right Mike.

Like I said, we have all been in your position before. I've said all I can be bothered saying. Eventually you will know better.

Steve, I actually watched a good part of the first video on your website, and was not impressed. Again I have to come back to the question of where is the smoking gun in all of this? where are the documented facts?  These "New World Order" theories have been around for a while and are well documented. Furthermore, if large numbers of people believe in this stuff it could have negative consequences -

QuoteSkeptics, such as Michael Barkun and Chip Berlet, have expressed concern that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about a New World Order have now not only been embraced by many left-wing conspiracy theorists but have seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. These political scientists warn that this mass hysteria may not only fuel lone-wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life,[8] such as the radical right wooing the radical left into joining a revolutionary Third Position movement capable of overthrowing the U.S. government and partitioning America along ethnoregional lines.[3][9]

nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29 (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29)
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories)

Conspiracy theories are more of an art form than anything else, they are actually a "genre" and big business. David Icke (who dreamed up the Lizard people) is one of those cashing in. nolinks://nolinks.davidicke.com/ (nolinks://nolinks.davidicke.com/)

People love conspiracy theories, they make people feel clever – 'I know about this stuff and you don't'. They also make the world seem like a more ordered place. It is no coincidence that conspiracy theories are most prevalent among political and religious extremists. Extremist groups provide both the sense of being part of an elite club and the certainty that many people crave. It is more comforting to believe that someone is in control of events, even if that someone is a malevolent force, than the alternative – that the world is chaotic and humans have only limited control over the events that shape their lives.

1. The first video is more about HOW people are being controlled: banking and finance. It is a small part of the picture. If finances bore you, you are not alone. But it is important to understand what is done via banks, and how it affects you. WATCH IT THROUGH, then research, and you cannot fail to be disgusted at what is being done to you and everyone.

2. Sure some people make money from "conspiracy theories". Does it change the viability of information?

3. You are confusing "conspiracy theories" with truth, beyond reasonable doubt. There is enough information to establish this. There is very little of the "smoking gun" evidence you want. But there is more than enough to make it clear beyond any reasonable doubt. But for clear proof of very bad finance policies to the point of corruption.... this kind of thing is easy to prove. For example, the interest for loans plus principle will always exceed the money supply. So bankruptcy is built in. They know this. It is the point. I could go forever about this and many points. As for various other things, I could spend literally months providing you with it, but it would waste my time. That's why I provided two points, one of which is that the Bin Laden family are in business with the Bush family. Doesn't that seem a little strange? . . . Yes it's not "smoking gun" but even you'd have to admit it's pretty darn suspicious, wouldn't you agree? But that is not even the beginning. Like I said, there is more than enough "non smoking gun" evidence like this for it to be beyond all reasonable doubt.

Finally you mentioned David Icke. Again, I suggest don't mix the so-called "crackpots" with legitimate material that can be substantiated. For example, I have never seen president Bush shapeshift into a reptillian alien. But I sure as hell know enough information about the Bush family to know beyond reasonable doubt they act in their own best interests, at the expense of the world. When you consider all information and see it as a whole, rather than fragmented, you too will know "beyond all reasonable doubt" that these things really are happening.

Speaking of David Icke, he believes ancient reptillians that are "not of this world" have infiltrated our planet and are manipulating us on a mass scale. He believes they are controlling us secretly. He believes they are controlling our trade through the banks among other institutions.

Gee, what a crackpot eh?

Now if you think he is a crackpot, talk to this man:

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Why? Because he preaches the exact same thing. Satan, the ancient reptillian / serpent, will be "out of his cage" and will manipulate the world. He will have a monopoly of trade, and all those without the mark of the beast will not trade.

Wow, what a crackpot.

Another crackpot is this man:
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After all, he swore an oath on the book that promotes and believes in the ancient reptillian story. Every US judge also swears on the bible. What a bunch of loonies.

Let's not forget about 1/3 OF THE WORLD who also believe it. Or maybe outside the church, it is all just "crackpottery" but if that was the case, then why is our society so bound to it?

So before you call David Icke a crackpot, consider the bible says the same thing. While I have no proof of David's claims, what proof do the the church and pope have? And if it's all just bullshit, why is the very foundation of ouor society supposedly based on the bible and its teachings? Why do all judges and presidents swear on it? Why does your money say on it "in god we trust"?

Yes, crackpots everywhere.

Regarding David's claims, like I said I have no verifiable information about what he says. But what is more "down to earth" and IS verifiable is the other things I've mentioned.

There is so much going on that you do not appear to be even vaguely aware of. Anyone who truly wants to know the truth can research.

In the end, everything comes down to CHOICE. For people that already know, no explanation is required. For people that dont yet know, no explanation is possible.

We have a guy in the family with the same conspiracy theories as you. He has in the last 4 years never succeded to provide evidence or a "smoking gun" one single time. Its all "I KNOW better than the rest of you and soon you will all see the light".  Yeah right, we are still waiting for that to happen.  One thing is sure though, his attitude and arrogance cracks up most familiy gatherings where his parents walks around embarressed trying to straighten out the party after some of his outbursts.

It is hard to comment when I dont know what he says. You are waiting for things to happen. Well, things are happening right now. It is in your face. But not everyone is awake.

One of his last outbursts was "Kelly you are into stock trading, do you know that HUGEEE blocks of stocks are being traded secretly outside of the NYSE and Nasdaq ?"

And i had to say, Yes i DO know. Its called Dark Pools and is mainly used by Hedge Funds and Institutional Investors that wanna buy or sell large quantaties without influencing the price.  Its not a secret, its just not something you and i has access to right away. If we had been trading through a broker using an algorithm we probably would have had access because some of the algo strategys has access and is also" pinging" the dark pools for larger blocks that might match their own Iceberg execution.

Its not a conspiracy or a secret, its just not known to many small private traders.

A lot of shady things happen in finance. Where there is money, there is often corruption.

How about you Kelly... do you think it's perhaps a little odd that bush and bin ladens are in business together? Ot that halliburton's ex CEO was Dick? Or maybe you dont know enough about it all. Perhaps that's why we're all "crackpots"

ooh its out of the question a president can be corrupt. Never happened, never will happen. All angels. Anyone that says otherwise is a crackpot.

Gotta say, i haven`t done enough research to form an opinion on that.  The whole area has only little interest to me.  To do a proper research one has to find out who the info providers are and their agenda before you can validate what is there and then form an own opinion.

Most people cant be bothered researching, but still have a strong negative opinion about "crackpots" that DO the research.

Nobody wants to be put in a position of ridicule. But people like me feel/know so strongly that it doesnt matter - because truth is put before pride.

Amongst people that are also aware, the kind of things I speak of are just "common knowledge", and the people that dont see or understand it are extremely dim-witted. But to those people, WE are the "crackpots". But those people also dont want to research.

Tell ya what.. research is more likely to uncover the truth than lack of research.

We  don`t need more research about th IMF ( Internatioal Money Fund) . It was headed by a   typical lCaviar Socialist who got  caught with his  pants down and not even liberal New York likes his  transgression. They threw him into the worst of the  prisons  in NY City. in the company of scum like drug dealers , pimps,  murderes  and common thieves. This  has  the  French upset.

Now  we know what the superflouus   IMF is. A  group of worlwide  Caviar socialists.

Cry  your heart out you bleeding hearts.

N.D.

The IMF is much bigger than one person.

I believe that he is dead.

When a President of United States Confirming that statement.  Do you think without getting his facts right, did he able to make such statement.

Even if did so and there is real video released by Osama next day, what will happen to his credibility.

Quote from: Steve on May 17, 2011, 07:54:22 PM
The IMF is much bigger than one person.

Now  we know what the superflouus   IMF is. A GROUP of worlwide  Caviar socialists.Not only one person which is being replaced  by another one of the  same  mind set : steal from the  producers  and re-distribute it instead   ofteaching those  people in under developed countries  a trade.  but it is better to give  those  dictators the money  so they  can dwell in luxury.

It is not about   giving money  to a poor nation  but WHO gets the  money that`s the question.

Quote from: Allin on May 18, 2011, 10:48:30 AM
I believe that he is dead.

When a President of United States Confirming that statement.  Do you think without getting his facts right, did he able to make such statement.

Even if did so and there is real video released by Osama next day, what will happen to his credibility.

Don't belive everything you read or hear about what the US president said.

I M F  = International Muggers and Fences

Conspiracy Theory = officially unsanctioned conclusion drawn from readily available data (e. g.  , 2+2=4, even when duh gubmint and duh-masses say otherwise). 

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on May 18, 2011, 11:11:45 AM
Now  we know what the superflouus   IMF is. A GROUP of worlwide  Caviar socialists.Not only one person which is being replaced  by another one of the  same  mind set : steal from the  producers  and re-distribute it instead   ofteaching those  people in under developed countries  a trade.  but it is better to give  those  dictators the money  so they  can dwell in luxury.

It is not about   giving money  to a poor nation  but WHO gets the  money that`s the question.

what the heck are caviar socialists?
:)

those are caviar socialists too?

Le Professionnel - Chi Mai (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=DK8pjN5Q_cM#)

Quote from: iggiv link=topic=18681. msg136271#msg136271 date=1305758031
what the heck are caviar socialists?
:)
Le Professionnel - Chi Mai

Social engineers who eat caviar, while the serfs in their utopia eat cake?

I never doubted Osama is dead. I'm just doubting how it actually happened, and when. He was on his death bed a decade ago. Many of his family members made it clear he died many years earlier of disease.

look, there is another liberal. but this one is not a caviar liberal, this is a bone liberal

Mishka the Husky says "Obama"! - Dog Talking (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=M2GZWSqNviU#ws)

Quote from: Steve link=topic=18681.   msg136273#msg136273 date=1305759809
I never doubted Osama is dead.    I'm just doubting how
it actually happened, and when.    He was on his death bed a decade ago.    Many of his family members made it clear he died many years earlier of disease.   

The idea that Emanuel Goldstein.   .   .   er.   .   .   um.   .   .   Obama sin Laden could have survived 10 years on the lam, in his condition -- i.  e.   , dialysis-dependent renal failure and marfan syndrome (not exactly a transplant candidate) -- stresses the borders of verisimilitude.    The Administration's narrative of Osama's recent demise is a transparent, self-serving, ham-fisted fiction, no doubt dreamt up during one of Barry's pillow-talk sessions with his closest political advisor, the Chi-town ballerino.   

Barry: "Rahm, baby, what can we do to make me look more butch?!"

Rahm: [swallows]" Well.   .   .   we could dress you up like a cowboy, indian, cop, or construction worker.   .   .    No? .   .   .   too Village People? .   .   .   okay, then, we could always thaw-out your old CIA buddy, bin Laden, for one last post-mortem shoot-out at the I'm ok/you're ok corral.   "

Barry: "Perfect! You're a genius, baby.    That's why I love you.   "

Rahm: " Not just for my body?"

Barry: "Well, you are one helluva dancer, baby.   "

Quote from: Steve on May 18, 2011, 08:03:29 PM
I never doubted Osama is dead. I'm just doubting how it actually happened, and when. He was on his death bed a decade ago. Many of his family members made it clear he died many years earlier of disease.

Steve, there were guesses, no more than this. but his released videotapes and audiotapes (mentioning some later events) proved he was alive. His relatives lost connection with him long time ago. He was underground, why would he risk his life to contact the relatives? So of course they could guess maybe he was dead, but they could not know that as a fact much more than anybody else.

Yes but for mentioning something later, it'd need to be very specific. We may never know the truth. Either way I dont believe the US government, or rather key people in it who have their own agenda.

Quote from: Steve on May 16, 2011, 01:23:25 AM
How about you Kelly... do you think it's perhaps a little odd that bush and bin ladens are in business together? Ot that halliburton's ex CEO was Dick? Or maybe you dont know enough about it all. Perhaps that's why we're all "crackpots"

So what justifies going from 'perhaps a little odd' to 'beyond reasonable doubt'? Far from justifying 'beyond reasonable doubt', your evidence is so flimsy the case would be thrown out of court.

Quoteooh its out of the question a president can be corrupt. Never happened, never will happen. All angels. Anyone that says otherwise is a crackpot.

And here you're attacking a straw man. You're the one making the claim, but because you don't have the hard evidence you take the easy option and misrepresent my position because the misrepresentation is easier to attack.

Quote from: Steve on May 16, 2011, 01:39:56 AM
Nobody wants to be put in a position of ridicule. But people like me feel/know so strongly that it doesn't matter - because truth is put before pride.

Feeling strongly is not a substitute for hard evidence.

QuoteAmongst people that are also aware, the kind of things I speak of are just "common knowledge", and the people that dont see or understand it are extremely dim-witted. But to those people, WE are the "crackpots". But those people also dont want to research.

So now you're trying to belittle and insult those who haven't 'done the research'? that's a mature and reasonable position to take - not.

QuoteTell ya what.. research is more likely to uncover the truth than lack of research.

You keep talking about 'doing the research' without any apparent understanding of context or interpretation. To you, the 'facts' just stand out and speak for the themselves, and you just 'know' or 'feel' that they point to whatever serves your twisted view. Being objective and taking into account the big picture doesn't come naturally to people, you need to use the skills of critical thinking and scientific method to reach the truth. But nah, just spout any old sensationalist drivel, it's much more entertaining!

Never mind, it doesn't matter anyway, because we'll all be dead in a couple of days -
nolinks://nolinks.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363837/Doomsday-campers-Project-Caravan-say-world-end-May-21.html (nolinks://nolinks.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363837/Doomsday-campers-Project-Caravan-say-world-end-May-21.html)   :sarcastic:

Quote from: iggiv link=topic=18681.   msg136281#msg136281 date=1305770848.   .   .   .   his released videotapes and audiotapes (mentioning some later events) proved he was alive.   

Video/audio proves nothing.    Ask Tom Hanks.    Heck, ask the CIA:
blog. washingtonpost. com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d. html

It is  getting comical. Has anyone seen that movie " WEEKEND AT BERNIES ".

Thids  takes place in the Hamptons NY , Long Island   . The guy dies  and  they drag his dead  body around to c**ktaul parties  etc.  :diablo:

WEEKEND AT BERNIES TRAILER (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=YCTgcZ6ImsQ#)


Just hilarious.

Iggiv,

Those  cats  are not Caviar socialists.  All indications  are  they are  " HONEST" capitalists. According to those   Caviar Socialist they would be exploiting the working  class.

Quote from: Nathan Detroit link=topic=18681. msg136310#msg136310 date=1305824432
It is  getting comical.  Has anyone seen that movie " WEEKEND AT BERNIES ".

Thids  takes place in the Hamptons NY , Long Island   .  The guy dies  and  they drag his dead  body around to c**ktaul parties  etc.   :diablo:

WEEKEND AT BERNIES TRAILER


Just hilarious.

Lol.  Yeah. 'Weekend @ Bin Laden's' was the first thing that popped into my head, when I heard the "news. "

SPECIAL REPORT: "Osama's dead. . . again.  And, Obama killed him. . . this time.  Three cheers for The Kenya Kid!"

Here ya go:

sadhillnews. com/2011/05/03/weekend-at-osamas

Mike I really cant be bothered anymore but will say yes I criticize those who havent done the research, and think they are experts.

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on May 19, 2011, 02:04:29 PM
Iggiv,

Those  cats  are not Caviar socialists.  All indications  are  they are  " HONEST" capitalists. According to those   Caviar Socialist they would be exploiting the working  class.

Nathan, how do u dare to call a talking husky dog "a cat"? i imagine what would she SAY if she found out   ;D ;D ;D

Mishka says 12 words - Dog Talking (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=2c8MMiytwNs#)

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on May 19, 2011, 02:04:29 PM
Iggiv,

Those  cats  are not Caviar socialists.  All indications  are  they are  " HONEST" capitalists. According to those   Caviar Socialist they would be exploiting the working  class.

Nathan, by the way -- socialists are not always communists. Usually they r not. French socialist party is far from being communist.

but i don't care much anyway. don't take it that seriously  :lol:

Iggiv ,


You can tell this talking husky that  she is  not a  cat. The cat`s  I refeered to were those  inpost # 1103.
You must understandthat cats  is   New York Wise Guy language.


Exanple: This  cat does not even have  the 2  bucks  to place a 2 buck bet on a longshot . :ok:

yeah i was joking about the husky just to tease u.

but about French Socialist Party:

nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_%28France%29 (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_%28France%29)

it is not a "left wing" and it came to power just right in 1981 when the movie "Professional" was created, so those cats in the movie (like the Minister which ordered to shoot the rebellious Secret Service agent) could be socialist too :)

and by the way, if u haven't watched the movie, find it online with english subtitles, it is a great movie, u like good old movies

I knew  you were kidding me. Old movies . One of my favorite  old  movies  is  called " Dr. Mabuse, The Gambler'
is  a 1923 ! silent movie  classic.  Outstanding Director  Fritz Lang.

English subtitles , good background music. You won`t even notice that it is a  silent film.


Length about 5 hours. Google it in.



Nathan Detroit.

HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

 :clapping:

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on May 02, 2011, 08:17:19 PM
The next one in line to be punished should be the one who was responsible  for the PAN AM flight which exploded over Scotland in 1988.............

I think you jinxed it!

Well he  got what he   deserved. :skull:

Indeed. Its quite funny, Gahadffi's asisant who planted the bomb on the flight, he is dieing of cancer.

He may even be dead.

Carma is really out there!

and stalin lived to a ripe old age.

This  tool of  Ghadaffi is still alive   and living in plush surroundings in Tripoli . Why he  was ever released from  a Scottish prison for  alleged  cancer is  beyond  my comprehension.

I have my doubts that this low life will ever be  returned  to Scotland by the  dubious  new  government of Lybia probably infiltrated by  the usual suspects of Islamic  radicals.

This  cat should be NEXT on the list  to suffer the  same  fate as  Bin Laden. :skull: Why not ?

This  cat should be thrown out of an airplane  at 20, 000 feet without a parachute and a lit firecracker up his rectum.

There have been calls for Megrahi to be returned to the UK, or to be tried in the United States.

Megrahi is technically on licence, but his whereabouts have been unknown.

Its a disgrace he got released in 2009 on health grounds, but the bastard is still alive.