Osama Bin Laden dead?

[Steve]

1. Global warning actually is happening, but nowhere near to the degree that some people claim. It is relatively insignificant, and being used to help keep people under control. Much, much more significant is the earth's changing magnetic field. Many more earthquakes and strange behavior of the planet real soon. Oh wait, I'm just somebody's sucker. Or perhaps I do my own research, for myself.

2. Cheney sold about $36M in stock and severed "official" ties with Halliburton before his political position. If you think there aren't ever "under the table" deals, perhaps you are being a little naive? Cheney has present ties, official or not, with that company. And how amazingly they have made a fortune from the war. War on what? Where are the WMDs? It is all bullshit. nolinks://nolinks.rense.com/general29/dbus.htm

3. See nolinks://nolinks.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/09_18_01_bushbin.html among many other resources. Then verify the facts for yourself.

Also have a good look at nolinks://nolinks.informationclearinghouse.info/article3309.htm . . . . or switch to the Fox channel. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO OR WHAT THE CARLYLE GROUP ARE?

Steve, you are a fundamentalist extremist

Why dont you flat out call me a TERRORIST? That's just the kind of attitude the Fox network aspires you to have. At least I know where you get YOUR information. You dont know it yet, but you appear to be the ideal mental clone the elite want, beliving what you are fed, and attempting to ostracize people that are awake.

Gizmo, I really cant be bothered. It is nothing personal. Just wasting more of my time but by all means have your say. But believe me when I say that one day you will see for yourself, and kick yourself for not seeing it earlier.

[Nathan Detroit]

WHO IS JOHN GALT ?

[ReDsQuaD]

Gizmotron. Let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of a top secret organisation named "Fema" ?

[Mike]

So let's look at two facts:

1. One of the companies that profited most from war in iraq / afghanistan is Halliburton, and the CEO was Dick Cheney, the Secretay of Defense? Hmm.

2. The bush family was/is literally in business with the bin laden family.

It's a big jump from these facts to a belief that 9/11 was deliberately perpetrated or known about in advance by the U.S. Government. Many individuals profit from wars but that in itself is no evidence that they are implicated in a conspiracy. The Bush family apparently had links with the Nazis, does that mean they're responsible for WWII?

Come off it Steve, give us a break. 

You say do your own research, but you can dig out all sorts of conspiracy garbage if you're determined to find it, and in almost every case there is no smoking gun, only speculation.

[Mike]

1. Global warning actually is happening, but nowhere near to the degree that some people claim. It is relatively insignificant, and being used to help keep people under control. Much, much more significant is the earth's changing magnetic field. Many more earthquakes and strange behavior of the planet real soon. Oh wait, I'm just somebody's sucker. Or perhaps I do my own research, for myself.

Steve, the relative effects of global warming vs changing magnetic field are the reverse of what you claim, according to all the evidence.

nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080630-earth-core.html

"It is in this region that the shielding effect of the magnetic field is severely reduced, thus allowing high energy particles of the hard radiation belt to penetrate deep into the upper atmosphere to altitudes below a hundred kilometers (62 miles)," Mandea said.

This radiation does not influence temperatures on Earth. The particles, however, do affect technical and radio equipment and can damage electronic equipment on satellites and airplanes, Olsen of the Danish space center said.

The effects of global warming, on the other hand, are hardly "insignificant". Just look at any reputable science site (such as sciencedaily) for evidence.

From wikipedia:

In terrestrial ecosystems, the earlier timing of spring events, and poleward and upward shifts in plant and animal ranges, have been linked with high confidence to recent warming.[18] Future climate change is expected to particularly affect certain ecosystems, including tundra, mangroves, and coral reefs.[91] It is expected that most ecosystems will be affected by higher atmospheric CO2 levels, combined with higher global temperatures.[94] Overall, it is expected that climate change will result in the extinction of many species and reduced diversity of ecosystems.[95]

[gizmotron]

Steve, you are a fundamentalist extremist

Why dont you flat out call me a TERRORIST? That's just the kind of attitude the Fox network aspires you to have. At least I know where you get YOUR information. You dont know it yet, but you appear to be the ideal mental clone the elite want, beliving what you are fed, and attempting to ostracize people that are awake.

Gizmo, I really cant be bothered. It is nothing personal. Just wasting more of my time but by all means have your say. But believe me when I say that one day you will see for yourself, and kick yourself for not seeing it earlier.

Here's how the real world works Steve. When you first start looking into the world of politics you eventually discover that you have been lied to. At that point you do one of two things. You decide that you where too smart to be lied to and you react angry and cynical about those that told you the lies. So you latch on to the first thing that makes sense. But what some people fail to do. They fail to find out what the truth is so that they can't be lied to anymore. They take the easy way out and buy into a  new set of conspiracy theories that explains how the truth was never really the truth. In a way they buy into a world of their own. So nothing has changed for them. They can still be lied to without ever knowing it. They even get defensive over it. They latch on to their own peculiar truth. They don't know it too. They are blind to the full spectrum of real facts and truth. But that never stops them from sharing their weird set of facts. And their strange set of excuses. What's even worse is these people still vote.

I'm saying that you have failed to look at all the facts and all the opinions before considering who it is that is really lying. Being upset about Cheney is so out of any mainstream thought that it automatically self qualifies you as fringe. It's not reality, it's just a story that pleases you. Cheney has moved on. Bashing Bush is past tense. Moore is a user that sucks people in. He's now a multi millionaire. Go figure.

[gizmotron]

Gizmotron. Let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of a top secret organisation named "Fema" ?

Yes, that's the bozos that were never first responders but get the blame anyway. Those are the people that purchased cheaply manufactured RV trailers that were uninhabitable because of too much formaldehyde in all the parts used to construct them. Typical government waste. But that's not it is it? You mean the secret concentration camps all ready set up to place the enlightened ones, such as yourself, into. You know who you are. We do to. KOOKs in camps, good idea. FEMA Camps, your next great vacation spot. Wait, I've got it. FEMA Casinos...

nolinks://nolinks.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm

The Extortion System of the Ruling Elite

[Nathan Detroit]

Gizmo,


ROFLMAO !! Great  reply.Especially the link . That should keep them Kooks  busy  for a while.

[gizmotron]

That's KOOK's, Keepers Of Odd Knowledge.

[pins]

you must be ready for anything. people are trying to overthrow our system which is not perfect. but it is the best system in the world.  if these people succeed you will have no freedom. of course we are all out for ourselves.
good luck. and keep a low profile. your name might be on the list,

[Steve]

It is interesting how people twist OBSCURE facts and make them into whatever suits their current beliefs. It is counterproductive to have a closed mind. It is better to actually look for the truth, and welcome new beliefs, because it is progress towards truth. Without truth, you cant hope to progress.


1.  I have never referred to any Nazi or distant connection. I am talking about here and now, in this lifetime. Mike, read what I wrote. I gave two very simple points, thinking anyone would at the very people could verify it, then when they see it's the truth, they'd at the very least be a little suspicious.

a. One of the companies that profited most from war in iraq / afghanistan is Halliburton, and the CEO was Dick Cheney, the Secretay of Defense? Hmm.

b. The bush family was/is literally in business with the bin laden family.

There is so much more information to look at, but why overwhelm people with information when they struggle with simple things. But here's another one for you... James R Bath. See nolinks://nolinks.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5446102

These are not obscure references. They are direct links, in this lifetime. I know I'm beating a dead horse here again though.


2. CO2 is natural. A singe volcano erruption can release more CO2 that every vehicle can. The cutting down of forests has far more of an impact on global changes such as global warming. Like I said, global warming is happening, but to nowhere near the extent most of us are led to believe. Whatever the case, it is being used as an EXCUSE to implement adverse policies, like additional taxes. Once in Australia they tried to implement a FART TAX for farmers who have cows.

3. The poles of the planet do reverse. That is not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about major changes in strength of magnetic fields, and restructuring of the actual fields. This is what is causing the erratic weather, tsunamis, earth quakes etc. Nobody yet knows what is changing the magnetic fields.

Here's how the real world works Steve. When you first start looking into the world of politics you eventually discover that you have been lied to. At that point you do one of two things. You decide that you where too smart to be lied to and you react angry and cynical about those that told you the lies. So you latch on to the first thing that makes sense.

Your world is different to mine. I maintain an open mind, try to keep my emotions and knee-jerk reactions out of it, and look at what others say with their evidence, check evidence for myself, find whatever information of my own I can, put it together and make my own mind up.

I'm saying that you have failed to look at all the facts and all the opinions before considering who it is that is really lying. Being upset about Cheney is so out of any mainstream thought that it automatically self qualifies you as fringe. It's not reality, it's just a story that pleases you. Cheney has moved on. Bashing Bush is past tense. Moore is a user that sucks people in. He's now a multi millionaire. Go figure.

Moore's wealth is irrelevant. Cheney's and Bush's wealth IS relevant, because of where it came from.

Time always reveals the truth. By the time some of you realize it, it will probably be too late.

Believe me when I say that when the elite are forced to (in order to keep their power), they will activate a plan that ultimately creates fear and panic. That is what FEMA is for. Martial law is their "backup plan" for when they are about to lose control. And it will happen, because more of us are becoming aware of who is running the planet, and what they are doing. What will happen? Well whatever it is, it sure wont LOOK like it came from the elite. Be it manufactured viruses, stages terrorist attacks (even nuclear), more earthquakes and natural disasters (perhaps by HAARP, which has an awfully lot of power consumption for weather research).... the effect is the same. Chaos and fear. It is coming extremely soon. The 2012 is a planet allignment. It does not mark the "end of the world" as some people think. It is the opposite end of a 20,000 year cycle in the Myan calendar, the opposite of the golden age. Call it the sh*t age, when things are at the worst. And about this time is when society will go through major advancements, for the better. But it will not be pretty during the changes, and they will not be sudden.

There is just so much some of you are oblivious to. I do not want to argue with you. Just wait and see. Things are going to get much worse before they get better, within anywhere from now to the next 10 years. As I've said many times before, truth always wins, eventually. I expect the next natural distaster will be within a month or so - really could be any day now. Just observe.

[gizmotron]

Steve, that was an articulate and cogent argument. You have not failed in communicating your genuine concern. Here is my obvious conclusion for me from all that. You are the target of the FEMA concentration camps, not me. I'm part of the vast right wing conspiracy. If you run to ground as a survivalist then you are bunkered down. You have done nothing that will stop it. You are not organized to defeat it. You will whither on the vine. That does not mean that I want to help gather offenders into camps. After all, somebody will need to be on the outside in order to have others on the inside. The trickiest move is to blend into the surrounding environment that works. Fear of a future disaster is a complete waste of life. It almost always makes people make choices that waste time. And a lifespan is already short enough.

[Steve]

Fear of a future disaster is a complete waste of life.

Living in any fear is a wasted life. And living as a slave is a wasted life too. It comes down personal choice, and mine is: give me freedom or put a bullet in my head. Whether or not it will get to that kind of extreme, who knows. But that's what I'm prepared for. The end outcome is the tyranny will not last. There will be too many people who stand up. What happens between now and then is anybody's guess, but certainly it wont be pretty.

As for me and FEMA, that is more a USA thing. Australia is never far behind though. The only way they can get people to submit to the tyranny is manipulation and fear - so cooperation is willing, not forced. It is not effective to keep prisoners and slaves if they KNOW what they are. I am a non-violent person. Most people with views such as mine are the same. If they drag me kicking and screaming, so be it. But I have no intention of being held a prisoner. The end game for all of this will not be violence. It will be simple truth, and "critical mass" which is enough people waking up. When that happens, they would need to wipe out large parts of the population. Will they do this? Well they are certainly capable of doing it, physically and mentally. Who knows what will happen. But I am 100% confident of the end result, whether or not I'm around to see it.

[gizmotron]

The radical Communist activists here in America have openly stated that they will need to kill at least 25,000,000 as a means to their ends. That's a published, and video taped fact. They are organized. We won't allow that. If killing is what it takes then we will kill. Our President is one of them. He thinks his Saul Alinsky community organizing is under the RADAR. It's not. I don't care about keeping Communists alive.

[Steve]

For those interested in Osama and the related, see nolinks://nolinks.opposingviews.com/I/why-osama-bin-laden-dead-is-a-government-lie - a very good read. Then check the evidence for yourself. Also note the attacks / comments against him, which are such typical responses from people with very limited vision.

Also Gizmo I have no doubt many people and groups are capable of killing that many people (and more), mentally and physically capable.

When people find out who the real terrorists are, the armed forces and police will do their duty. The problem is at this stage, soldiers follow orders rather than the constitution, and they are trained not to judge and ask questions. An effective military needs to be this way. So it's a bit of a paradox. What happens when some soldiers see the real terrorists, and some don't? Civil war. It will probably come to this in the USA at least. There will be the usual demonbstrations etc etc that rarely achieve anything. In the end, "critical mass" needs to happen, where enugh people see it, then the power we as a whole gave the elite will not exist anymore.

[Steve]

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