Osama Bin Laden dead?

[Mike]

It is interesting how people twist OBSCURE facts and make them into whatever suits their current beliefs. It is counterproductive to have a closed mind. It is better to actually look for the truth, and welcome new beliefs, because it is progress towards truth. Without truth, you cant hope to progress.

1.  I have never referred to any Nazi or distant connection. I am talking about here and now, in this lifetime. Mike, read what I wrote. I gave two very simple points, thinking anyone would at the very people could verify it, then when they see it's the truth, they'd at the very least be a little suspicious.

a. One of the companies that profited most from war in iraq / afghanistan is Halliburton, and the CEO was Dick Cheney, the Secretay of Defense? Hmm.

b. The bush family was/is literally in business with the bin laden family.

There is so much more information to look at, but why overwhelm people with information when they struggle with simple things. But here's another one for you... James R Bath. See nolinks://nolinks.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5446102

These are not obscure references. They are direct links, in this lifetime. I know I'm beating a dead horse here again though.

I don't know what you're talking about in your first paragraph, my point about the nazis was only an analogy for what you're suggesting - that Bush and Cheney had dubious associations THEREFORE they must have been instigators of the war in Iraq - isn't that what you were implying?

I'm saying that isn't hard enough evidence, you seem to have made up your mind on it though. And spare me the patronizing lectures; a pretty straightforward case of pot calling the kettle black. You've already made up your mind and and this directs your attention to only those articles or "evidence" which confirms your belief. This is  a well-known fallacy and is called "confirmation bias".

[bombus]

[Mike]

2. CO2 is natural. A singe volcano erruption can release more CO2 that every vehicle can. The cutting down of forests has far more of an impact on global changes such as global warming. Like I said, global warming is happening, but to nowhere near the extent most of us are led to believe. Whatever the case, it is being used as an EXCUSE to implement adverse policies, like additional taxes. Once in Australia they tried to implement a FART TAX for farmers who have cows.

3. The poles of the planet do reverse. That is not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about major changes in strength of magnetic fields, and restructuring of the actual fields. This is what is causing the erratic weather, tsunamis, earth quakes etc. Nobody yet knows what is changing the magnetic fields.

Steve, you said in your first post that -

Much, much more significant is the earth's changing magnetic field. Many more earthquakes and strange behavior of the planet real soon.

It seems pretty clear to me that you're claiming that the changing magnetic field is a much more serious threat than global warming (which according to you is "relatively insignificant"), and yet I can't find any info which backs up this claim. As I said in my previous post, I found the reverse. How do you know that the changes in the magnetic fields are causing tsunamis and earthquakes? (actually, I thought earthquakes caused tsunamis, so I think we can rule out that the magnetic field is causing tsunamis).

I did find one site which says there is no link though -

nolinks://blogstronomy.blogspot.com/2011/03/are-recent-earthquakes-caused-by.html

The important thing, with regards to this post, is that along with these records of magnetic field changes far, far greater than anything we're experiencing now, there is absolutely no convincing evidence to be found that these shifts had any kind of effect on either tectonic activity (earthquakes, volcanoes and the like) or the ability of animals at the time to stay alive (i.e. mass extinctions, etc).

[gizmotron]

It seems pretty clear to me that you're claiming that the changing magnetic field is a much more serious threat than global warming (which according to you is "relatively insignificant"), and yet I can't find any info which backs up this claim. As I said in my previous post, I found the reverse. How do you know that the changes in the magnetic fields are causing tsunamis and earthquakes? (actually, I thought earthquakes caused tsunamis, so I think we can rule out that the magnetic field is causing tsunamis).

("Beware of the next big scary thing: Wobble Globing.") 

[bombus]

("Beware of the next big scary thing: Wobble Globing.")  

Stars wobble, not planets.


BTW, did anyone notice how happy the child looks in my previous post, this thread?

About to get pulverised yet as happy as a pig in mud.

[gizmotron]

Stars wobble, not planets.

I guess Earth is a star. It wobbles. It's just not fast enough to spill the milk though. But that's OK. It's baloney that it will just start wobbling soon.  That's the point. Global Warming made Al Gore a billionaire. Someone needs to get this ball rolling, pun intended.

"The cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis states that there have been geologically rapid shifts in the relative positions of the modern-day geographic locations of the poles and the axis of rotation of the Earth, creating calamities such as floods and tectonic events.

No form of the hypothesis is accepted amongst the scientific community. There is evidence of precession and changes in axial tilt, but this change is on much longer time-scales and does not involve relative motion of the spin axis with respect to the planet. However, in what is known as true polar wander, the solid Earth can rotate with respect to a fixed spin axis. Research shows that during the last 200 million years a total true polar wander of some 30° has occurred, but that no super-rapid shifts in the Earth's pole were found during this period."

[bombus]

I guess Earth is a star. It wobbles. It's just not fast enough to spill the milk though. But that's OK. It's baloney that it will just start wobbling soon.  That's the point. Global Warming made Al Gore a billionaire. Someone needs to get this ball rolling, pun intended.

"The cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis states that there have been geologically rapid shifts in the relative positions of the modern-day geographic locations of the poles and the axis of rotation of the Earth, creating calamities such as floods and tectonic events.

No form of the hypothesis is accepted amongst the scientific community. There is evidence of precession and changes in axial tilt, but this change is on much longer time-scales and does not involve relative motion of the spin axis with respect to the planet. However, in what is known as true polar wander, the solid Earth can rotate with respect to a fixed spin axis. Research shows that during the last 200 million years a total true polar wander of some 30° has occurred, but that no super-rapid shifts in the Earth's pole were found during this period."

And if all this awesome planetary 'confabulation is true'(oxymoron), then why the f*ck are we all so razzed up about some wannabe camel jockey getting shot in the scone by a bunch of wannabe cowboys?

[gizmotron]

And if all this awesome planetary 'confabulation is true'(oxymoron), then why the f*ck are we all so razzed up about some wannabe camel jockey getting shot in the scone by a bunch of wannabe cowboys?

OK, conspiracy freakazoids, dig this:

Obama does this: Pan Am Flight 103, The US government secretly advised Scottish ministers it would be "far preferable" to free the Lockerbie bomber than jail him in Libya.

So he gets "and was reported to have been granted compassionate release on the basis that he had terminal prostate cancer."

Look what ended up happening. He was not fatally ill. He's now a hero back in his own country.


That was a monumental screwup. Killing Usama bin Laden was the right thing to do.

[Mike]

And if all this awesome planetary 'confabulation is true'(oxymoron), then why the f*ck are we all so razzed up about some wannabe camel jockey getting shot in the scone by a bunch of wannabe cowboys?

Exactly, Bombus. 

Why can't the underground elite who are "controlling the planet" do something about it? 

[Davemd]

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"Bin Latte"

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[geoff365]

BBC: al Qaeda Does Not Exist

[gizmotron]

I just love Monty Python, here's some more

War of the Worlds

[Steve]

I don't know what you're talking about in your first paragraph, my point about the nazis was only an analogy for what you're suggesting - that Bush and Cheney had dubious associations THEREFORE they must have been instigators of the war in Iraq - isn't that what you were implying?

ABSOLUTELY. Beyond any reasonable doubt, they both would have made enormous profits from the war. And there are definite connections between the Bush and Bin Laden families. RESEARCH IT. It is very clear. Is it strange Bush's air force buddy James Bath was the financial advisor for the Bin Laden family? Is it coincidence that Bush's oil company Arbusto was financed by the Bin Laden family? I am not meaning to sound condecending, but you dont know what you are talking about.

I'm saying that isn't hard enough evidence, you seem to have made up your mind on it though. And spare me the patronizing lectures; a pretty straightforward case of pot calling the kettle black. You've already made up your mind and and this directs your attention to only those articles or "evidence" which confirms your belief. This is  a well-known fallacy and is called "confirmation bias".

That is your opinion. I for one find it a tad suspicious that president at the time was literally in business with the world's most wanted terrorist. Who knows, maybe it's just my "confirmation bias". Maybe I'm like real dumb. BUT HEY, THIS IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERB. The fact that you are trying to refute this stuff  makes it very clear you lack the knowledge. Learn, then you will feel differently.

It seems pretty clear to me that you're claiming that the changing magnetic field is a much more serious threat than global warming (which according to you is "relatively insignificant"), and yet I can't find any info which backs up this claim. As I said in my previous post, I found the reverse. How do you know that the changes in the magnetic fields are causing tsunamis and earthquakes? (actually, I thought earthquakes caused tsunamis, so I think we can rule out that the magnetic field is causing tsunamis).

Yes magnetic field changes are far more serious than global warming. If you found the reverse, you dont know better.

When the magnetic field of an enormoous sphere is changed, and the enormous plates are affected by the field because of a change of spin, the plates will shift more - their trajectory is changed and there is less equilibrium. It's like smashed glass in a bottle of water. Spin is around in a state of balance, and the shards will be relatively uniformed. But shift the axis of rotation, and the shards will move. aka earthquakes. See nolinks://nolinks.physorg.com/news/2011-01-tampa-airport-runways-renumbered-due.html but there is so much more, although sorry I really dont have time to educate you. What would a 10 degree shift do to such a huge object such as earth? I suppose you think it would all be hunky dory with no significant changes in plates? The shifts are natural, but considering we are approaching a major planetary allignment of 2012, things dont look good from a "natural distaster" perspective.  Keep in mind it is a one in 26,000 year cycle with a very unusual planetary allignment. I'm not talking about astrology and all that stuff. I'm talking about gravity and planet allignment.

Additionally, the magnetic fields are weakening and we dont know why. The magnetic field is what protects us from solar winds that would normally fry earth.

Yes earthquakes cause tsunamis.

BTW, did anyone notice how happy the child looks in my previous post, this thread?

Yes and it is trick photography. The kung fu dude is glued to the ceiling, and the kid is experiencing static electricity.

I guess Earth is a star. It wobbles.

Earth is NOT a ball of gas, drawing in due to gravity and pushing out because of fusion.

Earth does wobble though. It happens a few times a year I think it was.

This thread is a waste of time and it is going in circles. All the information you need is already available. everyone can make up thier own mind. I wont waste more time arguing.

ps geoff365, funny video.

Also see Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist (Documentary) - 1  .... follow the trail. Learn.

[birdhands]

Kung fu dude glued to the ceiling?  No way!

[Steve]

It's true. See attached photo before edit..

[Steve]

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