Gamblers Fallacy (not what you think)

[Zindrod]

Where is claimed strong evidence? Mike Barnett can not be objective person to this matter because he sell device and software for VB.

Anyway, its not up to me which people choose to involve police and criminal charge. Decsion is on them.Its relie on morral education. There is many educated people in jails. Game exist to play not to exploit it - there is nothing respectful in it.
Bank also incoporate protective meassures against thiefs. Casino protect the game to be random to all players with specific rules and regulations and roulette hardware design. If someone have bad intentions and is not there to play - its something entarealy diffrent. I do not symphatetise thiefs and scammers.

You know it is pretty clear that you really have no interest in learning why AP works and what the mechanics are behind it. I don't know why Kelly tries so hard to educate you. Except for that when you refer to roulette and the fact that people look for an advantage and that it is according to you non ethical well you forget that casinos see roulette as a fool proof money machine  (negative expectancy game - house edge) So in their minds YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO WIN. If the really did want to supply a fully random fair game then the payout would of been 37/1. As you hopefully know it's not. It's 35/1. So there is nothing noble about casinos and especially casinos and roulette. They are there to take your money and that is it. You are not suppose to win.

If you believe differently by all means that is your opinion. Continue going to the establishments and go and throw your money away...or like I say..go pay your free tax

[Zindrod]

One more thing. Every single person here whether they are climbing up the wrong tree and are trying to beat the game with systemsor money management or whatever their ways are, every single one here is trying to beat the game and therefore trying to gain an advantage. Therefore your moral values truly are a dilemma to you because you are indirectly saying we should all play a negative expectancy game and loose. Because that is morally right.

[GogoCro]

Zinrod you are mistaken. Any roulette players accepted rules of roulette - nobody force you to play. And to play with only one intention - exploit it with all means neccecary is wrong!
Many players play out of excitement, to test their luck, to be in pleasant company and play. Its life - NOT money making machine and it is not war.
Equal odss roulette exist, by the way.. House advantage exist not to beat players. It exist as paymant to service - nothing is free, so why roulette would be? 37/1 what a nonsense!! With that ecery single bet would be a win! Is it a joke?
Exploiters are NOT in casino to play and have a good time - thas beyond game of roulette.

[Zindrod]

Zinrod you are mistaken. Any roulette players accepted rules of roulette - nobody force you to play. Ant to play with only one intention - exploit it with all means neccecary is wrong!
Many players play out of exicmant, to test thir luck, to be in pleasant company and play. Its life - NOT money making machine and it is not war.
There is no zero roulette or wuqall odds. House advantage exist not to beat players. It exist as paymant to service - nothing is free so why roulette would be?
Exploiters are NOT in casino to play and have a good time - thas beyond game of roulette.

Well this is a first for me. I have never had the pleasure chatting away to someone that believes you should go to the casino accept their rules (knowing you will loose) play randomly (because you are not allowed to try and beat the game, so randomly is the only way or should I say with luck?) Just absolutely crazy. Whether I agree with Ken or Gizmo or not (and I don't) They also believe they have an advantage. So every single person on this forum except for you are wrong...very interesting. I am sorry to say but you are very wrong. Casinos have absolutely no morals. They know the addictive nature of their games and they will encourage you to spend your last cent with a notice at the entrance saying that winners know when to stop. Why are there no windows or clocks in a casino? Why do they give free drinks away? Because they are morally correct and nice people. Bullshit and you know it.

It is war. If it's not war for you then you are the avarage mug punter that they love.

[GogoCro]

With 37/1 odds every single bet would be a win? Is it a joke? In what world are you living - then go exploit banks and steal money - they are immoral too with interest! Are you an idealist? Yes you are right in one thing - they exploit human nature to be gready - but that can be controlled and its a side-effect. But they offer service and players are wellcome - not exploters with disallowed methods!And I claim that no advantage can gain in todays casino with AP!

[Zindrod]

With 37/1 odds every single bet would be a win? Is it a joke? In what world are you living - then go exploit banks and steal money - they are immoral too with interest! Are you an idealist? And I claim that no advantage can gain in todays casino with AP!

Kelly tried to educate you. God knows why. If you believe what you just said good for you and us. The more that believe that AP is not valid the better. 

You are one weird character. Good luck to you in your future (randomly lucky) endeavres.

[Zindrod]

  It's almost the same as with stock brokers. You reckon they should not use tools to make the best buys and sells. Because off course that is immoral. They should ignore the news and computer programs and models. They should just randomly choose their stocks with luck. Yeah that makes a helluva lot of sense 

Or wait. If an Engineer designs a bridge Lord behold if he uses software or tools to help him. I mean we do not want to have an advantage at all. He should just use a pencil and paper. Maybe the bridge won't collapse! 

Or hey what about not having auditors to look after your funds? I mean if the correct tools are used to save you taxes that surely is a crime as well. I mean we should not have an advantage there either! 

You are one funny guy mate.

[Mike]

@ GogoCro, I don't know why you're getting so steamed up when you believe that AP is fiction anyway. To you, an AP is just as deluded as a system player but the system player somehow takes the moral high ground? get real.

When card-counting appeared it actually did the casinos a favor; thousands more flocked to the casinos in the hope of making a killing, but very few actually did. OVERALL, the casinos can't lose, and there will always be those who exploit the weaknesses, but who is being hurt by this?

[GogoCro]

Just talk - theaf defends theafs! I wonder why police was involved in AP matter?
Look in dictionary what cheater really means - until then - go and good luck until police catch you!

[Zindrod]

Just talk - theaf defends theafs! I wonder why police was involved in AP matter?
Look in dictionary what cheater really means - until then - go and good luck until police catch you!

hahahahaha.

The Ritz situation the casino believed that a computer  was used because they won so much money. No device was used as far as I know and therefore they were released with their winnings. There is no law against AP. Casinos have the right of admission and because they are greedy they really would enforce a ban on a successfull AP.

Gogo .. peace man. At least your priest will be proud of you, then again gambling is a sin.  

[GogoCro]

@ GogoCro, I don't know why you're getting so steamed up when you believe that AP is fiction anyway. To you, an AP is just as deluded as a system player but the system player somehow takes the moral high ground? get real.

When card-counting appeared it actually did the casinos a favor; thousands more flocked to the casinos in the hope of making a killing, but very few actually did. OVERALL, the casinos can't lose, and there will always be those who exploit the weaknesses, but who is being hurt by this?

No, no, no. I claim that Ap does not exist in casino this days. Such big tilt/flaw would be spoted and corrected. I am not claim that AP does not work at all in special conditioned presetted wheel.
And yes - system player plays out of hobby - test and create systems for fun- they know that can not work in long term. AP endevur activity is soley to exploit and gain profit! That have nothing with a game itself anymore.ANd its against rules.
I would like to talk about methods/systems playable on ALL wheels.
Maybe my posts went too off topic.

[Zindrod]

No, no, no. I claim that Ap does not exist in casino this days. Such big tilt/flaw would be spoted and corrected. I am not claim that AP does not work at all in special conditioned presetted wheel.
And yes - system player plays out of hobby - test and create systems for fun- they know that can not work in long term. AP endevur activity is soley to exploit and gain profit! ANd its against rules.
I would like to talk about methods/systems playable on ALL wheels.

LMFAO you are a piece of work.

[Zindrod]

Let's for argument sake say I have the HG. And I give it to you. Your moral values would therefore prohibit you from using it becdause according to you it is being dishonest right? 

[GogoCro]

Maybe you want to correct 37/1 odds (as being fair) before many posters see that non-sense - LMFAO

HG - its a non sense as well. I do not want to discuss with non-sense. Well I see that you have to have a last, and I did told that I will leave - thats all I have to say.

[Zindrod]

Maybe you want to correct 37/1 odds before many posters see that non-sense - LMFAO

You have lost me. What are you trying to say. Please explain in morally correct ways please...

[Zindrod]

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