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Started by winkel, August 20, 2008, 09:42:05 AM

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winkel

QuoteIn the first example, I assumed you added the 1x and the >1 to get 18.  Now I want to do that again.  If not, why not?

@TCS

this is correct!

At first stage we have two columns:
R and N
R (not appeared)
N (appeared once)

At second stage we have two columns:
N and F
N -> once
F -> more than once

At third stage we have two columns:
F2 -> numbers appeared twice
F>2 -> numbers that appeared more than twice

At fourth stage
F3 numbers appeared 3 times
F>3 number appeared more than 3 times

I hope you see the logic

br
winkel

Boo_Ray

real play: +41units, potential +68 if I would bet every trigger

StarStar

oh my gosh... i cant understand at all..

i cant see any logic..

can someone help me explain this system

TwoCatSam

Quoted from winkel:

At first stage we have two columns:
R and N
R (not appeared)
N (appeared once)

Not once did I see a column headed R or N.

What we did have was:

no.  0x  1x  >1

Did I miss something?

Sam

Herb

I hate to be the voice of common sense on this thread, but I should probably speak up.


For starters, the random game of roulette is a game of independent trials.  This means, regardless of what has hit on the previous spins, no number is any more likely to hit than any other number. 

This means the law of the third will not in any way aid you with your bet selection.

Unfortunately, Winkel's system will not perform any better than guessing the numbers at random will perform.

When in doubt, always test before risking real money.  Testing can be fun, but losing money sucks.

-Herb

winkel

Quote from: TwoCatSam on August 20, 2008, 10:11:29 PM
Quoted from winkel:

At first stage we have two columns:
R and N
R (not appeared)
N (appeared once)

Not once did I see a column headed R or N.

What we did have was:

no.  0x  1x  >1

Did I miss something?

Sam

I´m just bored to write "appeared" so I changed to the names I used in the diagram and in my thread " view at statistics" that´s all.

R =  "Rest" not appeared
N = "Normal" appeared once
F = Favorites " appeared more than once
F2 = numbers appeared twice
F3 numbers appeared 3times
F4 = 4 times
etc.

row 0 is R
row 1 is N
row >1 is F

br
winkel

winkel

Quote from: starstar on August 20, 2008, 09:59:54 PM
oh my gosh... I cant understand at all..

i cant see any logic..

can someone help me explain this system

it is so simple. When you don´t see any logic you have to read again and test with your own numbers.

One can explain it to you, if you ask questions. When you go do a doc and you say "I´m ill" without any further desription he might give you something for a cold but you got cancer

br
winkel

winkel

Quote from: Herb on August 21, 2008, 01:52:21 AM
I hate to be the voice of common sense on this thread, but I should probably speak up.


For starters, the random game of roulette is a game of independent trials.  This means, regardless of what has hit on the previous spins, no number is any more likely to hit than any other number. 

This means the law of the third will not in any way aid you with your bet selection.

Unfortunately, Winkel's system will not perform any better than guessing the numbers at random will perform.

When in doubt, always test before risking real money.  Testing can be fun, but losing money sucks.

-Herb

You are the picture of an idiot
This don´t refer to numbers that have spun before
This is not the law of third - It is the binomial distribution
This is not a system - It´s only a bet selection
It performs well without doubt.


@moderators: If this guy is allowed to disturbe this i will stop right now.



Boo_Ray

Quote from: Herb on August 21, 2008, 01:52:21 AM
I hate to be the voice of common sense on this thread, but I should probably speak up.


For starters, the random game of roulette is a game of independent trials.  This means, regardless of what has hit on the previous spins, no number is any more likely to hit than any other number. 

This means the law of the third will not in any way aid you with your bet selection.

Unfortunately, Winkel's system will not perform any better than guessing the numbers at random will perform.

When in doubt, always test before risking real money.  Testing can be fun, but losing money sucks.

-Herb

Herb I partly agree with you, but you should check how this method works and it is not about random selection of numbers.. This method uses events that will happen for sure, even if next spins are independent (because ball cannot drop into numer 37 and then 38 and 39 and so on, well enough about "common sense").. q: What method does? a: It tells you when to jump into the game.. And timing is very important

And what I realy like is that you don't have to risk alot of money - you dont need 1000unit bankrol, you dont even need 100units..
I think that winkel realy did a great job on this one..

Well herb I know that your post wasn't suposse to be negative, it was just some tipe of warning, but you can't just say that this method woul'd do same as picking random numbers.

Sorry If I said something wrong..

Will do more testing

cya

Boo_Ray

Fun test @dublinbet  41spins: +43 units, potential +66 if betting every trigger..

Lanky

QuoteWinkle said
You are the picture of an idiot
This don´t refer to numbers that have spun before
This is not the law of third - It is the binomial distribution
This is not a system - It´s only a bet selection
It performs well without doubt.


@moderators: If this guy is allowed to disturbe this I will stop right now.

Hi Winkle.

Mate no-one wants you to stop.
There are people counting on you to make them better players.
I know that I am one of those.

However seeing this is an open thread & at the moment everyone is entitled to their opinion includeing Herb.
I fail to see where Herb has done or said anything at the moment that We as Moderators could admonish Him for.

I have a suggestion for you.
Why not ask Victor if he will give You Your own section.
Then you can be the Moderator Yourself & You could Delete or remove anything You don't like.
I think that this would be the solution most suited to Your Needs Mate.

Your Friend

Lanky



TwoCatSam

winkel

Take Herb with a grain of salt.  Perhaps he means well.  I did a lot of study on your system last night. 

Boo_Ray seems to have a handle on it; maybe the rest of us will come aboard.

Sam

Clothdog

Winkel and Boo Ray,

I'm confused. I understand the chart but I'm still not sure how the numbers are selected.
cd ???

TwoCatSam

winkel or Wildcard or Boo_Ray or anyone who can answer this:

Below is a copy with my words is red:

0x  1x >1x
19   13   5 bet 19numbers......on this you add 13 + 5 for 18 and you have 18-19.  That I get  1x + >1x = secondary number.
19   12   6 loss -19
19   11   7
18   12   7
18   12   7
17   13   7
17   13   7
17   13   7
16   14   7
15   15   7 bet 15 numbers.....here if you do as above, 15 + 7 = 22.  So you have 15 - 22.  How is that a bet on 15 numbers.

This is like climbing a tree:  If the first limb breaks and you hit the ground, the second limb doesn't much matter.  This math question is the first limb and I'm lying in the dirt. Let's please speak of the first problem and then we'll get to the others.

Sam

TwoCatSam

Someone think about this:

I say, "Nineteen numbers have not hit in this trot."  You ask, "Of the ones who have hit, how many hit twice?"

Suppose I say, 4 or 7 or 10 or whatever.........

In the final analysis, you have 19 unhit numbers regardless of how many doubles hit.  Now, if you're counting the doubles, it's different.

You do count them at the first of the trot, and it seems you don't at the second bet.

Why?

We can't sweep this under the rug anymore than we can the 0.

Sam

TwoCatSam

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