It all comes down to a method. It has some basic guidelines. Self control, discipline, and awareness are the key ingredients to this strategy. There are no triggers. There are no progressions.
1. Any lost bet is an indication of a potential change in the conditions.
2. Determine what is currently happening in the trends.
3. Attack the currently occurring condition until it changes.
4. Don't continue placing bets when swarms of first bets lose.
5. Never chase after your losses.
"determine what is currently happening in the trends" - crackers.
The problem that I am sure most people find here is that the trend is just about over when they hop on board. No one has explained adequately enough how to catch these trends from the beginning. You really only need one win and can profit nicely. You can mostly guarantee at least one win if you have the parameters set right and then don't get silly chasing after a loss.
Quote from: Bally44 on March 30, 2012, 08:05:12 PM
"determine what is currently happening in the trends" - crackers.
The problem that I am sure most people find here is that the trend is just about over when they hop on board. No one has explained adequately enough how to catch these trends...
All you have to do is ask. Try this. Every 150 spins there are around two to three sleeping dozens. If you wait five sleepers to try them you still have a 63% chance of winning the first bet and a 40% chance of winning the second bet. After that it is all profit. 15% of the time you will profit beyond breaking even on taking the chance. That's long term odds. If you win two in a row then the third win odds is 25% for all those independent outcomes types. That will happen 98 times in the next 150 spins. ... but I don't care much about the odds. I just care about the current state of the variance.
Quote from: crackers on March 30, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
Every 150 spins there are around two to three sleeping dozens.
Geez, you must have a lot of time on your hands.
To speed things up, make more dozens than the
three you see by using the streets. You can follow
at least half a dozen 'dozens' and find twice as
many sleepers.
Quote from: cheese on March 31, 2012, 12:59:26 AM
Geez, you must have a lot of time on your hands.
To speed things up, make more dozens than the
three you see by using the streets. You can follow
at least half a dozen 'dozens' and find twice as
many sleepers.
I have 12 sets or dozens, one set of the ten digets, and the three sets of ECs. I can track them all on a single 5/7 inch index card. All of the dozens react with the same similarities and characteristics. The ten digets are the most susceptible to very powerful win streaks. These groupings are 1 11 21 31, 2 12 22 32, 3 13 23 33, etc...
Thanks for the advice crackers but I don't like the idea of needing to win three times to make a profit. That looks like an accident waiting to happen IMO. I envisage a winning method hitting on the first spin for a profit which you can either take or go one more looking for a run. Nothing to stop anyone using the JP philosophy of regression here either. You want to keep as much of your cake as possible.
To elaborate a little further. A lot of study needs to go in to develop parameters which you can trust in. As an example, I played three games or mini games as I like to call them yesterday afternoon. I started betting on spin 7. I won on spin 7 and 8 and lost on spin 9. The betting for the next game started on spin 7 again. I won again on spin 7 and 8 and lost on spin 9. The third game saw me start betting on spin 8. I got lucky in this game because I won on spin 8, 9, 10 and 11 before losing on spin 12. I would have stopped any game if I lost the first bet.
As much as the parameters are pretty solid, I still have to appreciate the nature of randomness and be open to a little bit of flexibility. However if things stray too much, I have the option of not betting. So I guess what I am saying here is that randomness can actually have some pretty constant characteristics. The secret to discovering this IMO is keeping games very short. Remember Murphy's Law.
Quote from: Bally44 on March 31, 2012, 08:06:07 AM
Thanks for the advice crackers but I don't like the idea of needing to win three times to make a profit.
You can stop on any first bet win and be in profit. You place equal sized bets on the other two dozens/columns etc... respectively. A real sleeping dozen, that's any 12 numbers, sleeps for about 15 spins in a row. I'm saying to attack all real sleeping dozens by betting on the other two that aren't sleeping. There are two very interesting positive progressions that fit this situation too. One of them has a take a little as you go component to it also. But after two wins, flat betting, there is no risk, if you know what I mean?
Here is a nice form of regression for real sleeper:
10 -- 10 -- 0
15 -- 15 -- 5
20 -- 20 -- 10
25 -- 20 -- 15
30 -- 30 -- 25
35 -- 35 -- 45
30 -- 30 -- 90
Total win equals 190 in seven steps. It pays 100 by step six. So you in profit by the step four win. If you have real guts you can start several of these staggered after each win. A quality formed sleeper can be a huge prize if you know how to exploit one.
Quote from: crackers on March 30, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
Every 150 spins there are around two to three sleeping dozens.
You track 12 sets of dozens and you only see
two to three sleepers in 150 spins? That can't
be right.
This is an honest question, not a slam or a dig or anything else............
How does a person define a "sleeping dozen"?
Sam
Quote from: cheese on March 31, 2012, 04:55:50 PM
You track 12 sets of dozens and you only see
two to three sleepers in 150 spins? That can't
be right.
It's correct for one set of three, like the low, middle, and high dozens.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 31, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
This is an honest question, not a slam or a dig or anything else............
How does a person define a "sleeping dozen"?
Sam
I'll make a personal observation. I think it's any dozen from any set that does not hit for 14 spins or greater than that. Every once in a while a dozen will sleep up to 30 consecutive spins. You can see them in a chart instantly. If you can't then you have a less than advantageous chart.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 31, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
This is an honest question, not a slam or a dig or anything else............
How does a person define a "sleeping dozen"?
Sam
When 2 lines/regardless which/don't hit 9 spins.
Nine spins......
Gotcha!
Thanks....
Quote from: crackers on March 31, 2012, 05:10:11 PM
It's correct for one set of three, like the low, middle, and high dozens.
Did you figure that out after I pointed to the
fact you can track more than 3 dozens at
once?
Quote from: cheese on March 31, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
Did you figure that out after I pointed to the
fact you can track more than 3 dozens at
once?
I've been tracking more than three dozens for years. Have you noticed the columns? I've also been tracking another set of three based on their location on the American wheel. Once you start using the inside layout you can make up hundreds of custom sets. Having said that, when it comes to both odds or characteristics, it's all the same.
I get it. You are working on your father roulette skits again. You like claiming you invented this and that because you want open discussion hijacked . Nobody is interested in who or why any topic originated with you. If anything they are interested in asking questions, giving answers, or getting answers. The topic is characteristics of randomness and how to exploit them. Why don't you dazzle us all with your fatherly advice.
Quote from: crackers on April 01, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
You like claiming you invented this
If you think you or I invented making more
dozens up, you're deluded. It was looked
at 200 years ago. I investigated it for 6
months in 2008. Knock yourself out. I
abandoned it because its not feasible. You
should never bet more than the bet returns.
It'll bury you eventually.
Quote from: cheese on April 01, 2012, 02:51:10 AM
If you think you or I invented making more
dozens up, you're deluded. It was looked
at 200 years ago. I investigated it for 6
months in 2008. Knock yourself out. I
abandoned it because its not feasible. You
should never bet more than the bet returns.
It'll bury you eventually.
Why should anyone listen to an admitted failure? You can't see what I see. You can't do what I can.
Quote from: crackers on April 01, 2012, 03:36:59 AM
You can't see what I see. You can't do what I can.
Just more blah blah blah from Gizmo. He'll tease
and tease and go away in a huff. Yawn..
Quote from: cheese on April 01, 2012, 05:18:25 AM
Just more blah blah blah from Gizmo. He'll tease
and tease and go away in a huff. Yawn..
Ok, that's fine Spike (Cheese). You had your little disruption. Now please go somewhere else to make yourself useful.
Getting back to the topic, For many years on these forums I refused to demonstrate or prove my claims. I thought that these methods would be seen as so easy that the casinos would shut things down. The mathboyz had a field day with there almost endless drowning argument to prove it. That's the difference now. I'm willing to talk about it and prove it. So far I've pointed out that One set of dozens/columns/whatever has a few long sleeping section of 12 about every 150 spins. To prove that will be tedious, but not impossible. This discussion is about focus on one characteristic of randomness. If after all these years people have no interest in this then I'll just write a book and prove it by others interested in it.
"Everything in the arsenal." That's how I go after these few opportunities. I use other smaller successes to pay for the chances I take with these big opportunities. It's been said hundreds of times before. You must make it a war. It's not a recreation where you throw away some entertainment money.
Quote from: crackers on April 01, 2012, 11:08:00 AM
"Everything in the arsenal." That's how I go after these few opportunities. I use other smaller successes to pay for the chances I take with these big opportunities. It's been said hundreds of times before. You must make it a war. It's not a recreation where you throw away some entertainment money.
I dont get what you are trying to accomplish here. Stay away from sleeping dozens. Usually do not sleep more than 25 spins and once a day you can get betting opportunity but you never know.
All other systems based on betting on single dozens are always doomed to fail because of... the way they hit.
regards
Many here have made it clear that they have seen or made use of some form of 12 numbers sleeping. I'm suggesting that the most powerful attack method is to let the house's money ride.
Imagine taking 7 sets of 10 & 10 each. You take off one set for each win. The first set rides one spin. So you take off 30 for that set and that first win. Now you have 6 sets that have all grown to bets of 15 each. So on the next win you take off 45 for the second winner. The remaining 5 sets grow to 22 each. This keeps going until you take the final set at the seventh win. In just seven spins you hammer the casino. You are in profit after three wins. So you need to find a way to at least get three wins in a row that can have a 66% chance of winning on each spin. The best way to get 66% odds is to also target the sleeping zeros. They sleep all the time. Another great feature of randomness in the dozens are the streaks of singles. They tend to come in stretches that last about 12 spins as opposed to the sleepers at 16.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on April 01, 2012, 12:13:24 PM
All other systems based on betting on single dozens are always doomed to fail because of... the way they hit.
If you see a sleeping dozen then place equal sized bets on the other two dozens that are not sleeping. While the sleeping condition continues you win. Your bet selection process is based on the coincidental trend. A trend that has no cause for its existence other than being a random coincidence.
Quote from: crackers on April 01, 2012, 12:39:52 PM
If you see a sleeping dozen then place equal sized bets on the other two dozens that are not sleeping. While the sleeping condition continues you win. Your bet selection process is based on the coincidental trend. A trend that has no cause for its existence other than being a random coincidence.
Hello Crackers
Could you be more clear in your explanation of your strategy? Im bit lost here. What are the sets of 10 and 10?
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on April 01, 2012, 01:04:37 PM
Could you be more clear in your explanation of your strategy? Im bit lost here. What are the sets of 10 and 10?
If dozen 25-36 sleeps then you put 10 on dozen 1-12 and you put 10 on dozen 13-24.
You must know what a sleeping dozen is because you commented on a "+20" sleeping dozen back on March 18th.
Hope that makes it more clear.
If you must bet 2 dozens at once, and I don't recommend
it, do it only on a single zero wheel. The two zero wheel
will kill you. Because you're betting twice as much as you'll
win (ouch), when you make a bad decision and the zeros gang
up on you, in just a few spins you can be 6-8 units behind
and never get caught up. Its a good way to play when everything
is going great, and horrible when things are not going great.
Betting two dozens with a progression doesn't beat the house
edge, far from it.
Quote from: crackers on April 01, 2012, 01:58:23 PM
If dozen 25-36 sleeps then you put 10 on dozen 1-12 and you put 10 on dozen 13-24.
You must know what a sleeping dozen is because you commented on a "+20" sleeping dozen back on March 18th.
Hope that makes it more clear.
Thats fine but how can you tell that a dozen will sleep many times in a row? I see dozen sleep for more than 15 spins basically every day and i play slingshot for 5 or 6 hours a day. The longest streak was 25 but im aware that 30 is possible but extremely rare.
If you want to bet on double dozens just bet against one dozen that hit 4 times in a row. It happens quite often. I never saw more than 7 hits although 12 or 13 could happen. Just do 1,3,9,27 but i use sometimes 1,3,6,15 for wins just on 2 first steps.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on April 01, 2012, 10:55:56 PM
If you want to bet on double dozens just bet against one dozen that hit 4 times in a row.
You'll notice that a dozen that hits like 7-8 out
of 10 spins in all likelihood will sleep for awhile, making
the other dozens hot. This is often a good clue to
use instead of just waiting for a dozen to obviously
sleep. It doesn't work all the time, but it works often
enough. As often as anything else.
Quote from: cheese on April 02, 2012, 12:17:46 AM
You'll notice that a dozen that hits like 7-8 out
of 10 spins in all likelihood will sleep for awhile, making
the other dozens hot. This is often a good clue to
use instead of just waiting for a dozen to obviously
sleep. It doesn't work all the time, but it works often
enough. As often as anything else.
Hello Cheese
Yeah if you right you make few quick wins in a row. And the other dozen you bet on might become hot too.
Regards
Quote from: cheese on April 02, 2012, 12:17:46 AM
You'll notice that a dozen that hits like 7-8 out
of 10 spins in all likelihood will sleep for awhile, making
the other dozens hot. This is often a good clue to
use instead of just waiting for a dozen to obviously
sleep. It doesn't work all the time, but it works often
enough. As often as anything else.
Gamblers fallacy is no substitute for the condition actually occurring. The proper method, when it comes to randomness, is to observe what conditions are actually occurring. You bet on conditions that when they continue you win. Reading that something tends to be due is another bet selection process. Especially this one suggested by cheese.
The advantage to betting after a dozen has 7-8 hits is
you often get in on the bottom a sleeping dozen instead
of getting in on the middle. Also if a dozen is hitting that
often, it means another dozen has been sleeping. Its all
connected together, its takes a long time to get the
rhythm of it. There are no rules in random outcomes,
change is the only constant.
Quote from: cheese on April 02, 2012, 05:27:28 PM
... Its all
connected together, its takes a long time to get the
rhythm of it. There are no rules in random outcomes,
change is the only constant.
Truer words where never written. You can use many methods that target randomness. The important feature to find is in finding the randomness that is working. That's when you put your money on the table. The bet selection process is only the tool. It's like detection equipment for roulette. Once you've found the randomness that is working it is then that you use your flat bets or your MM that best fits the working conditions.
Quote from: crackers on April 03, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
Once you've found the randomness that is working
I don't know what this means. The randomness is
always 'working', its always unfolding. You have
to understand what its telling you at all times, or
you're doomed to failure.
Quote from: cheese on April 04, 2012, 05:01:04 AM
I don't know what this means. The randomness is
always 'working', its always unfolding. You have
to understand what its telling you at all times, or
you're doomed to failure.
I know what it's telling me. The point is can I show others? People give up on it because part of randomness deals with times that the reading of it momentarily triggers stretches of increased losses. Of course randomness is always working. What is not always working is the bet selections are not always cooperating. That alone is information about randomness too. One of the most powerful things you can learn about randomness is that when it is not One thing then it must be something else. That leads to knowing what the conditions are. If you know what they are you can use that knowledge to your advantage.
Quote from: crackers on April 04, 2012, 12:04:39 PM
I know what it's telling me. The point is can I show others?
No, the point is can I show the casino so I can
get paid. Screw 'others', let them find it on
their own.
Quote from: cheese on April 04, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
No, the point is can I show the casino so I can
get paid. Screw 'others', let them find it on
their own.
LOL!
Thanks for the help cheese. :lol:
Looks like we've run out of cheese. I think we're going to need more crackers! :lol:
whine goes good with cheese and crackers!
G'day,
I usually have a wine (Merlot) before a whine!
(I miss Nathen Detroit and His wittiness)
Glenn.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 04, 2012, 07:24:38 PM
whine goes good with cheese and crackers!
No need for whine. I happen to know from experience that teaching a
few interested people - that everything will not rapidly come crashing down.
I'm going to prove it too. When cheese said that you must get into the Rhythm
of this in order to succeed. He gave it all away. I would say that you need to
get in synchronization with what is currently happening. Never the less you must
first learn how to use the basic tools. After that comes using them in sinc. The reason
there is no danger of wrecking everything is that it takes years of practice and experience
to become a danger to any casino.
Basic Tools
Sticking with double doz/com/whatever bets, there's the streaks of singles in series occasions to look for. Here is a very common tool. When there is no streak of singles and at the same time there is no sleeper. As long as that condition continues you can almost guess with certainty the absence of singles & sleepers. It's easy to see in properly formatted charts.
Quote from: crackers on April 05, 2012, 01:56:42 PM
Basic Tools
Sticking with double doz/com/whatever bets, there's the streaks of singles in series occasions to look for. Here is a very common tool. When there is no streak of singles and at the same time there is no sleeper. As long as that condition continues you can almost guess with certainty the absence of singles & sleepers. It's easy to see in properly formatted charts.
WOW ! What`s next ?
Nathan Detroit
It's one thing to get good at reading the features and characteristics of randomness. It's entirely another thing discussing using this as a bet selection process. There is a disconnect that must be addressed. This will not come easy for anyone that has little experience with the tools.
There's one thing to keep in mind. The key tactic is to win on anything that continues. Any time you get a loss that is an indication that the condition changed. There is one outcome that ends the condition. It can only lose on the first attempted bet once. It can go on winning for many spins. On each individual spin the odds are the same. Yet you can only lose the first attempt once.
There are ways to win the first bet and still keep the seven stepped positive progression going with no risk. In the example back a few pages the bets are 10 &10. If you place a first bet of 30 & 30 then on your next bet you place a bet of 15 & 15. You've pocketed your original first bet and you are at step two of the progression. You take that step on the winnings of the first bet.
what if you loose?
:blush2:
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Quote from: albertojonas on April 06, 2012, 06:43:56 PM
what if you lose?
:blush
I don't want to figure out that string of spins. You need to just explain what it means to you. Like what condition you see, how you bet, and how you began to lose.
When I lose I stop betting on condition. The only time I'll keep going is when a dominance condition is occurring. That's when a condition is 90% or better.
Your systems lose because you play through the killer sequences. So what is a killer sequence?
There are times when the Black Jack dealer kills off everyone at the table for several hands at a time. The reason is that the deck is arranged with a lot of cards that favor the dealer. You can observe several hands to see if you should join a table. This simple tactic can save you from entering the game in a disadvantaged condition. This same principle applies to Roulette. Most systems use blind rules and triggers. With that your system must play through unfavorable conditions. If you don't give up on Roulette first you will eventually give up on rules and triggered based systems.
If you stick with Roulette you will eventually consider the current conditions and work with methods that deal with favorable sequences really work.
Would be great to have XXVV post on this thread.
As well as Gizmotron :)
can't rely on dozens. too stiff patterns. it is like betting one of 3 combinations of 12 numbers. Think about it. How stiff this pattern is. U got only 3 choices. Not good, not good!
(that's why they created "nice" convenient table layout)
Quote from: iggiv on April 21, 2012, 06:35:17 PM
can't rely on dozens. too stiff patterns. it is like betting one of 3 combinations of 12 numbers. Think about it. How stiff this pattern is. U got only 3 choices. Not good, not good!
Bayes has a great thread for catching EC's. He's using DBL to catch trends. It catches the start of singles or streaks of reds or blacks. The only thing that kills it are doubles. Doubles are rare as a trend.
But with the dozens, the sleeping dozen is king. You just flat bet until it ends. Now there are many aspects to discuss regarding this. After all, that's the point of a forum.
It is not hewn in stone that one must play dozens on the table layout . There are better ways to win with dozens the proper way or as Frank sang " I did it my way ". :yahoo:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
better you "spread" your patterns playing trends -- better results u will get. 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 18 different numbers -- all is OK for catching trends from time to time. "Less stiff" and more flexible u r -- more alive u r :)
The flexible 22 are the key. :ok:
N.D.
P.S. To crackers. Some casinos do NOT permit mid shoe entry at BJ . :diablo:
Quote from: crackers on April 06, 2012, 07:23:58 PM
I don't want to figure out that string of spins. You need to just explain what it means to you. Like what condition you see, how you bet, and how you began to lose.
When I lose I stop betting on condition. The only time I'll keep going is when a dominance condition is occurring. That's when a condition is 90% or better.
please explain how a condition is 90% or better. you mean by condition the interpretation you make from the random flow. -At those interpretations i believe you call tools.
Quote from: iggiv on April 21, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
better you "spread" your patterns playing trends -- better results u will get. 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 18 different numbers -- all is OK for catching trends from time to time. "Less stiff" and more flexible u r -- more alive u r :)
I have nine individual sets or 12 numbers based on their location on the American wheel. These are memorized so I can track them in charts more easily. Now there's the six dozens in the table layout too. I also haves set that's sometimes dozens and sometime EC 's. That set is digital. 1, 11, 21, 31, -- 2, 12, 22, 32, -- 3, 13, 23, 33, ... 0, 00, 10, 20, 30. The first set are the 1's, the second set are the 2's... etc. The last set are the tens or the zeros.
Quote from: crackers on April 06, 2012, 07:23:58 PM
I don't want to figure out that string of spins. You need to just explain what it means to you. Like what condition you see, how you bet, and how you began to lose.
That string of spins was just for you please illustrate the tools you would use and what do you see hat is exploitable. i mean this in a concrete example, so we (i) can get the feel of it.
Cheers
Also my question What if loose was addressed to the regression method of many management the you propose. The thing is how to deal with a bad swing. Flat betting two dozens as previously?
Lets put it this way, you make your first bet 10 & 10 if you loose you are 20 minus. You do not chase your loss and the condition you were betting is gone. how to deal with this?
Quote from: crackers on April 11, 2012, 01:27:36 PM
Your systems lose because you play through the killer sequences. So what is a killer sequence?
,,,
If you stick with Roulette you will eventually consider the current conditions and work with methods that deal with favorable sequences really work.
When "reading" the random flow one should be able to adapt and play through any circumstance. Besides we all know the less exposure, better the odds.
Cheers
Quote from: albertojonas on April 21, 2012, 09:00:17 PM
please explain how a condition is 90% or better. you mean by condition the interpretation you make from the random flow. -At those interpretations I believe you call tools.
Have you ever noticed this before? When it changes to black it repeats black for at least five or six times. Then when it hits red it repeats for six or seven hits. It keeps this up for a while. It's still a long streak. Its just not a pure streak. Here's another one. You get eight blacks in a row, one single red, and then ten more blacks in a row. It's not a pure streak of blacks, but almost as good and highly profitable.
Quote from: crackers on April 21, 2012, 09:20:59 PM
Have you ever noticed this before? When it changes to black it repeats black for at least five or six times. Then when it hits red it repeats for six or seven hits. It keeps this up for a while. It's still a long streak. Its just not a pure streak. Here's another one. You get eight blacks in a row, one single red, and then ten more blacks in a row. It's not a pure streak of blacks, but almost as good and highly profitable.
it repeats just as many times as it doesn't.
a single that follows a series = a series that follows a series
what are you referring to? Ecart (STD)?
Can you be more explicit?
Quote from: albertojonas on April 21, 2012, 09:16:59 PM
Lets put it this way, you make your first bet 10 & 10 if you lose you are 20 minus. You do not chase your loss and the condition you were betting is gone. how to deal with this?When "reading" the random flow one should be able to adapt and play through any circumstance. Besides we all know the less exposure, better the odds.
Good question. I'm glad it was asked. I only go for it if I won the previous bet. My first bet is 20 & 20. I then try the 10 & 10 if I won the first bet. Another way to get a free trip is 30 & 30. If you win then your second bet is 15 & 15, the second step. I like to play at a 30 & 30 bet level as a kind of flat bet level. I always try to take a free trip for that seven sleepers in a row.
Quote from: albertojonas on April 21, 2012, 09:23:44 PM
it repeats just as many times as it doesn't.
a single that follows a series = a series that follows a series
what are you referring to? Ecart (STD)?
Can you be more explicit?
You can't see trends. You must look for them in charts. There are examples of my charts around here somewhere. If not here then at the other VLScc forum. Perhaps someone else could post an example.
Quote from: crackers on April 21, 2012, 09:43:53 PM
You can't see trends. You must look for them in charts. There are examples of my charts around here somewhere. If not here then at the other VLScc forum. Perhaps someone else could post an example.
you can see them when they already happen. Another story is try to catch them. And that is called speculation.
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if this is the chart you want... anyway.
Can you be specific?
Specifically speaking, there are two things to know. First there's the global effect. Second there's the awareness that the bet selections are working. The entire point of using the trends is to allow yourself a stretch of continuous spins. With that you can shorten your day with a big win. Everything else is about hanging around and staying close to even. In other words, you stay out of big drawdowns. When the time comes to strike you should know it.
Quote from: crackers on April 21, 2012, 09:37:37 PM
Good question. I'm glad it was asked. I only go for it if I won the previous bet. My first bet is 20 & 20. I then try the 10 & 10 if I won the first bet. Another way to get a free trip is 30 & 30. If you win then your second bet is 15 & 15, the second step. I like to play at a 30 & 30 bet level as a kind of flat bet level. I always try to take a free trip for that seven sleepers in a row.
that still doesn't answer the question
Quote from: crackers on April 21, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
Specifically speaking, there are two things to know. First there's the global effect. Second there's the awareness that the bet selections are working. The entire point of using the trends is to allow yourself a stretch of continuous spins. With that you can shorten your day with a big win. Everything else is about hanging around and staying close to even. In other words, you stay out of big drawdowns. When the time comes to strike you should know it.
that indeed seems fair and ideal.
May you suggest a strategy to recognize entry points?
Quote from: albertojonas on April 21, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
that indeed seems fair and ideal.
May you suggest a strategy to recognize entry points?
There is only one way to learn this. You must practice finding the entry points on your own. It must become something of your own meaning and experience. You need to find a way to break even for hours. Then you need to strike when it happens. Sure there will be trials that don't pan out. That's all part of hanging close to even. That's the point of all the practice. The experience you give yourself is the proof. With that comes confidence.
Quote from: crackers on April 21, 2012, 10:52:43 PM
There is only one way to learn this. You must practice finding the entry points on your own. It must become something of your own meaning and experience. You need to find a way to break even for hours. Then you need to strike when it happens. Sure there will be trials that don't pan out. That's all part of hanging close to even. That's the point of all the practice. The experience you give yourself is the proof. With that comes confidence.
ok. Can you disclosure what works 4 your experience?
Quote from: albertojonas on April 21, 2012, 10:54:25 PM
ok. Can you disclosure what works 4 your experience?
I've learned to simplify and focus.
I thought that more sets of dozens, combined with the EC's would increase my opportunities.
It's more important to stay focused. As they say "Less is more." I just watch the activity on the outside.
I track from a distance. I reach in with bets. It looks like hit and run but it's not.
That's pretty much it. So that's exactly how I practice.
I have real chips, a real table layout, and I use live spins from Germany.
I keep my charts on 5/7 inch index card. Just like real play.
You've got to keep your chops up.
i am asking for practical entry points. What do you find that works?
Quote from: albertojonas on April 21, 2012, 11:25:02 PM
I am asking for practical entry points. What do you find that works?
By trial and error I search for any characteristic that continued. I then hit it. If it stands up then I hammer it for that big win. If not then there is a small setback. So you fight back the last loss. For me it's very basic.
Quote from: crackers on April 21, 2012, 11:38:24 PM
By trial and error I search for any characteristic that continued. I then hit it. If it stands up then I hammer it for that big win. If not then there is a small setback. So you fight back the last loss. For me it's very basic.
can you give 2 or 3 examples of those favorable conditions?
Quote from: albertojonas on April 21, 2012, 11:40:23 PM
can you give 2 or 3 examples of those favorable conditions?
Can you chart the doz, col, r/b, o/e, and L/H? I use x's like this |___x_|__x__|_x|
My goal is to see where things hit at a quick glance.
ok
here we go.
/Users/albertojonas/Desktop/Captura de ecrã - 2012-04-22, 04.10.42.png
Perfect. You can duplicate that on index cards for real play.
OK let's see if you can see this. You have a dominance of singles in the dozens. You have four doubles. Do you see that?
Quote from: crackers on April 22, 2012, 12:24:57 AM
Perfect. You can duplicate that on index cards for real play.
that is what i do. what about the examples? :give_heart:
Quote from: albertojonas on April 21, 2012, 11:40:23 PM
can you give 2 or 3 examples of those favorable conditions?
That stretch would kill the casino. First off I would have waited for each single to return in the dozens. I would then use my regression styled positive progression on the singles. Two of them would reach the sixth step's payoff. The others would have all payed too. This is a solid example of a dominant condition continuing to work. can you see it? Had I flat bet I would be way ahead
Had I flat bet singles only. I would have a net win of 20 wins.
back later...
... continued -- as per post: April 21, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
In the last ten spins there's a sleeping dozen in column 3. At the same time the other two columns have a short lived dominance of doubles. The way to bet this situation is to bet twice as much on the potential double, the same as each last spin. While at the same time placing half as much on the other column that is active. All the while by ignoring the sleeper until it awakens. Had this condition continued for ten more spins it would be an example of a huge opportunity. Trust me, things like this happen all the time in Roulette. Don't believe me? Try charting real spins published on the internet. If you know how to find opportunities it will be impossible for you to ignore these occurrences any more. They are like bags of gold just waiting to be picked up.
Quote from: crackers on April 22, 2012, 12:39:16 AM
That stretch would kill the casino. First off I would have waited for each single to return in the dozens. I would then use my regression styled positive progression on the singles. Two of them would reach the sixth step's payoff.
The first would loose on the 6th step as it forms a series D3 (number 26 repeats)
so if you start betting with 30-30 next step could be let it ride 45-45 or a more conservative 15-15 (ride the winnings) or even something in between both, like pocket half the winnings and add up to next bet making your second bet 22-22 (pocketing 16 units).
How exactly do you proceed in your regression styled positive progression on the singles?
Thanx a lot Gizmo
Quote from: crackers on April 22, 2012, 12:39:16 AM
First off I would have waited for each single to return in the dozens.
So this is one condition. after a series you wait for each single to return to each dozen. i mean you wait for every dozen hits D1 D2 D3 in any sequence of course.
??
just to make it clear as water.
Quote from: albertojonas on April 22, 2012, 11:08:31 AM
How exactly do you proceed in your regression styled positive progression on the singles?
Check my posting at: March 31, 2012, 11:57:03 AM
Singles are simple. You bet on the other two dozens that did not hit on the last spin. If singles continue then it must be one of them or the zeros. On that, regarding the zeros, if they are over active, you might want to back off progressions until they cool off.
Quote from: albertojonas on April 22, 2012, 11:19:18 AM
So this is one condition. after a series you wait for each single to return to each dozen. I mean you wait for every dozen hits D1 D2 D3 in any sequence of course.
??
just to make it clear as water.
Once you define the trend for yourself the bet selections become logical for you. The trend is an occasional double salted among a dominance of singles. Another example could be triples among doubles. It could be elegant. It could be a sleeper in D1 while a perfect pattern of singles in D2 & D3. You must see the trend.
Quote from: crackers on April 22, 2012, 11:30:44 AM
Once you define the trend for yourself the bet selections become logical for you. The trend is an occasional double salted among a dominance of singles. Another example could be triples among doubles. It could be elegant. It could be a sleeper in D1 while a perfect pattern of singles in D2 & D3. You must see the trend.
That is a posterior analises. What about the entry point? As the exit point you refereed previously it was when a Loss occurs.
Quote from: crackers on April 22, 2012, 11:20:54 AM
Check my posting at: March 31, 2012, 11:57:03 AM
Singles are simple. You bet on the other two dozens that did not hit on the last spin. If singles continue then it must be one of them or the zeros. On that, regarding the zeros, if they are over active, you might want to back off progressions until they cool off.
Quote from: crackers on March 31, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
Here is a nice form of regression for real sleeper:
10 -- 10 -- 0
15 -- 15 -- 5
20 -- 20 -- 10
25 -- 20 -- 15
30 -- 30 -- 25
35 -- 35 -- 45
30 -- 30 -- 90
Total win equals 190 in seven steps. It pays 100 by step six. So you in profit by the step four win. If you have real guts you can start several of these staggered after each win. A quality formed sleeper can be a huge prize if you know how to exploit one.
Quote from: albertojonas on April 22, 2012, 11:46:55 AM
That is a posterior analises. What about the entry point? As the exit point you refereed previously it was when a Loss occurs.
You've come to the heart of trend play.
I suppose you could have a box of favorite rules that best fit each trend you find.
That would be only half the story. You need experience so you can know how
to react quickly to changing conditions. It's easy when things are continuous.
You need lots of experience dealing with bets that don't work. You are going to
be hit with them until you flow into sequences that continue. That will happen
every time you play. This is why I can teach this without danger of closing down
casinos. Most of you will not get past this learning curve. Some of you will get angry
and make declarations that it does not work. That will be useful to those that get
the necessary experience required to be good at it. I just created several millionaires.
I wonder how many angry people will come of this thread. It's not on me. You have
the charts, the trends, and the need for experience using them. I can't make you do
that. Experience only comes from work. You will answer your own questions with it.
Some of you will say I dodged the question.
I've been telling it for years. "Test as you go."
The trend that matters is your win trend. If you
are in a downturn, like a hole, then stop digging.
If you get a loss then do what you must to get
back to even. Fight to stay even. Grinding out
a steady slow climb is boring. It often lulls you
into a hole. That's why I'm always prepared to
pounce on an active opportunity. So the start
point is nothing more than trial and error. You
can blindly use DBL if you want to. I use the best
trend that I see. The best way to practice is to make
a bet on every spin. This way you will experience
losses. You will learn about the flow of opportunities.
If you want to know how this works then you should be able to answer these questions :
What is a dominance? What is a sleeping dozen? What is a series of one, double, and triple? What is a perfect pattern? What is a "Global Effect?" What does visual dexterity refer to?
Quote from: crackers on April 23, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
If you want to know how this works then you should be able to answer these questions :
What is a dominance? What is a sleeping dozen? What is a series of one, double, and triple? What is a perfect pattern? What is a "Global Effect?" What does visual dexterity refer to?
Are you talking to me?
:blush2:
Quote from: crackers on April 23, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
What is a dominance? What is a sleeping dozen? What is a series of one, double, and triple? What is a perfect pattern? What is a "Global Effect?" What does visual dexterity refer to?
I've kept my mouth shut thru most of this thread and
I'm keeping it shut now. Though its very very hard..
Quote from: albertojonas on April 23, 2012, 04:55:21 PM
Are you talking to me?
:blush2:
Anyone attempting to understand.
Quote from: crackers on April 23, 2012, 05:59:58 PM
Anyone attempting to understand.
i got what you told me and i am working on my "arsenal" of observed conditions. I were wright all the way -my visual dexterity is improving.
i am learning by heuristics, trial-error. And adapt!
=)
Over at Gamblers Glen there's a guy named Spike. He says he is an expert on reading randomness by looking back only three to four spins. I'm not that good at it but 3 & 4 spins back is great for seeing changes to the randomness flow. One way to learn to read randomness is to notice what things aren't. If you notice that there are no singles yet it's still chaotic. You have a valued clue. It pays to learn as many characteristics as you can.
Quote from: albertojonas on April 22, 2012, 12:12:11 AM
ok
here we go.
/Users/albertojonas/Desktop/Captura de ecrã - 2012-04-22, 04.10.42.png
Those charts are great. Could you add a line number to each line. It makes discussion much easier . Put up a new chart with line numbers and I'll point out the trends.
Quote from: crackers on April 23, 2012, 06:26:09 PM
Those charts are great. Could you add a line number to each line. It makes discussion much easier . Put up a new chart with line numbers and I'll point out the trends.
OK
=)
Quote from: albertojonas on April 23, 2012, 06:48:10 PM
Nice chart.
Absence of singles in R/B - lines 2 - 17
Dominance of high numbers in L/H lines 19 - 27
Dominance of sleeper in D1 lines 8 - 29
Dominant sleeper in D3 lines 27 - 43
C1 has lower than average numbers with only one double...
... that's 8 losses in 46 spins. Almost every time C1 hits it hits as a single.
any bets for the future outcomes?
Quote from: albertojonas on April 24, 2012, 09:46:51 AM
any bets for the future outcomes?
Potential sleepers in D1 and C1.
There's a domination in black and even. I would bet on all black/even numbers.
I would also bet on the zeros too. This is a one or two spins bet.
The zeros are active. This is less important on the European wheels.
potential mumbo-jumbo :)
Quote from: iggiv on April 24, 2012, 07:46:23 PM
potential mumbo-jumbo :)
Are there any more questions? My intent is to keep going until those that
want this end up succeeding in proving that I could teach them the
impossible . This is the time. This is the chance. It's all for free. I will
keep this up until it has an impact on the world. Those that reject it
will be well exercised in rationalizining their excuses. For those that
want this. Just ignore the noise. They just want attention.
I am sorry man.
take it easy. i was just pulling your leg, no offence. Keep it up.
I didn't have the time but i will look into it today.
Iggiv is a teaser, but he has great knowledge on the game.
Love you all.
Educated Coincidence - ever heard the phrase "educated guessing?" Well that's
misguided. It's not that exactly. It's more a circumstantial coincidence. Many people
learn better when they know where they are going and what it is that they eventually
hope to learn. The point is to get in synchronization with coincidence. It's never
been about prediction. When you follow the trends & the bets work that is nothing
more than a coincidence. It is on the otherhand something that you can craft
into a skill. The casinos can't prevent you from targeting circumstantial coincidence.
They can't prevent it from occurring either.
Quote from: crackers on April 24, 2012, 10:06:23 PM
It's all for free. I will
keep this up until it has an impact on the world.
In case you haven't noticed, its not even having
an impact on this forum, let alone the world. You
can't beat the game with a bet that only pays back
half what the bet was. No matter how clever you
are.
Hi Gizmo . . . Great thread . . .lots to explore.
Right now I am just concentrating and testing Repeaters and the effect of Dominance.
The question is does dominance have any effect on repeaters?
If you have a dominance of 30 Reds to 20 Black and your next 4 spins are all Red;
If I understand your previous post, the bet will be Red until the repeating stops.
If the next 4 spins were Black, we would still bet the repeater Black even though it is dominated by Red.
Thanks . . . Nick
Quote from: cheese on April 25, 2012, 04:42:14 PM
In case you haven't noticed, its not even having
an impact on this forum, let alone the world. You
can't beat the game with a bet that only pays back
half what the bet was. No matter how clever you
are.
That's funny. The only real danger is being exposed to the zeros twice during the
process to achieve balance. It takes two spins to balance the EC's. It takes three
spins to balance double dozen bets. In the end there is balance other than the
zeros. You are not the expert you would want people to think you are. Any way, I'll get to
the even chance bets.
Quote from: Nickmsi on April 25, 2012, 05:23:01 PM
Hi Gizmo . . . Great thread . . .lots to explore...
Thanks . . . Nick
There are several topics to discuss that can apply to what you said. One is the
existence of the global effect, not yet discussed. The other is that the dominance
of the reds was a good stretch. It's was about time for a change. You had good
evidence of a change. You would have had a good stretch with the reds. Yes, I would
change to black. But before I did that I would seek a better trend.
Many people have asked me about the short term results where you look back three
spins. There's not much information there on its own. If it exists, you want to identify
an existing context. I've referred to this as the "global effect." This way of seeking
context is a way of attempting to find an over all characteristic that is in a condition
of continuing. So it gives a similarity to meaning for those three spins back. The best
way to show trend information is by illustrating it by example. Perhaps some people
here can post examples that either shows this or that they can ask questions about.
Hi Gizmo . . Not sure if this qualifies for global effect but this is what I have found so far. I am still dealing with sleepers, repeaters and dominance right now.
You said earlier that a dozen sleeps 12 times about every 150 -200 spins or so. I did a test in Excel for 1,000 spins at a time and confirmed this. The attached Excel worksheet shows the following results for 30,000 spins.
It showed 268 dozens slept 12 times or more.
Then I asked myself, what are the odds of that dozen continuing to sleep or waking up. We have seen so many systems based on this belief that it is "bound" to wake up so start your progression engines.
I then tested to see how many of the sleeping dozens woke up and how many keep sleeping. The results were 66% kept sleeping and 34% woke up. Spot on for the "math guys". It makes no difference if it is the first spin or after 12 sleeping spins, the odds are the same. Each spin is independent, etc.
Since randomness is in a constantly changing state, I asked myself, would one of the characteristics of randomness, ie, Dominance, have any effect on these sleeping dozens.
The Dominant Dozen is the one that has been spun more often than either of the two others. If after 200 spins dozen #1 = 70, dozen #2 = 75, dozen #3 =55, dozen #2 is the dominant dozen.
I tested for 50,000 spins and found 428 dozens that slept for 12 spins or more. Of that number, 274 continued to sleep (about 65%) which is expected.
However, of that 274 dozens that continued to sleep, 212 of them were not the dominant dozen. That's 77%. It was 79% of the not dominant dozen that woke up?
It appears that the condition of Dominance is continuing. I am not a math guy, but it appears that if we bet only on the submissive dozens that we would win more? Can someone interpret these results?
Thanks . . . Nick
PS on this Excel spreadsheet, simply press function key F9 to get another 1000 spins and a new breakdown of dominance so you can test it yourself.
Nickmsi, that's great. I can't wait for this topic to have it take on a life of its own.
Other people will take the lead. You will learn about the nature of randomness
with your computer. I spent years on hot numbers. Eventually you will become
confident that randomness just acts common.
This is cool. If you identify a trend that continues then you can treat it like
an ATM machine. If it continues then its like knowing what comes next. Even
though you have no idea what comes next it works that way if it continues.
Nicksmi -" I am still dealing with sleepers, repeaters and dominance right now."
Don't leave out singles in series. They go on runs too.
Quote from: crackers on April 26, 2012, 05:01:15 PM
If you identify a trend that continues then you can treat it like
an ATM machine.
The fantasy that never dies. Casino=ATM
Quote from: cheese on April 26, 2012, 05:28:48 PM
The fantasy that never dies. Casino=ATM
The thread disrupter is here. You will not learn anything.from him. He knows just
about everything but won't share anything. He does hope to take this topic off
course if he can. Why, you will have to judge for yourself. Up till now he has been
effective because he knew I was still guarding my secrets. But that's all changed
now. I'm answering all the questions and attempting to give answers that include
details.
Identify the trend.
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When the change comes it repeats at least two more times. That's an example of
the global effect.
If you apply yourself, and with illustrations like this, you will learn to identify
enough characteristics to make trend identification a very common craft.
Quote" As far as what you posted on the global effect. You said that when a change happens it repeats itself at least 2 more times. By the example you gave I'm a little bit confused. Could you possibly clarify a little more? Are you taking about the duration of the streaks/chops or are you talking about it reversing, because in the example the R/B go on runs of the same duration as the opposite one before it.
Also, do you consider a lost bet as a trend change, or is it just an indication the trend might be changing. Do you stop betting and re-evaluate or move to something that might be starting to form a better trend."
It's much easier to deal with all enquiries here.
Let's look closer at what happened. rrrrBBBBBrrrrrBBBBrrrrrrBBBrrrr
Red hit 4, 5, 6, & 4. Black hit 5, 4, & 3. With the Black hitting just three
times in that last time after it changed to Black it hit just two more
times.
Regarding your second question: It depends on what kind of trend you are following.
If you are following a dominance then you want to continue as long as it continues.
If you are following a specific pattern then you want to stop following it with pattern
styled bets. But you may wish to start betting it again if it shows that it was just a hiccup.
Sometimes the perfect pattern transitions to a dominant pattern before it disappears.
Some of you just don't believe any of this. You've demanded proof from me
for years. I've had that proof all along. Just go over to the German websites
that have archived past spins from real Roulette wheels. If you see 12 reds
in a row then you were just looking at a bag of gold.
Now many of you admit that on its own it's a great opportunity but you also
demand that attempting to bet on trends gives you enough losses to make
going after them pointless. And you didn't think I was listening.
Here is the trick I kept to myself. It only takes one or two trials to get
into the positive position. That means that each time you attack a potential
trend you need to win the first half of the balance point in EC's and the first
two in the double dozen bets. After that it's all gold.
So how do I do it? I do it by always playing to stay even or to hold on to my
rising position. That ability is a craft in and of itself. It a prerequisite skill. You
will fail at this without that skill. Anyone could attack the trends if it didn't matter
how much they lost trying. A child could do it. But it's not that easy, is it?
Ok, you just want to talk about what you do. Fine, just
remember you asked for it.
Whats your hit rate per 100 bets, given 5-6 zeros per
100 bets. That should be easy to answer, you say
you've been playing this for years. How many times
are you right per 100 bets and how many times are
you wrong. I know what my hit rate is and so do
you, I announced it 5 years ago.
Quote from: cheese on April 28, 2012, 02:07:44 AM
Ok, you just want to talk about what you do. Fine, just
remember you asked for it.
Whats your hit rate per 100 bets, given 5-6 zeros per
100 bets. That should be easy to answer, you say
you've been playing this for years. How many times
are you right per 100 bets and how many times are
you wrong. I know what my hit rate is and so do
you, I announced it 5 years ago.
What a joke. I never thought about you and what you might do when I started this thread. Nobody cares about what you don't share.
Anyone that knows Roulette knows that streaks of trend types come and go. To keep
track of 100 bets at a time is almost a counter intuitive activity. Only a fool would
expect each 100 bets to be identical or even closely equivalent. My technique is based
on more than three spins back. Mathematically my hit rate is approximately 63%. But
nobody knows how many perfect trends will occur every 100 bets. While that takes
place, those perfect trends, my hit rate is 100%. So based on basic randomness, the
way I see it, It's impossible to claim an accurate hit rate. Every visit to the casino is
a unique experience. Only a fool would expect the same statistics for each visit to the
casino.
"Let's look closer at what happened. rrrrBBBBBrrrrrBBBBrrrrrrBBBrrrr
Red hit 4, 5, 6, & 4. Black hit 5, 4, & 3. With the Black hitting just three
times in that last time after it changed to Black it hit just two more
times. "
What's he trend here? I see several?
Red goes from 4-5-6 and then back to 4? Do we expect Red to repeat the 4-5-6?
Black goes from 5-4-3 and then to what? If it is like the Red, it should be 5-4-3 and back to 5?
Or is the trend simply that Black is going in descending order, 5-4-3-and the next should be 2?
Red ascends 3 consecutive times (4-5-6), Black descends 3 consecutive times (5-4-3). Is this the trend we expect to repeat?
Thanks . . . Nick
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The chances of seeing that sequence are virtually nil. How many years would one have to wait to see that?
Get you a huge ol' bankroll and bet a Martingale against that happening. You'll spend years winning if you don't chicken out or hit the table limit.
Sam
Cracker and Cheese, how about having some fun here, a little virtual competition? someone will give u some spins (as many as u need), u can give your virtual bets and stakes, and we will see how u r doing? then u can prove your claims if u want. Won't cost u a dime. How bout that?
Quote from: Nickmsi
Red goes from 4-5-6 and then back to 4? Do we expect Red to repeat the 4-5-6?
Black goes from 5-4-3 and then to what?
Nick, those patterns could most certainly continue. They could be some form or a perfect
pattern. You can always risk one bet on it to find out. But I just made it up to illustrate the
existence of the over all simplest trait. I want to communicate examples of the global effect.
It's not an easy concept to grasp. Some times there are trends without a larger context. In
fact most of the time there is no larger over all context. But when there is it can be highly
profitable.
Thanks Sam. Are you sure you want to recommend the Martingale?
I'm attempting to communicate concepts and illustrate characteristics. All the
examples are exaggerated in order to make seeing them easier. I dare you to
prove that when red changes to black or when black changes to red that the
reds will never repeat at least two more times before changing to black. The
same goes for the black. I'll bet someone can find a sequence at the Wiesbaton
archives that is more complex than my example here and that will be from a
sequence of real spins.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 28, 2012, 10:52:18 AM
rrrrBBBBBrrrrrBBBBrrrrrrBBBrrrr
The chances of seeing that sequence are virtually nil. How many years would one have to wait to see that?
Get you a huge ol' bankroll and bet a Martingale against that happening. You'll spend years winning if you don't chicken out or hit the table limit.
Sam
Quote from: iggiv on April 28, 2012, 11:34:49 AM
Cracker and Cheese, how about having some fun here, a little virtual competition? someone will give u some spins (as many as u need), u can give your virtual bets and stakes, and we will see how u r doing? then u can prove your claims if u want. Won't cost u a dime. How bout that?
How about some better fun than that. How about finding examples of randomness
characteristics from archives of real spins and demonstrating them here. They would
be qualified proof of concept.
look, those blurry "characteristics" don't mean anything to most of the people. Result do.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 28, 2012, 10:52:18 AM
rrrrBBBBBrrrrrBBBBrrrrrrBBBrrrr
The chances of seeing that sequence are virtually nil. How many years would one have to wait to see that?
Get you a huge ol' bankroll and bet a Martingale against that happening. You'll spend years winning if you don't chicken out or hit the table limit.
Sam
You sure ? I saw 18 L in a row last nite on SM. Yeah yours is a bit longer sequence.
Quote from: iggiv on April 28, 2012, 02:53:47 PM
look, those blurry "characteristics" don't mean anything to most of the people. Result do.
If you have no interest in the characteristics of randomness then why all the
urging to show you a demonstration. I'm no good at spoon feeding children.
I understand your impatient demanding authority. We all do. You want a life.
Don't blame me if you surround yourself with those that complain to you.
I guess you consider them all the proof you need. If you want to stop me
from publishing this here I can find another way to do this.
Quote from: crackers on April 28, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
If you have no interest in the characteristics of randomness then why all the
urging to show you a demonstration. I'm no good at spoon feeding children.
I understand your impatient demanding authority. We all do. You want a life.
Don't blame me if you surround yourself with those that complain to you.
I guess you consider them all the proof you need. If you want to stop me
from publishing this here I can find another way to do this.
You are a very serious individual MR Crackers. Cant you crack a joke? :agree:
Gizmo-Crackers, I was thinking better of u. U take it to the personal level.
I do not intend to shut u up, I told u. I was ASKING, not demanding.
Your dodging showing real results, and stuff which u try to pile on me PERSONALLY just shows how serious teacher and roulette player u r. That's a good answer to someone who just tried to ask u for showing REAL RESULTS.
I am not touching your personal life (like u tried with me) in return, I have no interest in it, and it has nothing to do with roulette.
but your weird attitude does. I doubt very much that u can show real good results.
well, thanx for your nice reply anyway. Go on with "blah-blah-blah". I knew nothing would come out of it.
Quote from: crackers on April 28, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
If you have no interest in the characteristics of randomness then why all the
urging to show you a demonstration. I'm no good at spoon feeding children.
I understand your impatient demanding authority. We all do. You want a life.
Don't blame me if you surround yourself with those that complain to you.
I guess you consider them all the proof you need. If you want to stop me
from publishing this here I can find another way to do this.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on April 28, 2012, 03:17:00 PM
You are a very serious individual MR Crackers. Cant you crack a joke? :agree:
Sure, I'm ending Roulette after more than 200 years of effort from others.
Quote from: crackers on April 28, 2012, 03:51:36 PM
Sure, I'm ending Roulette after more than 200 years of effort from others.
Its about time :pleasantry:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 28, 2012, 10:52:18 AM
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The chances of seeing that sequence are virtually nil. How many years would one have to wait to see that
I overlooked this. My mistake. It so easy for me to see thousands of permutations of
significant sequences. They are significant to me because I've trained myself to see
patterns. I was crucified by everyone for suggesting the existence of the elegant pattern.
I see them so easy that it's like child's play. A primary tool that I depend on and most
people prefer to deny their existence. It took me years. That's not knowing for sure that
it was even real and why back then. But I know for sure now. My very biggest wins are
because of them.
Quote from: crackers on April 28, 2012, 04:30:43 AM
Every visit to the casino is
a unique experience. Only a fool would expect the same statistics for each visit to the
casino.
Good god. Its an AVERAGE, it has nothing to do
with how you did yesterday or this morning.
Its an AVERAGE of all your hundreds of sessions
together. Its the yardstick of how you measure
your play. If its 63% you're screwed. Breaking even
on playing two dozens at once is 66%, and thats
without the zeros. Progressions won't save you
in the long run.
Quote from: crackers on April 28, 2012, 03:51:36 PM
Sure, I'm ending Roulette after more than 200 years of effort from others.
Not by playing the dozens. There's only one way
to beat roulette and its the EC's. Interestingly,
in the book Monte Carlo Anecdotes, written over
100 years ago, the author details about 10 popular
systems that date back into the 1800's. Every
single one of them involves the EC's. None for
the dozens, none for the inside numbers. It all
comes down to the EC's. Weird, huh. Too bad you
weren't around then, Gizmo, you could have set
him straight. LOL!
Quote from: cheese on April 28, 2012, 05:00:59 PM
Not by playing the dozens. There's only one way
to beat roulette and its the EC's. Interestingly,
in the book Monte Carlo Anecdotes, written over
100 years ago, the author details about 10 popular
systems that date back into the 1800's. Every
single one of them involves the EC's. None for
the dozens, none for the inside numbers. It all
comes down to the EC's. Weird, huh. Too bad you
weren't around then, Gizmo, you could have set
him straight. LOL!
[/quote Dosent mean he beat the game.
Quote from: crackers on April 28, 2012, 11:54:39 AM
Thanks Sam. Are you sure you want to recommend the Martingale?
I'm attempting to communicate concepts and illustrate characteristics. All the
examples are exaggerated in order to make seeing them easier. I dare you to
prove that when red changes to black or when black changes to red that the
reds will never repeat at least two more times before changing to black. The
same goes for the black. I'll bet someone can find a sequence at the Wiesbaton
archives that is more complex than my example here and that will be from a
sequence of real spins.
Just a snack from Dublinbet yesterday.
High Limits table. Dealer Val. Game numbers: 1.951.874 to 1.951.909
Spins:
16
5
7
8
14
8
7
17
0
1
16
34
15
6
8
36
2
31
30
32
33
35
31
28
14
34
32
1
36
20
31
32
13
29
10
22
Oldest number 16
What do I see here? Along with the variants i work with:
16 5 7 8 14 8 7 17 0 1 16 34 15 6 8 36 2 31
All are low numbers except for one 0 and 34. So dominance is low numbers till 31 when rythm is broken.
A "dirty little secret" by the way, number 0 is low and odd. How is it? Look at the numbers disposition on the wheel:
3 26 0 32 15
odd even 0 even odd
odd
due to numbers characteristics distribution along a single 0 wheel you won't see something like this:
even even even or odd odd odd ( three consecutive numbers bearing the same characteristic)
So in my example 0 wont change my mind about keeping on betting low numbers. After 34 (lose bet) shows you see another low number. You go on betting low numbers till 36 (another loss) but you keep betting low, then it comes 2 (win) 31 (loss) and stop betting. The former pattern is finished.
For me playing inside bets something extraordinarily happened here.
Numbers 5 7 8 14 8 7 belongs to the same family or wheel layout: 4 5 6 7 8 14 22 25 32 33 35 36
As dominance was on low numbers the showing pattern let me bet on 4 5 6 7 8 14 when i got the second repetition ( thierd appeareance) of same group. A God's gift just playing six numbers winning three consecutive spins.
The session continues as reported above like this:
(31) 30 32 33 33 35 31 28 14 34 32 1 36 20 31 32 13 29 10 22
After 30 you bet high will go since the wheel is throwing larger series than 2. 33 confirms my suspicions. 14 is a loss but i keep betting high expecting this low number comes isolated. In previous pattern while low was being favoured it occured high numbers were isolated (34 and 36).
Further on number 1 is a loss. But i keep on high numbers. Number 13 a loss again but i continue betting high. 29 is a win. 10 is a loss and i stop betting. 22 shows me there can be a string of singles coming ahead or not?!.
There are more things to account for from this permanence than these ones exposed but i wanted to remark those related to high/low scheme.
That's all folks.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Great examples Carlos . . . Dominance and Singles in the High/Low number set.
I also noticed that this series of numbers had a Dominance of Evens?
Thanks
Nick
Great example Carlos.
Here are a few more tidbits. Often in a session I'll have a steady rise, one that
includes a few losses, where there will be a small setback. It becomes obvious
to me that its like reaching a wall that is difficult to get past. The temptation is
to try to force your way past it. I'll try to use larger bets to get things moving
again. This is often a mistake. You can't force randomness to act the way you
would wish it would. You must go with what it gives you and at the speed that
it deals it out. Chasing your losses is a well known mistake. So when you hit
these little walls use them as signals to stay cool and minimise your risk.
Following randomness is not easy. It's hard to be agile. Experience is gained
from practice. That's the main reason I use computers to practice. It's worth
it to practice as real world as you can. I use a real felt layout and real weighted
chips. I fill out real hand written charts. I use real live spins from online sources.
I do this so that my rhythm is real. It teaches you to analyze in time to make bets.
Quote from: cheese
It all comes down to the EC's. Weird, huh. Too bad you
weren't around then, Gizmo, you could have set
him straight. LOL!
That's OK chump. I'm here to set you straight. The real world is more than just your
EC only world. The fact is that I explained balance in this thread and it obviously has
gone right over your head. By the way. Why don't you prove it? You are fast becoming
irrelevant. Can't you see the world wizzing by?
BTW, I was asked to tell a joke. I thought ending roulette was self depricating humor.
I was accused of using a progression yesterday. This was my response to that:
" ..., you know nothing about a graduated level of risk based on the likelihood that the next best trend to follow is related to it also."
I don't flat bet. I use minimum bets when I think caution is prudent. I up the bets when
more likely trends tend to dominate. If that looks like a progression to some people then
what can I do about it. When you get good at this you will enjoy using mini attacks on the
current conditions.
Quote from: crackers on April 29, 2012, 01:16:49 PM
If that looks like a progression to some people
Of course its a progression. When you progress
your bets, thats a progression.
Mr Roulette Expert.
well, his progression was very light i should say. 5, 10, 20 -- these were his only bets.
Quote from: cheese on April 29, 2012, 05:06:09 PM
Of course its a progression. When you progress
your bets, thats a progression.
Everyone knows that progressions proceed by their rules until a win occurs or until it
limits out. There are no rules. Spike just wants to talk off topic. If he wants to debate
that educated guessing combined with multiple sized bets is a progression then have
him start a new thread. He could bring it up at the thread I created for him.
Quote from: crackers on April 29, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
Everyone knows that progressions proceed by their rules
Progressions can have rules or no rules. It can be whatever
you feel is correct at the time. I see people playing bac who
make up progressions as they go all the time. A woman will
bet $100, lose, and bet $300, lose and bet $700 and win. The
next series will be entirely different. It doesn't matter, a progression
is a progression is a progression.
Anyone notice tbat Spike has taken the topic of all the randomness threads over to
progressions?
Anyone with half a brain knows that multi-level betting is hiding right around the corner
like a two ton gorilla in the room.
THAT DOES IT. I'm done forever. I'm leaving all the forums forever. Spike is your best hope now.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 12:29:30 AM
THAT DOES IT. I'm done forever. I'm leaving all the forums forever.
Anybody notice a pattern? Last year Gizmo threatens
to shut down roulette. Does demo, fails miserably,
disappears 'forever'.
Comes back this year and does the exact same thing.
What about all that money he claims he won in the
casinos. Did he make that up? Say its not so..
Quote from: cheese on April 30, 2012, 01:49:17 AM
Anybody notice a pattern? Last year Gizmo threatens
to shut down roulette. Does demo, fails miserably,
disappears 'forever'.
Comes back this year and does the exact same thing.
What about all that money he claims he won in the
casinos. Did he make that up? Say its not so..
--If anything he is getting nearer to ppl.listening.
What about you Spike.Did you ever contribute with
anything,except your sarcastic remarks.You have to eat
tons of cheese before you come near Gizmo.He is doc
for you.You know why????Couse you never ever show
anything all these years but empty talk.Don' go Gizmo,
let the parrot sweat.
Guizmo,
just stay, and keep going, i was improving and learning a lot from you.
Cheers
Quote from: albertojonas on April 30, 2012, 07:13:50 AM
just stay, and keep going, I was improving and learning a lot from you.
You already have all I can teach you. You have the charts. You have the basic
characteristics. I could only describe what I know from Experience. I don't
think that you can gain worth while experience from reading about it. You
have far more than I did when it came to figuring this out. You have the
simplest roadmap. It takes experience to know that complicating this does
not necessarily make it better. It just adds more options to see more
opportunities. All you need is more personal experience.
Those of you that end up successful at this will end up being the force that
inevitably silence the critics. Those of you that try this and fail will end up
being the topic of fascinating discussion. Many people will want to know
why you failed. I want to know why some of you failed. It can't be that you
were more interested in finding a rule based system that makes it a life
altering dream come true.
You don't need me anymore. I just argue with those that have an agenda. You have what
you need. I lit the spark. Let's see if Spike can put out the fire. I'm betting that he can't.
It's up to you that pursue this to fend off the disinformation coming from him. He just
makes things up. He is frightened that I made all this easy to understand. It's obvious
for anyone to see why. He won't share any of his secrets. Have him tell you why he won't
share anything. It will end up telling you everything you need to know.
My dear Gizmo,
Yes it all comes to experience...know it couse am in 8th.decade,and
those youngies wana get it NOW...which is impossible,therefore can't blame
you that you are giving up,especially with creatures like Spike being around.
I think he is living alone/who can possibly swallow such dram/talking to him
self in some forest part of USA,without any contacts with civilization,trapped by snow
and talking to bears and wolves.....am I right Spike.
Wow, 8 decades - I'm only 6 decades.
Here is a topic I wanted to prove exists:
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=7309&forum=Roulette_Message_Board
I took more heat and ridicule for this topic than any other. I've also experienced three more
elegant patterns since writing this back in 2009.
Thanks, Gizmo for this info . . . can't wait to digest and test it out.
7 decades myself . . . Nick
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 01:50:53 PM
Wow, 8 decades - I'm only 6 decades.
Here is a topic I wanted to prove exists:
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=7309&forum=Roulette_Message_Board
I took more heat and ridicule for this topic than any other. I've also experienced three more
elegant patterns since writing this back in 2009.
Fish on the line is right expression.I usually track about 12 diff.paterns
on evens...outside 6,and lines,columns,dozens 6,and those days don't even use spreadsheet
as watching numbers on display board,last 3 and previous,can spot the paterns in all of these
potencial bets........long years experience,thats all and it takes years to master it,believe me.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 11:33:07 AM
You already have all I can teach you.
No more demo? No more shutting down roulette forever?
I'm terribly disappointed..
Thank goodness for Ken.
Yes Spike you are right. It's a progression.
Sometimes it only has two levels. There are no rule based triggers. But most
Important of all it's never as impotent as your flat level progression Spike.
Anyone that places a bet after a previous bet is progressing. GO AHEAD
SPIKE. TAKE THIS THREAD OFF TOPIC. It is quite clear that many here are
capable of running demonstrations.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 05:01:14 PM
Thank goodness for Ken.
Yes Spike you are right. It's a progression.
Sometimes it only has two levels. There are no rule based triggers. But most
Important of all it's never as impotent as your flat level progression Spike.
Anyone that places a bet after a previous bet is progressing. GO AHEAD
SPIKE. TAKE THIS THREAD OFF TOPIC. It is quite clear that many here are
capable of running demonstrations.
It should be common knowledge that in order to win with several bets, one must wage more on wins than he wages on losses.
gizmo spike is Charlie Edward Hamshire, full of hot air and never shows anything of value he has been here for years he knows how to set up his scams.
so the thread is really dead?
Congratlations spike. You Won :yahoo:
It's not dead. The topic now is Spike claiming that I claim this will put an end
to Roulette. He's got a stiffy rubbing himself silly with that one. I clearly stated
that in my opinion that this is too difficult to learn for many players. If Spike is
right, that several of my students failed at this, then that is proof that there is
no danger. Here is a very interesting thing. Warrior might be right. Spike tried
to sell me his secrets for $10,000 a couple of years ago. He did it off forum with
private contacts that began with PM messaging. I have always wondered if he
uses these forums to fish for suckers. Anyone here been contacted by cheese?
Cheese - huh? Could that be cheese like in a mouse trap?
After all he clearly admit it few years back.
who cares?
just go on with the party!
:girl_wacko:
Quote from: albertojonas on April 30, 2012, 06:31:28 PM
who cares?
just go on with the party!
:girl_wacko:
Should I? It might shut down Roulette.
Do you have any specific questions answered?
Do you understand the concept of graduated risk? It comes straight from
the mantra of Snowman. (He will like this) the odds of the next spin are fixed.
If I lose a bigger bet on an EC then sometimes I'll place half that value on each of a
double doz / col bet. Sometimes I'll place the full value on these double doz / col
bets. There's no fixed rule. But the risk for the next bet is 63% instead of 47%.
I've got a 500 BR so big deal that I'm betting twice as much at risk. I'm using
10 or 20 in an effort to get back the last loss.
Do you understand the concept of waiting to recover? Sometimes I'll wait
until I see a stronger opportunity to attempt to recover a single loss. It is
very important to learn how to recover. It must be done with patience. Always
attack the real opportunities but also keep track of how it's going. Kenny Rogers
is full of it when he says not to count your money at the table. What works for
poker does not apply well to Roulette and randomness.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Do you understand the concept of waiting to recover? Sometimes I'll wait
until I see a stronger opportunity to attempt to recover a single loss.
i do it all the time, also i wait for a bet that i consider more "insured" to recover.
Here's a really interesting thing. I found a way to find elegant patterns more often. I use
the tens grouping. You don't need a chart for this. The one's are 1, 11, 21, 31. All these
numbers have a one in them. There are ten groups, one for each digit in the available
numbers. Some groups have only three numbers in their respective set. The zeros have
five on American wheel.
Often there will be a run of three or four sets. When that happens I attack it
with bets on the those numbers, on the inside table layout. When it's really
good those runs will go on for 30 spins or more. You can't help but get rich
while this trend continues.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 06:47:37 PM
Do you understand the concept of graduated risk?
All progressions are 'graduated risk'. First you
bet 5, then 10, then 15, then 10 and back to
5. Or whatever. When you raise and lower your
bets its graduated risk. Its a progression.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 05:01:14 PM
Anyone that places a bet after a previous bet is progressing.
Progressing at a flat rate. Not progressing
at a higher rate than the last bet. Progressions
are a mind trick. People think they can turn
a negative expectation game into a positive
expectation, and they can't.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
Spike tried
to sell me his secrets for $10,000 a couple of years ago.
Poor Gizmo. He resorts to outright lies to boost
himself up. You wish I had tried to sell you anything
for 10k, let alone 'secrets'. You're still King of
the Balonyfest.
Quote from: cheese on April 30, 2012, 07:45:22 PM
All progressions are 'graduated risk'. First you
bet 5, then 10, then 15, then 10 and back to
5. Or whatever. When you raise and lower your
bets its graduated risk. Its a progression.
That's fine. Its a progression. So what? I make it work for me. We will take the next year
to demonstrate that this progression works an why it works. As that happens another
progression will be shown to work. You will become more irrelevant than as you are now.
Quote from: cheese on April 30, 2012, 07:53:58 PM
Progressing at a flat rate. Not progressing
at a higher rate than the last bet. Progressions
are a mind trick. People think they can turn
a negative expectation game into a positive
expectation, and they can't.
What a cry baby you are. Aren't you the one claiming you can take a negative
expectation game and beat it? That's a progression without resolution if I've
ever seen one. Why don't you prove your 72% hit rate chump?
Quote from: cheese on April 30, 2012, 07:58:53 PM
Poor Gizmo. He resorts to outright lies to boost
himself up. You wish I had tried to sell you anything
for 10k, let alone 'secrets'. You're still King of
the Balonyfest.
Not only did he demand 10k but he demanded a percentage on my winnings. Yep,
he's a scammer.
IS ANYONE ENJOYING THE CHEESE AND CRACKERS SHOW?
I dont know why you two bother. There really are better things to do. But anyway, gizmo please dont post anything private here.
Quote from: Steve on April 30, 2012, 08:38:55 PM
I dont know why you two bother. There really are better things to do. But anyway, gizmo please dont post anything private here.
OK, I won't post the email where he made the offer. I doubt there would be legal
issues but perhaps there are in this modern world. Thanks for stopping me in time.
I have heard that cheese offered to sell something a long time ago. That alone is not reason to accuse someone of scamming.
What are you trying to achieve anyway gizmo? I may be ignorant here and dont know the full story, but as far as I know you claim to beat random, as does spike. But it seems you both accuse each other of dishonesty. Why bother?
Quote from: Steve on April 30, 2012, 08:54:38 PM
What are you trying to achieve anyway gizmo? I may be ignorant here and dont know the full story, but as far as I know you claim to beat random, as does spike. But it seems you both accuse each other of dishonesty. Why bother?
In a nut shell I'm sharing what I have considered trade secrets. He is not. I've kept things to
myself for over five years. This thread is where I'm doing it. Spike is just being Spike.
When he's not around there are no disruptions. There's no arguing going between
me and others here. I'm just attempting to politely answer questions.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 09:17:34 PM
In a nut shell I'm sharing what I have considered trade secrets. He is not. I've kept things to
myself for over five years. This thread is where I'm doing it. Spike is just being Spike.
When he's not around there are no disruptions. There's no arguing going between
me and others here. I'm just attempting to politely answer questions.
Gizmo,
What is your best strategy as far as reading/playing random in regards to the even chances while flat betting?
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on April 30, 2012, 10:09:03 PM
Gizmo,
What is your best strategy as far as reading/playing random in regards to the even chances while flat betting?
I tried it for a few years. It's pathetic. Minimizing opportunity and putting handcuffs
on betting opportunities is less efficient. When you deliberately ignore an opportunity
just to follow some guru's mountain top Zin belief then that leaves you wide open to
limited opportunities. Randomness has far more opportunities than just EC & flat betting.
So my answer is that I don't have a strategy.
I may not have a best strategy for the EC's but I do look for opportunities in them.
There's the usual dominance, singles, doubles, and patterns. But a great thing is
About when it is chaotic it's more about what they are not. If it looks like nothing
that is when you use the absence of a trend to show you what's continuing. If it
continues to not be a string of singles and it also is not a dominance of one side
then that is information that you can use too.
Quote from: crackers on April 30, 2012, 10:50:25 PM
I tried it for a few years. It's pathetic. Minimizing opportunity and putting handcuffs
on betting opportunities is less efficient. When you deliberately ignore an opportunity
just to follow some guru's mountain top Zin belief then that leaves you wide open to
limited opportunities. Randomness has far more opportunities than just EC & flat betting.
So my answer is that I don't have a strategy.
By observing minimal opportunities in the even chances regarding trends, can it then be assumed that the even chances produces the most chaotic of results? If its usually chaotic the majority of the time, then this can likely be exploited in expecting it to continue in a chaotic fashion and betting for it to continue. Almost as if you have to bet in a deliberate chaotic fashion on purpose while staying away from the 'obvious' trends, or anything you can easily 'see,' to gain the advantage.
Your thoughts?
BarCode -" Your thoughts?"
That's what I do with it. I like the way you put that. Chaotic is the trend so
bet chaotic.
How long do you chase a first loss? Only once. The art of getting back to even must
include avoiding dropping into a deep trench. If you don't immediately make a
comeback then you need to immediately give it up. Come back to it later. There
will be a very strong win streak later. Grab it then. ( hence the need for graduated
bets )
Thanks for keeping this going crackers...
:good:
Every session is different. It's a good idea to always be prepared to find an
exotic, perfect, or extended pattern. But more important to watch for is
session flow. Some sessions will be more difficult than most others. In
cases where you just don't seem to be getting anywhere it's best to quit while
you are ahead. If it's really a trudge it's sometime best to quit while you are
behind.
Less is more. Yes, it's true in this too. Only one problem. Those of you beginning
to learn this are predetermined to analyze more complexity in order to gain a full
understanding of randomness' nature. I was not able to avoid this. It will cloud
your impression for a while. In the end it will strengthen your confidence. It is
the final level in understanding randomness. It's after this that you seek
simplification and increased focus. Confidence comes with experience.
It's the time to deal with magical beliefs. There's always a thread or two dealing
with pet groupings of numbers. Kimo Li is the perfect example of this. People
want to believe that because the grouping is based on position sequences on
the wheel that the distribution of randomness will confirm a weakness in
randomness not existing in the randomness of table layout groupings.
Until they get past these beliefs they are destined to suffer their own
form of self imposed confirmation bias. That's the pitfwll here. If you
are looking at the believed perception and not the more simplistic nature
of randomness then you end up using the fiction and less the real state
of the conditions.
What is the simplistic nature of randomness? In terms of beliefs, there will always be two or more points of view that will challenge the perception of one person or another.
What appears highly complex may be simple to someone else. What may seem simple to someone is extremely difficult for others. What I do is simple from my point of view.
Ask me to drive on an unfamiliar road, I cannot tell you which direction is north, south, east, or west. I am directionally challenged. Put me in a building with windows, I can tell you the exact direction.
It's all relative. Neither is right or wrong. If it works for you, so be it. If not, oh well. To discredit someone's point of view simply means you have no understanding of the concept. It is human nature to align oneself to something that makes sense to the individual, nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, It is human nature to band against something that does not make any sense, nothing wrong with that either.
I just bought some nice shoes. Now that's random.
Kimo Li
Link Li, I'm sorry for this misunderstanding. You just stood up for your methods
appropriately. Its not you that has the magical beliefs problem. I discovered that
randomness treats all groupings equally when size of groups are identical. The only
thing that changes things is the when. The characteristics are the same. In the hands
of the expert these different groupings are simple to follow.
There are people around here that believe that because some numbers are
connected on the wheel, BY ANY DEFINITION OR CONFIGURATIONS, that these
groupings will be less volatile than any table layout groupings of the same size.
I hope you agree. Because there are some really fine superstitious beliefs regarding
certain numbers & certain locations on the wheel after a number has appeared. I
know. I've seen people chase their own favorite demons.
Typical update, covered under "who gives a damn." I've spent this past week working
on using the EC's when all trends are clearly absent in my charts. This is when things
that continue become completely out of sight. I've been able to consistently guess at
a hit rate that averages 64% in EC only while completely ignoring all the obvious trends
that I typically use. This week I will combine things that continue in all my pet groupings
with these same 64% opportunities that I once thought were absence of opportunity. I
hope that I can beat an unsubstantiated 72% that lingers as gratification by father
roulette. That at least is a worthy goal.