I welcome here any questions you may have about the 4Selecta system and I will do my best to answer them.
Mr Chips
HI
I just startet to learn the basics of this system .. so here is my first question
the first Numbers came in like this ..:
25 HG
27 HG
28 LG
33 MG <<<<< this gives me this table>>>> LG MG HG C --- because the section is complete right ?
--------- 1 ---- Also the last number was 33 so i put it into the MG section
9 HG
31 MG
<<<< here i would excpect a LG because C is active (dominant) .. but i dont have a LG number .. so my question is. do i now have to bet the 33 MG ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Continues
25 HG
27 HG
28 LG
33 MG
---------
9 HG
31 MG
10 LG << came in so the so an LG came wich makes another section complete so the table looks like this : LG MG HG C
1
2
and i have to put the 10 into the LG section... is that right ?
so the betting table would look like this
LG : 10,
MG : 33,
HG :
thats it for .. now... ; ) thanks in advance... i might come up with some further questions.. as i progress with my testings..
cheerz
13MG I unit bet on 20 as 20 is the only available number and C therefore qualifies as the expected group section in the Table.
29C 1 unit on 13 as 13 MG is the most recent active group section in the Table.
21LG 1 unit on 20 and 1 unit 29. It is not possible to bet on C as there is no H number available.
21C 1 unit on 20, 29, 21. Although LG is in the lead it is impossible to make an LG section, therefore the next active group section is C.
It's getting late here in the UK so will continue tomorrow.
Mr Chips
Breeze,
Yes, you have to bet the 33. At the start of a session the available numbers are limited, so you have to apply a realistic
assessment of what could possibly be the expected next section. The only section that is possible is a MG. So you would
want 33 to come in again, with the expectation therefore of an MG section.
Yes, 10 and 13. You have two available numbers one in an L group and one in an M group.
Mr Chips
The following is very instructive to show how to proceed when there are limited available numbers at the start of a session.
14
33
30
16
---
10
15
36
---
30
15
18
---
23
31
12
35
---
34
35
6
10
---
The last section wanted lower available numbers, but they are not available. The only available numbers are h, therefore there has to be
an expectation of an HG section.
NOw if we have these sections (I only add one section at the beginning):
23
2
33
---
14
33
30
16
---
10
15
36
---
30
15
18
---
23
31
12
35
---
34
35
6
10
---
Which section do you expect for the last one? An HG or MG section?
Thx
Nherisson,
In that case it would MG, as MG is the second active group section. The bet would be for 33 to come in again.
Mr Chips
[table=,]
Num,Expect,Play
16,M,33,,
36,H,16,,
18,H,16,36,
35,H,16,36,18
10,M,33,,
[/table]
Quote from: Mr Chips on May 20, 2009, 11:22:45 AM
Nherisson,
In that case it would MG, as MG is the second active group section. The bet would be for 33 to come in again.
Mr Chips
Ok I think I understood...
If we have to play an LG and there are no numbers available for this then we take the last active group (MG) instead of the main active group (C).
Quote from: Nherisson on May 20, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
Ok I think I understood...
If we have to play an LG and there are no numbers available for this then we take the last active group (MG) instead of the main active group (C).
That's correct
23
2
33 M
---
14
33
30
16 C
---
10
15
36 <-- Here, you expect a C because it is the leader and the last active group in the main table. So to have a C, you have to play HG numbers because you begin the section with a L then a M....
---
Expectation
2
34
23
---
18
2
29 C
---
32
27
14 C
---
34
12
24 L
---
31
19
36 M
---
36
13
3 C
---
Hello Mr Chips,
I think I understood most of your system. I applied it on dublinbet, my results are attached. When you will have time, can you check them and tell me if I played well. Did I left the table at the right time?
Thank you! ;)
Regards
Nherisson
Nherisson,
I will soon give you a detailed reply.
Mr Chips
3, 29, 12x2, 10, 30, 2, 19
35x3, 8x2, 16, 26, 9
13, 24, 32
Main Table
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,,1,1
2,,2,2
3,,3,3
4,,4,4
5,,,5
,,,6
,,,7
,,,8
,,,9
,,,10
,,,11
[/table]
C Table
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
2,2,2
3,3,3
,,4
,,5
[/table]
[table=,]
select spins,section groups,+/-
1,3,
2,35,-1
3,13,-2
4,8,-3
5,29,-5
6,24,-6
7,16,-8
8,12,-10
9,10,-12
10,30,-16
11,32,-18
12,35,-21
13,2,-25 Activate C Table
14,12,+5
15,26,-1
16,35,+66
17,19,+60
18,8,+53
19,9,+45
20,18,+37
[/table]
Detailed Notes
Select spin 5 : The usual start. There are available numbers from all the groups.
Select spin 10 : No hits so far. LG and C were often level, not a good sign. The positive sign is that there is a good selection of available numbers.
Select spin 12 : This session is showing a loss and the first hit was an HG section. C is the leader, therefore in such circumstances it is now possible
to activate the C Table. This means we ignore the C column in the Main Table with one exception as follows:
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
,2,2
,3,
[/table]
m is in the lead in the C Table so if a section results in :
34
1
24 m
---
then the C column in the Main Table takes the lead as normal, but only if a section is a m.
If a C section in the Main Table ends in l or h then C in the Main Table is ignored and the C Table is activated.
NOTE : If m ever results in a win then the C Table ends and the sessions returns as normal.
Select spin 13 : The C column in the Main Table is ignored and therefore LG is the leader. The expectation is HG, as it is impossible to make
an LG section.
Select spin 14 : A win with 12, as LG is in the lead.
Select spin 16 : An HG win, profit +66 units. At this stage in the session, must retain at least half of this profit.
Select spin 20 : The C section in the Main Table is racing ahead and therefore this seems to be the correct time to exit the session, with a
profit of +37 units.
An interesting C session.
Mr Chips
Mr Chips,
thank you to take time to help me to understand this system. I read you detailed notes and I have some questions but I will try to read it again and understand more because I don't want to ask you stupid questions.
;)
Nherisson
Mr Chips,
Actually I don't understand how to make the C Table... Is there somewhere in this section where you have explained that? In which circumstances we have to activate it? I know for this example but generally I don't know...
Many thanks
Nherisson,
Whenever you make an entry in the C column in the Main Table you must also do the same in the C Table. Therefore the totals in both Tables
must agree.
If we have the following sections
7
14
3 l
---
23
18
10 l
---
28
15
34 h
---
C Table
l m h
1 1
2
The C Table shows l is the leader and if the Table is activated, it means the C column in the main Table is not used, with the exception that if
a section is as follows:
16
33
?
Here with C in the lead in the Main Table we would expect an L group number, but also we would expect an l for the C Table as it is the leader
and therefore as l is the leader in the C Table on this occasion only the C column is used. If a m or h is expected then the C Table is active
again.
If an l was to win in the above example the C Table would stop and it would then be a normal session again.
The C column in the Main Table has to be the leader for the C Table to become active. Also it must be a losing session.
Regards
Mr Chips
Ok! NOw I understand how to make the 'C Table' but I'm still at a loss about when we have to active the 'C Table'. I know that C in the Main Table has to be the leader and that it must be a losing session but that's all.
For example, why we don't active the 'C Table' at select spin 6 in my example?
If you look at my note at select spin 12, HG had a hit and if the C column was not the leader it would have been a win. It is for this
reason that the C Table can be activated.
Quote from: Mr Chips on May 27, 2009, 12:56:46 PM
If you look at my note at select spin 12, HG had a hit and if the C column was not the leader it would have been a win. It is for this
reason that the C Table can be activated.
So if we have these sections:
15
30
36
---
14
34
2
---
30
15
30
---
12
20
9
36
Here at select spin 12, the 'C Table' is activated because HG had a hit and if the C column was not the leader it would have been a win. Is it right?
Thanks Mr Chips
Yes you are correct.
Mr Chips
:yes:
Mr Chips, your system is very interresting, I love it. Do you play this system in real money? Do you think the system works in RNG?
Ok, I think I will understand more with examples. So, can you have a look on these numbers (attached) and give me a detailed reply like the previous one, please?
Thank you.
Nherisson,
I am very pleased you like the system. I have done a number of tests at various casino's in the the UK, at the Tables and roulette machines.
At the end of every 30 sessions, it has always made at least a 3 figure profit.
4Selecta is a complicated system, but when you understand all aspects of the system and practice a number of sessions, you will understand
when to exit a session, whether in profit or where possible, with a minimum loss approx -50 units.
I think you have to be very careful with PRNG numbers, as it may be wise to practice and see what results you get with them.
I will look at your attached numbers and give you a detailed reply tomorrow.
Regards
Mr Chips
Available Numbers
36x2, 25, 35, 8, 16
2, 30, 11, 28, 20
31x2, 32x2, 33x2, 24x2, 14
Main Table
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,1,1,1
2,2,2,2
3,3,3,3
4,4,,4
,5,,5
,6,,6
,7,,
[/table]
C Table
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
,2,2
,,3
[/table]
[table=,]
Select spins,section groups,+/-
1,36,
2,2,-1
3,30,-2
4,36,-4
5,25,-6
6,35,-9
7,31,-11
8,32,-15
9,11,-19
10,31,-22
11,33,-25
12,8,-29
13,24,-32
14,16,-37
15,24,-6
16,28,-12
17,32,+18
18,20,+12
19,14,+6
20,33,+34
21,0,+25 Exit
[/table]
Detailed Notes
Select spin 4: Missed out on an early win. There are no M available numbers, so cannot expect a C, therefore as LG is the second
leader, the expectation is for LG.
Select spin 5: HG and C are level in the Main Table. HG is however the 'active' leader.
Select spin 10: Again missed out on a win. There are some negative signs more than positive ones in this session. MG and C are
level in the Main Table, but MG is the' 'active' leader. The only positive sign is that there are a good selection of available numbers
from all the groups.
Select spin 15: The first win. A MG was impossible, therefore the expectation was for a C. This makes for a certain minimum loss of
-50 approx, if necessary, later in the session.
Note: In most systems a loss would be considered terrible news, but in 4Selecta there is a built in loss strategy and we must expect
from the system, a certain number of minimum losses and therefore it is expected as part of the overall profitability of the system.
The bets are not high at this stage of the session. Again MG and C are level in the Main Table ( a catch up situation). C is now the
'active' leader.
Select spin 17: Another win. This puts the session in profit for the first time. This is a critical moment in the session. A serious
evaluation of the session must now take place. Up to this point there were more negative signs than positive ones. This latest win
has given us the opportunity to consider breaking even. The system allows for minimum losses, but also for break even situations in
mostly negative sessions. If the profit is lost, then a break even decision will be the likely outcome.
Select spin 20: A third win increases the profit in the session. If this had not been a win I would exit at this point. This changes the
evaluation of the session completely. This third win guarantees taking a profit from the session. The decision now is to take a profit
at least +18 approx, as shown by the earlier profit of +18. The highest bet now is 9 units, so getting close to a double unit bet.
The available numbers are excellent.
Select spin 21: A zero reduces the profit to +25 units and a further loss will likely reduce it further to below +18, therefore a decision
is made to exit here.
It is always interesting to look further on in the session and it turns out there would have been a win at select spin 23, but that is
with hind sight of course. In a casino it is always best to leave a Table immediately then you never know if there is a win or not.
Considering the negative indications early in the session a +25 units is a good profit in the circumstances.
Mr Chips,
thank you again for this detailed reply! It's very helpful! I am very grateful to you for it.
Some questions:
1/ Look at my reply #56 on this thread. I posted some numbers. These numbers come from the beginning of this section that you have tested. In your reply #57, you said I'm correct if I activate the 'C Table' at select spin 4 but in your detailed notes, you didn't activated the 'C Table', why?
2/ When the 'C Table' is activated, how do you play? You play in the same way that when you use the Main Table but with the 'C TAble'? I mean you bet LG if it is the leader, the last active if there are equality between groups?
When do you desactivate the 'C Table'? When C is no longer the leader in the Main Table?
Regards
Nherisson
Hi Nherisson,
When I originally started to reply to your post (reply 57), I assumed at first it was the start of a session, but then I changed the
reply, because I saw your "here at select spin 12", so assumed it was a later part of a session. So a misunderstanding here.
In my original reply that I was going to send, I said that in theory you could 'activate' the C Table, but that it was really too soon
in the session, as another section could soon catch up and so end the C Table. It is better to 'activate' the C Table when the C
column in the Main Table is well in the lead.
You deactivate the C Table temporarily, as shown in my detailed reply 51, select spin 12, also see my NOTE.
You must completely deactivate the C Table, if for example HG levels with C in the Main Table, because HG will then be the
'active' leader.
I think that covers all the situations for ending the C Table.
Regards
Mr Chips
Thanks Mr Chips!
I have also a question about your reply 2 in 'When to Exit a 4Selecta session'. In this reply you show a good example of when the C Table is activated.
The 'C Table' is activated at selctive spin 18 and I agree. But why the 'C Table' is not activated at selective spin 11 because HG had a hit and if the C column was not the leader it would have been a win.
Regards
Nherisson
At select spin 8, MG became the second leader after C in the Main Table, therefore at select spin 11 the section 8,13,?, the expectation
would be for an MG section and not HG, if C was not the leader. Do you agree?
Mr CHips,
Ok I agree. So I discovered a new rule about the 'C Table'.
To summarrize, the 'C Table' is activated when:
- C is well in the lead in the Main Table
- A section (LG, MG or HG) had a hit and if the C column was not the leader it would have been a win.
- This section should be the leader after C
... What else?
The 'C Table' is temporarily desactivated (what du you mean by 'temporarily desactivated'? you mean desactivated for one selective spin?) when:
I don't really know... Can you give me one more concrete example where the 'C Table' is temporarily desactivated?
The 'C Table' is completely desactivated when:
- LG, MG or HG is leveled with C in the Main Table
... What else?
Thanks
I used the word 'temporary' to cover the situation in my reply 51 select spin 12 plus the NOTE. Did you understand that reply?
I think I have covered all aspects of the C Table.
Quote from: Mr Chips on May 29, 2009, 02:27:12 AM
I used the word 'temporary' to cover the situation in my reply 51 select spin 12 plus the NOTE. Did you understand that reply?
Actually, I don't understand that reply 51. Mr Chips, please, can you give me one more example when the C Table is desactivated temporary?
Because in your reply 51, you talk about that at selective spin 12 but did you really apply this desactivation at selective spin 12 or it's just an example?
After that, the C Table is activated until the last selective spin or not?
Otherwise, I think I understood all the others aspects of the C Table. We will see with practice... ;)
I attached numbers with this post. Can you give me detailed notes with these numbers because I have only one hit over more than 90 spins...
Thank you again Mr Chips
Regards
Nherisson
Nherisson,
In this example the C Table is 'active'
C Table
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
2,2,2
3
4
5
[/table]
The leader in the C Table is l and therefore when ever the first and second groups in a section are as follows:
34
13
?
It is expected that ? will be a lower group number and as l is the leader in the C Table the C column in the Main Table is temporarily
activated.
In the next section there is
2
17
?
Here the expectation is m and therefore the C Table is 'active' again.
I hope this helps you to understand the last query of the C Table.
I probably won't be able look at your attached numbers until Sunday or Monday
Regards
Mr Chips
Quote from: Mr Chips on May 29, 2009, 02:44:41 PMIn the next section there is
2
17
?
Here the expectation is m and therefore the C Table is 'active' again.
So if the C Table is activate again we play L numbers because l is in the lead in the C Table. So after number 17, we bet on L numbers. Is it correct?
C column in the Main Table is the leader. When the C Table has been activated, then the second leader in the Main Table becomes
the 'actual' leader. So if HG is the 'actual' leader then:
2
17
?
We would want an h group number.
I thought when the C Table is activate then we bet on the leader of the C Table but in your reply, you seem to say that we have to play the second leader of the Main Table, so I'm a bit lost...
17
32
?
The C Table has an l leader, therefore an L group is expected, therefore the C Table stops and the C column in the Main Table
starts.
14
2
?
This cannot make an l section in the C Table only an h, therefore the C column in the Main Table stops and the C Table starts,
which means ignore the C column and only bet on columns LG, MG, HG.
Reply 71 explained what happened in the Main Table, when the C Table has been activated. The C column stops,
so if HG is the leader we would want an HG group.
You just have to think that when the C column shuts down then you concentrate on LG MG HG. when the C column opens again
it is because say l is in the lead in the C Table and you have :
35
14
? l expectation shut down the C Table, open the C column.
Mr Chips
Mr Chips, maybe it might be interesting to know why did you introduce this C table into your plan. I mean, what extraordinary event did you want to handle when you came up with this idea that the main table could not handle appropriately? I presume there is a logical reason to use this table.
QuoteYou just have to think that when the C column shuts down then you concentrate on LG MG HG. when the C column opens again it is because say l is in the lead in the C Table and you have
Something, does not make sense here. If the C column is in the lead in the main table then we will still concentrate on LG MG HG. What difference will it make whether or not the C table is activated then ? Is it not redundant to use two tables to target the same group?
potatochips,
I don't know about an "extraordinary event", but it's a fact that the C column is often in the lead and therefore when the hits are
coming from the other columns, a way had to be found to take advantage when this happens and so the C Table was developed.
It helps to increase the profits and of course reduce losses.
potatochips,
As far as I can see your question implies that you do not understand the C Table and as I have explained it in great detail, I can
only refer you to the previous explanations, as I am close to C Table exhaustion :swoon:
Mr Chips
Nherisson, in answer to Reply 68.
Available Numbers
21, 3x2, 29, 12, 19
13, 24, 5, 32, 15, 4
34, 9x2, 25, 26, 7, 35, 17
Main Table
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,1,1,1
2,2,2,2
3,3,3,3
4,,4,4
5,,5,5
,,6,6
[/table]
C Table
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
,2,2
,3,
[/table]
[table=,]
select spins,section groups,+/1
1,21,
2,13,-1
3,34,-2
4,9,-3
5,25,-5
6,24,-8
7,26,-11
8,3,-15
9,29,-17
10,5,-20
11,32,-24
12,7,-28
13,3,-33
14,15,-38
15,12,-43
16,9,-12
17,19,-18
18,35,-24
19,4,-31
20,17,-39 exit
[/table]
Detailed Notes
select spin 5: A number from each group. Nothing for the C column, so there could well be a catch up
later in the session.
select spin 10: Good selection of available numbers but no hits. C column with just one section group
select spin 15: The only positive signs in this session is the selection of available numbers and bets are
reasonable. Just one hit but not for HG. At spin 49 and close to the -50 approx minimum loss.
select spin 16: A win so this ensures a minimum loss if necessary at approx -50.
select spin 20: I have seen so many similar sessions. The C column has finally caught up HG.
HG and C are level, which is not a good sign. The session is showing little in the way of a positive outcome,
therefore accept a loss of -39 units, which is within the minimum loss of -50 approx.
Mr Chips, thank you again for this complete analysis :good:
However, I found a mistake...
At select spin 15, HG and LG are level in the Main Table. BUT, LG is the last active section (selecte spin 15), so at select spin 16, we play for LG numbers and we loose because it's an HG number.
What do you think?
Mr Chips. would it be possible to add another column in your report, namely, the expectation for every 'select spins'. That would greatly help to verify we have selected the same group.
Nherisson,
Yes it was a mistake, I should have checked it. I have written on many occasions always do checks especially at the casino, as
it is so easy to make a mistake.
[table=,]
select spins,section groups,+/-
16,9,-48
17,19,-54
[/table]
Detailed Notes
select spin 16 : HG missed out on a win and for the second time. At this stage of the session there are no positive signs and as
the session is showing a loss of -48 the next select spin will decide on a probable exit.
select spin 17: The loss now is -54 and this is in line with the minimum loss of -50 approx. The negative signs in the sessions
far out weigh the selection of available numbers and the low reasonable bets. It appears to be the correct decision to exit here.
Mr Chips
potatochips,
Yes I agree, it's a good idea and will include it in future.
Thanks
Mr Chips
Ok, now that I almost got all the rules, I want to learn when I have to exit.
I know there is a section about that but I need more examples, so let's start with these numbers which are attached.
Mr Chips, I can't wait for your report!
Thanks
Nherisson
Hi Nherisson,
Hopefully you won't find too many mistakes ;) I have developed too many complicated systems :scratch_ones_head:
Available Numbers
1, 20x2, 29
17x3, 8x2, 26, 9, 35, 27, 7
31, 5, 15
Main Table
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,1,1,1
2,2,2,2
,,3,3
,,4,4
,,5,5
,,6,6
,,7,
[/table]
C Table
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
2,,2
3,,
[/table]
[table=,]
select spins,section groups,+/-,expected S G
1,1,,
2,17,-1,LG
3,8,-2,HG
4,31,-4,C(H)
5,17,+30,HG
6,26,+27,HG
7,20,+23,HG
8,9,+19,HG
9,35,+17,LG
10,27,+11,HG
11,20,+4,HG
12,29,-3,HG
13,7,-10,HG
14,8,+18,C(H)
15,0,+9,C(H)
16,5,0,HG
17,17,+63,C(H)
18,15,+53,HG
[/table]
Detailed Notes
select spin 5: A good start with a win. An available number from each of the groups.
select spin 10: Still in profit. HG is well in the lead. Good signs from this session, but would want
another win soon, as HG bets are now 7 units.
select spin 15: Back in profit after a small loss. Still a very positive session. Even 4Selecta has
to have an occasional zero lol. The H bets are now 9 units, so looking for a win soon or a few C
bets using L and M available numbers (cheap bets) to move the session along for a good win
later.
select spin 17: A good win. At this time it is important to evaluate the session and consider a
possible exit. The unit bet for H numbers is 10 units. H has dominated the session and a few
losing bets would soon deplete this profit. At some point LG and MG will start to catch up the
leader HG. The problem is there are too few available numbers from the groups L and M. When
considering all this information, it may be wise to retain as much of the profit as possible and
not go below +50 units.
select spin 18: Again a 10 unit bet, reducing the profit to +53. It looks as if the L and M
available numbers will now start to come in, but the bets are still likely to be 10 units.
C is just one short of levelling with the leader HG. A decision is made therefore to exit here
and take the profit of +53 units.
Many thanks Mr Chips! :)
I like your report which is very instructive.
Actually I got the same results than you but I exited later in the session till select spin 28 and I got +168 ! But I think your decision to exit at select spin 18 is more reasonable than mine.
Let's continue with these new numbers.
Available numbers
29x2, 11, 28, 30, 12, 3
1,21,10
34, 35, 8, 18
6, 24
Main Table
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,1,1,1
2,,2,2
3,,3,3
4
5
6
7
8
9
[/table]
C Table
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
[/table]
[table=,]
select spins,section groups,+/-,expected S G
1,29,,
2,29,+35,LG
3,11,+33,LG
4,28,+30,LG
5,30,+26,LG
6,34,+21,C(L)
7,0,+20,HG
8,35,+15,LG
9,12,+10,LG
10,6,+4,LG
11,3,-2,LG
12,1,-9,LG
13,8,-10,MG
14,21,-13,HG
15,10,-22,LG
16,24,-32,LG
17,18,-42,C(L)
18,0,-52,LG
[/table]
Detailed Notes
select spin 5: A very early win and a series of LG. The win will ensure a -50 unit approx minimum loss
if necessary. Hopefully there will be M and H available numbers in the next few spins. Do not want the
L number bets too high at this stage of the session.
select spin 10: Still just in profit. Good to see M and H available numbers and one low H bet. Still a
positive session. Hopefully a further win soon.
select spin 15: Four more L available numbers, which makes the L bets 10 units. Two low bets helped
(cheap bets) to keep the losses low, as the profit ended at select spin 11. Not enough M and H
available numbers. The original positive session has declined. Only the one hit.
select spin 18: The session has reached -52 units, which is in line with the -50 approx minimum loss.
An evaluation of the session must now be considered. All positive signs have ended. There could well
be hits further on in the session, but that would be a high risk proposition, as there are no positive
signs to support such a proposition. If the L bets were to increase further, with no wins, the loss
situation would escalate to -100 units approx, therefore it would be more realistic to exit with a -50
unit loss, in line with the systems minimum loss strategy.
It is unfortunate to have lost the early profit, but it did enable the session to exit with a minimum
loss, which will enable the system to make long term profits.
Great Mr Chips!
I got the same results than you and I exited at the same time. I'm so happy ::)
I'm testing with numbers from Wiesbaden, April 2009, Table 7. I would like to compare your results with mine, do you think it's possible? Or at least the first two weeks...
Thanks
Nherisson
Hi Nherisson,
Yes, but it may take a while to complete the sessions. I will add the results to those showing in the 4Selecta thread.
Regards
Mr Chips
Ok Mr Chips :thumbsup:
I got an interesting C session on the 8th April 2009, Table 7. When you will have time, can you have a look on these numbers please?
Sorry to give you works but your system is so interesting!! :clapping:
Cheers
Nherisson
Hi Nherisson,
I will be able to do it on Sunday :good:
I have started putting the 4Selecta onto a website and possibly other systems as well, but it will take a while to finish it.
I thought it would be a good idea to also have it in French and as you understand 4Selecta very well now, perhaps you
would be interested in explaining it in French.
Perhaps when we have finished the testing here, we can discuss it further at that time.
Regards
Mr Chips
Hi Mr Chips,
It will be an honour to explain the 4Selecta in French. In this time, I don't have so much time to do that but I think later it will be ok. Actually I need more practices to understand when we have to exit because it's still a bit unclear for me.
Ok, let me know when I could visit your new website! 8)
Nherisson
Mr Chips,
I have a question... Maybe we already discuss about that but I want to be sure.
So let's say that MG is the leader in the Main Table, followed by LG (2nd), C(3rd and the last active group!) and HG (4th).
Then come these numbers:
34
2
?
Here we can't expect an MG session so we expect an LG (because it's the second leader) or an C (because it's the last active group)?
Thanks
Nherisson
Hi Nherisson,
I am pleased that you like the idea of explaining 4Selecta in French, when we have more time we can discuss about putting on
a website.
In answer to you question it will be the second leader LG.
I will detail the C session later today.
Mr Chips
Available numbers
7x2, 17, 36x2, 8, 35, 18
3, 28, 19, 30, 20, 11
24x3, 22
Main Table
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,1,1,1
2,2,2,2
3,,3,3
4,,,4
,,,5
,,,6
,,,7
,,,8
,,,9
[/table]
C Table
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
2,2,2
,,3
,,4
,,5
[/table]
[table=,]
select spins,section groups,+/-,expected S G
1,7,,
2,17,-1,HG
3,3,-3,C(H)
4,24,-5,HG
5,36,-7,C(H)
6,22,-8,C(M)
7,7,+25,C(H)
8,28,+24,C(L)
9,19,+20,C(H)
10,30,+17,C(L)
11,36,+49,C(H)
12,8,+44,C(H)
13,35,+38,C(H)
14,0,+34,C(L)
15,20,+32,C(M)
16,24,+25,C(H)
17,11,+22,C(M)
18,18,+19,C(M)
19,24,+13,C(L)
[/table]
Detailed Notes
select spin 5: Usual start, an available number from each group. Hopefully HG and C won't stay level for most of the session.
select spin 10: A win, which means a -50 approx minimum loss, if necessary. A good selection of available numbers. Bets are
low. A positive session.
select spin 15: Another win. Would like to retain some profit from this session or break even. Bets are reasonable and some are
low (cheap bets). Good selection of numbers.
select spin 19: Missed a good win, must therefore evaluate the session at this stage. There are still some positive signs, a
difficult decision to make here. The bets are still reasonable. At select spin 15 wanted to retain some profit or break even.
The missed win was the deciding factor to exit here.
As there are still positive signs it's not incorrect to continue this session. If the profit was +60 instead of +49, then definitely
must retain some profit and not risk a minimum loss session. +49 is a borderline decision, as to whether to continue or exit
the session.
Hi Mr Chips and thank you for your report!
I didn't get the same results than you because I activated the C Table at select spin 17 because if the C column was not the leader it would have been a win at select spin 16 (H). Moreover, C was well in the lead. So why you didn't activate it?
Regards
Nherisson
Hi Nherisson,
The C Table is only activated during a losing session.
Please see Reply 36 and 51 in this thread and 'When to Exit a 4Selecta session' para 5.
Regards
Mr Chips
Hi Mr Chips,
Ok you're correct! I know that the C Table is only activated during a losing session but I forgot to apply it in my test, sorry!
Nherisson
Nherisson,
It's no problem, especially if you happen to have got a big win ;)
Regards
Mr Chips
MR CHIPS
DO you think that your system win on long term
i am studing it two month ago and my results are followings :
win 40 units/session
do you think it is correct ?
thank you for all you transmit to us
i am french and i think today i know it very well
Hi olinet,
Merci for your post. My tests of 4Selecta have produced an average of 30 units per session.
I have received the most interest about 4Selecta from emails of France and Belgium and it is good to hear that you know
it very well. 4Selecta has shown to be be very consistent and so far there are no indications, that there will be a problem
in the future.
It is very important to take note of the guidelines concerning when to exit a session, as mentioned in this tread, also in the
4Selecta system thread and when to exit a 4Selecta session.
Regards
Mr Chips
Hi Mr Chips,
I thought about something yesterday, I don't know if it's a good idea but here it is.
Why not play your system in the other direction?
I mean, instead of bet on the hit numbers, we bet on the numbers which are still not appeared.
What do you think?
salut nherisson
et comment va tu miser alors?
Nherisson,
Any form of sleepers is high risk and would not conform to the low risk theme of 4Selecta. Some other people have had ideas of linking
4Selecta with other systems, but I don't see the point, as they are introducing an unknown element into a system that already works
well!
Mr Chips
Ok Mr Chips, it was just a throught. ;)
Don't worry, I keep your original system!
@olinet: It's an english forum so you have to speak in english out of respect for the others members.
Thanks
mR CHIPS
CAN YOU EXAMINE THESE NUMBERS AND EXPLAIN ME WHEN YOU QUIT THIS SECTION - THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK
3
8
25
2
28
27
35
5
13
0
21
14
5
7
10
12
3
20
22
13
1
16
35
28
30
35
22
35
6
7
18
1
18
36
9
35
7
16
26
16
2
5
22
28
9
33
14
31
12
32
3
28
22
15
32
23
25
23
17
22
30
5
34
35
13
10
3
3
31
26
24
26
14
1
18
7
29
8
36
13
9
12
20
15
21
14
22
31
18
17
30
2
2
36
5
13
32
13
33
36
13
32
34
24
34
33
15
26
18
21
23
12
24
35
11
7
15
1
32
8
30
23
33
6
28
24
14
11
33
19
13
8
9
4
24
10
36
22
13
14
10
9
31
19
13
22
2
11
22
6
8
17
25
17
14
34
26
9
25
20
32
6
35
36
34
3
22
35
26
13
1
34
5
9
24
16
Available Numbers
25, 35x3, 7x2, 18, 9, 26, 36
14x2, 13, 22, 5, 32, 15,23
10, 30, 3
Main Table
[table=,]
LG,MG,HG,C
1,1,1,1
,2,2,2
,3,3,3
,4,4,4
,5,5,5
,6,6,6
,,7,
,,8,
[/table]
C Table
[table=,]
l,m,h
1,1,1
2,2,2
[/table]
[table=,]
select spins,section groups,+/-,expected SG
1,25,,
2,35,-1,HG
3,14,-3,C(H)
4,10,-5,HG
5,13,-7,C(H)
6,35,+27,HG
7,22,+24,HG
8,7,+21,HG
9,18,+17,HG
10,5,+12,HG
11,9,+7,C(H)
12,32,+1,C(H)
13,15,-5,C(H)
14,23,-11,HG
15,30,-18,M
16,35,-19,L
17,3,-26,C(H)
18,26,-33,C(H)
19,14,-35,C(L)
20,7,-43,C(M)
21,36,-52,HG
[/table]
Detailed Notes
select spin 5: Usual start. A number from each group.
select spin 10: A win will guarantee a minimum loss, if necessary. M and H are showing an increased selection
of available numbers, but only one for L numbers. Appears to be a positive session.
select spin 15: The previous positive session has now declined. The session is now losing, and MG HG and C are
level in the Main Table and this is not a good sign.
select spin 20: All the signs now point to this being a losing session. Missed three wins. The bets are close to
double figures. Unless there is a win next bet, then must exit, with a minimum loss.
select spin 21: There are no positive signs and therefore must exit here, with a minimum loss of -52, which is
within the guidelines of a minimum loss of -50 approx.
Mr Chips
Hi Mr Chips!
Do you think that you can test all the month of April, 2009, Table7? It should be great because like that, I could compare with my results and I will know if I'm in the good way.
(If yes) Do you have a way to get all the numbers for each day or should I posted them here by myself?
Regards,
Nherisson
Hi Nherisson,
I can get the numbers. Do you mean just the results or in more detail, as I supplied before, as that would require
much more time and work?
Regards
Mr Chips
First, maybe just the results will be enough and then I will see later if I have questions for some particular sessions.
Can you do that?
Nherisson
Yes, I will start on Wednesday but I am not sure when I will finish, as it will have to fit in with all the other stuff I
have to do, but it's no problem.
Mr Chips
Thanks Mr Chips!
I know it will take time, don't worry I can wait.
Yours results in the topic '4Selecta - testing 5 and 10 select spins' seems very interesing, especially for select spins 10!!
Nherisson
At select spin 10 it is very interesting, as up to that point there is no human intervention and sometime hopefully a program
can be written, which will show it at thousands of select spins, which will be a fascinating result!
Mr Chips
So we have to find someone who can make such a program... :scratch_ones_head:
Spielbank April 2009 Table 7
[table=,]
Date,spins,select spins,+/-
1.4,76,20,+33
2.4,74,21,-47
3.4,59,15,-50
4.4,63,17,+60
5.4,58,16,+45
6.4,62,17,-17
7.4,95,26,-5
8.4,89,24,+56
9.4,65,19,+7
10.4,n/a,,
11.4,65,17,-56
12.4,76,22,-55
13.4,100,28,+259
14.4,93,27,+240
15.4,85,24,+31
16.4,93,24,-78
17.4,58,16,-55
18.4,61,17,-48
19.4,82,22,-56
20.4,101,26,+101
21.4,47,14,+87
22.4,78,20,-70
23.4,62,16,+27
24.4,n/a,,
25.4,73,18,+166
26.4,73,20,-2
27.4,70,20,+32
28.4,71,20,+136
29.4,83,23,-10
30.4,75,22,+6
[/table]
Great!! You began!
But maybe there is something wrong because actually, in your reply 84 in this topic, you made the complete analysis for this day and you didn't get the same result than here...
In such a situation it is possible to come to two different decisions. At select spin 18 there was a strong case to exit here, but there is
always the chance of a further win or a reduced profit. The original profit was +30 and the decision to exit at select spin 20 at +33 was
a definite time to exit. This is very much the human element.
When I go to the casino having had let's say three losses I will be cautious and take a profit at select spin 18, +53, if a number of sessions
have been very profitable I will chance a reduced profit, but not go below that original profit of +30 especially, as the unit bets are 10 units.
There has to be some flexibility, the important thing is to justify any decision from the information available from the session.
Mr Chips
Thanks to post results Mr Chips! ;)
I'm looking forward to the next...
Reply 118, I should get it finished by Wednesday or Thursday.
Mr Chips
HELLO mr chips
we have speaken on private - i sent you a message
Can you understand me for a modification that i try to test on your method
thank
olinet
olinet,
I am still waiting for you to send an example of a complete session and email it to me. I will hopefully be able to understand the modification
and make an informed comment.
Nherisson, if you wouldn't mind translating the above into French, so that olinet fully understands my request.
Many thanks
Regards
Mr Chips
I have well understood
i will transmit you soon a complete session - no problem
The test for Spiebank April 2009 Table 7 is complete.
[table=,]
units
+1286
-549
----
+737
----
[/table]
Ok Mr Chips! Many thanks for your test! Good job :thumbsup:
I didn't exit at the same time for each session so I have to practice again and again about when to exit at 4selecta... :(
When using 4Selecta it's important to have a positive reason for continuing with a session. If the positive signs get less
and less then consider an exit at approx -50. Sometimes at -50 there is still a slight positive sign to continue, but if the
unit bets are 10 and say there is a 3 unit LG hit and HG is in the lead this is a sure sign to exit say at -70.
As 4Selecta uses selective spins it gives an ideal opportunity to constantly evaluate a session and with practice, you will
make more and more sound decisions.
Mr Chips
Hi Mr Chips been reading about 4 selecta for hours now. Even tried a couple games, where I am sure I played wrong. I will go back through the Two cat posts to figure out how. I came up with the same result he had when he began.
My question is is what is the suggested bankroll? Reading the stop loss #'s as being -50 to -100. My normal bankroll would be 5 times the max stop loss (500 units). Is that enough to deal with any flucuation or would more be needed?
Thanks
Phishalot
Hi Phishalot,
500 units should be more than enough. I would recommend not placing any real bets until you have fully understood 4Selecta.
When you have a basic understanding of the system then go through the "When to exit a 4Selecta session". You will also find
examples in this thread. It is important to understand this part of the system, as it is the difference between making a long term
profit with minimum losses or increasing losses.
I have seen 4Selecta discussed on other forums and the exit strategy has been ignored, this is a consequence of not fully understanding
the system in it's entirety.
Mr Chips
A concise explanation of 4Selecta can be found at :
nolinks://nolinks.4selectasystem.com
Quote from: Mr Chips on September 01, 2009, 02:39:59 AM
A concise explanation of 4Selecta can be found at :
nolinks://nolinks. 4selectasystem . com (nolinks://nolinks.4selectasystem.com)
* edited to a NON clickable link by Xman1970
I am going to continue to make clickable links re 4Selecta.
I developed this particular system here and it is and always will be freely available.
I constructed a website for the system in order to produce a concise and hopefully more easily
understood version. There is nothing on the website that could offend anyone on this forum.
Quite the reverse, as anyone who is interested in the system will benefit from the improvements
that have been made.
I should add that I have placed VLS, as the first link on the website and am happy to do so, if it
brings more members here, it therefore benefits everyone.
Richard