This is one strategy I ccreated before I found the G.U.T. But you will see the roots in it.
I´m using today´s spin of Wiesbaden table 3
In the beginning it is a bit slow and boring, because we have to build up our bet-selecting groups
For real play we have to prepare 13 pieces of paper/carton with the Zero and each line,
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
0 , . , 0 , .
1 , 1 , 2 , 3
2 , 4 , 5 , 6
3 , 7 , 8 , 9
4 , 10 , 11 , 12
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
7 , 19 , 20 , 21
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
10 , 28 , 29 , 30
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
[/table]
Why? you will see.
The first spin is 18
we take the row and put it on the table
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
[/table]
the nex spin is 24 we add the next row under it, so that the last hit is always at the bottom
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
[/table]
the next spin is 15
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
[/table]
the next spin is 24
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
[/table]
the next spin is 34
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
[/table]
the next spin is 26
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
[/table]
the next spin is 36
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
12 , 34 , 35 , 36[/table]
the next spin is 32
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
[/table]
I hpe you see the system that you always put the last spun row to the bottom.
I will now jump to next important situation
go on master ;D
i tried this before. This is how i ended up finding the way i play. but go on.................
>:D
after these spins
18
24
15
24
34
26
36
32
9
0
35
26
24
5
we have the following situation:
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
3 , 7 , 8 , 9
0 , . , 0 , .
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
2 , 4 , 5 , 6
[/table]
We split this table into two groups:
1. the newest hits these are the four on the bottom
2. the later hits these are the four ont the top
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
3 , 7 , 8 , 9
0 , . , 0 , .
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
2 , 4 , 5 , 6
[/table]
we always cut 4 rows to one group. The exception is the Zero. How we use the Zero I will explain later, til then we just ignore it but put it in the place where it hit.
But we still have 4 rows which haven´t hit yet, the sleepers, later we will call this last group the oldest hits.
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
1 , 1 , 2 , 3
4 , 10 , 11 , 12
7 , 19 , 20 , 21
10 , 28 , 29 , 30
[/table]
So after the last spin we should have this order of our papers/cartons on the table
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
1 , 1 , 2 , 3
4 , 10 , 11 , 12
7 , 19 , 20 , 21
10 , 28 , 29 , 30
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
3 , 7 , 8 , 9
0 , . , 0 , .
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
2 , 4 , 5 , 6
[/table]
Now we can start to play:
the next spin is 13
this is row 5 and it is a hit from the middle group the Normalos
our next bet will be this group, but first we have to sort up again
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
1 , 1 , 2 , 3
4 , 10 , 11 , 12
7 , 19 , 20 , 21
10 , 28 , 29 , 30
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
3 , 7 , 8 , 9
0 , . , 0 , .
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
2 , 4 , 5 , 6
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
[/table]
so we will bet row 6 11 3 12 an will will remember last hit was Middle group
next number is 18 row 6 another hit from middle group and we renew our list
bet 4 units - win 12 units - +8
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
1 , 1 , 2 , 3
4 , 10 , 11 , 12
7 , 19 , 20 , 21
10 , 28 , 29 , 30
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
3 , 7 , 8 , 9
0 , . , 0 , .
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
2 , 4 , 5 , 6
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
[/table]
On our second list we have M M and we bet this group again, but is has changed and we bet rows 11 3 12 9
next number 19 from line 7 out of the sleepers group
-4 +8 = +4
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
1 , 1 , 2 , 3
4 , 10 , 11 , 12
10 , 28 , 29 , 30
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
3 , 7 , 8 , 9
0 , . , 0 , .
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
2 , 4 , 5 , 6
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
7 , 19 , 20 , 21
[/table]
our second list shows M M S but we ignore the S and keep betting on M
next number is 25 which is from middle group
+4 -4 +12 = +12
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
1 , 1 , 2 , 3
4 , 10 , 11 , 12
10 , 28 , 29 , 30
11 , 31 , 32 , 33
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
3 , 7 , 8 , 9
0 , . , 0 , .
12 , 34 , 35 , 36
8 , 22 , 23 , 24
2 , 4 , 5 , 6
[/table]
[table=,]
Group , . , . , .
5 , 13 , 14 , 15
6 , 16 , 17 , 18
7 , 19 , 20 , 21
9 , 25 , 26 , 27
[/table]
and always change the group-settings after every hit.
I hope you got the technic of listing the bet-Selection-Groups
in the next days I will show you how to select the group to bet on.
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winkel
This is a very nice post Winkel and i like how clean and clear you made the description above about how the bet selection, the indication work.
Now we all know why, where and when to play the game with that tendency.
Many thanks.
LS
Well, don't worry. Results are the same as if you pick four lines of either dozen. The reason is clear, you group the lines four to four respect its exit order. You need to notice that line that occupies every order, from 1 to 12, appears finally the same number of times. Its behavior is exactly the same as if you pick any four lines on the board. I can assure you what I am saying.
Quote from: eatlines on April 18, 2009, 10:08:04 PM
Well, don't worry.
Be sure, nobody worries >:D
QuoteResults are the same as if you pick four lines of either dozen.
You´re sure?
QuoteThe reason is clear, you group the lines four to four respect its exit order.
That´s right. but wait!
QuoteYou need to notice that line that occupies every order, from 1 to 12, appears finally the same number of times.
Did you ever hear of the Law of Third? I´m not sure!
QuoteIts behavior is exactly the same as if you pick any four lines on the board.
I will show that they behave in a certain way!
QuoteI can assure you what I am saying.
I´m not sure. I wouldn´t present this strategy, if it was just another simple selection for any doz./col.-chance.
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winkel
look excel programing. Can copy your numbers on column "B".
Nice sheet, but you should have been waiting until I have finished with my explanation.
On the other hand I didn´t say it is a Grail
I even didn´t say it would be a winner
I just said it was the start of G.U.T and believe me I wouldn´t had put it to the bin if it had been better than -2,7.
I opened this topic just to show how G.U.T was born and to show a new kind of looking at spin-results.
And first of all: We have been waiting desparately for one like you who tells us "nothing works" before we already finished our construction.
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winkel
I like the basic behind the indications and would like to see more how the tendency perform.
LS
Winkel, all system works while it works.
Obvious that no system can surpass the mathematics -2,7% for ever, only in small sections.
My intention is to warn to construct on the already proven things.
Still waiting for final explanation and to improve it if it is possible.
QuoteI like the basic behind the indications and would like to see more how the tendency perform.
If I would be you Winkel I would avoid or ignore members that try to remind us off things we already know so plz continue...
LS
eatlines´s tool is quite good, he already inserted the next step of this.
with the order of the lines we add the order of it´s position before the next hit:
(remember: the newest hit at the bottom)
We restart at the bginning of our game (see post #3)
[table=,]
ord , Group , . , . , .
13 , 1 , 1 , 2 , 3
12 , 4 , 10 , 11 , 12
11 , 7 , 19 , 20 , 21
10 , 10 , 28 , 29 , 30
[/table]
[table=,]
ord , Group , . , . , .
9 , 6 , 16 , 17 , 18
8 , 5 , 13 , 14 , 15
7 , 11 , 31 , 32 , 33
6 , 3 , 7 , 8 , 9
5 , 0 , . , 0 , .
[/table]
[table=,]
ord , Group , . , . , .
4 , 12 , 34 , 35 , 36
3 , 9 , 25 , 26 , 27
2 , 8 , 22 , 23 , 24
1 , 2 , 4 , 5 , 6
[/table]
the following spin was #13
now we note both: The number of the line (group) and the position before the hit
no. of Line : 5
pos. before hit : 8
This is the notation of eatlines tool
### appears when there is no relating "comes from"
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but I add a visual part to it and note the positons where the hits come from with an "x"
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Many thanks and can you "Attach the files" so we can download them?
Because there is hard to read them in the post you made.
Cheers LS
Hi LS
the file is in reply #8
but I will make some futher explanations and add "my" file afterwards (which means th file of eatlines expanded)
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winkel
From this visiual part we can extract 3 different kinds of betting
1. We bet 8 lines til 2 losses
2. We bet 4 lines of the favorite group which hits most in the last spins
3. We bet 10 lines excluding the longest sleepers
here we go:
for bet-selection 1:
we bet the lines included in the big fat frames til we have two losses
then we wait til one group has 3 hits and bet this and the next favorite group. If there is no second group favorite we wait for a spin which show this group.
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for 2. bet-selection:
we only bet the group which has won at least two times and play until it lost two times:
if we lose twice we lost 8 units
if we won once and lost twice we are equal
every 2 or more wins an two losse keep us in the lead.
this means in the picture:
a frame over two steps is a full loss
a frame with three steps is an equal
every frame with more than three steps is a win
we can have
2 losses back to back -8
any two losses and just 1 win +-0
any two losses and 2 wins +8
any two losses and 3 wins +16
any two losses and 4 wins +24
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Looks good Winkel :thumbsup:
LS
Hi winkel.Are you using this system yet?Is profitable for you?
of course
It`s good and which casino are u using?Land or online?I try it but i want know how big bankrolll you advicing to me.
BR should be minimum 600 unists.
There is no difference between land odr Online-casinos
Hi winkel.I tried it and firstly I win 20 units but than I go down and I came on my starting position with bank.
There is no strategy, that is always going up.
My strategy always deal with a trend, try to excercise detecting the trend
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winkel
Ok.I think that you have good system and your system can be profitable for me.I show you my game wich I`ve been playing now.But one thing what I want to ask you is how long are you using this systen and how is you profit in units per month.It is not very important to me but I want know how big unit should I use.
Here is my game:
spin number
1. 10
2. 18
3. 5
4. 4
5. 33
6. 4
7. 11
8. 9
9. 15
10. 19
11. 0
12. 23
13. 15
14. 9
15. 17
Group
line 12
line 2
line 4
line 7
0
line 8
line 5
line 3
line 6
GROUP 1
line 1
line 9
line 10
line 11
GROUP 2
line 12
line 2
line 4
line 7
0
GROUP 3
line 8
line 5
line 3
line 6
Next spin is 33 so the groups are this
GROUP 1
line 1
line 9
line 10
line 12
GROUP 2
line 2
line 4
line 7
0
line 8
GROUP 3
line 5
line 3
line 6
line 11
Next spin si 5
GROUP 1
line 1
line 9
line 10
line 11
GROUP 2
line 12
line 4
line 7
0
line 8
GROUP 3
line 5
line 3
line 6
line 2
Next spin is 34
GROUP 1
line 1
line 9
line 10
line 11
GROUP 2
line 2
line 4
line 7
0
line 8
GROUP 3
line 5
line 3
line 6
line 12
So midlle group has last 2 hits and we bet on these line 2,4,7,8
Next spin is 5 and we won.And so on...I understand it good?
Yes, that ´s the idea.
I´m not playing very often, mostly just for fun, selecting any of my strategies I think it´ll win.
Or I´m mixing them up.
This one is not very nice to follow in a casino. Too much writing. :-X
Today I started with a BR of 1800 units and closed at 3050.
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winkel
Ohh..1250 units.It`s good.Yes i know it`s not good in land based casino but i will play it only on live casino on william hil or dublinet.I think i will read your next strategies and i will combine these stratefies.Which second strategy to combine with this strategy are you advicing to me ?