WARNING I DO NOT SAY OR IMPLY YOU WILL WIN AT ROULETTE WITH MY METHOD AND DO NOT PLAY MONEY YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE. THAT BEING SAID THIS METHOD DOES HAVE A GOOD CHANCE YOU WALKING OUT OF THE CASINO WITH MORE IN YOUR POCKET THEN YOU ARRIVED WITH IN YOUR POCKET LOL
:thumbsup:
I think I have come up with a winning method by accident.
THE RULES YOU PLAY TWO DOZENS AT ONE TIME ALWAYS.
YOU PLAY THE LAST TWO DOZENS THAT LOST, THEN THE LAST TWO DOZENS THAT WON ALTERNATING THE TWO NO MATTER HOW FAR BACK THEY ARE.
SAMPLE BELOW
DOZEN 3
DOZEN 1 PLAY LAST TWO WON
DOZEN 2 PLAY LAST TWO LOST
DOZEN 2 PLAY LAST TWO WON
DOZEN 2 PLAY LAST TWO LOST
DOZEN 1 PLAY LAST TWO WON
DOZEN 2 PLAY LAST TWO LOST
DOZEN 3 PLAY LAST TWO WON
YOU KEEP GOING ON AND ON IT IS THAT SIMPLE, THIS METHOD SEEMS TO ADD A RANDOM VERSUS RANDOM ELEMENT.
THIS IS SO SIMPLE THAT IT IS CRAZY.
THE MOST I HAVE LOST IN A ROW IS FOUR, THAT IS IT.
YOU CAN USE FIBONACCI PROGRESSION.
I HAVE USED THE 1-3-7-15 TODAY AND NO PROBLEM SO FAR.
AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS FOR DOZENS ONLY.
ZEROS ARE A LOSS JUST MARK A ZERO ON YOUR PAPER, MAKE SURE YOU USE A PAD AND PAPER TO WRITE THE DOZEN AND THE RESULTS PER SPIN INCLUDING, DID YOU PLAY THE LAST TWO MISSED OR THE LAST TWO THAT WON NO MATTER HOW FAR BACK THEY ARE.
GIVE IT A GO
STUART BRANDT
IF YOU NEED HELP EMAIL ME :)
I FORGOT TO MENTION, USE THE WORD FORM I MADE TO RECORD YOUR SPINS AND RESULTS.
SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, NO I AM NOT SHOUTING LOL.
JUST MARK AN X ON THE FORM WHERE THE BALL LANDED, DOZ 1, DOZEN 2, AND DOZEN 3 THEN GO FROM THERE.
STUART BRANDT
Thanks for sharing your approach to Dozen betting Stuart. :thumbsup:
Have you considered "surfing" with a mild money management instead of "it can't go past X losses in a row"? :)
Regards.
Victor
Can you give an example of this surfing progression, VLS?
HI
thanks for sharing your innovative approach to 2 dozen/column selection. I will definitely try it out.
On a different note, could you upload another version of your word file (preferably with .doc extension) as I unable to view it using my current version of Word ???.
cheers and happy winning.
ozshabs
Here you go ozshabs,
Saved it as 2003.
THE FIBONACCI I USED IS, FIVE DOLLAR UNITS.
5-5-10-15-25-40-65
I WILL SEE IF I CAN GET THE FORM IN A OLDER VERSION OF WORD.
I GUESS YOU GUYS MEAN THIS METHOD IS LIKE SURFING LOL.
I WONDER HOW IT WOULD DO ON A AMERICAN ROULETTE WHEEL.
STUART
What do you mean by the last two lost. Is this the dozens that didn't come in on the last spin.
So If dozen 1 comes in, do we bet dozens 2 and 3.
An example of a session would be very useful to clear this up
cheers ginger
THAT IS CORRECT.
IF DOZEN 1 IS THE LAST THAT WINS YOU PLAY THE DOZENS THAT DID NOT COME IN, DOZEN 2 AND 3.
I DID NOT SAY IF YOU WON MONEY ON THAT SPIN, JUST WHERE THE BALL LANDED.
NOW IF THE LAST TWO DOZENS THAT HIT WERE DOZEN 2 AND DOZEN 3 YOU WOULD PLAY THE SAME, THE IDEA IS TO ALTERNATE BETWEEN THE LAST LOSERS AND THE LAST WINNERS.
1
2
2
2 PLAY THE LAST WINNERS DOZ 1 AND DOZ 2
1 HERE I WOULD PLAY THE LAST TWO LOSING DOZENS 2 AND 3
1
1
IT IS SO SIMPLE I CAME UP WITH IT BY ACCIDENT, I GUESS IT WOULD STOP YOU FROM HAVING A WINNING STREAK ON ONE DOZEN, HOWEVER MY METHOD WOULD STOP YOU FROM GOING ON A LOSING STREAK ALSO.
IT JUST MATTERS HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
I THINK THIS METHOD CAN GENERATE 50 DOLLARS A HOUR WITH FIVE DOLLAR UNITS, YOUR BANKROLL NEEDS TO BE 500.00 DOLLARS WITH FIVE DOLLAR UNITS.
YOU HAVE A 66 PERCENT OF WINNING, NOW WITH A FIBONACCI PROGRESSION YOU SHOULD DO FINE.
I THINK WITH THE FIBO YOU NEED TO WIN TWICE TO BREAK EVEN, SO IF YOU LOSE FIVE TIMES IN A ROW YOU HAVE TO WIN TWICE TO BE EVEN AGAIN, I THINK LOL.
STUART :) ;) :D ;D >:( 8) ::) :thumbsup:
Hi all,
this looks really good and so so simple,does anyone think it will work exactly the same on the colums ?
Then we could play dozens and colums at the same time providing you have the bankroll to cover both ?
Dave.
OK WHATS UP GUYS,
THIS METHOD IS WINNING MORE THEN I COULD HOPE, I NEED SOMEONE TO RUN THIS METHOD ON A LIVE WHEEL BESIDES JEBET.
I EVEN PLAYED FLAT BET FOR A WHILE AND WAS UP ONE UNIT, SOMEBODY TEST THIS DEAL ON A RNG AND A LIVE AMERICAN WHEEL.
I WILL PAY 50.00 BUCKS FOR A PLAYER TO GO TO A CASINO HERE IN THE US TO TRY THIS SYSTEM ON A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL, YOU MUST USE 5 DOLLAR UNITS YOU SHOULD BE UP 50 BUCKS IN ONE HOUR.
YOU NEED TO USE THE FIBONACCI PROGRESSION.
WHO IS NEAR A US CASINO AND CAN HELP.
YOU WILL GET PAYMENT AFTER YOU EMAIL OR PHONE ME THE RESULTS.
THE NEAREST CASINO TO MY HOUSE IS 240 MILES SO I NEED SOMEONE WHO IS NEAR A CASINO WITH THE DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL.
THANK YOU
STUART BRANDT
PS GUYS CHECK OUT MY YOUTUBE VIDEOS I AM AN INVENTOR LINK BELOW
nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/user/IHARTPIE (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/user/IHARTPIE)
Quote from: VLSroulette on March 27, 2009, 12:07:33 AM
Thanks for sharing your approach to Dozen betting Stuart. :thumbsup:
Have you considered "surfing" with a mild money management instead of "it can't go past X losses in a row"? :)
Regards.
Victor
HI VICTOR I HOPE YOU ARE WELL,
HOW ABOUT A FIBO THAT GOES LIKE THIS 5-5-5-10-15-25-40-65
ARE THESE ENOUGH STEPS FOR BETTING ON TWO DOZENS AT ONE TIME, I HAVE NEVER LOST MORE THEN FOUR IN A ROW ON A SINGLE ZERO WHEEL, ON AN AMERICAN WHEEL YOU MIGHT HIT 6 LOSSES IN A ROW.
THANK YOU
STUART BRANDT
Quote from: Ronin on March 27, 2009, 12:11:05 AM
Can you give an example of this surfing progression, VLS?
Hi Mate, not as much a progression, more the whole "grinding" mentality of flat betting (or not betting at all) when hits are clearly not coming and risking some when hits are coming okay as expected for current cycle (read 3-spin window for dozens).
I.e. instead of thinking 1 3 9 27 81, better think in flat betting to 1 always after 3 losses, rising +1 after a win keeping a counter and require more than one hit to recoup, always looking to balance-out your units.
I.e. if you are -4 units to break even to highest session balance, just got a hit, and next increase at your counter leads to 6 units; you should always be conscious of the losing possibility and degrade the bet to 4, just in case.
Also as you are covering 2 out of 3, perhaps you may want to make your calculation in base of a double-win: I.e. instead of betting 4 units, do 2 and 2, looking for that double-win. Always having in mind the possibility of losing next bet. It isn't insane to expect a double win betting 2 out of 3.
In roulette you must embrace wins, but always be aware
even the largest losing tram starts with a losing bet, just always calculate what to do on both scenarios beforehand (win OR lose next spin) as your session progresses.
Stick to you reasonable win goal and conscious loss limit and avoid the crazy, explosive, "ALL OR NOTHING" bets. They are great when you get the "ALL", but each time you are saved it really gets you close to not "saving it" next time. Exiting out on time is a win too, remember what Manrique said: the worst thing to do when on a well is to keep digging.
Once you realize grinding is all about stretching the bank for having units left, you would NEVER like to expose all your units again in a few spins particularly at your losing tram (martingale-like, betting it all precisely when the casino is "wiping").
As much as you can't win forever, you can't lose forever also, casino's edge against you isn't -100% (I.e. never hitting at all), it is -2.7% which means you are still scheduled to get hits, only at a rate of -2.7% less, but still you have 97,3% of expected hit ratio from a fair game on your side and the "art" is for you to have to have units left for the times where the concentration of hits is on your side.
Yes, players do have "their time" too,
gambling is waves, be certain to do your best to have units left and do not serve them to the casino on a silver plate for a few volatile spins.
Best regards.
Victor
A SAMPLE OF TONIGHTS PLAY ON JEBET.COM.
THE DEALER WAS LENKA
START BANKROLL 500 END BANKROLL 850
I USED 25.00 DOLLAR UNITS
I THINK I WAS VERY LUCKY NO ZEROS ONLY THREE LOSSES
CHECK OUT THE WORD DOCUMENT IT SHOWS HOW I PLAY
I AM STARTING TO GET SCARED LOL
I FLAT BET THE WHOLE TIME
STUART BRANDT
CAN SOMEONE TEST THIS SUCKER LOL
Hi bikemotorman,
cant read docx,can you put in diferent format for word so i can read it,
Regards,
Dave.
P.S. well done on the win tonight :thumbsup:
You are wrong bike! Through the whole history of humanity the most important discoveries came through mistakes. The strategy you mention is interesting. You could use a Leveller progression, it would keep you for long time in game. Leveller progression:
1-2-4-4-4-4-4.... units on each dozen if you lose. After 4 units you don't rise anymore only play the 4 units on both dozens or columns until your new total equals or is higher then that one you began with. You can mingle columns and dozens together, that means bet 2 winners dozens after 2 losing columns and opposite.
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 27, 2009, 11:02:10 PM
A SAMPLE OF TONIGHTS PLAY ON JEBET.COM.
THE DEALER WAS LENKA
START BANKROLL 500 END BANKROLL 850
I USED 25.00 DOLLAR UNITS
I THINK I WAS VERY LUCKY NO ZEROS ONLY THREE LOSSES
CHECK OUT THE WORD DOCUMENT IT SHOWS HOW I PLAY
I AM STARTING TO GET SCARED LOL
I FLAT BET THE WHOLE TIME
STUART BRANDT
CAN SOMEONE TEST THIS SUCKER LOL
Hi Bikemotorman,
I will test this but will be same place as you test sorry.. though a test is still a test ;)
wish me luck :D
LimpIN
GOOD MORNING FOLKS :thumbsup:
I NEED TO ASK THE PRO'S HERE IF 100 UNITS IS ENOUGH OF A BANKROLL TO MAKE A SESSION PROFIT.
I MESSED UP PLAYING THIS MORNING, BY USING 25.00 DOLLAR UNITS WITH A 500 DOLLAR BANKROLL, IT WAS PLAY MONEY AS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND SO I AM NOT UPSET LOL.
WOULD A 100 UNIT BANKROLL BE THE STANDARD TO BE SAFE FOR WHAT EVER UNITS YOU ARE USING.
5-5-5-10-15-25-40-65 IS THIS FIBO OK WHEN DO YOU BRAKE EVEN.
5-10-40-40-40-40-40 HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS PROGRESSION, WHEN DO YOU BRAKE EVEN PLAYING TWO DOZENS.
STUART
Hi again moto man, can you tell me if im doing this right please?
[table=,]
SPIN,#SPUN,DOZ SPUN,W/L,LAST2W/L,DOZ2PLAY,BANKROLL
1,31,3,,,,500
2,13,2,,LW,2/3,500
3,23,2,W,LL,1/3,505
4,36,3,W,LW,2/3,510
5,4,1,L,LL,2/3,500
6,13,2,W,LW,1/2,505
7,12,1,W,LL,2/3,510
8,30,3,W,LW,1/3,515
9,8,1,W,LL,2/3,520
10,15,2,W,LW,1/2,525
11,34,3,L,LL,2/3,515
12,22,2,W,LW,2/3,520
13,4,1,L,LL,2/3,510
[/table]
Thanks,
LimpIN
Hi Limpin,
It looks good to me so far. :thumbsup:
What progression are you using.
Not much call for it in the string lol. :thumbsup:
Stuart
"WOULD A 100 UNIT BANKROLL BE THE STANDARD TO BE SAFE FOR WHAT EVER UNITS YOU ARE USING." --- No. Whatever units? The higher the unit size, the higher your BR should be. Ken
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 28, 2009, 05:13:13 PM
Hi Limpin,
It looks good to me so far. :thumbsup:
What progression are you using.
Not much call for it in the string lol. :thumbsup:
Stuart
No progression just seeing how it tests flat bet, seems to be alot of wins compaired to losses so far but a longer test will tell.. best accident you've had I bet ;D
If you think it's that great test it against anyone of these single zero actuals
nolinks://nolinks.laroulette.it/Database/Archivio_casino.asp (nolinks://nolinks.laroulette.it/Database/Archivio_casino.asp)
Quote from: cvictorg on March 28, 2009, 09:30:18 PM
If you think it's that great test it against anyone of these single zero actuals
nolinks://nolinks.laroulette.it/Database/Archivio_casino.asp (nolinks://nolinks.laroulette.it/Database/Archivio_casino.asp)
I'd rather test it where i play which is same place as moto man ;)
I dont know if it is great or not great.
It seems that money management would be very important for this method, it seems to win more then it loses.
Since I am located in the US in Virginia, I am just trying to see if it is worth trying at the Casino, but it is 240 miles from me.
I as a person need to work on the discipline part if I am to play this method.
I keep wanting to go to bigger units without sufficient bankroll for the unit size.
I guess I need to grow up a bit.
I am an inventor so I by nature want to fix what is not broke.
I like this progression Hermes mentions has anyone used it.
Leveller progression:
1-2-4-4-4-4-4.... units on each dozen if you lose.
This method seems to win more then it loses lol.
Stuart Brandt :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
In the beginning play with the smallest possible units not with $25 but start with $1 on each! Don't be greedy.
Hermes
Hi Hermes,
You are correct Greed unlike the movie Wall Street said, is not a good thing.
Stuart
5-5-5-5-10-15-25-40-65
Stuart
and what you play when the 2 or 3 last wins are from the same dozen ? like 32-26-28 and you have to play the winers ?
I don`t like to be strapped into " UNITS". For instance if you are playing 2 dozens and the table minimum is $ 5 you should bring to the table a bankroll of $ 200 which is 2x the table minimum for EACH dozen. This amount is for EACH of the 3 sessions.Therefore bring $ 600.00.
The first bet on each dozen begins with $ 5. After each 2 wins in a row each dozen is being increased by 2 Dollars. After a loss revert back to the table minimum.
Do NOT chase losses but accept them. Set yourself a loss limit of 25-30 %.No negative progressions.
Shoot for a win goal of 15 -20 %.
For myself I have set a win gal of 10 - 15 % which is very easily attainable. That`s how winners are made.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
You would play.
LAST WON WHATEVER TWO DOZENS THEY ARE PERIOD.
LAST LOST WHATEVER TWO DOZENS LOST PERIOD.
IN THE CASE YOU MENTIONED YOU WOULD PLAY DOZEN 3, BUT YOU WOULD PLAY THE LAST OTHER DOZEN THAT CAME IN FOR A WIN, THAT MIGHT BE THREE TO TEN SPINS IN THE PAST WHATEVER IT IS THE LAST TWO DOZENS HIT PERIOD.
STUART
AND NO I AM NOT YELLING :thumbsup: :)
HI NATHAN,
GREAT ADVICE YOU ARE CORRECT ON THE BANKROLL, AND YES DONT CHASE LOSSES.
GREAT ADVICE.
STUART
If anyone wants to take QUICK a glimpse how Nathan Detroit plays the dozens. .
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/2-dozens-bet-selections-(-improved-method)/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/2-dozens-bet-selections-(-improved-method)/)
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
CAN SOMEONE DO A TEST ON SOME DOUBLE ZERO AMERICAN WHEELS OR DOUBLE ZERO SPINS, ARE THERE ANY HERE ON THE FORUM.
STUART :thumbsup:
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 29, 2009, 10:41:04 AM
CAN SOMEONE DO A TEST ON SOME DOUBLE ZERO AMERICAN WHEELS OR DOUBLE ZERO SPINS, ARE THERE ANY HERE ON THE FORUM.
STUART :thumbsup:
Please check Actuals section, there are some 00 actuals there:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/)
Regards.
Victor
Also, you may want to give a go to RPro numbers, there are 00's in there :)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-challenge-zone/automated-roulette-challenge/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-challenge-zone/automated-roulette-challenge/)
Hi Stuart,
Thanks for the share!
Decided to test it over 10 spins.
My results using £5 as my starting stake (per dozen).
+5
-5
-/+ 0 - I didnt apply any raised stakes to this sequence - so its what you'd expect after three spins - back to sqr one.
+5
+5
+5
+5
-10 - Next bet was £10 per dozen
-20 - Next bet was £30 per dozen
+30
= Profit of £25 (which isnt bad for approx 12mins work :p )
Thanks
biffo
nolinks://nolinks.laroulette.it/Database/Archivio_casino.asp (nolinks://nolinks.laroulette.it/Database/Archivio_casino.asp)
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 29, 2009, 10:41:04 AM
CAN SOMEONE DO A TEST ON SOME DOUBLE ZERO AMERICAN WHEELS OR DOUBLE ZERO SPINS, ARE THERE ANY HERE ON THE FORUM.
STUART :thumbsup:
I think even more suited progression than Leveller would be the Penthouse stage progression: 5-5-5-10-10-10-15-15-15-20-20-20-25-25-25 and so on until table limit. I jump to higher stages faster for higher wins: 5-5-5-10-10-10-20-20-20-30-30-30-40-40-40-50-50-50.
If you are winning bet always the minimum ($5,4,3,2,1 ?). When you lose 3 times rise to higher stage ($10) and so on. If you win cross the winner and the other 2 most recent losses. It was developed for one dozen play but you can adapt it to 2 dozen play. Bet it separately on both dozens or columns, keep separate accounts for all 3 D or C. Bankroll: 50/70 units.
Hermes
This has got promise,
testing now!
I suggest a more aggressive Grand Martingale progression.
Wins you 1 unit per, spin win or lose!
Bet 1 1
4 4
13 13
40 40
If you lose after that take the hit and start again.
I'm up to 40 units (I.e. 40 spins) up without a loss
Will let you know how it goes.
I'm using numbers from Random.org
Got to +45, then 4 losses in a row put me 116 down
Currently -71
ginger
Hi Nathan,
Thank you for sharing your 2 dozen system, early tests have proved to be successful. Could you tell me do you play this often and have you found it to be consistent over time?
Thanks
Bali
Quote from: gingermolloy on March 30, 2009, 06:21:55 AM
Got to +45, then 4 losses in a row put me 116 down
Currently -71
YOU ARE USING TO STEEP A PROGRESSION.
I HAVE BEEN USING THE FIBONACCI LIKE THIS.
FIVE DOLLAR UNITS DONT BE GREEDY.
5-5-5-10-15-25-40-65
THAT IS EIGHT STEPS IF YOU LOSE THAT MANY IN A ROW IT IS TIME TO GET A BIT OF AIR OR TAKE A BREAK, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED.
STUART :thumbsup:
ginger
HI GUY'S HERE IS A STRANGE PROGRESSION I THOUGHT OF. :thumbsup:
IT IS LIKE A FIBO, THE UNITS ARE FIVE DOLLARS.
WILL IT WORK FOR MY METHOD, I HAD SEVEN LOSSES IN A ROW BUT I MADE MISTAKES AND WAS NOT PAYING ATTENTION, MY BAD.
I CALL IT THE FLATKINDOFFIBO, LOL PRETTY LONG.
HERE WE GO.
5-5-5-5-
10-10-10
15-15
25
A BIT STRANGE BUT IT MIGHT WORK, ANY INPUT AS YOU GUYS KNOW I LIKE THE FIBONACCI LOL. :)
STUART
OK I USED IT ON JEBET FOR A WHILE I NEVER GOT PAST FIRST LEVEL,
I THINK I HAD AT THE MOST THREE LOSSES IN A ROW. :)
FLATKINDOFFIBO
THE IDEA IS TO MAKE MORE BETS AT THE LOWER LEVEL SO YOU NEVER HAVE TO GO HIGHER.
STUART
why that name? lol!
I can see: offib there.... = biffo! woooo!
obviously its flat kind of fibo :pp
WHATS UP BIFFO,
WELL JUST HAD A GREAT SESSION ON JBET, I KEPT WITH MY GAME PLAN AND STAYED DISCIPLINED.
I THINK WITH THIS METHOD ONE CAN WIN MONEY BUT YOU HAVE TO USE DISCIPLINE.
I NEED TO LEARN THAT PART LOL.
STUART
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a short test with Leveller,will do more and update you guys
[attachimg=#]
@100 spins,not too bad
Jerek,
how'd you play this? with what progression?
Thanks!
-JC
HI JEREK,
WHY NOT TRY IT WITH MY CRAZY FLATKINDOFFIBO PROGRESSION.
YOU NEVER KNOW IT MIGHT WORK REALLY WELL.
HERE IT IS IN FIVE DOLLAR UNITS.
5=5=5=5=10=10=10=15=15=25
IT WORKED REAL WELL TODAY, NOW I JUST NEED TO GET SOMEONE TO PLAY MY CRAZY METHOD AT A CASINO WITH A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL, ANY TAKERS.
I DONT FEEL LIKE DRIVING 240 MILES ONE WAY.
STUART
Quote from: JC StyLEE on March 30, 2009, 06:15:07 PM
Jerek,
how'd you play this? with what progression?
Thanks!
-JC
Leveller 1-2-4-4-4-4-4 if you hit a few loses play 4 till break even,Hermes's idea
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 30, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
HI JEREK,
WHY NOT TRY IT WITH MY CRAZY FLATKINDOFFIBO PROGRESSION.
YOU NEVER KNOW IT MIGHT WORK REALLY WELL.
HERE IT IS IN FIVE DOLLAR UNITS.
5=5=5=5=10=10=10=15=15=25
IT WORKED REAL WELL TODAY, NOW I JUST NEED TO GET SOMEONE TO PLAY MY CRAZY METHOD AT A CASINO WITH A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL, ANY TAKERS.
I DONT FEEL LIKE DRIVING 240 MILES ONE WAY.
STUART
Stuart,I am happy to test for you 100 to 200 spins or even more no problems.
However I can't drive you to the casino ;D
so its 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-5
You lose you go to the next stage till you win and restart again am I right?
@Bikemotorman >>> I MIGHT be able to try this out at my casino here (double zero wheel). I have a question regarding your progression using the $5 units. All of the wins would not be a net plus. Is that how the progression is to be used? Ken
JEREK, YOU NEED TO WIN TWICE I THINK TO BREAK EVEN.
HEY I UNDERSTAND YOU CANT DRIVE ME TO THE CASINO LOL. :thumbsup:
MR J,
I THINK WITH ANY PROGRESSION YOU ARE TRYING TO NOT LOSE TO MUCH, SO YOU CAN BE AROUND FOR THE WIN.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE Leveller, IT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, USE WHATEVER PROGRESSION YOU DESIRE.
I WOULD USE THE STANDARD FIBO WITH FIVE DOLLAR UNITS LIKE THIS.
5-5-10-15-25-40-65 THAT IS SEVEN STEPS I THINK YOU NEED TO WIN TWICE TO BE EVEN.
STUART :thumbsup:
[attachimg=#]
Leveller @ 200 spins
Look the problem I hate with double dozens/columns system is when they hit a few losses.Its really very hard to recover.Though I know masters of LWs,Victor,Lanky,Steve Morgan are very successful with LWs and always way out a winner.No matter how I tried I just could not duplicate their success,thats the reason I gave up on them.I did not lose me BR in this test but I am sure if I play more betting at 4 units a dozen trying to push my BR up to where it was at its height,I will be eaten up
I personally prefer ECs or 9 to 12 inside numbers.
Any more ideas guys?
How about trying to apply the winning streak statergy to this one
see my post below
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/surfing-the-streaks/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/surfing-the-streaks/)
ginger
Quote from: gingermolloy on March 30, 2009, 06:17:16 AM
This has got promise,
testing now!
I suggest a more aggressive Grand Martingale progression.
Wins you 1 unit per, spin win or lose!
Bet 1 1
4 4
13 13
40 40
If you lose after that take the hit and start again.
I'm up to 40 units (I.e. 40 spins) up without a loss
Will let you know how it goes.
I'm using numbers from Random.org
Has only gone down once in 100 spins
currently 22 units down
I think you may be right, this is too aggressive
ginger
Here's a point I have. If I start out with playing the two most recent hit columns AND the guy next to me starts out playing the two furthest back hit columns, is that a problem for either guy? If no is the answer, then it would NOT matter at all switching back and fourth, its the same. Ken
Hi guys!
First of all, I want to thank you for all the hard work you are doing on this forum. I have to admit that I saw a lot of good quality posts and ideas.
I want to share with you my opinion about this system after doing some collateral testing. I like very much the idea on which the system is based: random vs random. This I think is the key to find a consistent winning bet.
I like about this system that can "survive" even if a dozen doesn't show up for 30 spins or even if a dozen is repeated 10 spins in a row. Till this moment, I can see 3 flaws in this system:
-there are only two ways of betting (the last 2 dozen that won/lost; e.g: 1 2 3 appeared, then you bet either 1&2 or 2&3); but I think that you need to put the third betting option (the first appeared and the last appeared - do not bet the dozen that appeared in the middle - in my previous example, that bet would me D1&D3);
-I think that you should give more importance to the concept of random vs. random applied to this system, because this is rather a pattern vs random; the thing that makes it look like random vs random is the fact that you use a really hard to see pattern (actually you rely on the fact that that particular pattern would not appear for n spins, where n is the maximum number of your progression). I have here an example of such a pattern:
spin no.1 outcome: 1st dozen - no bets yet
spin no.2 outcome: 2nd dozen - now we bet D1&D2 (last two that won)
spin no.3 outcome: 3rd dozen - first lose - now we bet D1&D2 (first two that won)
spin no.4 outcome: 3rd dozen -second lose - now we bet D2&D3 (the last two that won)
spin no.5 outcome: 1st dozen - third lose- bet: D2&D3
spin no.6 outcome: 1st dozen - forth lose- bet D1&D3
spin no.7 outcome: 2nd dozen - fifth lose- bet D1&D3
spin no.8 outcome: 2nd dozen -sixth lose - bet D1&D2
spin no.9 outcome: 3rd dozen - seventh lose - bet D1&D2 <- here you can observe that it will repeat the pattern
spin no.10 outcome: 3rd dozen - 8th lose - bet D2&D3
spin no.11 outcome: 1st dozen - 9th lose - bet D2&D3
spin no.12 outcome: 1st dozen - 10th lose - bet D1&D3
The conclusion for this is that this system prevents losing when an extraordinary event happens (long periods of one dozen repeating itself or long periods of one dozen missing - and we have to admit that these are very common patterns for everyone, we all notice them and remember them), but it roughly fails under a pattern of Dx Dx Dy Dy Dz Dz Dx etc., pattern that has the characteristic of being "stealth" to almost everyone (if you ask someone if he saw a pattern like the one above, the answer will be NO, because it's very hard to notice - and this lead to the fact that most of us will think that such a pattern will not occur, or will occur with less probability than any other "known" pattern); the fact is that the probability the 10 unlucky spins from the example (that gave us a 10 losing streak) is the same as the probability of a dozen to repeat 10 times in a row (this is highly probable in a 100,000 spins sample) or with D1 D1 D1 D1 D1 D2 D2 D2 D2 D2.
-third: I saw a lot of posts about the best progression; I think this part should be treated as the last part of the system; a progression that will successfully pass the 10 losing streak presented above (and will still bring a +1 profit) looks like this:
1
3
9
27
81
242
729
2187
6561
19683
59049,
on each dozen (total bankroll needed: 177,144 units - we can agree that the amount is way too big);
In my opinion, we need to bring to the bet selection more randomness and after that test the efficiency with flat 1 unit betting (and after that searching for a suitable progression).
Best wishes,
sebix
Excellent Post Sebix!
I think as a group of people, we should agree that this has potential!
Working on the staking plan should be paramount as for this to work is essential.
The Kindoffibo by Stuart is OK, but over all I don't think will cut the mustard full stop.
Thanks
biffo
The fact is its a double dozen/column system,the progression is worse than martingale.You let out 2 units for 1.You hit misses in a streak you will sure sink,too hard to catch up.
This is what I think
Quote from: sebix on March 31, 2009, 05:06:55 PM
Hi guys!
First of all, I want to thank you for all the hard work you are doing on this forum. I have to admit that I saw a lot of good quality posts and ideas.
I want to share with you my opinion about this system after doing some collateral testing. I like very much the idea on which the system is based: random vs random. This I think is the key to find a consistent winning bet.
I like about this system that can "survive" even if a dozen doesn't show up for 30 spins or even if a dozen is repeated 10 spins in a row. Till this moment, I can see 3 flaws in this system:
-there are only two ways of betting (the last 2 dozen that won/lost; e.g: 1 2 3 appeared, then you bet either 1&2 or 2&3); but I think that you need to put the third betting option (the first appeared and the last appeared - do not bet the dozen that appeared in the middle - in my previous example, that bet would me D1&D3);
-I think that you should give more importance to the concept of random vs. random applied to this system, because this is rather a pattern vs random; the thing that makes it look like random vs random is the fact that you use a really hard to see pattern (actually you rely on the fact that that particular pattern would not appear for n spins, where n is the maximum number of your progression). I have here an example of such a pattern:
spin no.1 outcome: 1st dozen - no bets yet
spin no.2 outcome: 2nd dozen - now we bet D1&D2 (last two that won)
spin no.3 outcome: 3rd dozen - first lose - now we bet D1&D2 (first two that won)
spin no.4 outcome: 3rd dozen -second lose - now we bet D2&D3 (the last two that won)
spin no.5 outcome: 1st dozen - third lose- bet: D2&D3
spin no.6 outcome: 1st dozen - forth lose- bet D1&D3
spin no.7 outcome: 2nd dozen - fifth lose- bet D1&D3
spin no.8 outcome: 2nd dozen -sixth lose - bet D1&D2
spin no.9 outcome: 3rd dozen - seventh lose - bet D1&D2 <- here you can observe that it will repeat the pattern
spin no.10 outcome: 3rd dozen - 8th lose - bet D2&D3
spin no.11 outcome: 1st dozen - 9th lose - bet D2&D3
spin no.12 outcome: 1st dozen - 10th lose - bet D1&D3
The conclusion for this is that this system prevents losing when an extraordinary event happens (long periods of one dozen repeating itself or long periods of one dozen missing - and we have to admit that these are very common patterns for everyone, we all notice them and remember them), but it roughly fails under a pattern of Dx Dx Dy Dy Dz Dz Dx etc., pattern that has the characteristic of being "stealth" to almost everyone (if you ask someone if he saw a pattern like the one above, the answer will be NO, because it's very hard to notice - and this lead to the fact that most of us will think that such a pattern will not occur, or will occur with less probability than any other "known" pattern); the fact is that the probability the 10 unlucky spins from the example (that gave us a 10 losing streak) is the same as the probability of a dozen to repeat 10 times in a row (this is highly probable in a 100,000 spins sample) or with D1 D1 D1 D1 D1 D2 D2 D2 D2 D2.
-third: I saw a lot of posts about the best progression; I think this part should be treated as the last part of the system; a progression that will successfully pass the 10 losing streak presented above (and will still bring a +1 profit) looks like this:
1
3
9
27
81
242
729
2187
6561
19683
59049,
on each dozen (total bankroll needed: 177,144 units - we can agree that the amount is way too big);
In my opinion, we need to bring to the bet selection more randomness and after that test the efficiency with flat 1 unit betting (and after that searching for a suitable progression).
Best wishes,
sebix
Hi Sebix,
HOW WOULD I WORK IN THIS LAST DIMENSION YOU SPEAK OF TO THIS IDEA I HAVE COME UP WITH.
MY CRAZY LITTLE SYSTEM THAT IS.
I THINK WE COULD DO IT LIKE THIS MAYBE, SINCE I AM NEW TO ROULETTE AT LEAST COMPARED TO LANKY, LUCKY, STEVE AND OTHERS.
WOULD THIS WORK.
SEBIX HOW WOULD I INCORPORATE THIS LAST OF THREE DIMENSIONS, AND THEY ARE.
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
JUST AN IDEA SEBIX.
DO YOU THINK IT WILL WORK
STUART BRANDT::)
Great post Sebix,
Great ideas.
Not sure how we can truely get random vs random, unless we just bet on any old dozens, i.e. truely randomly.
The whole point of having a system is that it is betting against a pattern of some kind.
I would suggest that the only way to acheive what you say is to bet totally randomly with no pattern, i.e. let the dice decide.
Roll the dice twice, 1 or 2 its dozen 1, 3 or 4 its dozen 2 . . . . . .you see
The firsat 2 out get bet on.
But as we know, flat betting this will just be beaten by the 2.8% the house has on us.
A progression is therefore the way forward. but I feel that the progressions we have looked at so far are either way to soft or way too aggressive.
Just thought i would share my thoughts on this one
ginger
Hi!
This post is inspired by viper5's MURDERER system (which is in fact a system very similar with one I wanted to try these days). The idea in his system is to bet the 7 numbers around the last number that came.
In my opinion, to have a successful progression and a successful bet we have to see some things that are not quite random. One approach would be to approximate the region where the ball would land with respect to the last spin. I did some testing yesterday and saw that there is a big chance that the ball will land in the same region. When I say "big", I only want to say that it is a little grater that the theoretical probability.
The strange about roulette is that if we observe the results of 1,000,000 spins, there will be almost equal number of red/black odd/even high/low, so one might say that is common for a black to follow a red, a low to follow a high, etc...but when we look at the results, we won't ever see the numbers coming from 0 to 36 in order (that would respect the red/black high low switches); roulette has its irregularities, so a region has to hit more than another in a given number of spins. And that is what we want to take advantage of.
A strategy that I took into consideration is to observe the neighbors of the last outcome. I think that observing 4 neighbors in each direction + the last number it will be enough in the beginning. Let us take an example: the outcome is 23, so the arch will look like this:
16 -D2 - C1-
24 -D2 - C3-
5 -D1 - C2-
10 -D1 - C1-
(23) -D2 - C2-
8 -D1 - C2-
30 -D3 - C3-
11 -D1 - C2-
36 -D3 - C3-
We want to see which 2 dozens/columns are dominant. After adding up, we obtain the following result:
4 x D1 4 x C2
3 x D2 3 x C3
2 x D3 2 x C1
The following bet would be on D1&D2 or C2&C3, depending if we play dozens or columns. In case of equality between 2 dozens/columns, we could consider the dozen/column of the middle number (23 in our previous example, but there wasn't the case).
I am waiting for your feedback and some testing.
sebix
NOW I REALLY HAVE A HEADACHE OR MY HEAD JUST HURTS.
THIS METHOD HAS BEEN WORKING PRETTY WELL HOW CAN WE IMPROVE IT.
I WILL GO TO RANDOM.ORG SET THE RNG TO 1-3 AND GET SOME RANDOM DOZENS JUST FOR A GOOF, AND PLAY THEM THAT WAY ON JBET, SO I WILL HAVE MY DOZENS TO PLAY FROM RANDOM.ORG THEN GO TO JBET AND PLAY WOW THIS SHOULD BE FUN, OR INSANE BUT WHO KNOWS LOL.
THAT SHOULD BE A REAL RANDOM VERSUS RANDOM AGAINST THE WHEEL AT JBET.COM.
STUART >:( :( :o 8) ::) :-[ :-[ :thumbsup:
you need to get numbers from 0-36 and then sort them into dozens
if you just get 1,2 and 3 then you will not be taking the ZERO into account
ginger
Quote from: bikemotorman on April 01, 2009, 10:27:19 AM
NOW I REALLY HAVE A HEADACHE OR MY HEAD JUST HURTS.
THIS METHOD HAS BEEN WORKING PRETTY WELL HOW CAN WE IMPROVE IT.
I WILL GO TO RANDOM.ORG SET THE RNG TO 1-3 AND GET SOME RANDOM DOZENS JUST FOR A GOOF, AND PLAY THEM THAT WAY ON JBET, SO I WILL HAVE MY DOZENS TO PLAY FROM RANDOM.ORG THEN GO TO JBET AND PLAY WOW THIS SHOULD BE FUN, OR INSANE BUT WHO KNOWS LOL.
THAT SHOULD BE A REAL RANDOM VERSUS RANDOM AGAINST THE WHEEL AT JBET.COM.
STUART >:( :( :o 8) ::) :-[ :-[ :thumbsup:
Hello mate,can I have an input on this?
Right for this 2 x Dozens/Columns system with LWs is the 1st system that I learn here.Lanky is very good at it and he's a great teacher and friend to me.We all know Lanky has been playing it for a long time and is vert successful with it.Steve Morgan plays this as well and is also very successful as well.The maser of LWs is Victor however how his forcusing on playing atila.
As I have played it before the main wipe out factor if you have a few losses and start to progress,in the middle of recovery you got hit by anothet chain of losses,that will kae it impossible to recover.Betting 2 units in exchange for 1 unit profit,it is not economical.if you use 1/3/9/27 progression,its even worst than martingale.
The key to this is knowing when to attack and retreat,ride on a winning streak,flat bet when you hit a losing streak this takes experience only those people I mention earlier have that kind of experience and instinct.
Jerek how many losses in row did you encountered? I know from 5000 + spins praxis that it makes from time to time 6 mistakes in row. 7 mistakes in row is my record but it happens once in blue moon.
The cautious one would play after trigger LW bet. Bet always after one win e.g. LLLw bet.
I played it like this:
1/2
2/3
1/2
2/3 and so on... always rigid change. It goes good until 2nd dozen or column goes to sleep. Than the trouble starts. If you don't see 2nd dozen coming for 3 spins stop to play and wait until you see the 2nd coming again. You save a lot of bankroll.
The leveller you don't quit until you are in plus again even if it would take a week.
240 miles is not that far, but after loss it counts for double miles.
Hermes
HI GUYS,
I HAVE TWEAKED MY METHOD A BIT, I WILL BE SHOCKED IF I GET THREE LOSSES IN A ROW NOW.
I NOW PLAY THIS WAY ON A SINGLE ZERO WHEEL, I HOPE SOMEONE CAN PLAY THIS ON A DOUBLE ZERO SOON.
LAST WON TWO DOZENS.
LAST LOST TWO DOZENS.
LAST APPEARED TWO DOZENS.
I HAVE SOME EMAILS AND FOLKS ARE SAYING THE LAST APPEARED IS THE SAME AS LAST LOST, NOT ALWAYS.
IF YOU PLAY DOZEN 1 AND 2 AS YOUR LAST LOST DOZENS AND YOU LOSE BECAUSE DOZEN 3 HIT THAT MEANS YOU DID NOT HIT ON 1 AND 2 DOZENS.
THIS I THINKS ADDS ONE MORE DIMENSION TO THE CRAZY STUART METHOD OF PLAYING ROULETTE.
ANY COMMENTS
ALSO HERE IS A WORD FORM TO PLAY MY METHOD FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
STUART BRANDT :thumbsup: :-* :-[ :P ::) 8) ;D :D
OK I PLAYED ON JBET FOR TWO HOURS, THE MOST LOSSES I HAD WAS THREE in a row, WITH THE TWEAKING LOL.
STUART
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
MOST TIMES LOST IN A ROW WAS THREE
Hi bikemotorman,
Can you give an example of how you missed 3 in a row and won on the 4th please?
In your above example, the last 2 to appear is dozen 1 & 2, and it also is the last 2 doz to lose. Sorry if I'm being thick-headed, but I just want to understand completely then I'm going to give it a try.
Ronin
Sorry if I'm being th
WHAT I CAN DO IS PLAY ON JEBET AND FILL IN MY WORD FORM AND POST IT HERE AND YOU CAN READ IT.
OK
STUART
motorman, what is the difference between "last two that appeared" and "last two that won"? If I have A-B-C-A, A and B come in first two spins so I bet A and B because they are the last two that won (and lose on C), now C is last decision so I bet A and B because they are the last two to lose (because C came in so I bet A and B, is that correct?), and now I am to bet last two to appear which is C and A (same as last two to win)-- how is this different from betting last two to win, last two to lose, and last two to win again?
I have been down this road and I can tell you that you will get wiped out by any progression on double dozens and/or columns and if you don't think a couple zeroes and the wrong dozens or columns won't come in more than four or five times in a row you are in for a rude awakening. I have 350 spins I recorded myself from real double zero roulette wheels broken down by nos, dozens, columns, etc so you can save yourself a trip to the casino and probably a lot of money if you want to play with them. If someone wants to explain how to post the download link here I guess I can do that.
HI SIMON,
I THOUGHT WITH BETTING TWO DOZENS YOU HAVE A 65 PERCENT CHANCE TO WIN, AND THAT IS ON A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL.
HOW DO YOU PLAY AND DOES YOUR SYSTEM WORK.
MAYBE I SHOULD PLAY CRAPS AGAIN, ON THE DONT PASS YOU HAVE I THINK A 70 PERCENT CHANCE TO WIN AFTER THE COME OUT.
HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST I PLAY TO MAKE AROUND 50 BUCKS PER HOUR.
STUART
MY IDEA WITH THIS SYSTEM WAS TO MAYBE COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA CASH AND PLAY SOME ROULETTE, OF COURSE NO GUARANTEES BUT IF YOU HAVE A METHOD THAT WORKS I WILL TRY IT.
OK HERE IS MY PLAY FOR 45 MINUTES ON JBET IT IS ON A WORD DOCUMENT AND IS ATTACHED TO THIS MESSAGE.
IT SHOULD ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON HOW I PLAY THIS METHOD.
THE DEALER IS VILNIS THE MOST TIMES I LOST IN A ROW WAS TWO.
WHY I DONT KNOW.
I HAD ONE ZERO.
I SEEM TO BE GETTING LUCKY, IT IT WERE A DOUBLE ZERO AMERICAN WHEEL I AM SURE I WOULD HAVE HAD 4 ZEROS.
STUART
Question regarding Jbet, I know nothing about it. Real money? Practice play? Ken
PRACTICE PLAY BUT THE SPINS ARE REAL.
LIVE WHEEL NO RNG.
DEALER VILNIS.
ONE ZERO IN 23 SPINS.
I WAS UP 85 DOLLARS IN 45 MINUTES USING 5 DOLLAR CHIPS, I STARTED WITH A 500 DOLLAR BANK.
I USED A MILD PROGRESSION. 5 10 15 25 40 65
STUART :thumbsup:
I have not read every post yet so excuse me if this was brought up. You want to get maybe two extra free spins from your progression? Why not wait until you have TWO losses in a row (virtual), then start progression. *IF* the waiting part of it is too long, maybe one loss (virtual), then start real play. Ken
THAT IS A GOOD IDEA, I JUST HAD 4 LOSSES IN A ROW ON JEBET.
IT THAT NOT WHAT STEVE MORGAN AND LANKY AND STEVE DO, THEY PLAY VIRTUAL FOR A BIT AND THEY ATTACK.
MAYBE I JUST SHOULD LEARN TO DO THAT I WOULD DO MUCH BETTER.
THAT IS AN IDEA I SHOULD MESS WITH.
STUART
Keep in mind, less wins but also less chance of losing the progression. The WAITING part is not for everyone, too many gamblers are too hyper and want it all and want it fast, its a shame. Ken
GREAT INSIGHT KEN,
IF WOULD QUIT WHILE WE WERE AHEAD THE CASINOS WOULD FOLD LOL.
I AM GOING TO TRY THE WAITING TRICK PLAY VIRTUAL A BIT.
STUART
Cool, like I said, if waiting for TWO losses first takes too long, switch it to waiting for one loss. Just my opinion. Ken
How does one play virtual at a live table in a B & M casino?? You get up and wait?? Then join the action again or remain standing to begin with?
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Easy, its basically "what ifs". You mark on paper or keep it in your head (lol), the beginning of your betting (progression, whatever). What you WOULD be playing if you had REAL money on the table. You lose, lose, lose, lose....then start real money betting. You just saved "X" number of dollars/steps without it costing you a dime. I think you know this but are asking anyways. Ken
I still don't get it? Last 2 appeared is the same as last 2 won. The last 2 appearing must be the last won e.g. if 3rd dozen is sleeping the last 2 winners can be only 1st and 2nd dozen or zero. Very confusing statement "last 2 appeared" that's why you got 4 losses in row.
Hermes
OK HERMES,
MY MISTAKE.
HOW CAN WE DO WHAT THIS GENT SAYS READ BELOW.
-there are only two ways of betting (the last 2 dozen that won/lost; e.g: 1 2 3 appeared, then you bet either 1&2 or 2&3); but I think that you need to put the third betting option (the first appeared and the last appeared - do not bet the dozen that appeared in the middle - in my previous example, that bet would me D1&D3);
STUART
Motorman why did your response to my post have no relevance what-so-ever to my question, or my offer to provide you with something you were looking for? Is English your second language? Why do you type in all caps?
I WAS WRONG SIMON, I GUESS THEY ARE THE SAME MY FAULT I APOLOGIZE.
BUT I THINK THIS METHOD HAS SOME PROMISE STILL.
AGAIN MY FAULT.
STUART
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on April 03, 2009, 08:36:56 PM
How does one play virtual at a live table in a B & M casino?? You get up and wait?? Then join the action again or remain standing to begin with?
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Hi Nathan.
Mate I think the difference is where people play at.
Like over here in Australia we can stand 2-3- deep and lean over and place our bets at any Table.
Unlike what You guys have to do over in America.
You guys mainly have to sit down to play I think.
Another thing is that as long as there are other people playing around us We can get away with not betting for some time.
If there is only Me well thats different...they don't really like it if You don't play when the wheel is going around....like they will spin it a couple of times for You but after that they expect You to Play.
I hope I have explained it OK for You My Friend.
Lanky.
OK I STAND CORRECTED.
NO MORE LAST APPEARED.
TODAY I WILL BE WORKING ON THIS TWIST TO MY SYSTEM.
PLAY IN THIS ORDER SEE IF IT WORKS.
LAST TWO DOZENS WON.
LAST TWO DOZENS WON.
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST.
LAST TOW DOZENS LOST.
I HAVE BEEN PLAYING THIS WAY I WILL SEE IF IT CHANGES ANYTHING.
AND I DONT PLAY WITH RNG.
STUART
Hello ,
I think of this idea and i realy think that there is some potential.
The way that i tried is conected with LW strategy
I start to make a registry and bet 1-3-9 after two consecutive L
ex. LLnolinkswwLLLw
or bet after a single W occure hunting for a bunches of W
ex. nolinkswLw(triger)LLw(bet here),again with prog. 1-3-9
Usual for a 100 spins I made 6-8 units
The losses are rare and in these cases i lost 13 units
Best regards
I'll use columns as an example. In terms of STARTING OUT >>> why not wait until the same column has hit twice in a row, then start on the other two? At least its a starting point. :thumbsup: Ken
HI GUYS,
SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, GO FOR IT.
IF WE WORK TOGETHER IT MIGHT BE A REAL PLUS. :thumbsup:
STUART
HEY GUYS I PLAYED THIS WAY TODAY.
I have been playing on Jbet, but what I am doing is crazy.
I have one browser open on Jbet.
And one browser open on Random.org, what I do is set the RNG to 1 thru 36, I then hit generate and the Random.org numbers from one thru 36 tell me what to play on Jbet.
I am playing two dozens at a time kind of like SOME OF YOU GUYS do.
Of course it is play money lol.
But so far it is RANDOM AGAINST RANDOM.
So the Rng is giving me my bet selection, and what dozens to play.
If the rng tells me to play dozen one I play the other two dozens, I am playing the reverse lol.
It is insane and seems to be working very very well lol.
STUART
HARD WORK NEVER COST ME A PENNY
Hi bike and nice for you happy winnings.
LS
lol sorry for one thing do i did reply to this and assume you was talking about something eles so now i modify and change this reply ;)
Cheers
I played this real money and won $20 within 30 spins. Playing only last 2 dozens won / last 2 dozens lost ... repeating that all the way through... with a 1-3-9-27 prog.
after an L i start my prog.
if i encounter LLL... i wait for a W to hit then on the next L i finish off my progfression 9-27... looks good.
Guys, I think your progressions are too explosive. Instead use the nature of the game, as it is usually cycles of concentration and dispersion trying to overcome maximum deviations with explosive progressions isn't the best way. No use in getting "your hitting time" (namely "concentration of hits") after depleting your bank.
Better use schemes like grinder's counter and the like rising after a win and flat betting the bad times (or not betting at all).
When I evaluate a system I always do it from the perspective of how does it handle losing streaks, does it cut it? does it expect the wheel won't go past XYZ consecutive losses? and precisely the systems which try to attack the "bell" of the gaussian distribution of hits and "let out" on the extremes + use slow progressions are the ones to keep an eye on.
My advice is to stop using explosive betting schemes and take out the "if I only had another step in my progression" to "I better use concentration of hits and patience to overcome the bad beats".
Regards,
Victor
GOOD TO HEAR WIGGY.
I HOPE YOU DO WELL WITH IT.
I STILL CANT UNDERSTAND THE LLL WWW DEAL, I MUST BE STUPID OR I DONT KNOW.
WHAT DOLLAR UNITS ARE YOU USING.
STUART
Quote from: VLSroulette on April 05, 2009, 09:44:05 PM
Guys, I think your progressions are too explosive. Instead use the nature of the game, as it is usually cycles of concentration and dispersion trying to overcome maximum deviations with explosive progressions isn't the best way. No use in getting "your hitting time" (namely "concentration of hits") after depleting your bank.
Better use schemes like grinder's counter and the like rising after a win and flat betting the bad times (or not betting at all).
When I evaluate a system I always do it from the perspective of how does it handle losing streaks, does it cut it? does it expect the wheel won't go past XYZ consecutive losses? and precisely the systems which try to attack the "bell" of the gaussian distribution of hits and "let out" on the extremes + use slow progressions are the ones to keep an eye on.
My advice is to stop using explosive betting schemes and take out the "if I only had another step in my progression" to "I better use concentration of hits and patience to overcome the bad beats".
Regards,
Victor
HI VICTOR YOU KNOW THE DEAL.
FLAT BETTING IS BETTER.
I WISH I COULD GET THE JIST OF WHAT YOU AND STEVE AND LANKY DO.
RIGHT NOW I AM WORKING ON A SCOOTER INVENTION OF MY DESIGN AND JUST CANT GET THIS ROULETTE STUFF CORRECT.
STUART
HOW DO I GET RID OF THIS THREAD, I WANT TO START OVER WITH THIS THREAD SO I WANT TO DELETE AND PUT MORE UP TO DATE INFO.
MY SYSTEM HAS BEEN DOING WELL.
STUART
Start a different thread calling it PART 2. Ken
Yes MRJ has the answer PART 2 i think would be grand please do it we are looking foreward to it& good luck Colin
To play 2 dozens with flat betting is more than difficult! The 1-3-9-27 progression after Lw as a trigger should keep you for long time over water. Bikemotorman Lw's are easy. It is all about virtual play until you see one w (w=win, L=loss). e.g. you see LLLw that means if you would play you would 3 times lose and one time win but only on the paper. After one paper win you start to bet for real expecting lot of nolinksnolinks. If they don't come you play again only on paper until you see another Lw to try win lot of nolinksnolinks again with some flat progression. The lw shows how is your strategy or system performing.
Hermes
"It is all about virtual play" --- BINGO, I agree. Ken
This is a really solid system - really good for tracking LW's...
What is a really good System Wiggy and why.
Have you had some success with it on Jbet.
Stuart
I stay away from online casinos of any form.
I've tested it against some actuals from Dublinbet, and it performs really well...
Vic's Lw methods would work a treat here.
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 27, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
OK WHATS UP GUYS,
THIS METHOD IS WINNING MORE THEN I COULD HOPE, I NEED SOMEONE TO RUN THIS METHOD ON A LIVE WHEEL BESIDES JEBET.
I EVEN PLAYED FLAT BET FOR A WHILE AND WAS UP ONE UNIT, SOMEBODY TEST THIS DEAL ON A RNG AND A LIVE AMERICAN WHEEL.
I WILL PAY 50.00 BUCKS FOR A PLAYER TO GO TO A CASINO HERE IN THE US TO TRY THIS SYSTEM ON A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL, YOU MUST USE 5 DOLLAR UNITS YOU SHOULD BE UP 50 BUCKS IN ONE HOUR.
YOU NEED TO USE THE FIBONACCI PROGRESSION.
WHO IS NEAR A US CASINO AND CAN HELP.
YOU WILL GET PAYMENT AFTER YOU EMAIL OR PHONE ME THE RESULTS.
THE NEAREST CASINO TO MY HOUSE IS 240 MILES SO I NEED SOMEONE WHO IS NEAR A CASINO WITH THE DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL.
THANK YOU
STUART BRANDT
PS GUYS CHECK OUT MY YOUTUBE VIDEOS I AM AN INVENTOR LINK BELOW
I'm 10 minutes from a casino and I'll test it for free. You don't need to use $5 units to prove it works. I can play $.25 units and if it doesn't work, no big deal, I'll lose about 20 bucks, so what. Sound good?
Sounds awesome! Good luck bro. Ken
Any updates?
Thanks
biffo
HEY BIFFO,
I AM STILL WORKING ON USING THIS WITH LANKYS LWS IN SOME WAY BUT I HIT SEVEN SPINS IN A ROW THAT I LOST ON SO THERE IS A WEAKNESS IN SOME WAY LOL.
I AM WORKING ON IT AND A PROGRESSION TO USE ANY IDEAS.
STUART :) ;) :D ;D 8) ::) :P :-X :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I have played your system since I had a similar one (although not so well thought out :D ) I simply played 1st row and 2nd row, then 2nd row and 3rd row, then 2nd and 1st etc.
Your system is quite good. I played over 100 spins, starting with $111 in $1 chips. My highest was $191 (I planned to quit when reaching 200), but then I had a run of bad luck and was forced to stop at the 3rd progression. I used 1 3 9 27. It is good that I stopped their since I had another few spins before hitting a win again. Maybe if I had a bigger bankroll I would have tried further. I ended up with $126. I continued playing flat bets and quit after I had $146, since I was not able to break this barrier (going up a bit before going down again. . . always hovering around this mark). Not bad, but I must have a bigger bankroll (as you indicated).
This system is certainly consistent. I will try this system with 0. 1 units with my balance of $146. The only problem is that this method is slow when playing $1 chips. Probably will be quite profitable with a large BR and $25 or $50 chips.
I will let you guys know as I progress
This system does not succeed when flat betting. Although there is quite a lot of winning streaks, is it not enough to keep afloat. Progression is the key, but with a progression of 1 3 9 27 81 etc. you need quite a large bankroll.
The system appears to be sound, but I ran into trouble two times (mainly due to a bankroll that was to small).
Can anyone guess how big BR should be to safely play this system with the following chips:
5 - BR???
10 - BR???
25 - BR??
I believe that a big enough BR can make this system extremely effective.
I made some calculations (please correct this if I am wrong).
To play with $1 chips, you will need $732 to survive a 6 step progression
To play with $5 chips, you will need $3660 to survive a 6 step progression
To play with $10 chips, you will need $7360 to survive a 6 step progression
To play with $25 chips, you will need $18300 to survive a 6 step progression.
It seems a bit steep.
I played this system online with playmoney. Here is the results.
I started with $5930 (play money - wish it was mine :'( ) I played $25 chips
After 29 spins I was at $6430. I decided to stop there since I made $500 in 29 spins. It equals $17 per spin.
So this system really promises good money, but you really need a large BR.
I reached a 4 step progression once :o and I needed $1350 to win back losses with a $25 profit. Luckily I won that hand. Else the next bet should have been $4050 (if my progression table is correct). Risky, but at least more than 3 step progression are scarce, but if they hit it will bankrupt you
Babs - I've done some testing,
This system needs a strtegy like tracking Lw's and going after streaks with flat betting... do not get caught up thinking a progression will work...
in 1000 spins i tested i rarely got 4 Losses in a row... but there was once where i encountered 7 in a row...
1,3,9,27,81,243,729 as a progression for that is way too much for a one unit win...
bikemotorman was onto a good thing when trying to aply an alternate betting strategy here... coupled with Lw tracking - then you might consider real money play...
QuoteThis system needs a strtegy like tracking Lw's and going after streaks with flat betting
I am new to this. Could you please explain the term Lw's. I suspect it has something to do with wins vs. losses. Please explain how do I track them.
Have a read of this
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/the-vls-lw-methodology/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/the-vls-lw-methodology/)
It's a method of tracking spins to identify trends which will indicate a best chance to bet scenario
Thanks Wiggy,
I will look into it
Quotein 1000 spins I tested I rarely got 4 Losses in a row... but there was once where I encountered 7 in a row...
1,3,9,27,81,243,729 as a progression for that is way too much for a one unit win...
Friends, you have to use concentration of wins to recoup. Those money management schemes distributing recovery at more than one win (a series of hits, alternated with losses or not) are the ones which I see can have some chance.
Of course, concentration of hits may never come, but you get A PRECIOUS, VALUABLE TIME to think whether you should stay or cut the loss, and not just triple your bets for not even knowing what happened after the adrenaline rush and that 8th L in a row.
1-win-recoups-all is not an option, that's my rule number 1.
Regards,
Victor
This system is based on alternating our bet selection on the 3 Dozens, (1-12, 13-24, 25-36)
We are betting 2 dozens at a time... 1&3/2&3/1&2
The theory is to bet every spin playing 2 dozens at a time based on the previous spin alternating between Last 2 dozens that won and Last 2 dozens that lost...
Ex...
#14 (Dozen 2)
#34 (Dozen 3) For the next spin we play last 2 dozens won (2&3)
#3 (Dozen 1) We lose - so now we bet on the last two dozens that Lost which are (2&3) again.
#22 We win this spin - so next we'de bet on the last two dozens that won again (1&2)...
We repeat this process and without placing money on the table end up with a Lw registry - pointing out the wins/losses trend the table is throwing out...
We'de end up with something for example like nolinksLwwLLwLLww <-- this is just a spin by spin run down of Wins Vs Losses. We can then apply a strategy to this style of playing
Hope that explanation helps...
Victor - what strategies would you suggest?
I DONT USE ANY LW CONCEPT ON PLAYING THIS METHOD.
I WAS TRYING WHEN I CAME UP THIS TO ADD A RANDOM VERSUS RANDOM EFFECT, THE RANDOM EFFECT IS NOT ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
THE GUYS WHO USE THE LWS DONT I WOULD THINK USE A RANDOM PLAYING METHOD.
THEY ARE AFTER CERTAIN STREAKS ON CERTAIN DOZENS OR COLUMNS TO LOWER THE RISK OF LOSING AND HOPEFULLY RAISE THE CHANCE WINNING. JUST READ ABOUT STEVE MORGAN.
WITH MY KRAZY METHOD I BET NON STOP, THE IDEA IS TO LOWER THE LOSING STREAKS BUT IT ALSO BY ACCIDENT MIGHT CAUSE YOU TO MISS A WINNING STREAK.
THE LWS METHOD SEEMS TO BE ABOUT TIMING, THERE MAYBE A DOZEN THAT HAS NOT WON IN 14 SPINS, TODAY I SAW A DOZEN THAT HAD NOT HIT IN NINE SPINS, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTING ON THE OTHER TWO LOL.
MY METHOD DOES WORK BUT IT NEEDS A GOOD PROGRESSION LOL. :thumbsup:
STUART
With this method eventually you'll hit a winning streak - I think Vic's left most cancellation strategy would work well, or the Midas Method similar approach. Although on a loss playing two dozens doubles the amount lost that you're trying to win...
Hi Guys,
I need some help with my system.
I am not sure what is causing it to lose, I don't know if it is the LDozens or the Jumpdozens that is giving me a problem.
I play like I always do LAST WON DOZENS THEN NEXT SPIN LAST LOST DOZENS, BUT AT ONE POINT I WILL HAVE MAYBE SIX STRAIGHT LOSSES OR SEVEN IN A ROW.
I AM TRYING TO SEE IF IT IS THE LD, OR THE JD THAT IS GIVING ME THE LOSSES, I AM ASKING HELP FROM THE VERY SEASONED ROULETTE PLAYERS.
YES I CAN PLAY VIRTUAL BUT MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN TWEAK THIS FOR ME I MAY GO TO USE THE SYSTEM LIVE SOON.
I KNOW WE WILL HAVE LOSSES BUT I WANT TO SEE IF I CAN ALTER MY PLAY ON THE FLY TO PREVENT SUCH LOSSES, STEVE MORGAN SAYS HE PLAYS HIS METHOD TILL IT FAILS IN A VIRTUAL MODE THEN PUTS HIS CASH ON THE LINE I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO DO THE SAME.
MAYBE I CAN START BETTING AFTER MY METHOD FAILS IN VIRTUAL THEN START PLAYING FOR REAL.
THE METHOD IS THE SAME.
LAST WON DOZENS
LAST LOST DOZENS
LAST WON DOZENS
LAST LOST DOZENS
AND ON AND ON
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP GUYS
STUART THE BIKEMOTORMAN BRANDT :)
Hi Bikemotorman,
If he does not see this thread pm Victor,
he is damn good in this department,
Regards,
Davemd.
Hey Dave,
I am hoping he will help me on my method or system lol.
If I can figure out what is making it lose maybe I can fix it.
I know all systems lose in the end but I am only planning on playing a few hours a week lol, the casinos house edge is based on 24/7 365 days a year.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on May 06, 2009, 08:26:27 PM
Hey Dave,
I am hoping he will help me on my method or system lol.
If I can figure out what is making it lose maybe I can fix it.
I know all systems lose in the end but I am only planning on playing a few hours a week lol, the casinos house edge is based on 24/7 365 days a year.
Stuart
Hi Stuart.
Mate put up the Numbers as they came out Going down the page and what You bet on and I will track it down for You from there and see if I can be of some help to You.
Your Mate.
Lanky.
OK LANKY,
HERE YOU GO I JUST PLAYED ON JBET FOR 45 MINUTES.
I DID NOT HAVE TOO MANY LOSSES TODAY BUT CHECK IT OUT.
LAST WON 31L
LAST WON 4 L
LAST LOST 0 L
LAST WON 10W
LAST LOST 16W
LAST WON 15W
LAST LOST 27W
LAST WON 12L
LAST LOST 9 L
LAST WON 29W
LAST LOST 3 W
LAST WON 0 L
LAST LOST 29W
LAST WON 35W
LAST LOST 17W
LAST WON 0 L
LAST LOST 1 L
LAST WON 32W
LAST LOST 12W
LAST WON 14W
LAST LOST 9 W
LAST WON 1 W
LAST LOST 22W
LAST WON 6 W
LAST LOST 23W
LAST WON 2 W
LAST LOST 31W
LAST WON 10W
LAST LOST 30W
LAST WON 0 L
LAST LOST 27W
LAST WON 24L
LAST LOST 12W
LAST WON 33L
LAST LOST 36L
LAST WON 32W
LAST LOST 29L
DONE
STUART :) :give_heart: :sarcastic: ;) :D
Hello bikemotorman,
Do you continue betting when you hit a 0(zero)? Or do you re track?
Thanks & Regards
sniper
I wish I had seen this thread last week, just getting back from AC. But luckly I have to go back to finish up my work in Philly next week.
This looks like it will work well with my favorite progession the Oscar Grind. With a 400 unit bankroll.
I will be coming up from NC and will do the live test for you or pick you up and we can share the room. I need to be there until Wendsday when I will finish work and drive back to NC that night.
Phishalot
Hi Stuart.
Mate I was expecting You to put up the bad Run You had before.
But never mind this will have to do.
I won't comment on the Zeros as I nearly always have them as a Saver bet or win on them.
QuoteOK LANKY,
HERE YOU GO I JUST PLAYED ON JBET FOR 45 MINUTES.
I DID NOT HAVE TOO MANY LOSSES TODAY BUT CHECK IT OUT.
LAST WON 31L
LAST WON 4 L
LAST LOST 0 L
LAST WON 10W << I will start from here Now
LAST LOST 16W
LAST WON 15W
LAST LOST 27W
LAST WON 12L << that's a LD loss
LAST LOST 9 L << that's a JD loss
LAST WON 29W
LAST LOST 3 W
LAST WON 0 L
LAST LOST 29W
LAST WON 35W
LAST LOST 17W
LAST WON 0 L
LAST LOST 1 L <<that's a LD loss
LAST WON 32W
LAST LOST 12W
LAST WON 14W
LAST LOST 9 W
LAST WON 1 W
LAST LOST 22W
LAST WON 6 W
LAST LOST 23W
LAST WON 2 W
LAST LOST 31W
LAST WON 10W
LAST LOST 30W
LAST WON 0 L
LAST LOST 27W
LAST WON 24L << that's an LD loss
LAST LOST 12W
LAST WON 33L << that's an LD loss
LAST LOST 36L << that's a JD loss
LAST WON 32W
LAST LOST 29L << that's a JD loss
DONE
STUART
There You Go Mate.
Lanky.
I have read the entire thread with interest and have been playing the system for the last couple of weeks.
Discipline is very important.
I wait for one loss and then play the 1 - 3 -9 -27 progression.
My aim each session is to win 3 units and then walk away.
I know this doesn't sound a lot but my aim is to be a winner at roulette and not a loser.
I've played roulette a lot of the years and discipline and greed is something that makes you loose!
Gambling friends of mine always say one more spin, even of they have got to the magical number they wanted to win.
They end up going under their profit aim and then get frustrated and lose!
So far so good!
Once I've got to my 3 unit win I do get tempted to play on but what I have noticed is the less time you exposure your money on the table in any given session the less chance you have of losing.
Even if you win 1 chip a day you are a winner!
Keep your discipline on this system and wait for a virtual loss or two then begin playing.
One session took me over an hour before I put my first bet on but I won the first bet!
Just imagine tracking w and l to working towards your end goal which is a profit!
Interesting approach! I like it. Congratulation Steward!
It could be played many ways and also on Columns. Leveller progression could hold also.
What about mix it up? Play last winning dozen/column or last lost dozen/column?
Example:
D1 D2 D3 -C1 C2 C3
30 X X
next spin bet D3/C3 Both can win!!!
Hermes
how about flat's progression from the other forum ... +2 on lose -1 on win
I have made an excelprogram for the dozens.
Betting system 1-3-9-27-54-etc.
Sample 150 spins.
You can download theprogram for free:nolinks://nolinks.mijnbestand.nl/Bestand-CAS8KK6XMBHB.xlsx
Please give your remarks
Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 14, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
I have made an excelprogram for the dozens.
Betting system 1-3-9-27-54-etc.
Sample 150 spins.
You can download theprogram for free:nolinks://nolinks.mijnbestand.nl/Bestand-CAS8KK6XMBHB.xlsx
Please give your remarks
I !! Thanks for your work but I don't understand wich file is the excel we must use... Could you help me please? ;)
I don`t understand your question. I have proved the link and I became the program. There is a button to activate the program.
It is a study for the dozens. I programmed the system for the SSB-method. A sample of 150 spins gives nearly a profit + or - 90 units. Therefor is a mathematical explanation.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 14, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
I have made an excelprogram for the dozens.
Betting system 1-3-9-27-54-etc.
Sample 150 spins.
You can download theprogram for free:nolinks://nolinks.mijnbestand.nl/Bestand-CAS8KK6XMBHB.xlsx
Please give your remarks
1,3,9,27 progression is a recipe for disaster. You can use when you see dozen sleep for 20+ spins maybe. Otherwise to much risk.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on March 18, 2012, 02:34:55 PM
1,3,9,27 progression is a recipe for disaster. You can use when you see dozen sleep for 20+ spins maybe. Otherwise to much risk.
Regards
i agree to this ... and i learned ot the hard way :(
Robeenhuut: You didnot study the program. A random sequence of 4 dozens will fall in average once in 81 spins,After every hit you start with a new random sequence.The chance you have a no-hit is once in 81 spins .
I think I might have something to contribute here
@bikemotorman
no offence mate, I personally don't see any thing special in your system. You're not gaining any advantage by playing it your way.
nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1203189345/s-new/#num340 (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1203189345/s-new/#num340)
Another double dozen system and the OP (Simon) claims that he made £18,000 playing that system for a year simply by alternating and always have a bet in the middle dozen. He mentioned that he went to the seventh progression twice.
I have a sample of 10,000 spins and I asked my flatmate to run some tests playing it the way Simon plays. It turns out that 7 progression happened 4 times, two 8 progressions and a single 9 progression. So if you can go up to 7 progression, then you can always stay in profit.
I recently got to know a guy from smartlive. We exchanged our e-mails and he told me about his double dozen system which was quite interesting. He also told me he made lot of money from roulette using his system and bought a Landrover because of it.
Basically:
Only bet the last 2 dozen appeared, flat betting only. No progression. You might be thinking what??? Here is part two:
After 5 losses, he would put 10 units on each dozen and use the 1-3-9-27 progression until he wins, then just go back to flat betting again.
Anyone want to testout?
Haven't you seen 3,2,1 alternating 9 times in a row,or 1,2,3----1,3,2-----3,1,2-----2,1,3-----2,3,1---
well if you haven't I can assure you it happens more then you would imagine it could.I have seen it 13 times once,as thought as you now,but after testing it throughouly it just fails on long terms....maybe
on night play basis it could work...but untill when.
Quote from: Amazin on March 21, 2012, 06:45:18 PM
I think I might have something to contribute here
@bikemotorman
no offence mate, I personally don't see any thing special in your system. You're not gaining any advantage by playing it your way.
nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1203189345/s-new/#num340 (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1203189345/s-new/#num340)
Another double dozen system and the OP (Simon) claims that he made £18,000 playing that system for a year simply by alternating and always have a bet in the middle dozen. He mentioned that he went to the seventh progression twice.
I have a sample of 10,000 spins and I asked my flatmate to run some tests playing it the way Simon plays. It turns out that 7 progression happened 4 times, two 8 progressions and a single 9 progression. So if you can go up to 7 progression, then you can always stay in profit.
I recently got to know a guy from smartlive. We exchanged our e-mails and he told me about his double dozen system which was quite interesting. He also told me he made lot of money from roulette using his system and bought a Landrover because of it.
Basically:
Only bet the last 2 dozen appeared, flat betting only. No progression. You might be thinking what??? Here is part two:
After 5 losses, he would put 10 units on each dozen and use the 1-3-9-27 progression until he wins, then just go back to flat betting again.
Anyone want to testout?
Do you play a progression afte 5 CONSECUTIVE losses?
Must be the progression 10-30-90-270 units instead 1-3-9-27?
Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 14, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
I have made an excelprogram for the dozens.
Betting system 1-3-9-27-54-etc.
Sample 150 spins.
You can download theprogram for free:nolinks://nolinks.mijnbestand.nl/Bestand-CAS8KK6XMBHB.xlsx
Please give your remarks
Does this program works in Excel 2007?
Thanks
Gents
This is a bastardization of the old "Steve Morgan System" I purchased years ago for $35. I did a test of Steve's idea through all--and I do mean ALL- 15,000 spins of the Zuma 00 roulette tester. It did amazingly well against such odds. I think it would have at least broken even against the 0 wheel.
Anyway, I've spent a year trying to understand Lanky's six point divisor for two dozens and finally got it. Yes, I'm slow! But I got it.
I am currently playing this system with the divisor at Dublin. I believe this is as close to a winning method as I've ever seen. It does require a large bankroll ($5/$1,000), but as Lanky once said--it never looses. Yeah, it pokes around for twenty spins trying to get back to even, but it has always gotten there.
Caveat: I know I won't live long enough (you won't either) to test it, but it seems mathematically viable.
As long as I'm sitting at Dublin playing my guitar, I might as well test that Uly thing and see if there is some validity to it also.
Speak people! I'd even like Number6 to come along and tell me how I'm wasting my time!
Samster
For the last time, then I'll shut up............
This certainly seems to be a winning idea when coupled with Lanky's divisor. I would surely play for real on Dublin if I could.
The most bets the divisor has taken to return to zero is 20.
The flip-flop on the dozens/columns does two things: If you have a sleeping dozen, it will pass it by. If you have a hot dozen, it will always hit it. We're basing that statement on three tries. 1 3 9 progression. Lose? Use the divisor to return to zero and carry on.
The thing about the divisor is this: If the wheel is throwing dozens like it should, you win. If it's throwing in your direction, you win quicker. If it's throwing in the wrong direction, the divisor will let you sweat it out and wait for the change.
I'm done.
Sam
I think Steve Morgan died last year. He has not replied to 3 of my emails now. The last email I sent was around 2 months ago and the last reply was march last year. He was a really nice man who coached me he's way of playing.
You wait for a dozen or column to repeat a pattern. Ie Dozen1Dozen1Dozen2Dozen2 Dozen1Dozen1Dozen2Dozen2
You bet against that pattern forming again, so I would then bet on dozens 2 and 3.
Regrettably though I found out the hard way in gala casino that it was flawed.
I won't go into it but after deep research, I realised the truth about roulette.
--He didn't but his method did.
--He didn't but his method did.
"the truth about roulette."
The truth about roulette is the ball will land where it lands regardless of where it landed in the past. Even knowing this, I still love the game.
And, yes, Steve's method did not work unless luck dictated so.
I was far more interested in how it reduced volatility rather than the bottom line. Still am.....
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 28, 2012, 04:22:35 PM
"the truth about roulette."
The truth about roulette is the ball will land where it lands regardless of where it landed in the past. Even knowing this, I still love the game.
Sam
The ball will land where it lands for a reason, there are ways to exploit this fact.
Quad
From what I've read over the years, I'm sure you're right. It is just not my area of interest. Perhaps that makes me a looser. So be it.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 27, 2012, 03:58:53 PM
Gents
This is a bastardization of the old "Steve Morgan System" I purchased years ago for $35. I did a test of Steve's idea through all--and I do mean ALL- 15,000 spins of the Zuma 00 roulette tester. It did amazingly well against such odds. I think it would have at least broken even against the 0 wheel.
Anyway, I've spent a year trying to understand Lanky's six point divisor for two dozens and finally got it. Yes, I'm slow! But I got it.
I am currently playing this system with the divisor at Dublin. I believe this is as close to a winning method as I've ever seen. It does require a large bankroll ($5/$1,000), but as Lanky once said--it never loses. Yeah, it pokes around for twenty spins trying to get back to even, but it has always gotten there.
Caveat: I know I won't live long enough (you won't either) to test it, but it seems mathematically viable.
As long as I'm sitting at Dublin playing my guitar, I might as well test that Uly thing and see if there is some validity to it also.
Speak people! I'd even like Number6 to come along and tell me how I'm wasting my time!
Samster
Hello
How do you play it because Lanky's divisor can be applied to many systems?
Which 2 dozens system are you referring to?
Regards
Rob (May I call you Rob? I'm old and typing these long names puts me closer to the grave! Well, that did, too!!!)
I am talking about the system where you bet the last dozens missed and the the last dozen hit. Just flip-flop.
H...Bet the last two dozen hit
M...Bet the last two dozens that missed.
H..and so on...
M
H
Use 1 3 9 progression. A triple loss is equal to 26 units. Use the same H M scheme, only use the divisor to get back to zero. This make take twenty spins. People will laugh. You will leave the casino a little ahead; they will be crying in their beer.
Remember, you can stop any time and resume three days later. In three days the wheel will forget what dozen it hit while you were there. A wheel can only remember for two minutes.
(Now that was TwoCat humor!)
Samster
Hello TCS :thumbsup:
Thanks for clarifying that for me. I will check this out.
Regards
Hello,
I have coded the method into RX. With a normal prog it doesn't work.
Could someone explain me in a few words Lanky's divisor ? I yet can't get it while reading post about it.
Thanks
boat
Suppose your goal is to win six units over the next six spins
6/6=1.........is your first bet. One unit is your first bet.
The divisor, which is the first six increases by your proposition: Even=increases after two losses in a row; one dozen=increases after four losses; two dozens=increases every loss.
A win in any situation drops your divisor by one.
In any case, you add your total lost bet to the divided, or right hand number.
Let's say you lost on two dozens and you had $1 on each:
7/8=1.14............Lanky always rounds up to the next makeable bet. Could be fifty cents or could be a dollar. Here, probably $2 would be your next bet. Total of four. Add four on a loss and raise divisor (left hand number) by one.
Every time you lose, you add your TOTAL loss to the divided and raise the divisor by one.
One of the ways this method of money management works is in betting slightly more than your should by rounding up.
When the wheel is performing normally, you will win. When it is throwing you your dozens or whatever, you win quicker. When the wheel seems to be going against you---walk away. Go to another wheel. Log off and come back later. As Ronjo once said, "Don't stand there and take a beating."
__________________________________
With even chances or single dozens/columns, you do the same thing except follow the first sentence as your rule. Just remember when we write x/y---x and y being any numbers---we are dividing y by x not the other way around. They do things different in Australia and that threw me for a loop. Let me pound that again: Divisor/Divided=8/20, or any numbers.
If I can help, pull my chain.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 29, 2012, 02:13:31 PM
boat
Suppose your goal is to win six units over the next six spins
6/6=1.........is your first bet. One unit is your first bet.
7/9=1.25............Lanky always rounds up to the next makeable bet. Could be fifty cents or could be a dollar. Some casinos let you add 25 cents, so it would be perfect. Here, probably $2 would be your next bet. Total of four. Add four on a loss and raise divisor (left hand number) by one.
Every time you lose, you add your TOTAL loss to the divided and raise the divisor by one.
If I can help, pull my chain.
Sam
I pull your chain Sam ;)
Why, in your example we have 7/9? Because 6+2=8 ... Shouldn't it be 7/8 in case we loose 1 on each 2 dozens?
regards
See how bad my frickin' math is? You are right! I will correct the original.
I cannot find the thread where this was posted:
If the last two doz/col are different, bet the penultimate.
I used a 1 3 9 progression and stopped there.
I used the six point divisor to recover the lost 26 units when necessary. I am up about 1,000# at Dublin in the last few days.
Patience is the key. Once took about 30 spins to eliminate the 26, but it did. The bet got rather high, about 50# or so.
This is probably all luck and will change any minute.
By the way, for those of you who still bet the dealer is out to get them, there were three 0's in a row last night and another very soon for four 0's in about six spins. There were no people playing!! Not one!!
I screen shot it. Anyone care to see it? Tell me how to attach it.
Sam
There were no people playing!! Not one!![/I][/b]
Sam
[/quote]
--Seen it many times when nobody there.
They actually rehearsing and if you take
close notice talking to each others/dealers/
as if they are competing.
Let me be clear..........
Are you saying the dealer hit those zeros on purpose? That he had a competition with the dealer behind him?
Thanks for your reply.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 02, 2012, 03:39:49 PM
Let me be clear..........
Are you saying the dealer hit those zeros on purpose? That he had a competition with the dealer behind him?
Thanks for your reply.
Sam
-Exactly Sam.Once,few months back,table 1 and 2,dealers
Martin and Istvan .....Martin=12,12,28,12,29,12,7,35,28,12
Istvan=3,12,18,29,7,12,29,29,12,12
Wouldn't you call this a competition,as between spins they
were talking to each other all the time.
Since my last post I have won almost 800# more. Am approaching 3,000# mark.
Probably all just luck.......
Sam
Played a WinStar in Norman today. RNG with six players. Had only four most of the session. In spite of terrible math mistake, still came out even plus a tiny profit.
This is a beatable machine.
I really must work on my math skills.
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 03, 2012, 11:12:21 AM
Since my last post I have won almost 800# more. Am approaching 3,000# mark.
Probably all just luck.......
Sam
Hello TCS
Keep up a good streak. Its a good method but you need luck. Do you play it straight or you bet after virtual loss?
Regards
Straight. No virtual losses.
When the last doz/col are different, I play the penultimate and use Lanky's six point divisor when my losses reach 20 units. I play 1 1 2 4 5 7 and then use the divisor. I get quite a few hits on the straight progression.