I think I have come up with a winning method by accident.

[bikemotorman]

WHATS UP BIFFO,

WELL JUST HAD A GREAT SESSION ON JBET, I KEPT WITH MY GAME PLAN AND STAYED DISCIPLINED.

I THINK WITH THIS METHOD ONE CAN WIN MONEY BUT YOU HAVE TO USE DISCIPLINE.

I NEED TO LEARN THAT PART LOL.

STUART

[See_Jerek]

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a short test with Leveller,will do more and update you guys

[See_Jerek]

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@100 spins,not too bad

[JC StyLEE]

Jerek,
how'd you play this? with what progression?
Thanks!

-JC

[bikemotorman]

HI JEREK,

WHY NOT TRY IT WITH MY CRAZY FLATKINDOFFIBO PROGRESSION.

YOU NEVER KNOW IT MIGHT WORK REALLY WELL.

HERE IT IS IN FIVE DOLLAR UNITS.

5=5=5=5=10=10=10=15=15=25

IT WORKED REAL WELL TODAY, NOW I JUST NEED TO GET SOMEONE TO PLAY MY CRAZY METHOD AT A CASINO WITH A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL, ANY TAKERS.
I DONT FEEL LIKE DRIVING 240 MILES ONE WAY.

STUART

[See_Jerek]

Jerek,
how'd you play this? with what progression?
Thanks!




-JC

Leveller 1-2-4-4-4-4-4 if you hit a few loses play 4 till break even,Hermes's idea

[See_Jerek]

HI JEREK,

WHY NOT TRY IT WITH MY CRAZY FLATKINDOFFIBO PROGRESSION.

YOU NEVER KNOW IT MIGHT WORK REALLY WELL.

HERE IT IS IN FIVE DOLLAR UNITS.

5=5=5=5=10=10=10=15=15=25

IT WORKED REAL WELL TODAY, NOW I JUST NEED TO GET SOMEONE TO PLAY MY CRAZY METHOD AT A CASINO WITH A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL, ANY TAKERS.
I DONT FEEL LIKE DRIVING 240 MILES ONE WAY.

STUART

Stuart,I am happy to test for you 100 to 200 spins or even more no problems.
However I can't drive you to the casino 

so its 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-5

You lose you go to the next stage till you win and restart again am I right?

[Mr J]

@Bikemotorman >>> I MIGHT be able to try this out at my casino here (double zero wheel). I have a question regarding your progression using the $5 units. All of the wins would not be a net plus. Is that how the progression is to be used?  Ken

[bikemotorman]

JEREK, YOU NEED TO WIN TWICE I THINK TO BREAK EVEN.
HEY I UNDERSTAND YOU CANT DRIVE ME TO THE CASINO LOL.

MR J,

I THINK WITH ANY PROGRESSION YOU ARE TRYING TO NOT LOSE TO MUCH, SO YOU CAN BE AROUND FOR THE WIN.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE Leveller, IT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, USE WHATEVER PROGRESSION YOU DESIRE.
I WOULD USE THE STANDARD FIBO WITH FIVE DOLLAR UNITS LIKE THIS.

5-5-10-15-25-40-65        THAT IS SEVEN STEPS I THINK YOU NEED TO WIN TWICE TO BE EVEN.

STUART

[See_Jerek]

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Leveller @ 200 spins

Look the problem I hate with double dozens/columns system is when they hit a few losses.Its really very hard to recover.Though I know masters of LWs,Victor,Lanky,Steve Morgan are very successful with LWs and always way out a winner.No matter how I tried I just could not duplicate their success,thats the reason I gave up on them.I did not lose me BR in this test but I am sure if I play more betting at 4 units a dozen trying to push my BR up to where it was at its height,I will be eaten up

I personally prefer ECs or 9 to 12 inside numbers.

Any more ideas guys?

[gingermolloy]

How about trying to apply the winning streak statergy to this one

see my post below

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/surfing-the-streaks/

ginger

[gingermolloy]

This has got promise,

testing now!

I suggest a more aggressive Grand Martingale progression.

Wins you 1 unit per, spin win or lose!

Bet 1   1
     4    4
     13   13
    40    40

If you lose after that take the hit and start again.

I'm up to 40 units (I.e. 40 spins) up without a loss

Will let you know how it goes.

I'm using numbers from Random.org

Has only gone down once in 100 spins

currently 22 units down

I think you may be right, this is too aggressive

ginger

[Mr J]

Here's a point I have. If I start out with playing the two most recent hit columns AND the guy next to me starts out playing the two furthest back hit columns, is that a problem for either guy? If no is the answer, then it would NOT matter at all switching back and fourth, its the same.  Ken

[sebix]

Hi guys!

First of all, I want to thank you for all the hard work you are doing on this forum. I have to admit that I saw a lot of good quality posts and ideas.

I want to share with you my opinion about this system after doing some collateral testing. I like very much the idea on which the system is based: random vs random. This I think is the key to find a consistent winning bet.

I like about this system that can "survive" even if a dozen doesn't show up for 30 spins or even if a dozen is repeated 10 spins in a row. Till this moment, I can see 3 flaws in this system:

-there are only two ways of betting (the last 2 dozen that won/lost; e.g: 1 2 3 appeared, then you bet either 1&2  or 2&3); but I think that you need to put the third betting option (the first appeared and the last appeared - do not bet the dozen that appeared in the middle - in my previous example, that bet would me D1&D3);

-I think that you should give more importance to the concept of random vs. random applied to this system, because this is rather a pattern vs random; the thing that makes it look like random vs random is the fact that you use a really hard to see pattern (actually you rely on the fact that that particular pattern would not appear for n spins, where n is the maximum number of your progression). I have here an example of such a pattern:
 
   spin no.1 outcome: 1st dozen - no bets yet
   spin no.2 outcome: 2nd dozen - now we bet D1&D2 (last two that won)
   spin no.3 outcome: 3rd dozen - first lose - now we bet D1&D2 (first two that won)
   spin no.4 outcome: 3rd dozen -second lose - now we bet D2&D3 (the last two that won)
   spin no.5 outcome: 1st dozen - third lose- bet: D2&D3
   spin no.6 outcome: 1st dozen - forth lose- bet D1&D3
   spin no.7 outcome: 2nd dozen - fifth lose- bet D1&D3
   spin no.8 outcome: 2nd dozen -sixth lose - bet D1&D2
   spin no.9 outcome: 3rd dozen - seventh lose - bet D1&D2  <- here you can observe that it will repeat the pattern
   spin no.10 outcome: 3rd dozen - 8th lose - bet D2&D3
   spin no.11 outcome: 1st dozen - 9th lose - bet D2&D3
   spin no.12 outcome: 1st dozen - 10th lose - bet D1&D3
 
  The conclusion for this is that this system prevents losing when an extraordinary event happens (long periods of one dozen repeating itself or long periods of one dozen missing - and we have to admit that these are very common patterns for everyone, we all notice them and remember them), but it roughly fails under a pattern of Dx Dx Dy Dy Dz Dz Dx etc., pattern that has the characteristic of being "stealth" to almost everyone (if you ask someone if he saw a pattern like the one above, the answer will be NO, because it's very hard to notice - and this lead to the fact that most of us will think that such a pattern will not occur, or will occur with less probability than any other "known" pattern); the fact is that the probability the 10 unlucky spins from the example (that gave us a 10 losing streak) is the same as the probability of a dozen to repeat 10 times in a row (this is highly probable in a 100,000 spins sample) or with D1 D1 D1 D1 D1 D2 D2 D2 D2 D2.
 
-third: I saw a lot of posts about the best progression; I think this part should be treated as the last part of the system; a progression that will successfully pass the 10 losing streak presented above (and will still bring a +1 profit) looks like this:

1
3
9
27
81
242
729
2187
6561
19683
59049,

on each dozen (total bankroll needed: 177,144 units - we can agree that the amount is way too big);

In my opinion, we need to bring to the bet selection more randomness and after that test the efficiency with flat 1 unit betting (and after that searching for a suitable progression).

Best wishes,

sebix

[Biffo]

Excellent Post Sebix!

I think as a group of people, we should agree that this has potential!

Working on the staking plan should be paramount as for this to work is essential.

The Kindoffibo by Stuart is OK, but over all I don't think will cut the mustard full stop.

Thanks
biffo

[Biffo]

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