I think I have come up with a winning method by accident.

[See_Jerek]

The fact is its a double dozen/column system,the progression is worse than martingale.You let out 2 units for 1.You hit misses in a streak you will sure sink,too hard to catch up.

This is what I think

[bikemotorman]

Hi guys!

First of all, I want to thank you for all the hard work you are doing on this forum. I have to admit that I saw a lot of good quality posts and ideas.

I want to share with you my opinion about this system after doing some collateral testing. I like very much the idea on which the system is based: random vs random. This I think is the key to find a consistent winning bet.

I like about this system that can "survive" even if a dozen doesn't show up for 30 spins or even if a dozen is repeated 10 spins in a row. Till this moment, I can see 3 flaws in this system:

-there are only two ways of betting (the last 2 dozen that won/lost; e.g: 1 2 3 appeared, then you bet either 1&2  or 2&3); but I think that you need to put the third betting option (the first appeared and the last appeared - do not bet the dozen that appeared in the middle - in my previous example, that bet would me D1&D3);

-I think that you should give more importance to the concept of random vs. random applied to this system, because this is rather a pattern vs random; the thing that makes it look like random vs random is the fact that you use a really hard to see pattern (actually you rely on the fact that that particular pattern would not appear for n spins, where n is the maximum number of your progression). I have here an example of such a pattern:
 
   spin no.1 outcome: 1st dozen - no bets yet
   spin no.2 outcome: 2nd dozen - now we bet D1&D2 (last two that won)
   spin no.3 outcome: 3rd dozen - first lose - now we bet D1&D2 (first two that won)
   spin no.4 outcome: 3rd dozen -second lose - now we bet D2&D3 (the last two that won)
   spin no.5 outcome: 1st dozen - third lose- bet: D2&D3
   spin no.6 outcome: 1st dozen - forth lose- bet D1&D3
   spin no.7 outcome: 2nd dozen - fifth lose- bet D1&D3
   spin no.8 outcome: 2nd dozen -sixth lose - bet D1&D2
   spin no.9 outcome: 3rd dozen - seventh lose - bet D1&D2  <- here you can observe that it will repeat the pattern
   spin no.10 outcome: 3rd dozen - 8th lose - bet D2&D3
   spin no.11 outcome: 1st dozen - 9th lose - bet D2&D3
   spin no.12 outcome: 1st dozen - 10th lose - bet D1&D3
 
  The conclusion for this is that this system prevents losing when an extraordinary event happens (long periods of one dozen repeating itself or long periods of one dozen missing - and we have to admit that these are very common patterns for everyone, we all notice them and remember them), but it roughly fails under a pattern of Dx Dx Dy Dy Dz Dz Dx etc., pattern that has the characteristic of being "stealth" to almost everyone (if you ask someone if he saw a pattern like the one above, the answer will be NO, because it's very hard to notice - and this lead to the fact that most of us will think that such a pattern will not occur, or will occur with less probability than any other "known" pattern); the fact is that the probability the 10 unlucky spins from the example (that gave us a 10 losing streak) is the same as the probability of a dozen to repeat 10 times in a row (this is highly probable in a 100,000 spins sample) or with D1 D1 D1 D1 D1 D2 D2 D2 D2 D2.
 
-third: I saw a lot of posts about the best progression; I think this part should be treated as the last part of the system; a progression that will successfully pass the 10 losing streak presented above (and will still bring a +1 profit) looks like this:

1
3
9
27
81
242
729
2187
6561
19683
59049,

on each dozen (total bankroll needed: 177,144 units - we can agree that the amount is way too big);

In my opinion, we need to bring to the bet selection more randomness and after that test the efficiency with flat 1 unit betting (and after that searching for a suitable progression).

Best wishes,

sebix

Hi Sebix,

HOW WOULD I WORK IN THIS LAST DIMENSION YOU SPEAK OF TO THIS IDEA I HAVE COME UP WITH.
MY CRAZY LITTLE SYSTEM THAT IS.

I THINK WE COULD DO IT LIKE THIS MAYBE, SINCE I AM NEW TO ROULETTE AT LEAST COMPARED TO LANKY, LUCKY, STEVE AND OTHERS.
WOULD THIS WORK.


SEBIX HOW WOULD I INCORPORATE THIS LAST OF THREE DIMENSIONS, AND THEY ARE.




LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS WON
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED
LAST TWO DOZENS LOST
LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED




JUST AN IDEA SEBIX.

DO YOU THINK IT WILL WORK

STUART BRANDT:

[gingermolloy]

Great post Sebix,

Great ideas.

Not sure how we can truely get random vs random, unless we just bet on any old dozens, i.e. truely randomly.

The whole point of having a system is that it is betting against a pattern of some kind.

I would suggest that the only way to acheive what you say is to bet totally randomly with no pattern, i.e. let the dice decide.

Roll the dice twice, 1 or 2 its dozen 1, 3 or 4 its dozen 2 . . . . . .you see

The firsat 2 out get bet on.

But as we know, flat betting this will just be beaten by the 2.8% the house has on us.

A progression is therefore the way forward. but I feel that the progressions we have looked at so far are either way to soft or way too aggressive.

Just thought i would share my thoughts on this one

ginger

[sebix]

Hi!

This post is inspired by viper5's MURDERER system (which is in fact a system very similar with one I wanted to try these days). The idea in his system is to bet the 7 numbers around the last number that came.

In my opinion, to have a successful progression and a successful bet we have to see some things that are not quite random. One approach would be to approximate the region where the ball would land with respect to the last spin. I did some testing yesterday and saw that there is a big chance that the ball will land in the same region. When I say "big", I only want to say that it is a little grater that the theoretical probability.

The strange about roulette is that if we observe the results of 1,000,000 spins, there will be almost equal number of red/black odd/even high/low, so one might say that is common for a black to follow a red, a low to follow a high, etc...but when we look at the results, we won't ever see the numbers coming from 0 to 36 in order (that would respect the red/black high low switches); roulette has its irregularities, so a region has to hit more than another in a given number of spins. And that is what we want to take advantage of.

A strategy that I took into consideration is to observe the neighbors of the last outcome. I think that observing 4 neighbors in each direction  + the last number it will be enough in the beginning. Let us take an example: the outcome is 23, so the arch will look like this:

16     -D2 - C1-
24     -D2 - C3-
5       -D1 - C2-
10     -D1 - C1-
(23)   -D2 - C2-
8       -D1 - C2-
30     -D3 - C3-
11     -D1 - C2-
36     -D3 - C3-

       We want to see which 2 dozens/columns are dominant. After adding up, we obtain the following result:
         
         4 x D1          4 x C2
         3 x D2          3 x C3
         2 x D3          2 x C1
         
       The following bet would be on D1&D2 or C2&C3, depending if we play dozens or columns. In case of equality between 2 dozens/columns, we could consider the dozen/column of the middle number (23 in our previous example, but there wasn't the case).

       I am waiting for your feedback and some testing.
     
      sebix

[bikemotorman]

NOW I REALLY HAVE A HEADACHE OR MY HEAD JUST HURTS.
THIS METHOD HAS BEEN WORKING PRETTY WELL HOW CAN WE IMPROVE IT.

I WILL GO TO RANDOM.ORG SET THE RNG TO 1-3 AND GET SOME RANDOM DOZENS JUST FOR A GOOF, AND PLAY THEM THAT WAY ON JBET, SO I WILL HAVE MY DOZENS TO PLAY FROM RANDOM.ORG THEN GO TO JBET AND PLAY WOW THIS SHOULD BE FUN, OR INSANE BUT WHO KNOWS LOL.
THAT SHOULD BE A REAL RANDOM VERSUS RANDOM AGAINST THE WHEEL AT JBET.COM.


STUART

[gingermolloy]

you need to get numbers from 0-36 and then sort them into dozens

if you just get 1,2 and 3 then you will not be taking the ZERO into account

ginger

[See_Jerek]

NOW I REALLY HAVE A HEADACHE OR MY HEAD JUST HURTS.
THIS METHOD HAS BEEN WORKING PRETTY WELL HOW CAN WE IMPROVE IT.

I WILL GO TO RANDOM.ORG SET THE RNG TO 1-3 AND GET SOME RANDOM DOZENS JUST FOR A GOOF, AND PLAY THEM THAT WAY ON JBET, SO I WILL HAVE MY DOZENS TO PLAY FROM RANDOM.ORG THEN GO TO JBET AND PLAY WOW THIS SHOULD BE FUN, OR INSANE BUT WHO KNOWS LOL.
THAT SHOULD BE A REAL RANDOM VERSUS RANDOM AGAINST THE WHEEL AT JBET.COM.


STUART

Hello mate,can I have an input on this?
Right for this 2 x Dozens/Columns system with LWs is the 1st system that I learn here.Lanky is very good at it and he's a great teacher and friend to me.We all know Lanky has been playing it for a long time and is vert successful with it.Steve Morgan plays this as well and is also very successful as well.The maser of LWs is Victor however how his forcusing on playing atila.

As I have played it before the main wipe out factor if you have a few losses and start to progress,in the middle of recovery you got hit by anothet chain of losses,that will kae it impossible to recover.Betting 2 units in exchange for 1 unit profit,it is not economical.if you use 1/3/9/27 progression,its even worst than martingale.

The key to this is knowing when to attack and retreat,ride on a winning streak,flat bet when you hit a losing streak this takes experience only those people I mention earlier have that kind of experience and instinct.

[hermes]

Jerek how many losses in row did you encountered? I know from 5000 + spins praxis that it makes from time to time 6 mistakes in row.  7 mistakes in row is my record but it happens once in blue moon.
The cautious one would play after trigger LW bet. Bet always after one win e.g. LLLw bet.
I played it like this:
1/2
2/3
1/2
2/3 and so on... always rigid change. It goes good until 2nd dozen or column goes to sleep. Than the trouble starts. If you don't see 2nd dozen coming for 3 spins stop to play and wait until you see the 2nd coming again. You save a lot of bankroll.
The leveller you don't quit until you are in plus again even if it would take a week.
240 miles is not that far, but after loss it counts for double miles.
Hermes

[bikemotorman]

HI GUYS,

I HAVE TWEAKED MY METHOD A BIT, I WILL BE SHOCKED IF I GET THREE LOSSES IN A ROW NOW.
I NOW PLAY THIS WAY ON A SINGLE ZERO WHEEL, I HOPE SOMEONE CAN PLAY THIS ON A DOUBLE ZERO SOON.

LAST WON TWO DOZENS.

LAST LOST TWO DOZENS.

LAST APPEARED TWO DOZENS.

I HAVE SOME EMAILS AND FOLKS ARE SAYING THE LAST APPEARED IS THE SAME AS LAST LOST, NOT ALWAYS.
IF YOU PLAY DOZEN 1 AND 2 AS YOUR LAST LOST DOZENS AND YOU LOSE BECAUSE DOZEN 3 HIT THAT MEANS YOU DID NOT HIT ON 1 AND 2 DOZENS.

THIS I THINKS ADDS ONE MORE DIMENSION TO THE CRAZY STUART METHOD OF PLAYING ROULETTE.

ANY COMMENTS

ALSO HERE IS A WORD FORM TO PLAY MY METHOD FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

STUART BRANDT

[bikemotorman]

OK I PLAYED ON JBET FOR TWO HOURS, THE MOST LOSSES I HAD WAS THREE in a row, WITH THE TWEAKING LOL.

STUART

LAST TWO DOZENS WON

LAST TWO DOZENS LOST

LAST TWO DOZENS APPEARED

MOST TIMES LOST IN A ROW WAS THREE

[Ronin]

Hi bikemotorman,

Can you give an example of how you missed 3 in a row and won on the 4th please?

In your above example, the last 2 to appear is dozen 1 & 2, and it also is the last 2 doz to lose. Sorry if I'm being thick-headed, but I just want to understand completely then I'm going to give it a try.

Ronin

Sorry if I'm being th

[bikemotorman]

WHAT I CAN DO IS PLAY ON JEBET AND FILL IN MY WORD FORM AND POST IT HERE AND YOU CAN READ IT.

OK

STUART

[simon]

motorman, what is the difference between "last two that appeared" and "last two that won"?  If I have A-B-C-A, A and B come in first two spins so I bet A and B because they are the last two that won (and lose on C), now C is last decision so I bet A and B because they are the last two to lose (because C came in so I bet A and B, is that correct?), and now I am to bet last two to appear which is C and A (same as last two to win)-- how is this different from betting last two to win, last two to lose, and last two to win again?

I have been down this road and I can tell you that you will get wiped out by any progression on double dozens and/or columns and if you don't think a couple zeroes and the wrong dozens or columns won't come in more than four or five times in a row you are in for a rude awakening.  I have 350 spins I recorded myself from real double zero roulette wheels broken down by nos, dozens, columns, etc so you can save yourself a trip to the casino and probably a lot of money if you want to play with them.  If someone wants to explain how to post the download link here I guess I can do that.

[bikemotorman]

HI SIMON,

I THOUGHT WITH BETTING TWO DOZENS YOU HAVE A 65 PERCENT CHANCE TO WIN, AND THAT IS ON A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL.

HOW DO YOU PLAY AND DOES YOUR SYSTEM WORK.
MAYBE I SHOULD PLAY CRAPS AGAIN, ON THE DONT PASS YOU HAVE I THINK A 70 PERCENT CHANCE TO WIN AFTER THE COME OUT.

HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST I PLAY TO MAKE AROUND 50 BUCKS PER HOUR.

STUART

MY IDEA WITH THIS SYSTEM WAS TO MAYBE COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA CASH AND PLAY SOME ROULETTE, OF COURSE NO GUARANTEES BUT IF YOU HAVE A METHOD THAT WORKS I WILL TRY IT.

[bikemotorman]

OK HERE IS MY PLAY FOR 45 MINUTES ON JBET IT IS ON A WORD DOCUMENT AND IS ATTACHED TO THIS MESSAGE.

IT SHOULD ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON HOW I PLAY THIS METHOD.

THE DEALER IS VILNIS THE MOST TIMES I LOST IN A ROW WAS TWO.
WHY I DONT KNOW.
I HAD ONE ZERO.
I SEEM TO BE GETTING LUCKY, IT IT WERE A DOUBLE ZERO AMERICAN WHEEL I AM SURE I WOULD HAVE HAD 4 ZEROS.

STUART

[bikemotorman]

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