Now that the original offer to personally teach students is done I have the exit strategy figured out. I'm taking my time writing a software program that will not be copy protected. I may live for ten years, I just don't know. I may not. But what ever happens I believe one day my doctor will say I have one year or less to live. That means hospice takes over. The software will be completed by then, I hope.
I will sell this software for $100 per pop. I will send the software to each purchaser using an attachment in an email. They will open the self extracting archive and run the installer program. The software includes all the lessons and all the strategies that have worked for me and is also a culmination of all the discussions with my previous students.
Here's the bomb part. Any one of the purchasers can redistribute the file. They can in effect cut their own throats. Once the bomb file is widely distributed the casinos will take action against the open advantage. Once I'm near the end I will drop the bomb on youtube, if someone else has not done that already. I owe it to myself to enjoy every aspect of gaming. That includes taking a bow. If you don't understand that then you owe it to yourself once in your life to succeed at something before anyone else has.
Now that must make sense to so many people attempting to find a holy grail. I'm counting on that.
me,me,me,me,me,me..... to the end Eh Gizmo......
Well if nothing you are consistent..... :rtfm:
Lets get this straight. I invented the Grail, I can't figure out how to play it in a casino, so I'm selling it for $100. And I'm not insane, I just sound that way.
Lets all just back away very slowly, maybe he'll forget about us and go away.
Quote from: cheese on November 21, 2010, 08:31:44 PM
Lets get this straight. I invented the Grail, I can't figure out how to play it in a casino, so I'm selling it for $100. And I'm not insane, I just sound that way.
Lets all just back away very slowly, maybe he'll forget about us and go away.
Not a bad idea at all. You stick your cheese hole on xman1970's face and then back away. You can even cut the cheese while your at it.
So first you are going to ask a 100, and then you are going to give it away for free... nice for the people who bought it......
Quote from: Ka2 on November 22, 2010, 05:26:53 AM
So first you are going to ask a 100, and then you are going to give it away for free... nice for the people who bought it......
D'oh D'oh D'oh trumpeted the simpleton...... ;)
Quote from: Ka2 on November 22, 2010, 05:26:53 AM
So first you are going to ask a 100, and then you are going to give it away for free... nice for the people who bought it......
Quote from: xman1970 on November 22, 2010, 09:32:33 AM
D'oh D'oh D'oh trumpeted the simpleton...... ;)
You people are just rank amateurs at skepticism. I'll give you something to chew on. The $100 is just the right price. Heck, it's less than a single bet. You bozos really don't know how to win don't you?
Do you know anything about Einstein? His General theory of relativity is the current description of gravitation in modern physics. It's nothing less than the overthrowing of everything previously known, Newton's theory of gravity.
So enjoy this: My modernization of relating to randomness, Reading Randomness, is an overthrowing of Einstein.
Einstein: "You cannot beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it."
Now you have something to be skeptical about at least for many years. It's funny too. Just like General Relativity, this will take a few years and others to come forward that prove it.
Just look at Einstein's Elegant Universe: The Elegant Universe - Einstein's Relativity (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=tpbGuuGosAY#)
Don't ever forget Elegant Patterns. I love tweaking you skeptics.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 22, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
You people are just rank amateurs at skepticism.
Actually I have a very open mind, but the fact still remains that you are asking money for something that would generate infinite money. So it's the classical system seller contradiction.
But the thing is you have been around the forum long enough and you always seemed like a descent man with integrity and to my knowledge you never tried to sell anything, so evidently you're not some fraud.
So why now? It seems to me you are in a situation that you desperately need some money? If you would have been honest, maybe we could have helped, who knows? But trust me mate, this is not the way to go forwards...
Quote from: Ka2 on November 23, 2010, 05:05:37 AM
you always seemed like a descent man
I think you meant 'decent' but 'descent' is better for Gizmotron. :)
Desperate times call for desperate measure I guess. There's no way out of the seller's contradiction, and I'd love to hear just one reason WHY any system can possibly work which isn't based on the gambler's fallacy. Physics is the only way to go, like I said before, read kelly and herb, these guys know how to win, everyone else is either a scammer or on a lucky streak.
Let's make a known fact a rule of forum involvement. You people that are convinced that your pet favorite method is the only way to beat roulette are only saying so because you are motivated to. So what's the reason for that? I have spent decades ruling out all system play techniques, at least from a long term study that is. I used computer programs to prove to myself that rule based systems can't succeed. In all that I did discover that guessing has the ability to change the odds. I found that it's possible to change when change occurs in the randomness phenomenon. Now this is where I lose just about all of you. It's not me that has a problem relating to randomness. It's most of you. Yet I have successfully taken people with no education in this area of interest and I have opened their eyes. I know it took me years to figure out the mistake areas on my own. But I can direct people in the proper direction so they don't make expensive mistakes.
I'm suggesting to you that you have an opinion because of limited research. You have not done an extensive research into randomness. In fact almost all of you are mid way through discovering what does not work. You need to know these things too. I think it's interesting that you have concluded that I'm desperate for money. That speaks for itself. You have the plausible excuse you need so that you need not do any of your own work. It's the single thing I have asked you to do. But none of you have done anything. It's now almost four years that I have openly suggested that trends is the secret. That you will find what you are looking for if you just work on that. So don't tell me you understand the motives. I know that you don't understand the motives.
BTW, there is nothing for sale at this time. Funny how that was overloooked.
Gizmo
In all honesty have you ever seen here at VLS or for that matter at any other forum a certified published fool proof method to beat roulette ?
Neither have I !
Before this will happen a space ship with little green aliens will land on the White House lawn .
N.D..
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Look out Obama! It's behind you.
They are bringing the holy grail and healthcare reform!
That works.
I was visited by aliens from outer space that told me how to beat randomness. :-X
Gizmo,
This is a serious question. Those double crossing casino cats removed the RE airball / wheel based machine section and replaced it with a RNG shufflemaster / Vegas Star roulette machine . ( 10 outlets)
Considering that you are inclined to favor random methods would ypu then play this machine ?
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Nathan,
I would not play this machine. Each terminal has a back of house connection to it that allows it to be tracked for state tax purposes. If you buy in for $500, win $100, then you are subject to taxes and 1099's. The only way to get paid is to go to a terminal and or cashier where you must pay taxes, like when you get a big win on any slot machine. This machine should kill off playing roulette. The casinos must have lost their minds.
On a side not, It's so easy to cheat an RNG it can be done in a few thousandths of a second. I know for a fact that it's possible to set the win rate, like all slot machines. The only way to play these machines is with a flat betting scheme. BTW, that's how you can prove the machines cheat too. I think that the randomness can be checked for deviations from reality. If nobody but fools play these machines then they will soon be off the floors. If not, then real live Roulette may soon be a thing of the past. I would love to see these machines busted for cheating. That would be great.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 23, 2010, 02:24:32 PM
Let's make a known fact a rule of forum involvement. You people that are convinced that your pet favorite method is the only way to beat roulette are only saying so because you are motivated to. So what's the reason for that?
;D ;D ;D
My motivation is the fact that the only things which affect where the ball will land are the known laws of physics. It's simple cause and effect. Can you deny this? Why does the ball land in one pocket and not another? if you have a knowledge of the initial conditions (speed of ball, tilt of the wheel, imperfections in the cone, pockets etc) would it not make sense to take these these things into account in making a prediction? Your approach and everyone else's is to ignore all these factors and simply look at the history, then make your predictions on the assumption that history will either repeat or not repeat on the basis of.... what? there is no rhyme or reason to any of it. If you can't associate a perceived "trend" with any physical attribute of the "system" (by that I mean physical system - wheel + ball + dealer + other factors like humidity) then you are simply guessing (gambling).
Also think about this: Trends will always exist, whether you are playing on a real wheel or an RNG. You cannot expect a trend to continue unless you have some other knowledge of WHY the trend exists. Patterns are everywhere, it's impossible not to see patterns, but the mere fact of patterns and trends does not in itself indicate that they will continue (or not). If you have some information about why they are occurring then you might be on to something, but not otherwise.
QuoteI'm suggesting to you that you have an opinion because of limited research. You have not done an extensive research into randomness. In fact almost all of you are mid way through discovering what does not work.
Wrong. I've done plenty of research. I eventually came to the conclusion that none of it made any sense and I was attacked for being a quitter and a bitter loser, negative, etc. I have never seen such stubborn stupidity as on forums like this, it's really quite breathtaking.
You deny randomness but you don't give any REASONS why the wheel should be non-random. If you don't know the cause of the non-randomness, how can you negate the house advantage?
If your methods seem to work, but you don't know WHY they work, then it's a fair bet that they don't actually work at all, and you are just experiencing a positive swing, and yes, they can go on for thousands of spins, especially if you're using some kind of money management. You are correct that systems don't work, but betting the trends is just another system, "adapting" to the "flow" of the game is just another system, they are all the same, and you won't beat the wheel until you realise that understanding randomness consists of learning that you're dealing with a physical system, which is governed by physical laws, not magic.
Quote from: Mike on November 24, 2010, 04:45:47 AM
;D ;D ;D
My motivation is the fact that the only things which affect where the ball will land are the known laws of physics. It's simple cause and effect. Can you deny this? Why does the ball land in one pocket and not another? if you have a knowledge of the initial conditions (speed of ball, tilt of the wheel, imperfections in the cone, pockets etc) would it not make sense to take these these things into account in making a prediction? Your approach and everyone else's is to ignore all these factors and simply look at the history, then make your predictions on the assumption that history will either repeat or not repeat on the basis of.... what? there is no rhyme or reason to any of it. If you can't associate a perceived "trend" with any physical attribute of the "system" (by that I mean physical system - wheel + ball + dealer + other factors like humidity) then you are simply guessing (gambling).
Also think about this: Trends will always exist, whether you are playing on a real wheel or an RNG. You cannot expect a trend to continue unless you have some other knowledge of WHY the trend exists. Patterns are everywhere, it's impossible not to see patterns, but the mere fact of patterns and trends does not in itself indicate that they will continue (or not). If you have some information about why they are occurring then you might be on to something, but not otherwise.
Wrong. I've done plenty of research. I eventually came to the conclusion that none of it made any sense and I was attacked for being a quitter and a bitter loser, negative, etc. I have never seen such stubborn stupidity as on forums like this, it's really quite breathtaking.
You deny randomness but you don't give any REASONS why the wheel should be non-random. If you don't know the cause of the non-randomness, how can you negate the house advantage?
If your methods seem to work, but you don't know WHY they work, then it's a fair bet that they don't actually work at all, and you are just experiencing a positive swing, and yes, they can go on for thousands of spins, especially if you're using some kind of money management. You are correct that systems don't work, but betting the trends is just another system, "adapting" to the "flow" of the game is just another system, they are all the same, and you won't beat the wheel until you realise that understanding randomness consists of learning that you're dealing with a physical system, which is governed by physical laws, not magic.
Bollocks. :spiteful:
QuoteBollocks
Excellent!
Reasoned argument, clearly expressed, I expect nothing less here! ;D
All my points have been refuted, I guess there's nothing more to say! ::)
Seriously though bombus, we both know that you cannot refute anything I've said, some people like to be contrary for the sake of it, but it has nothing to do with the truth. You have your fun, but just remember you're not doing anyone any favours by propagating bullshit.
Gizmo ,
Thanks for your reply. It`s no wonder that this racino did switch to those machines All their VP and slot machines are of the VLT type. :diablo:
I knew the fun would not last too long. But fortunately I was awinner at those original airball machines before they removed them.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: Mike on November 24, 2010, 04:45:47 AM
;D ;D ;D
My motivation is the fact that the only things which affect where the ball will land are the known laws of physics. It's simple cause and effect. Can you deny this? Why does the ball land in one pocket and not another? if you have a knowledge of the initial conditions (speed of ball, tilt of the wheel, imperfections in the cone, pockets etc) would it not make sense to take these these things into account in making a prediction? Your approach and everyone else's is to ignore all these factors and simply look at the history, then make your predictions on the assumption that history will either repeat or not repeat on the basis of.... what? there is no rhyme or reason to any of it. If you can't associate a perceived "trend" with any physical attribute of the "system" (by that I mean physical system - wheel + ball + dealer + other factors like humidity) then you are simply guessing (gambling).
Also think about this: Trends will always exist, whether you are playing on a real wheel or an RNG. You cannot expect a trend to continue unless you have some other knowledge of WHY the trend exists. Patterns are everywhere, it's impossible not to see patterns, but the mere fact of patterns and trends does not in itself indicate that they will continue (or not). If you have some information about why they are occurring then you might be on to something, but not otherwise.
Wrong. I've done plenty of research. I eventually came to the conclusion that none of it made any sense and I was attacked for being a quitter and a bitter loser, negative, etc. I have never seen such stubborn stupidity as on forums like this, it's really quite breathtaking.
You deny randomness but you don't give any REASONS why the wheel should be non-random. If you don't know the cause of the non-randomness, how can you negate the house advantage?
If your methods seem to work, but you don't know WHY they work, then it's a fair bet that they don't actually work at all, and you are just experiencing a positive swing, and yes, they can go on for thousands of spins, especially if you're using some kind of money management. You are correct that systems don't work, but betting the trends is just another system, "adapting" to the "flow" of the game is just another system, they are all the same, and you won't beat the wheel until you realise that understanding randomness consists of learning that you're dealing with a physical system, which is governed by physical laws, not magic.
This is truly funny. Hidden inside this thesis is the secret answer to my method. Only one problem. You can't see it. Now those I have taught can see it. This is truly funny to me. Thanks.
But I'm still waiting for just one REASON why betting trends gives you an advantage. :sarcastic:
I *ALWAYS* know where the conversation is headed when I see the word 'advantage'. Wait for it........
So what word would you prefer me to use Mr J?
Quote from: Mike on November 24, 2010, 06:48:50 AM
Seriously though bombus, we both know that you cannot refute anything I've said, some people like to be contrary for the sake of it, but it has nothing to do with the truth. You have your fun, but just remember you're not doing anyone any favours by propagating bullshit.
I could not refute the effectiveness of VB, etc. But I can say these methods also experience losing sessions, and uncomfortable drawdowns, just like mechanical systems do. In both cases it is then up to the player to make the necessary adjustments to ensure long term profits.
There is also the ability for mechanical systems to have an inherent physics component built in.
Who's to say a rule based method can't tune into the physical phenomenon as it unfolds during play?
Yes I can be contrary, yes I will have my fun, and no I am not here to do anyone any favours.
Cheers, Mike.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 24, 2010, 03:04:17 PM
This is truly funny. Hidden inside this thesis is the secret answer to my method. Only one problem. You can't see it.
Another problem, neither can Gizmo without his secret decoder ring, which he'll be selling as soon as he invents it.
Quote from: cheese on November 25, 2010, 03:48:23 PM
Another problem, neither can Gizmo without his secret decoder ring, which he'll be selling as soon as he invents it.
Wrong again. I have no plans to sell this thing at this time. I'm just getting it prepared so that I can act quickly, once the timing is correct. As far as I can tell I may have years and years ahead of me. If a story leaks out anywhere that randomness methods are disclosed as the way to beat roulette then I'll sell the system then. Otherwise it's on the shelf for many years to come. So many people have written to me claiming they would be willing to validate my methods publicly. That's not in my plans. It makes no sense.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 25, 2010, 05:49:39 PM
As far as I can tell I may have years and years ahead of me. If a story leaks out anywhere that randomness methods are disclosed
Wow, the stress must be incredible. Kinda like the stress the guys who built the first atom bomb felt during WWII, hoping its secrets wouldn't leak out. Only yours is much bigger than that. Must suck to be you, huh.
Quote from: cheese on November 25, 2010, 11:16:30 PM
Wow, the stress must be incredible. Kinda like the stress the guys who built the first atom bomb felt during WWII, hoping its secrets wouldn't leak out. Only yours is much bigger than that. Must suck to be you, huh.
It must be miserable to be you. Being a half baked internet troll or a roulette savior is very lowly on the worthwhile status hit parade. But keep up the pretense. That's what you have done for yourself.
Who cut the cheese?
Gizmotron,
Why stay here??? If I were you, I wouldn't spend one more second on this forum, I would be out there, having fun, spend some quality time with family and friends, spending the money I won from the casino's wildly. But no, you rather stay in this stinking hole, every single day, why???
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 25, 2010, 11:57:12 PM
It must be miserable to be you.
Thats just the stress talking, we understand.
This thread is going nowhere?
Quote from: bombus on November 25, 2010, 09:00:10 AM
I could not refute the effectiveness of VB, etc. But I can say these methods also experience losing sessions, and uncomfortable drawdowns, just like mechanical systems do. In both cases it is then up to the player to make the necessary adjustments to ensure long term profits.
But in the case of mechanical system, the only adjustments you can make are switching from one bet to another, and you have to ask why you should choose that particular bet over any other? the choice is not made from any physical considerations, as is the case with VB/Bias. The "adjustment" you make could just as easily result in a worse losing sequence than the one which prompted you to make the adjustment in the first place.
QuoteThere is also the ability for mechanical systems to have an inherent physics component built in.
True, but in that case, why not just cut out the guessing component altogether?
QuoteWho's to say a rule based method can't tune into the physical phenomenon as it unfolds during play?
It's a fair point, but again, why not consciously and deliberately tune into the physical phenomenon, instead of just hoping your mechanical system will do it without any study of the actual wheel and conditions?
Gizmotron says you can learn to "read" randomness. This betrays a basic misunderstanding of what "random" actually is. There are no inherently random events, "random" just means you don't have any information about the event other than each possible event is as likely as any other. If you take that as given, it's absurd to then go on and say that there are "characteristics" of randomness which can be learned and exploited. If an event is random, each outcome is equally likely, period.
You can only "overcome" randomness by acquiring new information about the cause of the event(s). Sometimes there is too much complexity and even though you know the causes, it doesn't help you in finding out whether some events are more likely than others, but that doesn't mean that you can ignore the causes (which is what Gizmotron is doing).
You cannot take roulette to be a GAME and from that deduce that sometimes you have advantageous opportunities. If you do that you are just contradicting yourself because the GAME says that all outcomes are equally likely (random).
But roulette isn't just a game, it's a physical system, and physical systems are deterministic, not random. There may be a lot you can't know (which means to say, randomness) but there is enough determinism to give you a better than random chance of knowing where the ball will land.
Mike, you have no idea what you are attempting to say. You have no clue what reading randomness is all about. You deny that randomness can have characteristics. You are nothing but a Snowman clone. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic does not make you a sea captain. How can an ignoramus tell people that it does not exist? I'm the one that proved it exists. You are the one that has some strange agenda. You are not qualified to comment on randomness.
Quote from: Mike on November 26, 2010, 06:00:12 AM
Gizmotron says you can learn to "read" randomness. This betrays a basic misunderstanding of what "random" actually is. There are no inherently random events, "random" just means you don't have any information about the event other than each possible event is as likely as any other. If you take that as given, it's absurd to then go on and say that there are "characteristics" of randomness which can be learned and exploited. If an event is random, each outcome is equally likely, period.
You can only "overcome" randomness by acquiring new information about the cause of the event(s). Sometimes there is too much complexity and even though you know the causes, it doesn't help you in finding out whether some events are more likely than others, but that doesn't mean that you can ignore the causes (which is what Gizmotron is doing).
You cannot take roulette to be a GAME and from that deduce that sometimes you have advantageous opportunities. If you do that you are just contradicting yourself because the GAME says that all outcomes are equally likely (random).
But roulette isn't just a game, it's a physical system, and physical systems are deterministic, not random. There may be a lot you can't know (which means to say, randomness) but there is enough determinism to give you a better than random chance of knowing where the ball will land
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 26, 2010, 03:36:27 PM
You are not qualified to comment on randomness.
I wonder if there is ANYBODY on this forum who IS qualified......
Oh wait, I can see where this is going........ :swoon: :swoon:
Gizmotron, you have proved nothing, neither do you have an argument, the only thing left is insults.
Yawn. :boredom:
Quote from: Mike on November 26, 2010, 04:56:55 PM
Gizmotron, you have proved nothing, neither do you have an argument, the only thing left is insults.
Yawn. :boredom:
I proved it to eight people. You just don't like the fact that I didn't drop the bomb on the gambling world for free. To prove you wrong I have to wreck everything. You don't rate it. You are not important enough to rate proof. I can put you out of your misery any time I feel like it. So you'll just have to wait. No matter what you say you have no proof that I won't do it. On that day you will have all this in your face to live up to. You are really ridiculous claiming you are bored. You can't wait to rant with your useless tirades.
Gizmo,
Put everyone out of their misery: Offer l the damn thing to several casinos and be done with it. Napoleon said:" "Apre moi le deluge".
Sell one to one casino in Macau, Europe, and USA.. For god measure throw in one from Down Under . Each one 500 k
EURO funds transferable to a Swiss Bank.
Nathan Detroit
PS. Expect my bill for this advice in your mail. :diablo:
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 26, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
...Napoleon said:" "Apre moi le deluge".
Yeah? Well Johnny Farnham said: Raindrops keep falling on my head."
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 26, 2010, 05:37:11 PM
I proved it to eight people. You just don't like the fact that I didn't drop the bomb on the gambling world for free. To prove you wrong I have to wreck everything.
So how many people need to have your system to "wreck everything"? :)
Before you sold it for $500 you were saying that would be the end of casinos, what happened?
You just don't get it. If I thought your system could win I would have paid the $500 the first time round. Even if you posted the details on this forum I wouldn't even bother to test it, because it won't and can't work. It wouldn't be worth my time to write the code to simulate it. All I'm interested in is telling people the truth so that they don't waste more time and money on a dead end. And I give reasons why these methods can never work. So far I haven't seen a single rebuttal, and I never will because I'm only using common sense. Of course, you'll still get a few desperate and gullible individuals who will shell out for your system, but only a few in the beginning, because word will soon get around that it doesn't work - that's why you didn't get even the 10 people you were limiting it to the first time.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 26, 2010, 05:37:11 PM
To prove you wrong I have to wreck everything.
This is quite revealing. Basically you're saying that if you post the details of the method you'll be cheating yourself out of sales. That's what it's all about isn't it? nothing to do with being smarter than Einstein, that's just sales bluster.
So you don't want to post the details of this amazing system which can earn millions because you're afraid of missing out on a few hundred (if you're lucky) in sales. Yeah, that makes sense Einstein! :sarcastic:
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 26, 2010, 03:36:27 PM
You have no clue what reading randomness is all about.
So reading randomness are we talking about infinite or finite here?
The fact is Giz, you are trying so hard to convince us with absolutely zero proof. I understand you can't reveal all, but you have to agree with just saying you read randomness you sound just like Charles Hampshire.
So either there are some basic mathematical principles involved or it's based on absolute nonsense.
Quote from: Mike on November 27, 2010, 05:02:49 AM
This is quite revealing. Basically you're saying that if you post the details of the method you'll be cheating yourself out of sales. That's what it's all about isn't it? nothing to do with being smarter than Einstein, that's just sales bluster.
So you don't want to post the details of this amazing system which can earn millions because you're afraid of missing out on a few hundred (if you're lucky) in sales. Yeah, that makes sense Einstein! :sarcastic:
You are clearly less intelligent than an average person. That's 100 IQ just in case you were wondering. You seem more room temperature for an equivocation than substandard. So be it. If you look closely you will read that I never claimed to be smarter than Einstein. The fact that you perceive it that way comes from your limitations. Sorry about that.
I don't want to post the details because I want the option to use it in a casino. This might be difficult for you to understand but you are more like a hound dog with a nose for Cheese.
Quote from: Ka2 on November 27, 2010, 05:13:18 AM
So reading randomness are we talking about infinite or finite here?
The fact is Giz, you are trying so hard to convince us with absolutely zero proof. I understand you can't reveal all, but you have to agree with just saying you read randomness you sound just like Charles Hampshire.
So either there are some basic mathematical principles involved or it's based on absolute nonsense.
Name calling is for school children. So what is the mathematical formula for when a trend will occur and how long it will continue? You can produce a long term average but you can't produce a result for coincidences that come and go during recent encounters. If you do come up with a formula it will be as useless as the randomness that you claim that is useless for me. It's a catch 22.
You are all dancing around my motivation for posting anything. You think it's sales. It's about a carefully enacted form of disclosure. A kind of timed release form of letting it out carefully. I'm really surprised that most of you don't actually get the message. I'm in no hurry. There is nothing for sale. I have had to tell those that PM'd me the same thing. Not at this time, thanks.
Gizmo,
If this Turbo Genius cat got himself " under contract" with the TAJ for allegedly selling them a system then why not selling a system to 4 casinos ?.
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 27, 2010, 06:42:32 PM
Gizmo,
If this Turbo Genius cat got himself " under contract" with the TAJ for allegedly selling them a system then why not selling a system to 4 casinos ?.
Nathan Detroit
Nathan, I don't feature walking into a casino and listening to their skepticism. I would have to tell them to sell them. Just let the throng tell them. It all comes out the same. Have you ever heard of a casino paying to keep a secret a secret?
*********Have you ever heard of a casino paying to keep a secret a secret?******
That will be the day. :diablo:
N.D.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 27, 2010, 05:16:35 PM
So what is the mathematical formula for when a trend will occur and how long it will continue? You can produce a long term average but you can't produce a result for coincidences that come and go during recent encounters.
Neither can you. Believing that you can (whether you choose to call it a "formula" or not) is called the gambler's fallacy.
Each outcome is equally likely and independent of the last. It's so simple. Stop trying to confuse people with gibberish.
Try saying 100 times every day: "past spins do not indicate future spins". It might sink in after a while.
I haven't decided yet whether you're a scammer and don't actually believe this nonsense yourself (you just want others to believe it) or whether you really do believe it and hence are completely deluded.
Still waiting for an answer as to why betting trends makes you a winner.
Quote from: Mike on November 28, 2010, 04:15:40 AMI haven't decided yet whether you're a scammer and don't actually believe this nonsense yourself (you just want others to believe it) or whether you really do believe it and hence are completely deluded.
All of the above.
Quote from: Mike on November 28, 2010, 04:15:40 AM
Neither can you. Believing that you can (whether you choose to call it a "formula" or not) is called the gambler's fallacy.
Call it whatever you want. Lean on any rationalization you want to. You are entitled to be wrong for as long as I choose to have you be wrong.
Quote from: MikeEach outcome is equally likely and independent of the last. It's so simple. Stop trying to confuse people with gibberish.
I never have said that each individual spin in not independent. That's you projecting a straw man issue. You think it makes perfect sense. So what are 20 continuous independent spins? Are they an independent set too? I say that sets of spins have characteristics. You don't. That makes you the fallacy merchant.
Quote from: MikeTry saying 100 times every day: "past spins do not indicate future spins". It might sink in after a while.
Mike, you really are a bowl movement in a symphony. I never have said that past spins are some kind of predictor. They aren't a preventer either. Say 100 times that past spins or probability odds can't prevent a trend from occurring.
Quote from: MikeI haven't decided yet whether you're a scammer and don't actually believe this nonsense yourself (you just want others to believe it) or whether you really do believe it and hence are completely deluded.
It's you that are deluded. You think it's all about prediction. That's your own stumbling block. Why do you need people to believe in your misconceptions?
Quote from: MikeStill waiting for an answer as to why betting trends makes you a winner.
Still waiting to drop the logic bomb on the entire gambling world. That will include your feeble corner of it chump.
Just noticed this. Mike, you have taken on the personality, traits, topics, and characteristics of Snowman / Herb. Of course that's just an educated guess.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
You are entitled to be wrong for as long as I choose to have you be wrong.
Think you need to make a call to the doctors......
That "self importance" gene of yours is YET again growing at a dangerous rate..... :nono: :nono: :nono:
Quote from: xman1970 on November 28, 2010, 03:43:14 PM
Think you need to make a call to the doctors......
That "self importance" gene of yours is YET again growing at a dangerous rate..... :nono: :nono: :nono:
You poor pathetic imbecile. The topic of this thread is about me showing all of you people that one day I will disclose my secrets. On that day I will in effect put you out of your misery. This will have a profound effect on you though. You have set out on a personal quest to destroy me. I suggest that you get some professional help because you will probably need to be placed on a self destructive watch. "HAPPY TIME"
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2010, 03:55:19 PM
You poor pathetic imbecile.
In reply #43 on this thread you state "Name calling is for school children" So Hi there Kindergarden !!! To be fair to you Gizmo you are consistently UNconsistent....
The topic of this thread is about me showing all of you people that one day I will disclose my secrets. On that day I will in effect put you out of your misery. This will have a profound effect on you though. You have set out on a personal quest to destroy me. I suggest that you get some professional help because you will probably need to be placed on a self destructive watch. "HAPPY TIME"
Well as normal in the REAL world the above is just Charlie Brown's teacher going "Wah! Wah! Wah! Wah!" same old same old...... :nono:
Quote from: xman1970 on November 28, 2010, 04:37:20 PM
In reply #43 on this thread you state "Name calling is for school children" So Hi there Kindergarden !!! To be fair to you Gizmo you are consistently UNconsistent....
Why don't you learn how to quote properly? I guess your name is "poor pathetic imbecile" then.
Quote from: xman1970 on November 28, 2010, 04:37:20 PM
Well as normal in the REAL world the above is just Charlie Brown's teacher going "Wah! Wah! Wah! Wah!" same old same old......
OK stupid, I'll spell it out for you. My original thread in this part of the forum was locked up. It ended after the announcement that the deal to train ten people for $500 each has now ended. This thread is an announcement of my intentions for my disclosure in the future. You are having such a difficult time with your fantasy, of what you think it means. No matter what happens in the future, when this comes out, I will always need to remember to be humble. I will need to be sympathetic to people such as yourself because of your limited capabilities. Even after disclosing my methods you will be overwhelmed with understanding it. I suspect that no matter how much tutelage you receive you will always be a loser.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2010, 03:55:19 PM
The topic of this thread is about me showing all of you people that one day I will disclose my secrets.
They say talk is cheap, but with Gizmo its even worse than cheap, its worthless. He sounds just like the kid who screams at his parents every day: "You'll be sorry! Just you wait, someday you'll be really really sorry!" Then he grows up, never leaves home, and he's right, his parents are really really sorry.
Quote from: cheese on November 28, 2010, 08:31:38 PM
They say talk is cheap, but with Gizmo its even worse than cheap, its worthless. He sounds just like the kid who screams at his parents every day: "You'll be sorry! Just you wait, someday you'll be really really sorry!" Then he grows up, never leaves home, and he's right, his parents are really really sorry.
Where do you get this crap? In fact where were you you cheapskate? I gave you a chance to see it first. But all you have is your uninformed opinion. You are nothing but a bitter excuse for a person. Go away if you don't like it. Please.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2010, 09:39:39 PM
Where do you get this stuff? In fact where were you you cheapskate? I gave you a chance to see it first.
For $500? You'd have to give me $500 just to look at it.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
I never have said that each individual spin in not independent. That's you projecting a straw man issue. You think it makes perfect sense. So what are 20 continuous independent spins? Are they an independent set too? I say that sets of spins have characteristics. You don't. That makes you the fallacy merchant.
D'uh. If each spin is independent then of course any sequence of spins are also independent. Yes, sets of spins can have "characteristics", that means diddly-squat. Show me a set of spins which DOESN'T, it has no bearing on whether you can predict the next spin or set of spins.
QuoteMike, you really are a bowl movement in a symphony. I never have said that past spins are some kind of predictor. They aren't a preventer either. Say 100 times that past spins or probability odds can't prevent a trend from occurring.
Please don't indulge in idle semantics. Whether you called it "prediction" or not doesn't change the fact that you're using past spins to make decisions as to what you bet on next, and you have to look at past spins to know whether they are trending. So they're not a predictor or a preventer, which means they're useless for the purposes of choosing your bets.
So we have more contradictions and attempts to deflect the real question:
On what principle or mathematical "law" is betting on trends based?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Quote from: cheese on November 29, 2010, 02:53:24 AM
For $500? You'd have to give me $500 just to look at it.
Who cut the cheese?
Quote from: Mike on November 29, 2010, 04:58:17 AM
D'uh. If each spin is independent then of course any sequence of spins are also independent. Yes, sets of spins can have "characteristics", that means diddly-squat. Show me a set of spins which DOESN'T, it has no bearing on whether you can predict the next spin or set of spins.
Prediction again. Snowman, you are so stuck on prediction that I think you will be stuck on it until you are pre dicked Ted. In fact that is your new name for life. Pre Dicked Ted
Quote from: Mike on November 29, 2010, 04:58:17 AM
Please don't indulge in idle semantics. Whether you called it "prediction" or not doesn't change the fact that you're using past spins to make decisions as to what you bet on next, and you have to look at past spins to know whether they are trending. So they're not a predictor or a preventer, which means they're useless for the purposes of choosing your bets.
So we have more contradictions and attempts to deflect the real question:
On what principle or mathematical "law" is betting on trends based?
Enquiring minds want to know.
I don't expect you to understand it. So what's your problem Ted? You are so blind that you think it's about a mathematical solution. Or even better you think there can't be a mathematical solution so you are just attempting to bate me. I know you are a loser using your very old tired wheel bias fallacy. What's the mathematical equation for loser Ted? Better to be dead than Ted = zero.
What is it exactly what you want Gizmotron?
He wants your money, and please leave any critical faculties at the door.
Another post devoid of any information content. And it's "bait" not "bate".
Quote from: Ka2 on November 29, 2010, 12:34:50 PM
What is it exactly what you want Gizmotron?
I just want to go out with a bang. I've taken a lot of criticism from people that believe they are right and that I'm wrong. This is a game right? They call it gaming so that it sounds more wholesome than gambling. If it's nothing more than a game then the goal is to win the game. At best the average gambler would love to break even. So my disclosure on my exit will do no real harm. It will stick with them for the rest of their lives though. They will know that I took the holy grail and killed it at the same time as they were discovering it. Again, no real harm done. I decided to train a few people, just to see what would happen. I plan to leak it out a little at a time, just to see what that does. I think it would be great to have 100 people out there, playing below the radar, and winning. You know, validating my methods for real. All this will make the story more interesting. You guys will say "Why didn't He share it?" So I thought that was a fair thing to do too. So I'm sharing it. I'm just thinking of the best way to share it.
Can you think of a better plan? Do the skeptics really deserve an even break? I don't think so. They deserve to bight the big one on all this.
Can you think of a better plan? .
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I can. Tell me your secret so I can rescue my family from poverty. In return we will celebrate your birthday every year as a family tradition. We can even hang a picture of you above the mantelpiece as the family benefactor.
Quote from: birdhands on November 29, 2010, 01:22:01 PM
"Can you think of a better plan?"
I can. Tell me your secret so I can rescue my family from poverty. In return we will celebrate your birthday every year as a family tradition. We can even hang a picture of you above the mantelpiece as the family benefactor.
That's funny. I was just talking with one of my students that knows I'm thinking of a plan to share it in a controlled way. Then it just hit me what to do. I will sell 100 self-teaching computer programs to 100 new students. They will then vote on this public forum to keep it a secret forever or to share it with the world. Once I reach 100 students then the offer will be gone forever. I will wait a few months and then have the vote. These people will come forward and vote openly. It will be up to them to keep it a secret, if that is what they chose to do. I'm guessing they will want it to be a secret. Now that is a plan.
Quote from: Mike on November 29, 2010, 12:53:17 PM
Another post devoid of any information content. And it's "bait" not "bate".
You sure it's not "abate" like in "bated breath?"
Gizmo,
Just for your information I have found a way to beat the RNG roulette machines. I got those suckers where I wanted them.
.
Nathan Detroit
Nathan,
How?
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 29, 2010, 01:33:54 PM
That's funny. I was just talking with one of my students that knows I'm thinking of a plan to share it in a controlled way. Then it just hit me what to do. I will sell 100 self-teaching computer programs to 100 new students. They will then vote on this public forum to keep it a secret forever or to share it with the world. Once I reach 100 students then the offer will be gone forever. I will wait a few months and then have the vote. These people will come forward and vote openly. It will be up to them to keep it a secret, if that is what they chose to do. I'm guessing they will want it to be a secret. Now that is a plan.
Yikes !!! Gizmo your sounding more n more like a James Bond baddie after each n ever post.....
Quick my students to the bunker..... Now who's going to set off the "self importance" Bomb ??
birdhand ,
I would rather not go into detail about this in a public forum. Hoping you will understand. I believe that many of those forums are monitored by casino goons .
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: xman1970 on November 29, 2010, 04:52:32 PM
Yikes !!! Gizmo your sounding more n more like a James Bond baddie after each n ever post.....
Quick my students to the bunker..... Now who's going to set off the "self importance" Bomb ??
You are the "self importance" bomb. Just look at your personal Signature. I set you off like a hand grenade in a closet.
You are personally invested in being an internet stalker. I have my plan. Unless someone else has a better idea. That's 100 people that will know how to win. Then the technique will be set on the shelf. It's a good plan.
How far off is the self teaching program?
How much will it cost?
Will there be any support for buyers?
Is this going to be available through the forums only, or will it also be listed on ebay?
Will there be any media shipped to the buyers or will it be a downloaded executable file?
QuoteHow far off is the self teaching program?
Perhaps by the first of the year. I want a few beta tests of the purchase process and the unlock key distribution through paypal.
QuoteHow much will it cost?
$100 USD
QuoteWill there be any support for buyers?
Only to install it. The method instructions will be complete. So will the practice tools.
QuoteIs this going to be available through the forums only, or will it also be listed on ebay?
It will be available from this forum only. They won't allow it being mentioned at the new/other VLS. I have no plans to blab it on ebay. If I'm forced to I will run an ad there perhaps.
QuoteWill there be any media shipped to the buyers or will it be a downloaded executable file?
It's a downloaded executable and an unlock code automatically transfered through a paypal purchase. With only 100 customers I may handle the unlock key personally. I haven't made up my mind yet.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 29, 2010, 08:10:48 PM
$100 USD
So you're nothing more than an ordinary system seller. Too bad, I gave you a chance, but you rather choose to make a u turn. Now I can't help you any more...
Good luck Giz
And my guess is Gizmotron won't give buyers a chance to get their money back if not satisfied, after all, he's selling software and an "instructional aid", not a system, so no guarantees will be given. It will probably be just like the other "bots" out there which tell you to wait for X losses or wins and then double up after losses.
Classic snake oil stuff.
Quote from: Ka2 on November 30, 2010, 05:20:45 AM
So you're nothing more than an ordinary system seller. Too bad, I gave you a chance, but you rather choose to make a u turn. Now I can't help you any more...
Good luck Giz
And good luck to you. I taught eight people how to read randomness, to recognize the characteristics of randomness, and to use a basic strategy to take advantage of randomness. I then ended the offer. I'm now considering that that process worked out very well, but was very time consuming. My goal being that I don't want to take my secrets to the grave. I want a status earned by perseverance. I want this mountain top first ascent.
Now for free you can look into why you have never been able to come up with a working strategy for using trends. It's completely on you. No scam, you can do all your own hard work. Now on the other hand, you can maybe one day perhaps, purchase a tutorial that explains all the steps to learning this for just $100. By any reasonable standard that is a bargain. You have decided it's a scam. When the truth is widely known you will realize that you only scammed yourself and all those you hoped would follow you. That's what makes this process so interesting. You are a double edged sword. One that cuts both ways. Yeah, good luck to you too.
Quote from: Mike on November 30, 2010, 05:52:44 AM
And my guess is Gizmotron won't give buyers a chance to get their money back if not satisfied, after all, he's selling software and an "instructional aid", not a system, so no guarantees will be given. It will probably be just like the other "bots" out there which tell you to wait for X losses or wins and then double up after losses.
Classic snake oil stuff.
It's a charting program that can generate spins for practice or have each spin entered by the user. It's possible to send spin sequences in the form of comma delimited lists to others and use the sequences for one on one discussion. The tutorial includes examples of randomness and instructions on how to identify the characteristics that offer advantages. Further instruction includes strategy and conditions that are common to typical play. The student is required to still do their own work. To become proficient at executing the strategy. It is the purpose of the software to give the student actual playing experience. The chart is set up for American or European wheels. At no time are specific rules laid out to make specific bets when specific conditions occur. The student is to become aware of randomness. It's a skill set that becomes part of the student.
You are nothing but a skeptic full of your own uniformed opinion. You should pay people to put up with your malarkey.
I have noticed over 12 years of board reading that system selling always heats up just after the summer holyday and in in November and December. New wrapping each year, same dissapointed faces each year. Looks like 2010 is no exception.
Quote from: Kelly on November 30, 2010, 03:33:45 PM
I have noticed over 12 years of board reading that system selling always heats up just after the summer holyday and in in November and December. New wrapping each year, same dissapointed faces each year. Looks like 2010 is no exception.
So being an informed expert on system sellers, how long should it take to get 100 customers? How many sellers cut off their offers after a goal is reached, and actually did it? If I were motivated by money I would think that $10,000 per student would be a bargain. When all is known in the future, $10,000 would easily thought to be a bargain. $100 is for the sole purpose of letting it all out slowly. There is no way 100 people will be able to keep it a secret. Someone will hammer a casino somewhere. It's human nature. It will be very interesting to see what you have to comment once this logic bomb has effected the casinos. I guess you will chock it up to statistics.
I haven`t followed your selling very tightly but didn`t you sell something for 500 and now you are selling something for 100 ? Thats not exactly stopping.
Yeah yeah, i`ll comment if there will ever bee something to comment on. Promises, promises..........you said the world was about to change and guess what: Its all gone snow white !!!! Thanks Gizmo, i thought i should never see my long underwear, oops ski dress gear, again.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 29, 2010, 02:58:33 PM
Gizmo,
Just for your information I have found a way to beat the RNG roulette machines. I got those suckers where I wanted them.
.
Nathan Detroit
So ND is saying here that he has beat the RNG. Am I the only one who thinks this is a big deal? Nathan, I respect and understand that you want to keep it all on the down-low, but surely there must be some way to help others benefit from your breakthrough. Maybe you can leak it to a select few after you've won your millions, or sell it to the highest bidder. I mean, aren't we talking about the greatest thing since the invention of the martingale here?
birdhands,
The machines I was referring to in a reply to Gizmo were the ones he says not to play. They are the SHUFFLEMASTER Vegas- Star.
Last week I spend about a total of 9 hours during 3 different casino visits . Only good for EC ( High/ Low excluded ).
Check out the book " Monte Carlo Anectodes ". The system is fully explained beginning on page 110. I modified the length of the intermittence to my liking . Flat betting.
CAUTION: Boring but effective :ok:
Stay away from the RUN. :nono:
Nathan Detroit
Oh, I thought you were talking about an online RNG. Thanks for sharing though.
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 30, 2010, 03:15:26 PM
1) The tutorial includes examples of randomness and instructions on how to identify the characteristics that offer advantages.
2) At no time are specific rules laid out to make specific bets when specific conditions occur.
What exactly does this mean? on the one hand you say there are advantages to be had, and you say how to identify them, but at the same time you don't give any "rules" for specific bets. Seems to me that you lack the courage of your convictions (if indeed you actually have any). What's more likely is that you know damn well there is no such thing as an "opportunity" (each outcome is equally likely, remember?) and 2) is just a get-out clause. If the user fails to make a profit it's his fault for not putting in the hours of practice - he just hasn't learned to read randomness well enough. :sarcastic:
Your software is as much use as a fart in a wind-tunnel.
At no time are specific rules laid out to make specific bets when specific conditions occur. >>
Of course not, how could you when you have no idea when to place a bet yourself. And this is going to shut down roulette?
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 30, 2010, 08:15:38 PM
Check out the book " Monte Carlo Anectodes ". The system is fully explained beginning on page 110. I modified the length of the intermittence to my liking . Flat betting.
Did you actually read the whole of that chapter?
QuoteThe author cites this rather long example to
show how fallacious most of the so-called
infallible systems are. It is one of the common-
est errors to suppose that the player obtains any
advantage by stopping after so many losses,until
his colour reappears. As a general rule it
comes to exactly the same thing in the long
run, whether he stops occasionally or plays
every ' coup '
Mike ,
Evidently you too have read the whole chapter. I especially like the last sentence of this chapter to consider the " coup de rateau ".
As I have stated I did play this at a certain type of RNG machine with modifications. My preference are the live roulette tables with a full staff. But the driving distance is too far.
My post was only a courtesy reply to birdshand but not for endorsing a certain system.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
Thanks again Nathan; sorry you had to take so much heat for your response. This thread is a full on war-zone. I'm gonna get out while I still can.
Breathe in. Breathe out.
Sam
PS Please nobody shoot me in the back while I run away.
Bang! ;D
Quote from: Mike on December 01, 2010, 04:49:20 AM
What exactly does this mean? on the one hand you say there are advantages to be had, and you say how to identify them, but at the same time you don't give any "rules" for specific bets. Seems to me that you lack the courage of your convictions (if indeed you actually have any). What's more likely is that you know damn well there is no such thing as an "opportunity" (each outcome is equally likely, remember?) and 2) is just a get-out clause. If the user fails to make a profit it's his fault for not putting in the hours of practice - he just hasn't learned to read randomness well enough. :sarcastic:
You can't call that an educated guess. What you don't know is clear. And once I do my thing you will be easily identifiable for you tirades and your jihad of fundamental roulette extremism. Go ahead, blab you opinions. They are worthless irrelevance.
Keep on rollin Gizmo, that hole your digging is getting bigger n bigger....... :good:
Quote from: xman1970 on December 01, 2010, 03:10:41 PM
Keep on rollin Gizmo, that hole your[sic] digging is getting bigger n bigger....... :good:
You keep on manning your watchtower, it's your favorite command post. You're just too bad for the gambling world.
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
BTW, did you become an ex-man before or after your operation?
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 01, 2010, 02:04:26 PM
You can't call that an educated guess. What you don't know is clear. And once I do my thing you will be easily identifiable for you tirades and your jihad of fundamental roulette extremism. Go ahead, blab you opinions. They are worthless irrelevance.
I don't think prospective buyers of your software will think my points are irrelevant, but you stick to the insults and rhetoric Gizmotron, it's what you're good at. Stay away from facts and logic, it just makes you look like an idiot.
Quote from: Mike on December 02, 2010, 05:42:38 AM
I don't think prospective buyers of your software will think my points are irrelevant, but you stick to the insults and rhetoric Gizmotron, it's what you're good at. Stay away from facts and logic, it just makes you look like an idiot.
LMFAO :D ;D :D
Looks like Mike has got you off to a tee Gizmo..... :good:
Quote from: Mike on December 02, 2010, 05:42:38 AM
I don't think prospective buyers of your software will think my points are irrelevant, but you stick to the insults and rhetoric Gizmotron, it's what you're good at. Stay away from facts and logic, it just makes you look like an idiot.
What the heck do you know? You are a self proclaimed advocate that there are no characteristics to randomness. You are a self proclaimed expert on the trail of the three blind mice. Your conclusions are rife with an absence of facts and logic. Yet that some how gives you the right to pontificate with your own dogmatic rhetoric. You need to get your own house in order before we need to hear from you. You have a far worst problem looming ahead. Your credibility is also on the line. Leading your arguments with fairy tales is only damaging to you.
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 02, 2010, 03:35:28 PMYour conclusions are rife with an absence of facts and logic.
So are your assertions. Your claims have no facts, just bluster and threats. Its like watching people who know nothing about math, argue about math. Pointless. Gizmo has again and again in the past said that he loves to use a whole lot of words and say absolutely nothing, and then sit back and laugh. Apparently this is his only talent.
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 02, 2010, 03:35:28 PM
What the heck do you know? You are a self proclaimed advocate that there are no characteristics to randomness.
Wrong. I didn't say that, I said that there are no characteristics to randomness which can give you an advantage. Of course there are "characteristics", you can take any sequence of spins and identify characteristics,
but in the absence of other information, the characteristic, whatever it may be, is useless as an indicator of the characteristics of future sequences.
Suppose you are sitting with a friend in a cafe and decide to have a bet on the colours of the cars driving past. Your friend believes that the chances are good that at least one of the next 10 cars to pass will be blue, because there are quite a lot of blue cars on the road at any time. He doesn't have any other reason to believe that another blue car will be along soon, only that it's a "characteristic" of cars that a lot of them are blue, and in the last few minutes quite a few blue cars have passed. You, on the other hand, decide to bet that a red car will be passing soon. You happen to know that today there is a car rally nearby, and that the cars going to the rally have to pass this way. You also know that the rally is for a particular make and model of car, and that the car was only made in 2 colours - red and black.
Each of you has knowledge regarding the likelihood of a car of your chosen colour passing, but your friend's information is weak, it's based on nothing other than the general distribution of blue cars in the total car population, and the fact that he has noticed a lot of blue cars this morning. Your information is stronger; even if you didn't know about the rally, you would not be at a disadvantage betting red, given that there are an equal distribution of car colours.
It's all about information which is relevant to the outcome of your chosen bet. The information I have about the rally and cars is analogous to knowing some physical property of the wheel/ball/dealer which can impact the outcome. If you have no such information, the wheel is then "random" - you have no basis on which to make a bet because you can't differentiate one outcome from another, you are simply saying that certain "characteristics" have been in evidence, therefore other characteristics will follow. Not only is there no reason to make such an assumption, but you are contradicting yourself if you also admit (as you do) that outcomes are equally likely and independent.
Next week WIKIILEAKS will post full details of the Truth Bomb. :ok: Have patience.
N.D.
Quote from: Mike on December 03, 2010, 05:08:49 AM
Wrong. I didn't say that, I said that there are no characteristics to randomness which can give you an advantage. Of course there are "characteristics", you can take any sequence of spins and identify characteristics, but in the absence of other information, the characteristic, whatever it may be, is useless as an indicator of the characteristics of future sequences.
What about a confirmation of a characteristic's continuance on each new spin? I'm telling you that as an indicator it's highly useful information. But according to you it's useless.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on December 03, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
Next week WIKIILEAKS will post full details of the Truth Bomb. :ok: Have patience.
N.D.
That is an excellent argument to never sell a working explanation of my discoveries. There is no such thing as an effective locking system for software distribution.
The only working idea is to give it away to the entire world for free, at the appropriate time. An exit strategy that will end most of the discussion on what works best, especially for the casino owners. I'm thinking that its too much work to leak all this out slowly. On the day that the concepts are widely known, or on the day of my immanent death I will publish it all for free. No scam, just the bomb. I'll go out with a laugh. That's the ticket. This works way better. Nothing for sale. No scam. No more people to teach. Like it or not this thread has reached its useful end too.
on that day the casinos will close the roulette wheels for ever.
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 03, 2010, 12:46:57 PM
No scam, just the bomb. I'll go out with a laugh.
Too late for that. We've been giggling about you for a long long time now..