VLS Roulette Forum

Hello. 

I'm not new on this forum, spent hours of reading your systems, ideas and results.   I play roulette for years, and only roulette of all casino games.   At first, I spent my time with my girl and friend in local casinos.   Then went online on Dublinbet which changed my perspective from fun play for money ment for that evening, to way to earn money. 

At first, Dublinbet and few other casinos of Vuetec have 10-15% bonus for every offer.   That's the main reason why I'm there.   Rare casinos have the opportunity to wager the bonus on roulette.   Dublinbet has that option.   So you deposit and just play for day or two, the bonus is cleared, and you withdraw your money. 

I spent more hours with the pen and paper, than playing.   Because, it's hard to have 15% yield on any roulette system, any other casino game, sports betting.  .  .  .   or any part of economic business.   So my goal was - how to play for a day - and not lose a euro.   Or even have the tollerance to earn a few € or lose a few €.  If you don't lose - you win 15% od starting bank.  Fabulous.

Deposit of 301 € gives us 346 (+45 €) at start, 3115 € of wagering requirement, and a 48 hour account lock for withdrawals. 

Through years I was losing, winning, tactics, systems, progressive betting, streets, corners, doubles, singles, sectors.  .  .  .   the result was:

- a lot of time spent
- progressive betting wasn't low risk
- starting play was low stakes, small winnings, small wagering
- later play was out of control, big stakes, and too small bank resulted with 0 € often

And what we all have problems - my psichology was ruined when playing for a lot of time.   Angry cause of the loss, put more money in and played stupid bets wanting to get money back which would never give good results. 

But one thing through years stayed in my head - wheel patterns.   I wrote numbers most of the played times.   Bank situation of the specific tactic was always in the excel.   Always same thing happening.   There is a saying - sometimes you win - sometimes you lose.   But on Roulette wheel, from my experience, was not that it was a saying - it is a rule. 

Take any number, any sector, any part of the table or wheel.   Play flat.   Sometimes it won't happen for spins and spins, sometimes it will happen every xx spins, sometimes it hits and hits.   When it hits and hits, a lot other things on the board are losing big.   So - we have a win or lose situation. 

Now, how do you use that? Luckily, years of studying systems helped me with that.   Forums, systems, math, statistics, numerous calculations.  .  .  .   and the result is funny.   I have a newbie-looking system, in excel, having low loss expectance, wagering friendly - and solid profit. 

Yield with 3115 € wagering requirement played wih 0,5/number bets goes up to 25%.   Thats 6230 units, with an average of 20-30 units per spin when playing.   Start is with an average of 10 units, maximum played is up to 100 units, but very rare.   Not every spin is played.   More spins are skipped than played.   Most of the time when the trigger is activated to play, less than 10 throws gives the profit. 

I came up with 20 patterns written and packed in one excel table.   Number written after every spin in the first column is implemented with the formulas in the pattern rows, so there is a trigger with every pattern.   Not easy to monitor and play all 20 even with the excel pointing at it, so I look to play when there is someone at the table - there is more time between spins. 

I believe there is a lot more than 20 patterns for the wheel's computer monitored algorithm.   I have a clue on few more, but not proven.   These 20 are proven.   But the richness of the system is that you don't have to play all 20.   You may play 1, 2, 10, 15.  .  .  .   Thing is, with 37 numbers on the wheel, I haven't found patterns for all of them.   2 don't have "partners".   The maximum is 4 patterns found for a number.   So, when you play, repeat of some number gives greater profit, some number when repeated gives more minus.   That is the reason, why I don't play all the time.   As there is a trigger for start, there is a trigger to stop the play. 

According to more non-played spins than played, there is a lot more patterns for the wheel.   I'm not able to recognise them yet.   Working on few more, but 20 is quite enough.   10 really good ones would be the optimum for play.   Yet, if they'd apper to often, the wheel wouldn't look random.   I don't believe it is, my records and results in play show something else. 

Didn't have time last days to have too much testings of the all 20 patterns.   The only I tested big was last week's one morning, 161 spins, every spin played, entered in excel.  .  .  .   it gave little more than 2000 unit profit.   That's 12 units per spin.   The bad thing with the testing was that I didn't write financial ups and downs.   It was with the imaginary bank.   Didn't seem to go down low.   But the next day, I've put in 301 €, that's 690 units with the bonus, and lost.   Had ups and down, but at the moment, 690 starting units wasn't enough.   From then, I stop all 20 when I get a good profit.   And from then, a long-term yield of 10-20% is normal.   I need more patters to play them all the time.   Or play less to have enough money in the bank and profit going with slower speed. 

My rule is always to deposit 301 €.   Lower deposit means 10% bonus, higher deposit means nothing but risking more money that is locked and risked.   I reserved 900 (300*3) for playing and for 2 months, never lost it.   More than 1000 in the bank is returned in my pocket.   In the future, I have a bank plan similar to the easy system played for the patterns.  Every pattern's expected loss is 100 on normal play, or 200 units on long term play.  With 20 patterns it means theoretically maximum minus for the game is 4000 units.  Which means that for few dozens of spins come out those 2 numbers I don't have pattern for.  Impossible.  Expected maximum is around 1000 or 2000 on looong term play at once, without stopping on stop-triggers.  Our bank gives us real maximum of 600 unit loss.  Which is very low due to amount earned while good patterns flow.

My point is that Dublinbet's roulette wheel is not random at all.   It has patterns, 20 found, 10 approx yet to be found.   Could take me months, but in those few months, I'll record these 20, have a true long-term income for every, and try to eliminate few of them, so every number would be included in 1 to 3 patterns.   Then, I could play all the time, have less risk for the bank and be able to play them any time, even with fast throwing situation. 

My problem wth the wheel, and your problem with me is - hard to test too much.   Pattern can't be tested on RX, few milion spins in few seconds.  .  .  .   Pattern can sleep for xx spins, while some other loses.   That's inevitable, but gives you doubts when you look at the table's records for few dozens of spins.   So, somebody has to sit in front of the computer and write numbers for days, not missing any.   In that 161 spin test, not every of the 20 patters had profit.   Some had few hundreds od units earned, some had a little loss. 

I even thought to recruit a student to write down numbers so I'd had a big database.  But when you leave someone alone, he can sleep for few hours and write down any number he wants for that period.  :) I'm a father of two kids, have a private business, so I don't have time and ways to test this system with quality.   Though I spend a lot of time writing and analysing my play on paper, it is for example when I'm waiting somewhere, sitting on the toilet, babysitting my kids.  .  .  .   but when I'm at the computer, and have time and privacy to open and play roulette without distraction, that little time I use to play for money, not sit and look.   That is the way I lost a lot money in the past.   Even my feeling told me >don't play now, not your numbers, not good concentration<, I played and lost.   Luckily, these patterns don't trigger all the time, so I have more time not to play, to analyse, and.  .  .  .   to write this. 

Good number database could help me, but so far, I enjoy playing these 20 patterns, and don't rush anywhere.   The bad thing for readers is that I'm not willing to give away the patterns I found for free because too much time I spent figuring it out, and the worst thing - situation when a lot of people play same numbers may change the way the wheel throws, because it has a input-output calculation programmed, giving approx 95-99% back.

If anyone else plays that wheel, I'm open for discussion of new patterns.   I never play table 2 on Dublinbet, and never tested these patterns.   Never play any else table on any else casino on the internet.   That's more time needed, but life's too short.    :)

Yesterday deposited 310 + 15% bonus = 356,5.    Yesterday little morning and little evening play.    Today less than 20 spins played, profit nice.    The bonuses are 33.   365% cleared.    Yet 2138 € to play.   

Great post. Do you think Dublin cheats? I also sent you a personal message.

I've never heard of dublin cheating. Only casinos in parts like costa rica. Dublin is subject to strict gaming laws.

He said Dublin's wheel is not random. If they aren't cheating, it has to be random.

Nothing is ever random. But if you're talking about rng play, that's plain unpredictable and you cant benefit from it, but still not exactly random. But I assume you mean real wheels. Exactly how is it not "random" from what you have found?

Husky says its not random. I think he means its a biased wheel. If thats the case, with thousands of people playing it every day, and many of them bias wheel players, they would be exploiting it 24/7 and I don't think Dublin is stupid enough t let that happen.

Hi.

It is random.  I can never guess the next number.

But when you look at my patterns, and look at the wheel, you can see when the wheel is throwing pattern-friendly, and when the pattern is sleeping.

Take a simple look at any single, double, corner, six line. . . .  You will notice 3 types of showing:

- no showing at all
- rare showing (in some reason)
- hitting it, its sector, its corner, its partner, its pattern. . . .

Anyone can see the first one.  Triggers I mentioned make the difference between second and third option.  Patterns seen on thousands of spins make the difference what numbers come along with the specific number.  By my way of seeing, table is random, but every number has the purpose of falling.

Ex.  - you see 10 last spins.  All red.  BUT, there are 10 red numbers.  Are they all low? Are they all orphelins? Are they all connected somehow? I say, if 10 numbers of red fall, none of this is possible.  Neither all same on the second criteria, neither completely different.  Than wait few hundreds of spins, till new 10 red appear.  See again what happened with them.  You'll probably see some pattern.  Then you need 10 more 10 reds to confirm or deny it.

Point is, when a red number is thrown, and 9 red are thrown before - it's purpose was to support red numbers.  My pattern is mostly not active at that moment.  None of my patterns include numbers of the same color.  But if doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that can be taken as an advantage.

Not simple to analyze, told you.  Months of play or history analysing.  Not easy to decide how long do you play those numbers.  I have a clue on that too.  Dublinbet has a fixed number of a maximum pattern repeating.  What ever you play, it has an end of repeating.  That can't be random too.  But it's not a rule if it will repeat it through exact number of spins.  But it has an end, triggered by a simple rule.

For example, if the wheel threw 15 or 20 tier numbers (small series, 33-27 on the wheel) - I think that Vuetec would go bankrupt.  A looooot of players play that.  Note, free pattern (not on my list) rule, 6 times is the most maximum for those.  Sometimes has 1 intruder of other kind, so comes in 7 spins, but that counts too.  Only six most.  And than it runs out to orphelins or voisins du zero and hardly comes back to tier.  They can't let it happen.  But, if it goes hadly red, those red will be spread accros the table so no sector will win, none third will win. . . .  playing colors gives you only double money, yet, most people when a lot reds come, progress on black, losing big time.  So color showing is I think more profitable.  Sector showing is not good for them because most people play sector that hits, increase when it's coming, decrease when it's not coming.

To analyze bias you need to analyze a lot of spins - at least if you look for single number bias rather than sector. Plus you should at least analyze different directions separately. Many times my players and i have found biased wheels online - you'd think they'd do something about it, and they do, but usually not before the smarter players are able to benefit from it. Nevertheless, a bias alone online being great enough to beat the wheel is very rare. But if you do a thorough enough analysis, for sure you can find various types of bias that you combine with other methods for an increased overall edge. Beating roulette is about getting whatever edge you can from wherever you can, then combining it into a singular method for maximum edge and practical play.

The 48hour withdrawal restriction ended this evening, went aggressively without stopping.    Played numbers were:

26 start
5
17
7
31
9
0
26
27
11
8
28
34
30
4
0
19
32
31
20
13
22
33
13
35
5
35
2
26
34
0
5
4
30
33
17
26
30
16
11
15
6
5
21
9
27
22
5
14
12 end (due to wagering requirement, not the system end)

And a loss is here.    My starting bank was as shown, 667 €.    Peak high was 717, peak low was 520 €.    With next 8 fallen watching while writing this, would have some more return to around 700.    And then a miss with 30 and a few euros played, following 2 triggers to stop.    I didn't miss much obviously.    Big minus at the picture for the day three is cause of the high level at midnight.   

Satisfied with a bank doubled in 48 hours, effective 2 hours of play, and approx 3-4 hours waiting for the triggers or logging in and leaving the casino after seeing negative results.   

Will carry on experimenting.    I have 3-4 patters yet to be furfilled.    Still only 2-3 numbers proven on any.    Need 4 to qualifiy as a pattern, and a week or two to confirm it.   

Are these spins from a particular direction? Or both directions combined?

I don't watch that.  Either way, the result is managed by a magnet.  A computer.  Dealer and the direction of the throw mean no difference for the result.

Are you saying that dublinbet is cheating with magnets?

>>Either way, the result is managed by a magnet.  A computer.>>

You are the second experienced player I've seen accuse Dublin of using magnets. I'm starting to wonde if its true. I do OK playin on paper but have trouble when I make real bets. Something is not right there.

Quote from: Steve link=topic=15435. msg97545#msg97545 date=1268099836
Are you saying that dublinbet is cheating with magnets?

I ask you - which doesn't.  I had 3 posts till today on this forum.  One of them was on this subject, a year ago.

I played RNG casinos, and I'm sure they're programmed to give back approx.  95 to 99%.

Land casinos with electronic roulettes are also programmed, but their return falls down to 80% due to higher operating costs, lower traffic, and their survival.

You are wrong if you think the goverments are protecting us.  They take taxes from playing.  20% of the profit of the casino.  So their ass is in our bets too.

I have a official proof of that too.  I don't know for other countries, but Croatia has the "Law for games based on luck" to regulate all games such as lotto, betting, casinos etc.  The law has this part:

>>>Članak 63.

Automati za igre na sreću moraju biti tako konstruirani, odnosno podešeni, da na ukupan broj programiranih kombinacija isplaćuju igračima najmanje 80% od vrijednosti uplata za sudjelovanje u igrama na sreću u tromjesečnom razdoblju, uz bilježenje ulaza I izlaza mehaničkim brojčanicima. <<<

On English: The automatic gaming equipment must be constructed, or fixed, to on all the programmed combinations give back the players at least 80% of the pay in during the three month period, using mechanical counters to register payins and payouts.

So check out your country laws.  Internet casinos mostly open in countries where the laws of gambling are better for them.  But locals (electronic) and RNG's are the worst option to play.

This is the law.  You just can't tell me all the spins are natural phisics.  Not all of them are directed, I can't say for all of them, but the ball is sometimes doing miracles.  Jumping out of the number, skipping a sector, fast increasing or decreasing speed.  Most of the time, ball falls down from the wooden part, directly to numbers, and sits in a number as iz has no inertia.  Next time, hops aruond. . . .

If I could record those spins, I'd show you some really weird stuff.

there were no people playing there at the time? If there were other players then cheating doesn't make any sense,
everybody would put bets in different areas, right?


how can u know for sure there was a magnet? maybe just bad luck.

roulette wheel is not allowed to be "programmed" legally. Slot machines, lotto maybe yes. Installing any magnet in roulette wheel is illegal isn't it?

Most of the time, ball falls down from the wooden part, directly to numbers, and sits in a number as iz has no inertia.  Next time, hops aruond. . . .>>>

I've heard different experienced players say over and over that you see things happen on Dublin that you never see aywhere else. I agree, those wheels act very strangely at times, especially early in the morning in Ireland when there are no live players. A computer would instantly know which number is the most dangerous bet for the casino and to avoid that number. Not on all spins, just on those that would cost the casino a lot of money.

Magnets not installed in Croatian's local casino machines - it is illegal.

If someone can find Irish gambling law, regarding to this would be good.  Because Vuetec (newly installed) pops out a warning that the spins are generated in Dublin, Ireland, and not regulated by Isle of man laws.

Obviously, there is a difference between some regulations due to results of the spins.  Qould it say if it was purely random? That note is when you are starting to play.  So it is ment for the play.  Probably not pointing at taxes and othr birocratic stuff.

Its illegal in Ireland too. Doesn't mean they didn't bribe some official.

Here is the warning.

If I'm reading this right, they run the casino from Ireland, but are not regulated by Irish law. Interesting. Normally if you run something within a specific country, you must abide by the local laws. If they arent subject to the laws, they can do anything. But keep in mind the actual casino producing the spins would need to be subject to the laws, which means no magnets.

The actual casino is in Dublin, at the Fitzwilliam Card Club. I don't know how they do it, but too many experienced players are smelling a rat. A guy on another list says he installed expensive magnets on his own wheel and the results were amazing.

Quote from: Steve on March 08, 2010, 11:43:43 PM
If I'm reading this right, they run the casino from Ireland, but are not regulated by Irish law. Interesting. Normally if you run something within a specific country, you must abide by the local laws. If they arent subject to the laws, they can do anything. But keep in mind the actual casino producing the spins would need to be subject to the laws, which means no magnets.

They run casino on the Isle of Man, but the spins come from Ireland, and the Isle of man's laws do not regulate the outcome of the spins.

But the actual wheel is in Ireland. Are you saying we're not seeing the actual wheel on the website? We're seeing another wheel?

I would say it does make sense not to place big bets on separate numbers, better to cover larger area with smaller bets. what do u say.

or play when there are lots of players around and they would not cheat. On the other hand for for those casinos must be  a lot of online gamblers. I can hardly imagine that from all the world  Husky alone is playing the game and the  bastards are aiming exclusively at his bets.

I can hardly imagine that from all the world  Husky alone is playing the game and the  bastards are aiming exclusively at his bets.>>>

They wouldn't. But it would screw up his play bcause the outcomes are no longer random, they are fabricated.

In all the dealings my players have had with dublinbet, I dont think we've had one negative one yet. Plenty of negative experiences with many other online casinos. Based on analysis I've personally done of their spins and results players get, I highly doubt the spins are influenced by magnets.

If there is data that suggests otherwise, I'd definitely love to have a look at it.

Quote from: cheese on March 09, 2010, 12:02:14 AM
But the actual wheel is in Ireland. Are you saying we're not seeing the actual wheel on the website? We're seeing another wheel?

No. There are no that kind cheats. Everything is transparent.

The doubt is if any of spins is directed by a magnet or not. Those in Croatia, where I live and only played locals, are directed by the magnet, and that's the law. I don't think we are the only ones, especially knowing that most of the machines are produced by Gold Club from Slovenia, and they sell their machines to 30 countries.

Live wheels are not different.

Based on analysis I've personally done of their spins and results players get>>>

The only way you would know is if you have a lot of experience playing a specific way and have the same consistant results on other wheels. When you play Dublin and time after time don't have those results, you have to suspect them.

I doubt there are any magnets in the wheel, it would take 2 minutes for  the gaming control to find them, also the balls are checked for magnets before play.

Its a real wheel  and its streamed directly for the internet. Several players has checked by phoning a frind just before arrival and then go inside and give the friend a hello on the screen.  According to a known VB player there is nothing out of the ordinary in the scatter or anything else in the wheel.

A few years back some casinos used balls with a metal core that were slightly misplaced from the middle of the ball which gave some odd runs on the rotor, but i think they wen`t out of the game again.

I don't suspect their wheel of any foul play, but I have had several mysterious computer shutdowns while playing on Dublin Bet... she just goes black...off.

My computer stays on almost 24/7 and it never ever happens any other time.

It has only ever happened while playing on Dublin Bet.

I suspect you download a little bit more than the runtime application when you click the button.

I would now never play anything requiring a progression online.

One guy told me a story about a casino here in Canada, that his friend was playing roulette and a dealer dropped a ball on a floor, and the guy happened to pick up the ball and quickly found out it is magnetic. Right after this came security people and took him outside.

that's what i was told. I am not claiming that this is a 100% truth, but i know the guy who told me the story. He is not a bullshitter.

so he just happened to have a magnet in his hand when the dealer dropped the ball?

i dunno all the details, but maybe the ball ITSELF was magneted. I am just telling u what i was told by someone  who was told also by someone. I could not swear in court of justice  that this is a truth, whole truth, and nothing but a truth.

Does anyone know where to find irish gambling law? I googled for an hour, couldn't find it. That would clear out many things. I would prove you that randomness has a different meaning than you think in the local casinos. When I look at the spun numbers at the table, I can't always see the randomness.

I'm telling you, spins can be read by these patterns. I can prove it. And I do with 2 moths without a loss for 3 session bank - gives me the right to say it.

Tommorow I'm starting a new session.

Call me crazy, but I'm never afraid to lose when I open the casino application. It's just a question how many patterns of the 20 of mine will show after the trigger. If there is no trigger, something else is going on, I don't start playing and skip the eventual losing streak. Losing streaks are not worrying for long term profit, but are worrying for the bank at that moment, it can't hold for all 20 patterns if most of them sleep. With the fast spining situation by the dealer, I even can't play all 20.

Could work on decreasing the number od them, but watching more of them that I could use, knowing all of them sleep for some time, but on the end (100-200-300 spins) give profit, I am in doubt how to use them.

The law says they can't cheat, but what really matters is what happens if they get caught. If its just a reasonable fine, then its worth it for them to gaff a wheel or two.

Casino gambling in The Republic of Ireland falls under the 1956 Gaming and Lotteries Act. This law makes casino gambling illegal, except for private clubs.

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List of Irish Casinos

78 Club (78 Aungier Street, Dublin) The 78 Club has 5 blackjack and 4 roulette tables. No alcohol is served, although other beverages are served. Membership to the club can be obtained in person or via the Internet. Members must be at least 21 years of age.

Atari Expo - Omni Park Entertainment Center (Omni Park, Dublin)

Atari Expo - Square Town Entertainment Center (Square Town, Dublin) Info: +353 14 52 2828

Club Oasis Casino (4 Westmoreland Street, Dublin) Open Monday thru Thursday from 10am until 1am. Open Friday thru Sunday from 10am to 2am. Featuring a bar and hotel located nearby, the casino has 250 gaming machines and 13 table and poker games (including 3 Card Poker, Blackjack and Texas Hold'em).

Mayfair Casino Club (15 Harcourt Street, Dublin) Open daily from 9pm until 6am. The casino features 6 blackjack tables, a Brit Brag table, 7 poker tables, a Punto Banco 2000 table and 3 roulette tables.

Silks Club (24 Earlsfort Terrace, Dublin) Open daily from 8pm until 6am. Fifteen table and poker games are offered. There is also a separate bar area with a plasma screen television. Free parking is offered after 7pm. Info: +353 14 75 9191

The Fitzwilliam Card Club (Clifton Hall, Lower Fitzwilliam Street, Dublin) Open 24 hours a day. Twenty-three table and poker games including blackjack, 5 card draw, roulette and Omaha).

Collosus Casinos Sporting Club (5-5a Montague Street, Stephens Green) The casino features 7 blackjack tables, 2 Brit Brag tables and 4 roulette tables.

Amusement City (4 Westmoreland Street, Dublin) Open 7 days a week. 12 tables games, 250 slot machines and 7 poker tables. Minimum age is 21. This is the most established casino in Dublin.

Merrion Casino Club (81 Merrion Square, Dublin) 4 blackjack tables, one Brit Brag table, 10 poker tables, 2 roulette tables, and 6 Texas Holdem tables. Bridge tournaments are also offered. Must be 21 to obtain a membership.

CK's Casino (86 South Mall, Cork) Open from 9pm until 7am. Games include roulette, blackjack, Caribbean stud poker, baccarat and Let It Ride. Minimum gambling age is 18.

Fitzpatrick's Casino Limerick (Glentworth Street, Limerick City) Minimum gambling age is 21. Includes slot machines, American roulette, blackjack, stud poker, and 12 table games in all. This is the largest casino in Ireland.

Adelaide Casino (Adelaide Street, Sligo) Open Thursday through Monday from 9pm on. Minimum age to gamble is 18. Games include poker, roulette, blackjack, brag and stud poker.

Emerald Casino (16 Park Street, Dundalk) The largest (and only) casino in Dundalk. Offers slot machines and table games.

I just can't believe that the Irish gaming law is last updated in 1956. I don't think that there was any electric slot machine at that time.

37.—(1) A member of the Garda Síochána may seize any gaming instrument, being a slot-machine prohibited by section 10 or a gaming instrument having any device by means of which it can be fraudulently operated or which he has reason to believe is being fraudulently operated or used for unlawful gaming.
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(2) No person shall operate or permit to be operated or be in possession or control of any gaming instrument having any such device.

Ok, I just don't see any part of the law, that says that machines can't be preprogrammed. Machines are not allowed to be remotely controled, or that anyone can know the next outcome. But, preprogramming, randomnes of the stake minus profit distribution is not mentioned. That calculation must end below 100 %, depending on the traffic of the casino.

That law is like Croatia's gaming law. Can't see any great difference regarding the "randomness".  Preprograming -if it's not said as forbidden.... isn't it allowed?

A casino in Croatia has the next economic situation.

Operational costs
deposits
payouts

difference between deposits and payouts must be > 80%.

If 20% proit is not enough to cover the operational costs, it closes.

There are no big wins, there are no surprises for the casinos - the profit is always approx 20%.

What we don't know is - who wins, who loses - and how much.

If you think of the casinos online, closed casinos were not popular. They were ugly, no bonuses.... Popular casinos can't go bankrupt. Huge traffic. Payouts go to 99%. That's a marketing and popularity issue too. Like any other merchandise - lower the profit margin - more happy customers

If anyone can dispute this statements - please do.

or that anyone can know the next outcome. >>>>

As long as the next outcome is unknown, they may be able to get away with a lot. This keeps coming up over and over among experienced players, that something is not right with Dublin outcomes. Its not a coincidence.

Hi, here again.

Did some calculations, history reviews and hard decisions. Went down from 20 to 15 played patterns - to protect the session bank.

Secured the bank with a little more units. Deposited 330 €, bonus is 49,5 € = 379,5. 759 units should manage 15 patterns.

I played 3 triggered starts, all 3 gave plus in 5 spins max.

We'll see how's it going with 15 now. If those 5 fall nicely, I'll cry and write down how are they going. Maybe they'll kick out some other out of the top 15. If any of those don't give a fast profit, I will kick'em out gladly. Don't have to add any more.

I remain in doubt on few other connected numbers. Have few combinations of 2 numbers that mostly come together, even few times in a row, but I need 4 of them. 4 is the basis of all these 15. One has 5 numbers, but I'm still not sure which is the intruder. Maybe none.

Caro wheel. Gaffed with electro magnets under each pocket

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One more interesting thing about the croupiers.

My local live casino is Golden sun, originaly from Spain. Not some Croatian company. One of the best casinos in Zagreb and Croatia at all.

I'm going there often. First situation, that I never dreamed about. Early hours, I play, 1 more guy plays. Losing some. Then 2 guys come, that from the first talk to the dealer. Obviously knew each other, either private, either from the casino play. 2 guys lost a few hands. Than the dealer tells him normaly. Pump up the orpfelins, 1-2 numbers around. Boom an orphelin. They had'em good. Then, he switched to whispering mode. He wispered him the next, said "voisins". 26 fell. I started to follow too. He than told him to play around seven. I played it too. 28 fell. Said then, play around 2-4. Got'em too. 17 fell. Had him. The 3rd guy got the game too. For the next spin, all 3 of us had the tier numbers, 16 fell. That was pretty much funny and obvious, so he stopped telling the next spin. I got back from the minus into severe plus. The guy played with 3-4-5 units/number. had around 1 - 2 thousand profit, regarding he missed the 28, just forgott it, having all other numbers around.

Second situation. I'm playing Blackjack. The card shuffle is on. I make fun with the croupier, say I'm going to place a few chips on a roulette. I ask her what to play? She asks what number fell. I say 13. She says - play 31. No one playing that roulette table. A young girl is at the table as a croupiere. Knew her from before, but never talked with her. I told her: your friend at the blackjack told you to hit the 31, and placed 4 chips, 14-31-9-22. She says: I expect it a little hgher at 18 or 22. I move the chip 14 to 18. Fell 18. I gave her the tip, but gave me more thoughts about it.

It all happened around the new year, 2-3 months ago. Since then, I started to follow Dublin in any way but random. There are just too many evidences in my 5 year casino experience that the randomness is directed by some way.

I think, that if I would rob a casino, I wouldn't steal money, I'd steal the table.  ;D

100% is the result of the croupier prognosing the outcome when said anything while I was playing.... not an accident.

Great read husky  :thumbsup:

and Kelly seems like a stupid question but was this roulette wheel with the magnets being used at a live casino or do i need a sense of humour

regards,
MATTJONO

!!!

where is this pic  from??????

No the wheel is for real.  I heard about it a long time ago in a mail correspondence with someone who wanted advice on some VB and who had been involved in some way with the wheel or the  scam, directly or indirectly. Can`t quite remember anymore. His first language was not english.  I didn`t pay much attention to it at the time.

Then this wheel appeared on e bay and you can actually buy it from someone in the UK.  The seller claims the fraud took place in southern france which matches very well that correspondence i had, was with someone who were struggeling a bit  with the british language. Also, Caro were a vvery common  wheel type in France some years back.  Apparently the owners of the club were behind the fraud and went to jail. 

wow...what a story, Kelly.

was he  a victim of the scam or  scammer?

He didn`t sound like he had been scammed, but he sure knew about the wheel.  Unfortunately I didn`t ask any questions so I don`t really know what his connections to the wheel was.  Frankly I probably at the time thought it was just another story, but there you go.

Anyway, you can buy the thing on ebay with magnets and everything, although the seller is not sure that the magnets are still working.

I seriously doubt   casinos of today would ever do a thing like that, the loss versus gain by having such a wheel is not to their favour.  And it takes 2 minutes to lift off the rotor and be discovered by the gaming control. Well maybe a bit more than 2 minutes since i don`t think the magnets is on the rotor but below the "room" in which the rotor moves.

"I seriously doubt   casinos of today would ever do a thing like that, the loss versus gain by having such a wheel is not to their favour.  And it takes 2 minutes to lift off the rotor and be discovered by the gaming control. Well maybe a bit more than 2 minutes since I don`t think the magnets is on the rotor but below the "room" in which the rotor moves."



I guess it depends on the real situation with corruption in the industry in certain country or province. And on the extend of control over those casinos. If inspectors and respective  politicians are bought, casino owners can do what they want. There is a lot of money in this industry. What if they have people inside the system which can always whisper to them a word about the inspection to be soon. Can regular police raid the casino if they suspect fraud there? I am not sure.

we don't know exactly about reality out there. Nobody will let us have a look under the wheel  :nono:

The theory of the wheel is a mistery, but the spins are not.  :good:

Short-term yield is fascinating. None triggered start went greather than 5 spins.

Still much to go, but this can't be accidental.

The interesting thing is that I could earn more, cause I didn't stop after the off trigger, but on the profit. Patterned numbers most of the time showed more. I'd do more wager, but that's not the priority.

Richness of less patterns played and stopping at profit is that the patterns do work, and they hit often, 1-2 times after the trigger. If there is a profit, chances of hitting more of them are low. Going to minus needs multple pattern hits to get back to profit, and that I can't expect t happen all the time. If I was in minus most of these times, 1 hit wouldn't give profit, but more of them would. Good sign.

Another gaffed wheel.

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What I find with Dublin is you have to make a small amount and quit. If you stay and try to make more, they will soon start winning and you will never get ahead again.

LOOOL

Have you ever seend this kind of percentage?  :)

I know the sceptics and the "wise gus" will say, it's a very short term stat.... but last account more than doubled and shown, many times a like before coming to this forum, this one without a miss with only following Dublin's non-accidential spins with a remarkable percentage of return.

This is not a system. It's pure number-guessing. Going quite good. Too bad I don't have much time to play, a lot of work and family obligations, but as Mr. J said at the begining of his method - it pays bills.  :pleasantry:

And, a disclaimer, this is not a progressive or "a need 1 hit to win" system. Almost flat, so the bank hardly goes backwards, only if too many patterns played, or not starting & stopping on triggers.

Damn! This is first sign of Dublinbet's unfairness.

15.3. 13:31

Number 16 was throw about 9 times in less than 30 spins. Among that, tier (5-8-10-11-13-16-23-24-27-30-33-36) was very often, even 9 in a row, 21 then again tier....

When 16 had hit last time, they just closed the connection and the RNG took place.

Few days ago I told you that if the table would throw a lot of the same thing, they'd had big financial loss. To streighten up things, the RNG after the 16 threw:

16 -> 28 19 23 31 14 1 29 19 - and then back to visual.

This is veeeery strange. They had to stop possible tier throws and gave a 1/8 with the RNG.

I stopped my session, in small minus, but that's nothing compared with what the "R"NG can do to me. i stick to wheel play.

The wheel after the camera switch still throws tier while I write this:

after RNG's 19: 28 5 27 24 ....

It's 13:40, anyone can see this. Who plays tier, he's rich by now.

11.  :haha:

36  :haha:

Had it. Played tier for the first time. This is sick.

15 and then 8.  :lol:

Had it again. Go tier!

32 then 4 then 23 then 23 again!!!! So, orphelins and a great part of the voisins are sleeping for quite a while.

Never saw this much tier on Dublinbet in few years.

Without the RNG numbers, I'd say nearly 30 of 40 numbers were tier.

after 2x23 went to 32 again and then 10, 28, 2.

15, 3, 24, 33, 7.

Without those RNG numbers, orphelins are sleeping for about 30 times.  :-X

14  :swoon:, 36, 3, 27, 29, 23, 33.  :haha:

Table 1 is weird with 16. Fell another one 10 spins ago, approx 20-30 spins after my last message. Now 3 times 16 in 5 spins. In last 10 numbers - 7 are tier numbers.  :hi:

Then 17, 36, 13. That's 9/13, similar to 30/40 an hour ago.

30  :haha:

30 again.  :download:

1, 14, 23, 14, 30, 10, 10.

I'm not playing at the moment. Returned the small minus left when the RNG came. A lot of wagering done, 38%.

I'd have profit at this stage, if I'd played, but too weird for me. It's better to stay away when things like this happen.

Pattern reading just fine. 15 of them played. I'm very optimistic on this type of playing.

330 was the deposit, with the 49,5 bonus, that's 50% up with the bank. Wager: 62% remaining. The planned withdrawal is again: deposit x 2.  :)

On Dublin, the dozens tend to sleep for a longer period and far more often than other wheels do. This makes the casino a lot of money because most players don't notice it.

Another day in paradise....

Not much time spent behind the wheel  :biggrin: , but the yield is what matters. No loses. Off to sleep & then to work, tomorow evening I'll play again.

Hello husky, pozdravljam te i na našem jeziku.
I like your thread and i have sugestion. Why you dont download Tiago number capture tool for dublinbet?
I think you can find it in download section.

Gogo

Pozdrav Gogo.

Thanks for the hint, found it. I'll download and try it.

I've got left 20 % to wager, but the connection to Dublinbet breaks every minute, impossible to play. I'll do it tomorrow.

A lot of days without a loss. Picture attached again for proof.

Today, I could earn a lot, but the trigger was profitable again from the first. Then a 100 or more € profit would have been achieved. I didn't play it. Then another trigger came. Went to a little loss, got me back to few € less than I started, but I continued to play. Patterns were not much at play, went down 150 €, but when they came again, a fast profit was made again. The system of play shuts down inactive patterns before they can go down too low, but when they come, they easily return the loss.

With "only" 15 patterns played, I always have enough time to moderete the stake. The bank doesn't go down more than 200 € from the amount before the trigger came, and the game started. That wasn't the rule with 20 patterns.

Few more sessions and I hope I'll have strength to go up from 0,5 to 1 € per unit. A big step for a guy with a 500 € monthly salary, which is Croatia's average. Profit accumulates slowly due to lack of time to play.

I hope you all readers are more and more convinced, as I am, that Dublinbet's spins are not so random as you think.

The statistics say that if I always play same numbers, sometimes I'll lose, sometimes I'll win. But there is no loss. If there is, it doesn't last for long. Most seen spins, without any of the 15 patterns happening is 10-15. More closer to 10 then 15. Average of 2-3 spins is for any pattern to hit.

C U tomorrow.

I started to play at 18:15 cet, logged in for 1h 45m, and it's absolutely fascinating how the patterns worked after the triggers.

7 triggers at that time, immediate profit, 1 double pattern hit.

Bets €82.00     
Payouts €144.00     
Profit €62.00     
Payout percentage 175.61%

Only 2 percent of the wager amount played, a 20 percent of the starting bank profit. Going out now, I'll get back few hours later. This is now a rutine, because the bankroll is 637 €, and the remaining wager amount is 646 €. Can't go down too low, now can't I.  :)

I'm dissapointed there is no feedback. Doesn't anyone play Dublinbet, or any other Vuetec's casino, on table 1? This statistics are all but accidental.

when I have time I will try to do it with fun money, no time right now, sorry, mate. it is very interesting keep us updated.  :thumbsup:

good luck buddy

Thanks. I'm done with the second public session. Got up to 690 €, but due to wagering all the amout, I stopped playing, and witdrawal of 636 was made.

First session

Deposit 310 €
Withdrawal 633 €
Profit 323 €

Second session

Deposit 330
Withdrawal 636 €
Profit 306 €

Both yields just a little under 10%.

No additional bets. Just 15 patterns, 99,9% of the bets. The 0,01% is when I miss a number or something similar, and the xxx,5 amount remains, I bet 0,5 by will.

I'm very satisfied with the win "without sweat and tears", no severe bankroll extremes ( up to 150 € = 300 units max ).

Had a day to rest, as usual. It's not good to play all the time, either win or loss. Every deposit is unique, and our brain must forget the result because that's the only way to stay cold-headed, not rush for a loss, or to be encouraged by a profit.

I've just deposited 301 €, but now I don't have to play. I'll be back later this evening. I'm not afraid of a loss, just curious will I go over 600 € payout or less. :)

P.S. Question for readers, how much would you pay for a tutorial that learns you how to double your bank in 2-3 days at each deposit? If it happens for the third time in a row, I think 5 ooo € will be too little to ask for. :) Next 2 days, 15 patterns + all needed knowlege & excel table + full live support 24/7 at Dublinbet + warranty & patches for a month = 3 ooo €. PM.

I lost hope of looking for anyone to think as I do & play similar for open discussion of DB bias. My knowlege till now is on sale, than maybe someone else will get into it. I don't want to put it in public because too many people woul play same numbers every spin. That's not good for anyone.

301 deposit - 45,15 bonus - 346,15 total - 0,15 played on slot machine - 0,5 returned and stop - 1. trigger hit @ table 1 - 360,5 already.

Let the games begin!

Got to 370, trigger came again, 5 straight misses, peak low 288, then 2 hits and back to profit - 372.  :whistle:

Current bankroll is 411 €. Wagered 28 %.

While playing, I did a first test in RExtreme. Didn't fall under 500 at all. Lol. Went to 900 in 75 spins with 1 € bets. Quite good. I should make a larger test. Needs a lot of time, that's a problem.

good for u Husky! keep it up!  :thumbsup: :dance1:

i keep following u. hopefully u will be able to keep it that way

I think 5000 € will be too little to ask for.>

So you have no confidence that it will continue to win? Nobody sells a winning system.

If I thought that it was bullshit, I wouldn't of come here, or I'd sell it for 10 or 100 € just to take somebody's money. The problem was that with 500 € a month income (excludes living & transport paid by bussines) and 2 kids and other expences it's hard to make a bank that I'd like to play. It's hard to play the lowest - 0,5 €/bet. If I'd play with 5 €/bet, I'd have enough to buy a car just this week's time.

But you are absolutely right, I'm on another deal now, 3 000 selling is off, so I'll close this topic.

People like to lose their money on their own, so be it.  ;D

Good luck.

I got a pm:

why would u get angry and lock the topic?
because of someone's posting u didn't  like?
this was a great thread I think. very interesting

No feedback.

No play-alikes.

No constructive talk.

Waste of time.

I have a betting blog for 2-3 years, similar thing. People are ready to lose hundreds on bad systems, but won't give 10 € for a good advice - which I asked after 2 years of free adices, experiences, casino reviews, bonus infos.... commercial and profit free.

Everyone just says - just gimme a winning system - tell me how you play - you are an idiot if you think you can win.... Momentarily when the same thing occured here on the forum, I'm out. Too tired of it. Too much euros and time I spent on getting to this level to get fooled around.

Try to do selling is wrong, as cheese said. I was afraid what would of happen if the patterns went public, a lot of people would play them. I risk my own golden hen.

I've got another way to move up my play, so I'll stick to my own effort and profit.

I wish you all luck, because we all need it. Knowledge is what makes the difference. It's priceless. As a lawyer can't teach you to be one in 1-2 days, ypu spend 5-6 years to get to it..... it seems that everyone just has to pass that school, lose money and time to get to something. Quitters will quit, the persistent win. Be persistent, persistent and smart  ones control their losses and achieve a profit some day even with a bad system.

I just thought it odd that you post a few screen shots and now want to sell the system. People who have genuine winning sysyems never want to sell them, not for 5000 anyway. Just an observation. Who would sell a goose that lays golden eggs?

I told you - the one who hasn't enough money for the secure bank to play and the one who has spent a lot of time and money to get to this way of play.

I'd take a payment or two and play for big money.

2*300 a week = 600 * 4 = 2400. Asuming that I'll lose a time or two.... and take few hundred euros for life's expences.... it'll take me 6 months to make a bank like that.

But it doesn't matter any more. You are more right than I am. Why to sell? I'll increase my bank soon, not for that much money, but I'll have it. I I've waited for 3 years for a system that wins, I'll wait for 6 months to 10-times increase my bank.

And if these pic's are not good enough.... I don't know what on this forum people look for? Few hundreds of people read and test and write systems that win or lose. I give you live play and double my bank each time.... nobody joins the talk. Nobody tested Dublin bet. Nobody said anything constructive to this play. Nobody tried to get to a pattern with or without my help. I offered selling after a week or two writing here.

These pic's are not from a simulator, that you can undo spin, in which you can test numerous times. It's Dublin bet, public casino. My money, not fake. My time taken to play tens of spins and to record and explain what do I do to make advatage in play.

I know everyone is sceptic, because newbies like I am with 0-10 posts come here every day and claim that they have a winning system.... but if nobody recognizes difference between empty-talk and something different than all the other stuff on the forum, I'm not surprised that you can't figure how to win on roulette.

Few members here figured out my posts wrong - that Dublinbet is cheating..... that's a laugh. I can see uninformed people here. Dublinbet and similar casinos don't cheat like you think. They have 99,5% payback. Every month. Every year.... If it was the real odds, they'd be 2,7% in profit, or 97,3% payback. Sometimes 95%. Sometimes 101 % (1 % of a loss).  But they are not - never. That's not cheating, that's a secure business. But it's hard to explain to people that don't know that there is no mathematical way to win on roulette. Just the situational play, wheel bias,  bankroll handling and patient play. If you can't see that my system has all 4 mentioned built in.... can't blame you.

Like I said, you just keep playing your way, I'll do mine. Forget my system, it's a c-r-a-p, let's talk about something new and promissing - let's talk about martingale system applyed to colours.  :lol:

Forget my system, it's a c-r-a-p, let's talk about something new and promissing>>

Who said you had a bad system? Why the big over reaction? Its the truth that people who have winning systems never sell them, why would they.

Husky, take it easy buddy. Testing is a big long process, and it needs time. If you don't want to post anymore on the subject then don't, but i am very appreciated for what you post here, i think other people too. But it needs time to absorb this info. And testing also needs time. Time always is an issue. When i get to dublinbet i will let u know what i observed, 100%.

Meanwhile, what can i add useful and constructive to this topic. Just to say thanx, that's it.

Yes, it's a long time process? One year enough? 1 year of studying numbers, making the basics of patterrns, 2 months of this kind of play with all of them.... When I came to this forum, didn't come to test my play, didn't come to cheat on selective outcomes of play. I don't know how long you plan to live, but that's a great period of testing from my point of view. :o

Please explain what you mean by "patterns", and how exactly is wheel bias incorporated in your play?

Iggiv has a point btw, your test results are far from being significant enough that you start 'teaching' people for a fee.  My opinion.  :)

Quote from: Noble Savage on March 23, 2010, 12:31:25 PM
Please explain what you mean by "patterns", and how exactly is wheel bias incorporated in your play?

Iggiv has a point btw, your test results are far from being significant enough that you start 'teaching' people for a fee.  My opinion.  :)

We've agreed already that my results are not significant, but I don't know what do you expect me to do? Put pictures of play for 5 years on the forum? LOL.

I left an idea on this forum. idea of something new, a possibility, an advantage. Too much time spent here, I could study more spins on DB but I came here to speak to smarter people. Not found. Tried to sell to noobs. Not worth it.

If off to playing, in private. Still earning nicely. GL all.

Quote from: Noble Savage on March 23, 2010, 12:31:25 PM


Iggiv has a point btw, your test results are far from being significant enough that you start 'teaching' people for a fee.  My opinion.  :)

sorry, I have never said that. Another guy had. I expressed sincere interest in Husky's info. But I have not absorbed it yet, it needs time and testing.

By the way, let's leave this sensitive  subject out, let's better discuss roulette, whatever Husky said, he did not come to this forum just to sell anything, if he mentioned it between other things why just dwell on it?


Let's better dwell on a fact that his results are pretty encouraging to try playing his way. And this thread is very interesting. I wonder why people sometimes try to avoid main subject and dwell on little things like that.
If his advices  help people win real money why not donate to his blog. I can't see anything wrong about it.

but more important this is that his results are interesting and are worth trying.

When someone learns you how to trade stocks, he'll help you with everything. But he won't tell you exact time and which stock to buy or sell. He keeps it for himself, or sells the information. If he sells the info, and also has bought for himself - would you ask him, why did you sell it? Or you'd assume at first that he want's to earn more on that info, because he has limited finances, and the next time, his money, his profit + money from selling info = faster growth.

That's me. I wrote about how to play, I just keep the secret what and when to bet. I gave you directions, gave proof of my succesfull trading 2 times in a row. And people just come to say silly things.... just to write something. But they'll never be winners with that attitude. I got few pm's, I'm not answering questions behind the curtain. In public, facts, actual DB spins, I'm not interested in other casinos or spin simulators. DB table 1 only.

Thanks iggiv, few posts ago I said, and will say again - that I can't believe that in 21st century there's more talk about martingale and other ways of pure mathematical progression which never did, and never will do any good... then this system, or whatever called.

I got more feedback in last few days on my blog's mail, a blog that has 10-20 visits per day, then on world's forum for casinos, which never has less than 20 visitors at once. So I just can't be anything else but dissapointed.

Quote from: iggiv link=topic=15435. msg98494#msg98494 date=1269304531
Husky, take it easy buddy.  Testing is a big long process, and it needs time.

By that I thought you implied that his testing results were not enough, and I agreed.  Sorry if I misquoted you.  :)

@Husky:

Too much talk, not much substance.  Where is your method or whatever it is you're sharing? I'd like to have a look.

You keep on posting your results and screenshots, but you're not explaining what you're doing.  You mention "patterns" and wheel bias, I'm asking you to elaborate.

Ok, this is the code.

Data needed - top secret:

15 x 4 numbers = patterns
global trigger
trigger for a pattern

Log on db table 1. Wait for trigger.

On global trigger start play.
As triggers activate, play all.
If profit stop play.
If global trigger comes at the moment of entering the profit, do usual, stop all, start over.
With less patterns played ( when I'll increase my play per unit, I'll decrease number of patterns to 10 ) and good bankroll don't need a stoping trigger. Long term play achieves profit. Global trigger is used for fast profit and controlled start.

In play,

when a trigger for each pattern is hit, play pattern for 6 times. That's the time in which the repeat happens most. If it doesn't the wheel is not tending to play it. There are no limits, in theory, almost all of them can be played at once. If the pattern is hit again in 6 times, pattern goes to 2 units for 3 times then back again to 1 for 3 more, 6 total. if a hit in 3, go to 3 u, for 2 spins, 1 @ 2 and 3 @ 1. etc.

The goal was to find numbers that repeat, by itself or with few other numbers, more than others. I found them. in theory, all pack of numbers can repeat together sometimes. But I said at start of the topic, some things that happen are not a randomness, they are a rule.  

Hello party people. :)

Today is a moment of truth. My finances, selling of the system and the future depend on tiago's dublinbet number importer. It's on. 25.3.2010. at 11:00 am cet, that' 10:00 greenwich. As long as the connection is on, it will write numbers. I hope that it won't close. I've turned out system stanby, all aplications, even the video of the table.

But would help if someone else would do the same for backup. I'm going away from computer, but I hope to have at least a 24 hour continuous number database.

When I get it, I'll test my play, my system, my patterns in rex of those spins. I'm also on something, a change in play. I'll still wait for 6 spins when a pattern on, but if it hits again, I'll play it for 3 spins with +1 unit, but will not play spin 4, 5 and 6 with 1 unit. It's pointless, because the loss will be lower if no repeat, with a git, there is no greater profit, less units played globaly, and I'm more into the repeating thing then pure play.

22 spins has the program done at the moment, last what happened is 0-24-17 for those who's interested and could help, and I go out now. Wish me luck, more needed then in play. :)

Good news, stopped by @ home, 189 spins and counting.

Almost 500 and rolling. It's strarting to be a respectable database. 8 hours of play is around the player's concentration and time limit. I will enter the rex with pattern by pattern. That way I can remove those that don't promisse profit and I'd like to confirm my suspicions. I just hope that those that I think are really good will not be in loss and give me a reason to think about them.

The connection broke at 20:00 CET. That's 9 hours of play time. Enough for me. Thousands of spins proven before. This is the biggest by now. Biggest till now was 191 spins. This one is 577 spins!

Pattern one entered in Rex, took me for a while. I saw that there's a spin import option. I'll try it. If it doesn't for, half an hour per pattern.... I'll be over in 2-3 days.  :blink: I think I'd go crazy analazing few thousands of spins. One by one pattern.... Not better with them all though.

So, Here says 576 spins. Missed one obviously. Doesn't make any difference. It's 0 or 4 units less on all the bank, because I was very carefull when a hit. Could have missed an unimportant number while waiting for a hit. Largest period without a hit of this 4-number pattern is 38. Second 26 I think. Mostly 4 hits in a row. That's the highest up going line.

P.S. The largest sleep of 38 spins happened not long after the biggest hit of 5 numbers in series of no more than 3 spins between each. Accidental? I don't think so. Random or moderated? Answer is all yours.

Spin import in Rex done. When Tiago's software ends, you put numbers in notepad. Then just open with Rex at edit - import spins section.

Forgot to say basics. Starting bankroll is rex's default, 500 units. 1 unit = 1 chip = 1 € or $....


Pattern 2 done. It went up for a while at the start, then fell down to starting bankroll, and after 350-400 spins went up nicely.

The interesting thing is that the first sleeping for 30 spins of this 4-number pack is just after the first big peak high. Accidental? Doesn't seem so.

The biggest sleep of these 4 numbers is 40! And happened around spin 350, just before it went steep into profit. A random thing or moderated? Answer is all yours....

P.S. It didn't go down under starting bankroll significantly. But, if you joined the table at spin approx 60, you'd go down for 140 units. That's what happens inevitably, but I still remain at my first, this system and most of the patterns on the long run work great. If they didn't I wouldn't of spotted them through years of playing DB.

Such a small sample doesn't prove whether you have a tangible advantage or whether the results are just down to natural variance. If the wheel you are talking about is truly biased, it would be easy to ascertain with a chi-square test. I doubt it's biased to industry standard. Which begs the question...why do your patterns give you an advantage?

Quote from: Danger Man on March 25, 2010, 06:17:04 PM
Such a small sample doesn't prove whether you have a tangible advantage or whether the results are just down to natural variance. If the wheel you are talking about is truly biased, it would be easy to ascertain with a chi-square test. I doubt it's biased to industry standard. Which begs the question...why do your patterns give you an advantage?

Yes, yes. I'm listening for this all the time. You're just so boring that I'd rather watch the fresh painted wall as it dries, then read to this kind of statements.

I don't know how much you test your systems, maybe few life-times before you can say it's worth to play, for your grandsons. I lived through this one for 2 years, months of paper work, few months of play like this, pics made here on the topic of my play, 2 total sessions, in a row, both doubled, now this 577 spin test, bank doubled for these 2 4-number patterns....

I'm so confident in this, that I said in advance that I'll do this test, and post the results no matter what they will be, and I'm doing it right now.

If anybody else plans to say any more pesimistic or discrediting bullshit, rather skip this topic and go to martingale or similar "promissing system" section and enjoy yourself in pointless tests for years, and for milions of spins.

Quote from: Danger Man on March 25, 2010, 06:17:04 PM
Such a small sample doesn't prove whether you have a tangible advantage or whether the results are just down to natural variance. If the wheel you are talking about is truly biased, it would be easy to ascertain with a chi-square test. I doubt it's biased to industry standard. Which begs the question...why do your patterns give you an advantage?

And I'll bet you for 500 € that in 12 or 24-hour play of this system and my 10-15 patterns I'll be in profit!?!? We can go for more, 36 hours? 1024 hours? How much is enough for you. But the bet stakes the go up. And you have to sit with me at the table, so that I'll know how patient and thorough you are.

I hate when complexed people discourage me, so I finally go to pattern 3. Could be over by now....  :sorry:

Quote from: husky
Yes, yes. I'm listening for this all the time. You're just so boring that I'd rather watch the fresh painted wall as it dries, then read to this kind of statements.

I don't know how much you test your systems, maybe few life-times before you can say it's worth to play, for your grandsons. I lived through this one for 2 years, months of paper work, few months of play like this, pics made here on the topic of my play, 2 total sessions, in a row, both doubled, now this 577 spin test, bank doubled for these 2 4-number patterns....

I'm so confident in this, that I said in advance that I'll do this test, and post the results no matter what they will be, and I'm doing it right now.

If anybody else plans to say any more pesimistic or discrediting bullshit, rather skip this topic and go to martingale or similar "promissing system" section and enjoy yourself in pointless tests for years, and for milions of spins.

You don't really know a great deal do you? You're a typical seller. Ask a simple question that requires a simple answer and instead you get evasions and hostilities. What would you rather I did? Pat you on the back and give you a medal?

Yes, that's just it. Program this:

GOTO martingale

Point is, I can take all questions, discusions, help, feedback, experiences.... but I just can't stand philosophers like you, savage and cheese on this topic. I don't need stupid advices just the constructive ones. Starting of your statement: "Such a small sample" is looking so shallow that the rest of your post is not needed to read - because you didn't read this topic from the start. But I took a part of my time to read it, which you didn't.

If it was the point of selling, I'd have a selling page: nolinks.small-sample-system-that-brings-fortune.com (nolinks://nolinks.smallsamplesystemthatbringfortune.com), but I don't. I'm on a forum. Being friendly, writing for weeks freeeeee, and I have to listen to morons, instead a mathematicians, or people that play Dublinbet, or the people who understand that the roulette can't be won by statistics and maths, becaus it would be beaten a century ago, but with concentrating on one wheel, one casino, one little thing that can give us an advantage of play.

I have it. I also know I have it. My wallet knows I have it. But I just don't know why in the heaven's sake am I writing here at all. I once gave up because that low minded cheese guy, but came back. I'll do this test, and I think it's not small test, it's just the thing you all want everything served here, just to go to casino and win 4 life with a free complete all time winning system.

I spent too much time and money getting to it, and I'm not selling a system, just wanting to refund that in case that somebody else believes in it too, and to get a bank for decent play, with which I can progress faster. Those who don't believe that the spins on DB table 1 are not completely random:

GOTO martingale.

Pattern 3 done. It's a dissaster. Not for a bankroll, but that these 4 numbers had been under-thrown statisticaly. Significantly less hits than the numbers in pattern 1 and 2. Truth is, there's no overlap, so if something hits, something sleeps.

First big sleep of this pattern 25 times. Followed by the largest - 48 spins without all 4 of them. Again, not long after the lagrest up-going line.... A random thing or moderated? Hm.... Later happened 38 spin sleep, 35 sleep.... True is, that this is a small sample, so I believe that soon it would happen an up-going line. A good thing is - loss is 7 times smaller than the profit on each of 1 and 2 pattern.

Let's see the ending bankroll after the first loss:

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) = 680 units profit if we played only these 3 patterns for 577 spins. More than 1 unit per spin profit.

Pattern 4 was doing good with the numpber spun, the biggest sleep lasted for 29 spins, second for 28 spins. But these 4 numbers were everywhere, anywhere but together. This pattern was on my black list when I'd go from 15 to 10 or less patterns played, but this is an awful result. Not typical and this kind of throw doesn't give riight to say that it's not usual. It is. This is what the bankroll would look like when random numbers would be played. I expect more of the next one. Let's see.

Till now:

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) = 416 units profit.

Pattern 5, what to say, glad to have it. Very profitable one. But this much.... wow. Profit 3 times greater then pattern 4's loss.

Still no overlap with numbers in these 4-number packs, and the situation looks like this:

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) = 1120 units profit with these 5 played.

Pattern 6 got a great push up, but if not, it qould be around a starting bankroll or a little loss. But these kind of hits I'm on to. It isn't a suprise. I'm sure that a similar thing would of happen to the pattern 4. We didn't wait enough for it, but I'll never play and depend on 1 pack of numbers.

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) + 190 (6) = 1310 units profit with these 6 4-number patterns played.

As you can see, a miracle has to happen for me to have the overall bankroll in a loss on a random sewuence, like this random test with 577 numbers spun. And my point is - with any quantity of spins. It's just the matter of time. We will see the rest of them.... tomorrow. I can't look any more, awake from 07:00 till 00:30. Need this 6,5 h sleep. This can wait.

Quote from: husky
Yes, that's just it. Program this:

GOTO martingale

Point is, I can take all questions, discusions, help, feedback, experiences.... but I just can't stand philosophers like you, savage and cheese on this topic. I don't need stupid advices just the constructive ones. Starting of your statement: "Such a small sample" is looking so shallow that the rest of your post is not needed to read - because you didn't read this topic from the start. But I took a part of my time to read it, which you didn't.

If it was the point of selling, I'd have a selling page: nolinks.small-sample-system-that-brings-fortune.com (nolinks://nolinks.smallsamplesystemthatbringfortune.com), but I don't. I'm on a forum. Being friendly, writing for weeks freeeeee, and I have to listen to morons, instead a mathematicians, or people that play Dublinbet, or the people who understand that the roulette can't be won by statistics and maths, becaus it would be beaten a century ago, but with concentrating on one wheel, one casino, one little thing that can give us an advantage of play.

I have it. I also know I have it. My wallet knows I have it. But I just don't know why in the heaven's sake am I writing here at all. I once gave up because that low minded cheese guy, but came back. I'll do this test, and I think it's not small test, it's just the thing you all want everything served here, just to go to casino and win 4 life with a free complete all time winning system.

I spent too much time and money getting to it, and I'm not selling a system, just wanting to refund that in case that somebody else believes in it too, and to get a bank for decent play, with which I can progress faster. Those who don't believe that the spins on DB table 1 are not completely random:

GOTO martingale.

All I'm saying is a test of 500 spins isn't an adequate sample. How can you say the wheel is not random when you haven't got enough data and anything you've found so far might be within the realms of natural variance? I suggest you stop being so emotional and hypersensitive. Contrary to what most people believe, it isn't "naysayers" who cause problems around here it's the other side. Constructive advice to you is simply anything you'd like to hear.

Quote from: husky on March 25, 2010, 10:17:20 AM
Good news, stopped by @ home, 189 spins and counting.

Bad news.

- Danger Man is right about the sample size.

- Your explanation of your method (deliberately I suspect) makes no sense.

- There is nothing out of the realm of randomness in your DB data (including signs of wheel defect). Apparently you know nothing about wheel bias and this thread shouldn't be in this section (probably the system selling section instead?).

- You are basically talking to yourself since no one understands how you're playing.

Quote from: Danger Man on March 25, 2010, 09:42:47 PM
All I'm saying is a test of 500 spins isn't an adequate sample. How can you say the wheel is not random when you haven't got enough data and anything you've found so far might be within the realms of natural variance? I suggest you stop being so emotional and hypersensitive. Contrary to what most people believe, it isn't "naysayers" who cause problems around here it's the other side. Constructive advice to you is simply anything you'd like to hear.

Ok. No problem. Than be constructive and go collecting a sample. A 1000 spins? 10 000? 100 000? 1 000 000? I just wonder how you'll do it.... You obviuosly don't understand that it's quite hard to collect such an unstopping session on DB, even with Tiago's software. Go try it. Any amount you collect, without even 1 number missing, I'll bet you that my system will win.

Start collecting numbers or stop claiming that I'm not testing it enough. My hours spent in play are not here. But, the important thing that I'm not choosing a good period for my play and put it here, I did live play, without knowing the result in advance, and no loss.

Quote from: Noble Savage on March 25, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Bad news.

- Danger Man is right about the sample size.

- Your explanation of your method (deliberately I suspect) makes no sense.

- There is nothing out of the realm of randomness in your DB data (including signs of wheel defect). Apparently you know nothing about wheel bias and this thread shouldn't be in this section (probably the system selling section instead?).

- You are basically talking to yourself since no one understands how you're playing.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

14 patterns to go. I'll do at least half tonight.

I'm just sad that here in public I get only bad messages, and the good ones and questions go over the mail, or pm. It's a shame for the topic, and that's the reason I speak here with myself. I'll do the full test, pack my things and go. I should have done it before, when I first locked the topic....

Quote from: husky
Ok. No problem. Than be constructive and go collecting a sample. A 1000 spins? 10 000? 100 000? 1 000 000? I just wonder how you'll do it.... You obviuosly don't understand that it's quite hard to collect such an unstopping session on DB, even with Tiago's software. Go try it. Any amount you collect, without even 1 number missing, I'll bet you that my system will win.

Start collecting numbers or stop claiming that I'm not testing it enough. My hours spent in play are not here. But, the important thing that I'm not choosing a good period for my play and put it here, I did live play, without knowing the result in advance, and no loss.

Actually I do understand that it is difficult to record a large sample of numbers from a live wheel when the play is so slow, even using an automated tool. I should think you'd need several thousand numbers to make a preliminary analysis. A chi-square test is useful for detecting bias since the casino industry has a standard, which is in the region of 55. The whole problem with bias is the amount of labour you have to put into analysing the wheel in question and at the end of it you're more than likely to find out the wheel is not even defective, or at some point gets pulled and recalibrated. The issue I have is that you were talking of selling this technique without it being tested properly. If that is no longer the case then I'll no longer be your critic. Obviously I also think that publicly analysing a wheel from a popular online casino is a bad idea. But that is just my opinion.

If someone puts such a record, I'll test my patterns gladly. But I ask for it since this topic had opened, no such database, just my fellow Croatian pointed me to Tiago's software. I wasn't at the computer when a message came "The connection to the game server has been lost", if I did, I could just turn it back on. It happens at least 1 time a day at DB.  Probably has a reason.

That's why this system can't be tested on any amount of spins. The code is simple, can be easily programmed in rex, but there's no number database.

Pattern 7 is done. Not bad.

After 7 patterns:

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) + 190 (6) + 80 (7)= 1390 units profit in 577 spins.

Pattern 8 is the first pattern that has overlaps. Every of these 4 numbers in pattern 8 has been also in one of the previous pattens. A lot of hits. Not too much repeating. It's not on my favourites list by now, and these results are not bad, but confirm my doubts that it is not great too.

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) + 190 (6) + 80 (7) + 116 (8 )= 1506 units profit in 577 spins with these 8 patterns.

Pattern 9 is a born loser. Was on the black list. After this test, it doesn't go even in a testing anymore. Play - off.

I pressed the spin button too much, went a little over 577 spins, but they were without the stake per spin.

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) + 190 (6) + 80 (7) + 116 (8 ) - 376 (9) = 1130 units profit in 577 spins with these 9 patterns.

I can't say I'm surprised, because I'm shocked with the results of the pattern 10. It was on the black list when coming from 15 to 10 patterns played. I must pay more attention in next testing and playing to confirm this great repeating of this pattern.

Notice again, after the second peak, a great sleep following it. It's in the spirit of forced statistic equalization. Random or moderated again?

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) + 190 (6) + 80 (7) + 116 (8 ) - 376 (9) + 624 (10)  = 1754 units profit in 577 spins with these 10 patterns.

Now I'm going to sleep. I doubt that I'll be at home at all this weekend, so probably update to 20 patterns will not be over till monday, for sure. I have 2 days of work. 1,5 of pattern input, an a quick look for maybe another patterns.... though with these, I'm quite satisfied. It's hardly possible that all 20 get profit in a period such as this one, but the trend is obvious. On one bad pattern ending in loss, goes one in similar profit, and one with great profit. Not bad at all.

I'm not over yet with this test, but I'll try to leave tiago anytime I can. I'm turning it on now, if no connection loss, it will work for 9 hours again, when I'll come home and need the computer.

Wow. 08 - 16 hours CET, 453 spins written. Another great database. I have time to let it go to 500, and then end.

If this one gives similar results as the first, I'll play harder. This is what I needed for my own full confidence that I didn't have all this time. A more then 200 spin database. Hand writing max 190 (more then 3 hours of following spins), or less by play. In play, a few patterns always went steep up as on the graphs.... and when any of 15-20 did that, there was profit in bankroll and a stop of play had happened.

It's still left for me to finnish the current test, and to aalyze this one. One day next week I'll try to have a 24 hour database at all costs, and that will be it. By the next weeks end, I'm ready to move this thing from hobby to real deal.

Pattern 11 done. This is my main pattern. First one ever discovered. It has 2 unique numbers, and 2 that overlap with 1 other pattern each. I've been earning on it a lot, even before the pattern play. It can bring money, a lot money, but just can't lose. It's my global trigger. It is biggest mistery, when these numbers fall, something else repeats too. They were very often in this case, didn't sleep much. A lot of lonely numbers, that's why it's not in severe profit.

If I'd have to securely do my wager, I'd choose this pattern, with higher stakes. All other can do this or that, but this one is if not for getting rich, then to wager account safely.

Total:

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) + 190 (6) + 80 (7) + 116 (8 ) - 376 (9) + 624 (10) - 12 (11)  = 1742 units profit in 577 spins with these 11 patterns.

Pattern 12 is done. Ended exactly as started, 500 units.  :lol:

The interesting thing about this one is that's been found with reverse logic. I haven't found it for it's repeatings, and didn't have too much of it now..... I found it long time ago, because of it's long sleeps. With the monitored statistic on the wheel, came to the conclusion that if it sleeps long, when it hits, it hits. And that's true. A lot of hits, not much dispersed, but not put together.

This one is one of the patterns that could easily be misplaced, but not a loser. In the interests of the bankroll, it's better not to play, then to play a pattern more. Because if you happen to enter the table between 400. and 550. spin in this test, you'd go down almost 300 units. Not a joke. It can and would get back, but as the situation with the pattern 9 and it's long going down line, better to avoid it. If it doesn't good in the next 500 spin test, it's off.

Going out now. Shutting down the spin collection at approx 500.

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) + 190 (6) + 80 (7) + 116 (8 ) - 376 (9) + 624 (10) - 12 (11) + 0 (12)  = 1742 units profit in 577 spins with these 12 patterns.

Testing done with 577 spins. I had 3 patterns left, they're done, and then a conclusion.

Pattern 13. One Big peak, everything else bad. Bad is one thing that is not for public about this pattern, and the pattern 14, I'll keep for myself what it is, but I won't keep this patterns, so it even doesn't matter.

Pattern 14 very bad. Great test. I'm on to something, but this big test did show me someinteresting facts that I couldn't see while playing allof them together.

As with pattern #11, pattern 15 is one of my favourites, so I was worryed - what if it goes bad with this session. But it too showed that it's good. Profit or a loss, it can both happen for any pattern, but the best ones are always good and that's a fact.

A lot of money earned with these 4 numbers repeating together, I'll stick to this one till the end.  :)

And now the conclusion. How to see a pattern - when a pack (I pick 4 numbers for each) of numbers often come together, not randomly obviously, coming one after another.... and then sleep together. That is the point of it all.

When a hit - play it - it will come again.

When there's no hit for xx spins, stop playing and wait. It will sleep. When it comes again, it will return the loss and go to profit. This is why, when you look the graphs, the best thing to see, and the thing that it's all about - are those steep upgoing lines. That means there was a multi-hit. 1 hit is a trigger. 2 hits are the lowest upgoing lines. That's 36 unit up. 3 hits in 3 spins, those are approx 70 unit upgoing lines. Fourth hit, 3 units on all 4 numbers, +100 approx, rare and hard to find. Only the best go to 5. hit. That's 4 units per number in the pattern, +130 approx. To get a 6. is a miracle, and about that I've talked before in this topic. It just can't happen. Due to statistics, due to a loss that a casino would have. After a number or a type of numbrers in some logic way repeat 3-4 times, almost everybody play it. Big loss for the casino it would be to hit more.

So, the interesting thing, that before or after a great repeat, there is a quite long sleep. It's hard to use it for profit, you never know when it will come, but it is a excelent moment to stop play. Globaly or for that pattern. After a 4-5 times hit, switch it off. Stay in that profit!

That's the way I've been playing till now. Find good repeaters, patterns, play'em all. Some will lose, some will win.... If there's little profit, take it. If you are in any amount of loss, just wait till that steep upgoing line, when it happens in any pattern, you come back from a loss, take the profit, or stop in a acceptable few-unit loss. Rather then keep playing and wait for another. That's only for continuos play or a try to get high profit fast. But if you are in small profit, or an acceptable loss and continue to play, there's a big chance that there will be no repeat in any pattern for 10-20 spins, and you're back in loss again, waiting for a repeat.

I will not play patterns: 12, 13 and 14 for sure.

Patterns 9 & 10 will be in one more test, with 500 spins I have collected few days ago.

Pattern 4 was very bad, it will be monitored. Surprisingly bad result, but none is untouchable.

356 (1) + 376 (2) - 52 (3) - 264 (4) + 704 (5) + 190 (6) + 80 (7) + 116 (8 ) - 376 (9) + 624 (10) - 12 (11) + 0 (12) - 68 (13) - 262 (14) + 64 (15)  = 1476 units profit in 577 spins with these 15 patterns.

This means, that if I was playing 1 € per number, that's 4 € per pattern, I'd earn 1500 € in this 9 hours of play.

I'm going to put here the worst possible scenario, the lowest peaks of all patterns together:

1: 488 = -12
2: 444 = -56
3: 372 = -128
4: 236 = -264
5: 460 = -40
6: 336 = -164
7: 368 = -132
8: 436 = -64
9: 120 = -380
10: 312 = -188
11: 392 = -108
12: 476 = -24
13: 328 = -172
14: 238 = -272
15: 400 = -100

SUM: 2004 units

So, if all the 15 patterns were at their lowest bankroll situation at the same moment, we'd need 2000 units to play for 9 hours and win 1500 units. But, it's just not possible for all of them to be in a loss. Some of them must be in profit after a period of time. Because something must fall. Something must repeat now or then.

What I didn't mention all this time, on Dublinbet, for a 2000 € deposit, there's a 15% bonus added to this amount. So for the optimal situation, We deposit 1500 units for playing. We receive 1500 * 15% bonus, which is 225 units. That's a starting bankroll of 1725 units that has to be enough. In a work-day time, 9 hours, you are 1500 units in profit. That's about what I showed with my own play, 600-700 units deposited, bonus received, and both accounts doubled during the wagering, that's 9 x (deposit + bonus) amount. With the deposit of 1500 €, and the 225 bonus, we need to wager 15 525 €. Not much.

This is the data for the pattern 11, my personal best, and resulted with -12 units.

Session      Bankroll   
Process Time:   00:15:14:625   High:   664
Total Spins:   577   Current:   488
Spins/Hour:   60   Low:   392
Simulation Time:   9 hrs,37 mins   Average:   487,1
         
Units Placed      Layouts Placed   
Total:   1.236   Total:   928
Won:   1.224   Won:   24
Lost:   1.236   Lost:   904
Net Win:   -12   Net Win:   -880
Net %:   -0,97   Net %:   -94,83
High:   16   High:   4
Current:   0   Current:   0
Low:   0   Low:   0
Average:   2,1   Average:   2
         
Unit Drawdown         
Maximum:   272      
Current:   176      

So, 1236 units played. Times 10 pattern = 12 360 units for 9 hours, and we need 15 525 to wager. That's more then two thirds.

Total profit with the bonus would go to 1750 €. Great stuff.

But, the important thing is, I'm coming down from 15 to 12 or maybe even 10 patterns in play. So, the starting bankroll can be smaller, lowest point will not go down that low, and approx 50% wager will be done in this kind of session.

Now, I'm on to the second test that will show me where am I for real with the 12 patterns played. First I'll take a quick look how would I go with these 3 patterns I've quit, 12&13&14.... and then go to testing. Two more days of testing, and if they're good, the 3rd day I'm in play for big.

Any more sceptics about this system?

I worry myself about how confident I am that I'll be in profit again with this next 500 spin test.... Freaky feeling. Looking forward to play for money again, this week I'm on to it.... By the end of the Easter time, I could make some good money, but I whatever happens, I must make a continuous 24 hour spin database and test it. There ain't no f.... thing that won't happen in 24 hours. Repeats, silly spins, big sleeps of any pattern, any number non-showing or showing.... and that will be the ultimate test that will not be published here. That will be the ultimate tutorial for my way of playing, saved and fully explained in RouletteExtreme software. :)

Test 2, 500 spins. Not so good profit, but profit:

Pattern profit/loss
1   -352   
2      +108
3      +100
4      +492
5      +44
6   -228   
7      +204
8      +108
10      +4
11   -216   
15   -64   

SUM +200

Pattern 4, which was in the bad loss last time, had the best profit. Done the re-test of the losing ones, lost again.

Pattern 1 and 11 surprisingly in loss, but they have 1 number overlap, and had it's ups, pattern 1 two very good hits, and then a loss. Pattern 6 and 11 were losing, and recovered a bit, both after the spin 300 which is very interesting, because they have no overlap.

With this profit, we have to include the profit from the depositing bonus.

I've been testing a few two-number patterns lately. Today, I've tested 2 of them with the system I've developed for 2 numbers in pattern. In both sessions, 577 and 500, both had profit, every time. It's pointless to spend too much time to discover more of them that come together, when I can use two by two. Less risk also.

A day rest, I've left today Tiago's system, but during testing I corrupted the number writing at 200 spins.... then started writing manualy.... then missed few spins and erased it all. No use of it. 24 session needs more time-planning and no use of the computer for 24 hours, but be by it, so if connection breaks, to turn it back on through 10 spins, or everything is lost. I'll need a 07 - 07 test wthout sleeping.  ;D

And the other 5.

That's eleven totaly. I think I'll go back again to 15, but with 4 2-numbered patterns. 2 tested completely. One is being tested now, after all this, and 1 has to be picked from few suspects.

Great job!  :good:
i will live it run at DB table 1 and let you know. I had many live continius spins from DB but i did it with all tables.

Too much problems with the 24-hour collecting. All I got is two 200-spin data. I'm going to analyze both of them now, with the real stuff, all of the patterns together, for both 200 spins.

That's the last thing here on forum. Who doesn't think it's promissing.... I can't and don't want to convince anyone. Last days I did the slow and easy tests, just for my own game improvement. All data is here and on my blog. Anyone wishing to improve his game and profits, there's pm. No constructive talk here.

I don't think there will be problems, so today I'll start playing again for real again, with 11 patterns, and test the 2-number system & patterns with these 577, 500 and 2 200 sessions.

You pattern method is not going to work.

1. For starters, Dublin bet is too random to exploit any bias.  Look for another wheel.

2. The patterns you are using are bacially meaningless.  The spin samples to which you are curve fitting each pattern are far too small.  All you are really finding are disconnected links.

Neat idea, but it's not really going to work out.

I disagree. I haven't seen a loss with this system. It's only matter of time it get's to profit. I'm almost done with the first test with 200 recorded spin. Again, a profit is achieved, bank went from 500 u to 1200 in 60 spins.  :yahoo:

If I'd only end the play with the starting bankroll, every session, I'd still be in the 15% profit from the deposit bonus, which is a great profit for itself, on the long term, without a loss.

I'll bet anyone, in any amount of money, that this system will win on a DB table 1 wheel. Any time. Always. In 5, 50, or 500 spins, but it will not lose. That's why I need the benkroll of 1500 which is going online to DB right now, and I do not start if I'm limited by time.

QuoteI disagree. I haven't seen a loss with this system. It's only matter of time it get's to profit. I'm almost done with the first test with 200 recorded spin.

Only 200 spins? So?

The problem is, you're still not in any position to draw conclusions about your system since you haven't even tested the wheel in question for bias, and I'm quite sure that if you did a chi-square test the results would be normal. Therefore your theoretical profits are, at the moment, basically due to natural variance.

Quote from: Herb6 on March 31, 2010, 02:00:08 PM
Only 200 spins? So?

OMG. Doesn't anyone read the whole topic before showing off here with the theoretical knowledge even without any testing by himself?

I'm playing DB table one from 30/07/2007. I'm not from yesterday. I'm not a theoretic like every smartass that comes here and discredits these tests and my play.

I could test this here for years and after that time still be with 10-15% yield, and double every deposit in 2 days.... and still some c**k-sucker would come here and say: Only 40 000 spins? You're an idiot, this system is a loser, you need 1 000 000 spins!

If I'm so wrong, go play contraire and win millions or get lost from this topic.

And please, say a starting time for DB spins, we'll watch it live and I'll play.... I'll bet you that my system will win. I'll give you 1:10 odds for your bet. Please, show me I'm wrong, punish me....  :lol:

Here are the results of the third test, with 242 spins, 11 patterns played at the time. Great start, then stayed in profit. I'd say it couldn't go far, not under the starting bank, before another high jump to profit.

One more to be done, and then I'm onto playing, no more writing here. Too much negative people. I'll say it again, go to martingale topics, and get yourself rich, don't spilt on people that work.

Few data is interesting. Average of 25 units staked per spin, average of 16 numbers played. Maximum drawdown 580 units. Not as close as my >1500 bankroll. Highest up is 424 which can be seen at the graph. And generaly, went from 430 to 1240 in 47 spins. So the profit kicked loss'es ass out. Like usual.  :yahoo:

P.S. I'd hardly play more after that +700. Maybe risked to 1000 lowest, but even less profit after a loss is good. Though, it's not recommended to quit a winning strike. Like in the game, wait for 6 to hit, if hit, risk more 3 times for another hit. Bankroll needs a good manager. It's not all about the maths, it's just like stock trading. Don't sell at the obvious moment, try for more. I'm done with triggers, I'll start playing after approx 10 numbers that would give me a loss if played. A long down-line is impossible. This system has shorter losing periods even compairing to 50:50 chances play. Look at the graph, you just can't see a down going line longer then 10-13 spins. Even a higher peak comes in 20-30 spins. All that player has to do is: say thank you, and take the profit when it comes. If there's no profit shortly, don't worry, a steep up line is soon to come.

Question:  Are you using an up as you lose progression?

Up?

In other words, are you increasing your bets as you lose, or are you increasing your bets only when you win?

Only after win.

Increasing after a loss would give us totaly different graph, it would go slowly up, with steep down-going lines. 4 numbers can, by my humble research, sleep for 50-80 spins. More then 80I do not recall, and 50+ is just the matter of time, because I think that every time you pick 80 numbers spun, there will be 4 or more numbers that haven't hit. Any time your combination can bein it. So how can you increase that much? I lose the same amout if my numbers sleep 7 or 77 or 777 spins. My bankroll is safer that way and that's one of the facts why I can't lose big.

11-pattern play doing great, no loss, just profit at DB.  :thumbsup:

I've opened an account at the Smart live casino, my first out-of-DB account for live play. Doing tests by writing down numbers spun, much easier, because the have the last 185 number database. One look at it in 3 hours, and you can have'em all written and do the testing.

Started playing also for real, it's great that DB and SLC work together, and SLC behaves great according to my patterns, a profit achieved so far, no downs, just up today. I'll see how it works at the long term, very long, because I've taken the 150% deposit bonus. Deposited 333 €, got 500 bonus, so 833 ready to play. I need to wager 33 300 €. It shouldn't be a problem, it's a great advantage for me, not much in, but a great side bettinng while plying DB.

Still no loss, just profit.  :yahoo:

With 20 patterns, I doubled every deposit with 15% bonus and 9x(bonus+deposit) wager requirement. Now, with 11 patterns, I double it between 30 and 50% of the wager requirement, triple or more at the end of the session. 2-4 days, depending of my time for play.

It's just funny how it's impossible to prove that you have a winning system, as hard as developing it.

I'll open a blog with tutorials and other dublinbet materials.

Brilliant

i am soo lucking forwrad to ure method of play ....


DB and SLC are my favourity casinos anyways.


And i like the kinda pattern/wheel bias systems anyways ..... SO THIS IS GONNA BE ONE FOR ME :)


Mike

So where you going with this Husky? Are you gonna tell us the numbers, and exactly how you play,  or wait till someone buys it off you?

3000 € minimum, bought already or not.

I'm earning big this month, like never before.... till now, only in april, it's 21.4., I've earned my 3 months salary. No loss at all. Playing my old system too on Smart Live Casino, deposited 333, got 500 bonus.... I have 14 000 wagered (40%), and 1400 bankroll with 0,25 chips played. That's 56 000 chips played, 3240 earned by playing my old system since 10.4. (fell to 590 from 832 by playing this db bias method), 4270 chips total profit since deposit (5.4.).

Dublinbet's last deposit 301, 45 bonus, and a 700 € bankroll, 0,5 € chips played, 50 % wagered. Excelent scores. Still without even one session in loss, since few days I've started this topic. Had one due to play of 20 patterns with a bankroll of 600 chips. Now with 11, it's awesome.

SLC, after 10 days of active play and analyzing doesn't have results similar to DB. This BIAS system for DB doesn't work that good there. But, SLC has much obvious number selection seen on the wheel. The ball enters a number slowly, and gets catapulted with sudden speed, and slowed back abnormaly in some other number. It enters a number going forward, and gets driven in back direction to a 1st or 2nd neighbour.... It's good to just watch if anybody else believes that any roulette wheel is absolutely random. It is "random" for the selection which player will win, but it's not random globaly, because in that case gambling wouldn't be a secure business, it hits number that on the long run results 99% payback on that wheel.

Till now I can't get any sure pattern at SLC. It will take me few months to get a clue. But I get them good even now on longer run. It's pure statistic. General trends looking through 50-100 spins are not much different from DB, but these short term repeats I cannot forecast so far. It's positiveness is that when you join the wheel, you have a 185 last spun number database. Good to start right away.

I'm on chat every evening on SLC when I play, even writing what I play. Few people started to follow me. Gave them direct help earning. I haven't loss a one single session written there, and I've wrote tens of'em. I have whitnesses there to prove my skill.

We're not talking here of some statistic crap, this is real. People that pay will get a video link of my live play at db or SLC or both, tests, data, excel table, I show how I play for 30 day, 1-3 hours a day, live play. My and your problem is that I can never prove enough that I win and win. I can asure anyone that he will win back 3000 € playing 1 € bets in 30 days of playing with me.

Cheese was right, why to sell something that works. I haven't asked less. I could maybe get 3000 € by selling 100 times per 30 €, which many of you would give away for a try, but that is what all other 99% sellers can do. 3000 = partnership. 30 € = take the money and run.

Hello Husky, I play on SLC most nights on the autowheel (sherman) maybe catch you there sometime. :thumbsup:

Me too. It is the one I've been talking about. Link is - SLC - live roulette - lowest.

Update. Wagering done. Deposit 301, bonus 45, 983 withdrawal. That's 682 profit in 6 days total. That's 300% of the starting bank. As usual.  :yahoo:

That's 20,36% yield gained through 6257 units played (3,128.5 euros with 0,5 € per unit).

I just wonder how many sessions like this pesimists need.... to be proven that this system is a sure winner, and not talking about steps, not talking about depositing 300 something and withdrawing 310, pure ownage.

And i just wonder why do I keep writing here.... if buffalowizard hasn't wrote something, I wouldn't of come here. No point.

GL all.

Well done mate,

you are not wasting your time here. The results you are getting will encourage people to keep looking for themself.
It is possible to take an average of 15-20% from these places session to session.
The trick is to control the losses as that is what ultimately will decide if you are a pro or not.

I know, I've been fighting with myself for 2 years. Last year I did some psycho practice, trainings, tests and giving my self control mathematical evidences when to stop. The results are fascinating.

For example, in these approx 6000 units played, not less than 5990 units were strictly by the rules. No side bets, no "I think" bets, nothing can distract me. I learned when to stop, when to start. It's hard to teach someone these things, maybe even impossible.

At 22.4., still a week in this month, I'm close to 5 my monthly paychecks. I don't tell anyone around me that, but I do on the net. Pretty apsurd, but as nobody understood my learning, losing and experimenting, nobody has to know where my extra money comes from and how much. It's also hard too, to hide. I learned, played and got different ideas and statistics on the net, so I think it's my duty to give something back. By closely reading this topic, I gave the whole algorythm for my system, I send by email guys from the SLC the algorythm with which I earn there last days, and even write every session that I play in chat....

Algorythms are free, not hard to develop or learn how to play. A day time. But the number picking took me months and months to analyze. I just can't and wont give it. The numbes for Dublinbet are proven good. Definitely. And expensive due to it's uniqueness. If a lot of people would play it, it wouldn't be good for anyone.

The number picking for the SLC is more open. It's hard to learn.I could write a book with it. That is still in research, but earning 4000 chips in 10 days is worth of something.

Staying disciplined is one of the main criteria as you rightly know.

I follow another sport and pay for information because I have not studied the game well enough to make my own selections pay. Over the last 2 years, I am in profit +400 points.

In those 2 years, there was a period for 6 months where I did not have a winning month. Many people would have given up or started to chase losses. Not to mention starting to second guess the information and have doubts regarding the MM aspect of it all.

It all came good eventually and now we are in one of those sticky patches again. The trend line though will continue to rise over the long haul. It has to.

I suppose one of the points I am making and something that you mentioned is that you can not teach people certain things. You can tell someone everything you know and there is still a lot left for them to do which will ultimately decide how they cope. I can sense your frustration. I don't think it is a reflection on you. I think people know themself and their capabilities very well. Lack of interest comes from peoples fears. Actually having to make something work and put in all the effort even after being given something of value is too much for some people.

Here's a free system for the SLC. Still, the number picking data is a classified info. Be carefull playing it. No loss at all playing it this year.

It doesn't have any similarities with this topic's DB system, except that it's winning mad.  :biggrin:

Basic idea:

- pick 3 numbers
- add 2 if loss till 14
- increase all + 1 if loss
- decrease if won all by -1 and the hit number
- decrease favorites -2 if it was a favorite hit

Picking numbers is a very big and compicated chapter. I don't have it

on paper, I have it in years experience, math studying, statisticaly

based decisions, controlled rendomness of the wheel etc. Not a free

knowledge.

•••• Playing forward ••••

We pick 3 numbers, 1 unit each and 1 unit is always a start for any

number any time.

If loss, add 2 numbers, and +1 unit on those 3.

If loss, add 2 numbers, and +1 unit on those 5.

If loss, add 2 numbers, and +1 unit on those 7.

If loss, add 2 numbers, and +1 unit on those 9.

If loss, add 2 numbers, and +1 unit on those 11.

If loss, add 1 number, and +1 unit on those 13.

= 14 max (optimum for the system, maths and statistics, also a most

numbers played for the wagering)

If loss, add all +1 till a hit.

•••• Playing the middle. ••••

If a hit at any of the steps, and the result is not overall profit, we

remove the hit number, and decrease all other bets by -1.

If a hit on favorite (number with maximum amount staked, we have 3

or more of them) at any of the steps, and the result is not overall

profit, we remove the hit number, decrease all other favorites by -2

and decrease all other numbers by -1.

When we have the system rolling, if a hit (most played numbers -1)

happens without overall profit, add only 1 new number next lost spin.

When we have the system rolling, if two hits (most played numbers -2)

happen without overall profit, add 2 new numers next lost spin.

For 3 or more hits in a row without the overall profit (hard to happen),

add new numbers by your own conclusion depending of the bankroll,

stake per spin and number of the numbers played. Include in the

decision to add less or don't add if you are not sure what you want,

add more if you have a clue of next spins.

When a longer period of play happens, there will be differences

between stakes per number, don't correct them, every number is

unique by stake, except the favorites, they go down together. Never

play less then 3 numbers as favorites. Never continue to increase stake

on any number, it goes down after any hit. Letting the stake on 1 or

more numbers go up continuously increases the risk for the bankroll,

and gives the luck a chance to affect the overall result of the whole

system.

*Note, if there is a decrease situation, and a lot of numbers and units

are to be removed, maybe you won't have time to remove all, don't

panic, first remove the one thrown, then decrease by some order, from

lowest to hughest number. If you have few seconds left, stop

decreasing, and just remember what numbers you haven't decreased

for that unit or two. Those few units won't affect much the bankroll,

and on the next spin, if it was a hit, remove 2 units, if it was a loss,

you just don't have to increase them.

•••• Ending session ••••

Any time, any amount of profit - stop at the overall profit. Worst thing

is to play high stake and a lot of numbers if you have had a hit and

profit. Chances to hit again are decreased too. Restart the system and

continue to hit again with the basic system and low stake.

If we suffer a great bankroll loss by playing a session, and get back

from that serious loss by hitting favorites, or multiple hits at any

amount of stake per number, and we get close to starting bankrol, end

session. Again, worst thing is to play high stake and a lot of numbers if

you have had a hit. Take a loss of less then 10% of the peak lowest as

a good result.

For example. You start with 3000 units. You play and lose

continuously, or with ups and downs. After any amount of played spins

the bankroll is down to 1000 units (-2000). You have a favorite hit, a

few lower stake hits. You're up to 2820 units. That's -180. Peak low

was 2000, so 10% = 200. You're 180 down. Had hit few great

numbers. The next overall stake is still big. Still a lot of numbers. If you

miss 3-4-5 spins again, you're down below 2000 again in a second....

Stop play.

Other possible option that minimalises the risk of fast loss is to

decrease all numbers to small stake, to 1, 2 or maybe 3 units per

number and continue to play. Stakes per number can reach up to 20

units per number, so decreasing to 1-2-3 when recovered from a great

loss is still not a best move, but it feeds our wish to go for those

numbers that we picked. Yet again, a better option is to stop at that

small loss. Because, we always think that when we are lower then the

bankroll at the start of the last session, we are in a loss and should

play furher. That's addicted thinking built in our head. That 180 units at

the example can and will be earned in few next succesfully played

sessions.

•••• Professional play ••••

I have suffered great ups and downs through my roulette history. My

bankroll was never predictable. Most of my mistakes came from my

head, not the systems I played, with my experience, so I can say few

skills that affected my winnings and gave me security in play.

- never start play if you can get interrupted
- never do something that needs more concentration then playing

roulette (doing pushups between spins is ok, but writing a relevant

things in word or cooking lunch is not ok)
- always play the system, don't put a chip for fun or "I think" bets
- don't be afraid to increase bets if a loss
- don't be foolish not to decrease if a win
- it's better to restart the system with low stake and 3 numbers then

have a lot of them with a high stake, and risk small bet return

percentage or a multiple losses with a high stake
- exclude emotions during play
- take a rest if you need it, or if you can't think what numbers to place

next
- have a decent bankroll, 2000-3000, don't have less, maybe the next

spin will be a favorite, don't play more, in case of a bankroll loss, it

can't be returned in a reasonable amount of time

At the end, the calculation for basic play:

numbers played / total stake per number / total stake per spin / overall

stake / favorite's win if a hit
3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 36
5 / 6+2 / 8 / 11 / 72
7 / 9+4+2 / 15 / 26 / 108
9 / 12+6+4+2 / 24 / 50 / 144
11 / 15+8+6+4+2 / 35 / 85 / 180
13 / 18+10+8+6+4+2 / 48 / 133 / 216
14 / 21+12+10+8+6+4+1 / 62 / 195 / 252
no increase / all numbers +1 / +14 units per spin

Actually having to make something work and put in all the effort even after being given something of value is too much for some people.>>

Thats because most people think gambling is easy if you have  the right system or method. The truth is, its never easy. Its always a lot of work, even winning is work. And the casinos have made it even harder, with all the noise and constant distractions. If most people knew how hard it is and how long it takes to get anywhere, they would never begin.

An excellent one:

"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." --Niels Bohr

I did. All of them, till 1.4.2010.

I've earned 4 of my monthly incomes this month, starting with bankroll equal to lees than one. Withdrew money. Now few days of rest, investing the withdrawed money, and I'll start again with not more then approx 20-25% of the amount I have now, not to get taken with the result, but I hope downs are behind me.

Husky - seems very good your system, congratulations for your winnings !  For me though, when I win big at Dublinbet I do it using my intuition.

I've had few days with more than 1.000 Euros won in 1-2 hours (2 days with around 2.500 Euros won in 1-2 hours based on DS and intuition). Of course, I've had also days with lost of hundreds euros, even above 1.000 - but this mainly due to my rush and high emotions...If I'd have respected strictly some of my rules the loss would have been smaller...

I'm saying this only to state that intuition (precognition) works miracles more than any system - and mr. Steve Hourmouzis knows better, I've seen on his forum...

Good luck everyone !

Lex

I agree, but you can't base strategy on guessing. Though, it's almost impossible to predict the outcome number by number, but it's not hard to predict trends. It makes difference on short term, but on the long run, many thing decide.Among them, as you said, very important - self control.... system, bankroll, flat or progressive betting etc. It can be done.

wow husky, what a surprise. We had a chat in SLC last week I think and you explained the above system but I was unable to grasp it before you left. What a nice surprise to see it here, thanks. I suppose that without the number picking this system cannot work ?

I have an idea of my own for the number picking and I will try to combine it with the betting way you describe.

Hi, glad you found it.

Yes, number picking is important, but the system itself survived the wagering requirement, which was enormous - 33 300 €, played wit 0,25 chips.... thats more than 130 000 units. Though, 10% was with the first unsuccesfull start. So it' 120 000 approx. With the starting bankroll of 2500 units. Had been good in the past too.

Numbers are hard to pick, many factors, but the trend is easy to predict. With 14 numbers played, most misses in a row was around 8. Much less than for ex playing colors. You can miss 8 or more easily, though it has 18 numbers. Numbers picked must not be focused on only one logical connection (neghbours, odd, black, tier, cold....). Practice will give you confidence and results. 

System version 1.1: The soft edition

Basic idea:

- pick 3 numbers
- add 2 if loss till 14
- increase all + 1 if loss
- decrease if won all by -1 and the hit number
- decrease favorites -2 if it was a favorite hit

Picking numbers is a very big and compicated chapter. I don't have it

on paper, I have it in years experience, math studying, statisticaly

based decisions, controlled rendomness of the wheel etc. Not a free

knowledge.

•••• Playing forward ••••

We pick 3 numbers, 1 unit each and 1 unit is always a start for any

number any time.

If loss, add 2 numbers.

If loss, add 2 numbers.

If loss, add 2 numbers.

If loss, add 2 numbers.

If loss, add 2 numbers, and +1 unit on those 11. Why? First, we have a profit if a hit any time till now. Second, we can't play all 14 as favorites. Eleven is much but not all of them.

If loss, add 1 number, and +1 unit on those 13.

= 14 max (optimum for the system, maths and statistics, also a most

numbers played for the wagering)

If loss, add all +1 till a hit.

•••• Playing the middle. ••••

If a hit at any of the steps, and the result is not overall profit, we

remove the hit number, and decrease all other bets by -1.

If a hit on favorite (number with maximum amount staked, we have 3

or more of them) at any of the steps, and the result is not overall

profit, we remove the hit number, decrease all other favorites by -2

and decrease all other numbers by -1.

When we have the system rolling, if a hit (most played numbers -1)

happens without overall profit, add only 1 new number next lost spin.

When we have the system rolling, if two hits (most played numbers -2)

happen without overall profit, add 2 new numers next lost spin.

For 3 or more hits in a row without the overall profit (hard to happen),

add new numbers by your own conclusion depending of the bankroll,

stake per spin and number of the numbers played. Include in the

decision to add less or don't add if you are not sure what you want,

add more if you have a clue of next spins.

When a longer period of play happens, there will be differences

between stakes per number, don't correct them, every number is

unique by stake, except the favorites, they go down together. Never

play less then 3 numbers as favorites. Never continue to increase stake

on any number, it goes down after any hit. Letting the stake on 1 or

more numbers go up continuously increases the risk for the bankroll,

and gives the luck a chance to affect the overall result of the whole

system.

*Note, if there is a decrease situation, and a lot of numbers and units

are to be removed, maybe you won't have time to remove all, don't

panic, first remove the one thrown, then decrease by some order, from

lowest to hughest number. If you have few seconds left, stop

decreasing, and just remember what numbers you haven't decreased

for that unit or two. Those few units won't affect much the bankroll,

and on the next spin, if it was a hit, remove 2 units, if it was a loss,

you just don't have to increase them.

•••• Ending session ••••

Any time, any amount of profit - stop at the overall profit. Worst thing

is to play high stake and a lot of numbers if you have had a hit and

profit. Chances to hit again are decreased too. Restart the system and

continue to hit again with the basic system and low stake.

If we suffer a great bankroll loss by playing a session, and get back

from that serious loss by hitting favorites, or multiple hits at any

amount of stake per number, and we get close to starting bankrol, end

session. Again, worst thing is to play high stake and a lot of numbers if

you have had a hit. Take a loss of less then 10% of the peak lowest as

a good result.

For example. You start with 3000 units. You play and lose

continuously, or with ups and downs. After any amount of played spins

the bankroll is down to 1000 units (-2000). You have a favorite hit, a

few lower stake hits. You're up to 2820 units. That's -180. Peak low

was 2000, so 10% = 200. You're 180 down. Had hit few great

numbers. The next overall stake is still big. Still a lot of numbers. If you

miss 3-4-5 spins again, you're down below 2000 again in a second....

Stop play.

Other possible option that minimalises the risk of fast loss is to

decrease all numbers to small stake, to 1, 2 or maybe 3 units per

number and continue to play. Stakes per number can reach up to 20

units per number, so decreasing to 1-2-3 when recovered from a great

loss is still not a best move, but it feeds our wish to go for those

numbers that we picked. Yet again, a better option is to stop at that

small loss. Because, we always think that when we are lower then the

bankroll at the start of the last session, we are in a loss and should

play furher. That's addicted thinking built in our head. That 180 units at

the example can and will be earned in few next succesfully played

sessions.

•••• Professional play ••••

I have suffered great ups and downs through my roulette history. My

bankroll was never predictable. Most of my mistakes came from my

head, not the systems I played, with my experience, so I can say few

skills that affected my winnings and gave me security in play.

- never start play if you can get interrupted
- never do something that needs more concentration then playing

roulette (doing pushups between spins is ok, but writing a relevant

things in word or cooking lunch is not ok)
- always play the system, don't put a chip for fun or "I think" bets
- don't be afraid to increase bets if a loss
- don't be foolish not to decrease if a win
- it's better to restart the system with low stake and 3 numbers then

have a lot of them with a high stake, and risk small bet return

percentage or a multiple losses with a high stake
- exclude emotions during play
- take a rest if you need it, or if you can't think what numbers to place

next
- have a decent bankroll, 2000-3000, don't have less, maybe the next

spin will be a favorite, don't play more, in case of a bankroll loss, it

can't be returned in a reasonable amount of time

At the end, the calculation for basic play:

numbers / total stake / profit if a hit
3 / 3 / +33
5 / 8 / +28
7 / 15 / +21
9 / 24 / +12
11 / 35 / +1
13 / 22+2
14 / 33+4+1
14 / 44+6+2
....

We get much slower loss when starting play, less profit when a favorite hits, slower coming back from a loss, more but weaker favorites. Excelent for learning to predict numbers, for less confident players who are not focused on favorites, but on trend hitting.  

Quote from: husky on May 11, 2010, 06:54:02 PM
Not a free knowledge.

You keep saying this. So how much are you selling it for?

It was never my priority. Much greater satisfaction is to win. Received money = higher bankroll for me, not a take the money and run option.

I'm not offering any specific information about the number selection, I offer education and cooperative play. In-play conclusions, descriptions of some whee'sl unwritten rules, wheel behaviour.... all played by my money live. I gave the system here with which I play now on SLC and implemented in between DB system sessions. It can be used on any casino you follow and predict good.

Only Dublin's system is specific, no thinking, just play and win. Selling it at fixed price.

For everything else, send pm or mail with the proposition and we'll arrange something. Or we won't. :D I'm not a sellet or frauder, I don't know how much some system or data is worth, there are whole books for few €, or guaranteed winning systems for few hundreds of euros. We all know that there is no mathematical system that works, that's what I said at start for both methods I described here - it is not about the system, you need a reasonable one, but the number selection makes the difference. I'm just sad that many people here judged me here from the start for being a selling noob, but reading between the lines shows who is' honest or not.

Both systems explained in detail, db system has exact number patterns, Slc has trend patterns. How to give someone that data and how much is it worth - somebody tell me please!!!! I gave pics, tests, bankroll situation.... I'll guve more tests  if needed, live, just say when and where. But how much is my effort worth. I proved some things to myself too lately, changed parts of my play, but the basic idea always remains the same. I don't turn around as the wind blows.

no thinking, just play and win. Selling it at fixed price.>>>

How much is the fixed price? Does this system give you the edge over the casino?

Quote from: husky on May 11, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
Received money = higher bankroll for me

That's not a real excuse. If your system(s) works you shouldn't need other people's money to grow your bankroll.

Quote from: husky on May 11, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
I'm not offering any specific information about the number selection, I offer education and cooperative play.

Of course. After all you have no system that gives a real edge.

Quote from: husky on May 11, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
Selling it at fixed price.

Like Spike said, how much exactly?

@the mods: Shouldn't this thread be in the system advertising section?

Quote from: husky on May 11, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
I proved some things to myself too lately, changed parts of my play

That's called curve-fitting.

Quote from: husky on May 11, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
I gave pics, tests, bankroll situation....

If you really are a winner why would you bother doing that?

1) You're a winner but you need to brag in a public forum about your winnings. (which is stupid)
or
2) You're not a real winner and are just advertising a system that you want to sell.

Obviously it's the latter.

Omg, I gave here tests, and all db screenshots are with this system only except the last one, when I came from 301 to 900 € with 3100 played, it was with both systems combined.

Pm me for any direct offer or proposal. All tests, general questions, discusions of written stuff I do here and only here.

Pm me for any direct offer or proposal. >>>

So its not a fixed price, then. This is very confusing.

I really don't care what mods will do. I once already locked a topic, and got talked out of it on pm. You are pesimistic from thestart, and only read what you use against me. I already wrote the price. I will not do it again. It is not even important. Nobody will pay that much.

If I was a seller; I'd sell on every roulette forum on the net. Go and try to find me anywhere else selling it so eager as you describe. You will not. On the whole internet, I'm writing only here and on my blog on Croatian language which is on from 2007. and has none commercials or affiliate programs which sellers always have. Here to, I don't offer any casino joining programme, just the way how to beat them.

So, you think I give too selective or fake or not proven data, I think I gave too much, and I also wonder why. But this is the forum where I learned many things about online casinos, when I decided to start play online. I've read a lot, gave this topic to it, system I play. None has the edge, but the number picking has it, for this particular casino - vuetec's dublinbet.

Everything about it has been said, it's just left for me to say these patterns.... I will not in public. So I moved the conversation and explanations to another system, another way of my play and another casino. Till I break it's code and give exact data, I can only help generaly with it.

Quote from: husky on May 11, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
Omg, I gave here tests, and all db screenshots are with this system only except the last one, when I came from 301 to 900 € with 3100 played, it was with both systems combined.

Big deal. ::)

Quote from: husky on May 11, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
Pm me for any direct offer or proposal.

Fact is, no real pros spend time posting screenshots in forums and begging for PM's, only scammers do that.

So what do they do? Go around and spilt on other players work?

Also I wrote here, my playing sessions last for few hours mostly. I have time to surf, write here, do house work.... my play is preorganised, no surprises, so I don't spend my time here except the time I play, this is also somekind of a diary for me. I don't use paper for systems and tests, so everything is here as backup and on my HDD.

And still he refuses to give us a clear understanding of what he does and how he does it...you're just as bad as all those 'I have a holy grail, but I'm not giving it to you, I'm just going to dangle the carrot and wait for you to bite' mob.
If you're so successful then go make your millions and dont bother with us mere mortals.

Ok. Locking the topic.

P.S. After almost 2 months of play (switching to 11 from 20 patterns), I neither once lost or even withdrew money without the profit. Good luck all.  

Just came by to put a screen shot. Not much for you European people, but in Croatia with my 400 €/month income it's quite a success earning this. Two months no loss.

Profit by play is 1078 € (108,62 %) plus 4 bonuses per 46 €, which gives me the overall profit of around 1260 €. With that included, it's 110,18% yield.

Also, 550 € earned with 33 000 € wagered on SLC. 333 deposited, 500 bonus, payout 880 €.

And, yesterday I lost 301 € for the first time. But not playing any of these two systems, but testing third one. My stupidity was back for a day. And it costs me. I don't know why I do it. Always happens when I'm in profit, I start experimenting. When in a loss, I'm carefull with every cent.

Going back to these two systems, mainly the DB's pattern system, because I will not play SLC anymore this summer. It has too obvious magnetic work to decide the outcome, much more obvious then DB. It has bizarre results sometimes. Not a fair roulette. 150% bonus for the first deposit is worth of risking, but play wihout the advantage is not greatfull there. Though I like the thing that they don't have 48 hour withdrawal term which DB has. I lose days with it. I sometimes do the wager in a day, and have to wait for 1 more to withdraw.

I'll calculate some more the play @ SLC, I have a clue what is their pattern, I'll use it, but more like in the winter. I have much more time in the winter because 1.3.-1.11. is my bussiness'es season.

Hear ya.

P.S. Notice, that 200 loss was because that 3115 wager session has ended. I ended in profit, and I never play a cent more when I do the wager. The system was in play, in loss, it would go back probably but I never take that risk. In the past I lost that way few times, and I could never forgive my self. So count that loss out. If it was a real loss it would be 300+ €

P.S.2. Not selling anything, just showing off.  :lol:

Got back my loss immidiately. Played a new version of my system. Two systems combined.

That lost session was worth though, I found out how not to play. Did a little push up and now it's working.

I modified this last written system for less risk, and for playing doubles. It wasn't possible to play this system with numbers and DB's pattern system also with numbers. Now it works fast for wagering.

As seen on last stats and here - there are no losses. Very rare daily losses, and only one deposit loss.

One loss was 1 €, one 6 €, one was due being in a loss during play and doing the wager at the moment, and still was with that 210 € loss in profit with that deposit. One loss of 301 and 23 days profit. A lot of skipped days due to work and family.

What is most important, my number prediction skill for DB is becoming very precise. From exact short-term number hitting to prediction of a sector, pattern, duration of it's sleepers or hot numbers....

I could analyse the way it's randomness is controlled, it think I'd do more damage, at first to myself, and to many people who'd maybe go the way they'd get lost in translation, and lose money by experimenting.... and then blame me for it. Who can understand the outcomes, can easily understand this topic and stop making mathematical systems, because none never, and none will ever win on roulette. Only the number and pattern prediction can give the player an advantage in play (player's concentration, bankroll, cool head, non-greedyness etc I consider as learned and accepted as only way of play).

From the first post here, I'm just trying to describe my knowledge of this controlled randomness, which is a fact. There are proofs of it.... things you could never see happen on DB table one. The more things you find that CAN'T, ot MUST happen in a certain period in time, the more advantage in play you have.

It's amazing, still for me, after 4 months of testing db table patterns how they work. It's a every day normal thing to happen. Exact number coming together. With the system explained here on first few pages, it works absolutely amazing. In all tests, any time of day, any patern of 11 played. It's the trigger for this whole topic. And I'm still writing here as my diary. I still didn't earn a cent from anyone but from the Dublinbet and SLC for one session. And I'll still write here and will till my topic is here. It brings me a place for writing down my conclusions. My disk gets formated, but this topic stays with thoughts and data.

In the start the wheel has 2,7% advantage.... my advantage over DB table one, on the long run seems to be around 5% PLUS the deposit bonuses of 15% which are NOT shown on these stats. It's +15% on every deposit. It takes me to 7-8% advantage.

So, for all those pesimistic smart-asses that came to this topic - i hope I have enough data to prove I'm not a scammer.

In the attachments....

A picture of last session, first after a session loss, 301 deposit, 46 bonus, 624 withdrawal. Got it back, and went to profit 22 euros.

And a cumulative mega session from 27.3. to 31.5. Did 5 sessions, that's 5*46 = 230 € bonus. Total Bets €17,529.60. That's approx 35058 units played. Total Total Payout Percentage 105.81%, with the bonuses, that's 107,46%.

I don't play tired. I don't push play. I don't play over my head. I don't play if I doubt I can finnish my session if it doesn't give profit fast. I never play more then 0,5 € per unit - maybe next year when I prove even to myself that I'm sure I can play 99% days without loss worth of mentioning. And that's another reason why my stakes are still low, why sometimes i still play few euros, just to earn few units and go my way. With the 400 € salary and 2000 € income on roulette in 2 months, I'm quite happy. Invested some, traveled, and kept most of it for further play.

I'll open this topic again in hope we can get some decent talk, and I'm always here for questions. But I'll ask moderators to delete non-constructive and offensive posts. If anyone thinks this is bullshit, I always say, go away from this topic, go to martingale discussion topic or some similar new-age mathematical system.

P.S. Yes, I'm not giving away my exact numbers or db's controlled randomness explanation. But I'm willing to talk about the ways of using found patterns, ways to control numbers, to read past, and know the future of spins. And I'm talking about Dublinbet's table one only. Every wheel is different. Every casino is different.

Hi all.

Stopped by to say that I'm alive. Still using advantage on Dublinbet's table one. I think even more that it's predictable by its patterns, even more convinced in it, since I'm playing it nearly 8 months this way on DB table one. But, I lost quite fast, 2 times on SmartLiveCasino with the exactly the same play. I'd say more like - I didn't have a chance.  ;D Luckily, it's lowest chip is 0,25, so I lost half money with the same amount of reserved units for my planned play. That's an evidence that logic on one table is not the same on another. It's not about the system, it's still quite primitive, it's all about the number picking.

As always, special hellos to all the martingale researchers and players, that still use their brain cells developing an ultimately winning martingale scheme.  :on_the_quiet:

G'day,

My system uses a Martingale component,
it works just under 50% of the time. LOL, LOL!!

Glenn.

I'm still playing only Dublinbet, and only my own patterns. 10% profit is a constant value.

There's almost 13 000 views, and still no feedback.

I guess my hundreds of written words and data weren't enough.

Quote from: husky link=topic=15435. msg123137#msg123137 date=1289031674
I'm still playing only Dublinbet, and only my own patterns.  10% profit is a constant value.

There's almost 13 000 views, and still no feedback.

I guess my hundreds of written words and data weren't enough.

Bingo !

No one is biting mate.  Jog on.

@ husky

do you think that wheel is bias ?

are you still playing there ?

Quote from: husky on March 09, 2010, 12:13:12 AM
No. There are no that kind cheats. Everything is transparent.

The doubt is if any of spins is directed by a magnet or not. Those in Croatia, where I live and only played locals, are directed by the magnet, and that's the law. I don't think we are the only ones, especially knowing that most of the machines are produced by Gold Club from Slovenia, and they sell their machines to 30 countries.

Live wheels are not different.

beats me why is a magnet in casino by the law? what does it mean and how can it be? Does it mean that roulette is not random by the law?

im guessing a magnet can affect where it will land because the magnet would slow the ball down from where it could of landed.
so vb would be even harder to use if the wheel has a magnet, well thats my guess.

i dont think the magnet makes the ball land where they want it to but i could be wrong.
infact it could have the oppersit affect and alow you to win if you knew where the magnet was but no doub they move them around.
im thinking its more for the vb players, but hey im proberly wrong

I havent looked for bias but dont you guys think the online casinos watch these pages? This is the biggest roulette forum I have seen so they are probably watching