EC by hand

[Marven]

Is It Wrong to simplyfy this one by saying If BBR bet B if BBR bet B. And if BRB bet R or if RBR bet B. And if RRR bet R if BBB bet B?

Am I missing something?

/Worm

Hi Worm,

According to the EC system that I made, the betting plan is a combination of the following triggers+bets:

Streak Bets:
    BBB shows ----> Bet on B
    RRR shows ----> Bet on R

Dominant Bets:
    Back Dominants: BBR shows ----> Bet on B
                           RRB shows ----> Bet on R
    Front Dominants: RBB shows ----> Bet on B
                            BRR shows ----> Bet on R
Loop Bets:
    BRB shows ----> Bet on R
    RBR shows ----> Bet on B


Notice the amazing similarity to Portsa's betting plan!

I use all these combined together.

All the best,
Marven

[Worm]

Thank you for your input on this Marven. I been thinking alot about how to resist the BBRR BBRR or vice versa. Your idea seems to make alot of sense and I agree that betting this like a robot isnt something you want to do really.

Great minds think alike

Take care

/Worm[smiley=checks/12.jpg]

[Worm]

Just a idea of mine, if you encounter 3 losses in a raw try betting the opposite on the next bet and stay on it until you get a loss. Might be a stupid idea but I like to bet like this when Iam playing. Might get you to a larger DD but I like the chance so get into that BBPP chops

take care
/Worm

[sniper]

Hello Portsa mate

Thanks again for your system and the nice testing results you posted.I am doing a lot of testing on your system and will try playing in land casino in a week or so. Any update on the MM technique?
You mentioned about the stop loss at -5 units. How do you continue after the stop loss? Do you wait for new outcomes and start betting or do you move to another table? When you are playing 3 EC together and one of them hit a -5 stop loss, do you continue betting with the other 2 EC till the end of 30 hands? When zero appears, do you ignore it and continue with the previous bet?

Thank you very much

Regards
sniper

[Portsa]

Hi guys – thanks for all the input.

I'm still hammering away at my testing & I've tried a few more tweaks.

I've increased my stop loss to -7 units & I've also increased my first bet to 2 units, this was in an attempt to avoid losing big & wining small, I still revert back to a single unit if my first bet loses or if I hit -2 after that.

This is a typical losing session:-

No      R/B     Bet       Sum
30   +1      
17   0      
34   +1      
36   +2   L   -2
29   +1   L   -3
25   +2   W   -2
36   +3   L   -3
33   +2   L   -4
2   +1   L   -5
12   +2   L   -6
19   +3   L   -7


This one did a little better:-

No      R/B     Bet       Sum
27   +1      
14   +2      
15   +1      
22   0   L   -2
29   -1   W   -1
23   0   L   -2
20   -1   W   -1
25   0   W   0
24   -1   W   +2
26   -2   L   0
15   -3   W   +2
35   -4   W   +4
19   -3   L   +2
11   -4   W   +4
18   -3   W   +6


This has worked fairly well – after 10000 spins I'm up 715 units. Although After 400 sessions (12000 spins) it has fallen to 580 units – I hit a period where I lost 19 out of 20 sessions losing about 150 units.

The difference between RNG testing & results from B&M casino's is definitely noticeable.

I did a trial of 100 sessions (3000 spins) using the download of Wiesbaden spins as supplied by Kon-Fu-Sed (thanks mate) & got very good results.
This was one of the better sessions (Wiesbaden 12-4-2003):-

No      R/B     Bet       Sum      O/E   Bet       Sum      H/L    Bet       Sum
2   -1         -1         -1      
8   -2         -2         -2      
14   -1         -3         -3      
7   0   L   -2   -2   L   -2   -4   W   +2
5   +1   W   -1   -1   L   -3   -5   W   +4
16   +2   W   0   -2   L   -4   -6   W   +6
11   +1   L   -2   -1   W   -3   -7   W   +8
25   +2   W   -1   0   L   -4   -6   L   +6
17   +1   W   0   +1   W   -3   -7   W   +8
30   +2   W   +2   0   L   -4   -6   W   +10
3   +3   L   0   +1   W   -3   -7   W   +12
28   +2   L   -2   0   W   -2   -6   W   +14
6   +1   L   -3   -1   L   -3   -7   W   +16
20   0   W   -2   -2   W   -2   -6   W   +18
24   -1   W   -1   -3   W   -1   -5   L   +16
30   0   L   -2   -4   W   0   -4   W   +18
10   -1   W   -1   -5   W   +2   -5   L   +16
30   0   W   0   -6   W   +4   -4   W   +18
4   -1   W   +2   -7   W   +6   -5   W   +20
27   0   W   +4   -6   L   +4   -4   W   +22
32   +1   L   +2   -7   W   +6   -3   L   +20
34   +2   W   +4   -8   L   +4   -2   W   +22
7   +3   W   +6   -7   L   +2   -3   L   +20
2   +2   L   +4   -8   W   +4   -4   L   +18
21   +3   W   +6   -7   W   +6   -3   L   +16
11   +2   W   +8   -6   L   +4   -4   W   +18
31   +1   L   +6   -5   W   +6   -3   W   +20
14   +2   L   +4   -6   L   +4   -4   W   +22
27   +3   L   +2   -5   W   +6   -3   W   +24
16   +4   W   +4   -6   W   +8   -4   W   +26
                           

This session was up 38 units.

The 100 sessions gave +244 units in total.



To answer some question that have been posted.

To Sniper – if a single E/C hits -7 units I abandon that one & continue with the other two until I finish the 30 spin session. Of the more than 400 sessions that I tested (using RNG) I've only had 7 sessions where all three E/C's have lost that gives a -21 unit total for that session.

To Worm & Marven -  with regards to the 'pairs' I've tried testing on a repeat of a double – RRB & betting on Black to give a second pair (RRBB), but this gave similar results to normal play. It's up to yourself how you want to play it.

I'm still trying to come up with a satisfactory way of recovering from zero's – I've tried treating a zero as a loss, that is if I was betting on a red & a zero was spun I'd take it as a black & continue, but this can easily break a wining trend & cost you more overall. Bearing in mind that by increasing my starting bet to 2 units a zero could cause a 3 unit loss (that's 50% of 6 units) this is certainly a problem.
I currently increase my bets by a 10 to 20% after a zero & see if I can catch up. I'll keep on testing in this area & see what I can work out.

Please feel free to give any feed back.


Portsa

Sorry about the tables - I tried pasting them from Excel - but they don't look so good.

[Worm]

Ty for your testing and feedback Portsa I promise myself that i will test this even more, just that I had so much else on my hands..

Take care

/Worm

[sniper]

Hello Portsa

10000 spins is about 333 sessions of 30 spins each & the end result (excluding zeros) gave me +365 units.

Does it mean the loses when zero hit is not taken into consideration?

By the way Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family.

Thanks & Regards
sniper

[Portsa]

Hi Sniper – thanks for the seasonal wishes, all the best to you & your loved ones.

You're correct about the zeros – they are not included in my totals. I'm still trying to figure out how to overcome that one. I currently try & recover from a loss by increasing my bet by 10 – 20% until I've caught up, but I could do with something better.

[Portsa]

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