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Title: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 04, 2008, 04:10:41 PM
I will give three different kind of spins every day:
1. real wheel Wiesbaden Table 3
2. Air-Ball Wiesbaden Table 8
3. RNG daily spins of CasinoClub

starting with 1. Spin
Stopp with spin 50

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 04, 2008, 04:11:45 PM
Wiesbaden T3
Code Select
1 15 36 1 0
2 0 35 2 0
3 27 34 3 0
4 15 34 2 1
5 30 33 3 1
6 31 32 4 1
7 31 32 3 2
8 1 31 4 2
9 18 30 5 2
10 18 30 4 3
11 23 29 5 3
12 11 28 6 3
13 21 27 7 3
14 30 0 27 6 4
15 20 0 26 7 4
16 18 0 26 7 4
17 15 0 26 7 4
18 13 0 25 8 4
19 3 0 24 9 4
20 12 0 23 10 4
21 4 0 22 11 4
22 22 0 21 12 4
23 20 0 21 11 5
24 32 0 20 12 5
25 17 0 19 13 5
26 0 0 19 12 6
27 36 0 18 13 6
28 6 0 17 14 6
29 29 0 16 15 6
30 9 rr 20 15 16 6
31 36 20 15 15 7
32 34 rr 41 14 16 7
33 4 41 14 15 8
34 30 41 14 15 8
35 0 41 14 15 8
36 31 41 14 15 8
37 24 41 13 16 8
38 0 41 13 16 8
39 30 41 13 16 8
40 31 41 13 16 8
41 7 41 12 17 8
42 24 41 12 16 9
43 33 41 11 17 9
44 13 41 11 16 10
45 10 rr 66 10 17 10
46 15 66 10 17 10
47 23 66 10 16 11
48 5 66 9 17 11
49 31 66 9 17 11
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 04, 2008, 04:15:31 PM
Wiesbaden T8
Code Select
1 32 36 1 0
2 13 35 2 0
3 33 34 3 0
4 24 33 4 0
5 30 32 5 0
6 30 32 4 1
7 33 32 3 2
8 30 32 3 2
9 20 31 4 2
10 4 30 5 2
11 20 30 4 3
12 8 29 5 3
13 15 28 6 3
14 15 0 28 5 4
15 32 0 28 4 5
16 26 0 27 5 5
17 21 0 26 6 5
18 30 0 26 6 5
19 7 0 25 7 5
20 19 0 24 8 5
21 10 0 23 9 5
22 16 0 22 10 5
23 11 0 21 11 5
24 29 0 20 12 5
25 15 0 20 12 5
26 18 0 19 13 5
27 32 0 19 13 5
28 22 0 18 14 5
29 2 0 17 15 5
30 28 0 16 16 5
31 7 rr -16 16 15 6
32 17 rr 4 15 16 6
33 10 4 15 15 7
34 18 rr -11 15 14 8
35 2 rr -26 15 13 9
36 31 -26 14 14 9
37 29 rr -40 14 13 10
38 23 rr -18 13 14 10
39 36 -18 12 15 10
40 10 -18 12 15 10
41 31 -18 12 14 11
42 27 -18 11 15 11
43 14 rr 7 10 16 11
44 2 7 10 16 11
45 14 7 10 15 12
46 27 7 10 14 13
47 36 nr 29 10 13 14
48 34 29 9 14 14
49 30 nr 15 9 14 14
50 23 nr 37 9 13 15
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 04, 2008, 04:21:57 PM
RNG
Code Select
1 30 36 1 0 0
2 27 35 2 0 0
3 32 34 3 0 0
4 0 33 4 0 0
5 9 32 5 0 0
6 19 31 6 0 0
7 14 30 7 0 0
8 4 29 8 0 0
9 25 28 9 0 0
10 24 27 10 0 0
11 33 26 11 0 0
12 20 25 12 0 0
13 7 24 13 0 0
14 20 0 24 12 1 1
15 10 0 23 13 1 1
16 34 0 22 14 1 1
17 1 0 21 15 1 1
18 36 0 20 16 1 1
19 5 0 19 17 1 1
20 16 0 18 18 1 1
21 4 0 18 17 2 2
22 25 0 18 16 3 3
23 25 0 18 16 3 2
24 5 0 18 15 4 3
25 2 0 17 16 4 3
26 32 rr -17 17 15 5 4
27 15 -17 16 16 5 4
28 32 rr -33 16 16 5 3
29 19 rr -49 16 15 6 4
30 16 -49 16 14 7 5
31 7 -49 16 13 8 6
32 31 -49 15 14 8 6
33 7 rr -64 15 14 8 5
34 6 rr -43 14 15 8 5
35 27 -43 14 14 9 6
36 12 rr -21 13 15 9 6
37 11 -21 12 16 9 6
38 14 -21 12 15 10 7
39 7 -21 12 15 10 7
40 33 -21 12 14 11 8
41 1 rr -33 12 13 12 9
42 20 rr -45 12 13 12 8
43 10 rr -57 12 12 13 9
44 32 -57 12 12 13 9
45 7 -57 12 12 13 9
46 0 -57 12 11 14 10
47 30 rr -69 12 10 15 11
48 35 rr -45 11 11 15 11
49 28 nr -56 10 12 15 11
50 11 nr -32 10 11 16 12
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 04, 2008, 04:23:28 PM
1. day +60

I play all crossings so that nobody can tell I saw the losses and stopped. So I would be cheating!

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2008, 07:35:06 AM
RNG

Code Select
1 9 36 1 0
2 27 35 2 0
3 13 34 3 0
4 3 33 4 0
5 35 32 5 0
6 17 31 6 0
7 35 31 5 1
8 22 30 6 1
9 2 29 7 1
10 21 28 8 1
11 36 27 9 1
12 32 26 10 1
13 21 26 9 2
14 32 0 26 8 3
15 33 0 25 9 3
16 3 0 25 8 4
17 24 0 24 9 4
18 26 0 23 10 4
19 14 0 22 11 4
20 29 0 21 12 4
21 0 0 20 13 4
22 24 0 20 12 5
23 33 0 20 11 6
24 28 0 19 12 6
25 32 0 19 12 6
26 31 0 18 13 6
27 34 0 17 14 6
28 34 0 17 13 7
29 22 0 17 12 8
30 18 0 16 13 8
31 29 0 16 12 9
32 12 0 15 13 9
33 17 0 15 12 10
34 11 0 14 13 10
35 35 rr -14 14 13 10
36 35 rr -28 14 13 10
37 18 -28 14 12 11
38 17 nr -40 14 12 11
39 11 nr -16 14 11 12
40 2 -16 14 10 13
41 24 -16 14 10 13
42 28 -16 14 9 14
43 29 rr -30 14 9 14
44 15 rr -8 13 10 14
45 6 -8 12 11 14
46 36 rr -20 12 10 15
47 23 -20 11 11 15
48 3 rr -31 11 11 15
49 36 rr -42 11 11 15
50 16 rr -17 10 12 15


Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 05, 2008, 07:44:59 AM
winkel I see that for optimal results you need quite alot of experience :)  but if you bet every trigger I think results should also be positive
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2008, 11:02:01 AM
touchbet airball Wiesbaden T8

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2
1 19 36 1 0 0
2 28 35 2 0 0
3 9 34 3 0 0
4 2 33 4 0 0
5 14 32 5 0 0
6 32 31 6 0 0
7 8 30 7 0 0
8 30 29 8 0 0
9 28 29 7 1 1
10 32 29 6 2 2
11 4 28 7 2 2
12 30 28 6 3 3
13 3 27 7 3 3
14 4 0 27 6 4 4
15 10 0 26 7 4 4
16 17 0 25 8 4 4
17 7 0 24 9 4 4
18 16 0 23 10 4 4
19 35 0 22 11 4 4
20 6 0 21 12 4 4
21 27 0 20 13 4 4
22 17 0 20 12 5 5
23 9 0 20 11 6 6
24 22 0 19 12 6 6
25 36 0 18 13 6 6
26 22 0 18 12 7 7
27 27 0 18 11 8 8
28 7 0 18 10 9 9
29 13 0 17 11 9 9
30 15 0 16 12 9 9
31 0 0 15 13 9 9
32 23 0 14 14 9 9
33 11 rr 22 13 15 9 9
34 19 22 13 14 10 10
35 12 22 12 15 10 10
36 14 22 12 14 11 11
37 31 rr 46 11 15 11 11
38 13 46 11 14 12 12
39 2 46 11 13 13 13
40 10 nr 69 11 12 14 14
41 18 69 10 13 14 14
42 22 69 10 13 14 13
43 28 69 10 13 14 12
44 25 69 9 14 14 12
45 32 nr 55 9 14 14 11
46 31 nr 77 9 13 15 12
47 2 77 9 13 15 11
48 2 77 9 13 15 11
49 7 77 9 13 15 10
50 24 77 8 14 15 10
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2008, 11:11:09 AM
Live Wheel Wiesbaden T3
Code Select
1 36 36 1 0 0
2 1 35 2 0 0
3 28 34 3 0 0
4 34 33 4 0 0
5 26 32 5 0 0
6 27 31 6 0 0
7 21 30 7 0 0
8 6 29 8 0 0
9 33 28 9 0 0
10 24 27 10 0 0
11 12 26 11 0 0
12 28 26 10 1 1
13 29 25 11 1 1
14 1 0 25 10 2 2
15 15 0 24 11 2 2
16 30 0 23 12 2 2
17 0 0 22 13 2 2
18 23 0 21 14 2 2
19 11 0 20 15 2 2
20 12 0 20 14 3 3
21 2 0 19 15 3 3
22 28 0 19 15 3 2
23 30 0 19 14 4 3
24 10 0 18 15 4 3
25 33 0 18 14 5 4
26 4 0 17 15 5 4
27 3 0 16 16 5 4
28 3 rr -16 16 15 6 5
29 13 rr 4 15 16 6 5
30 0 4 15 15 7 6
31 11 rr -11 15 14 8 7
32 16 rr 10 14 15 8 7
33 32 10 13 16 8 7
34 36 10 13 15 9 8
35 11 10 13 15 9 7
36 28 10 13 15 9 7
37 11 10 13 15 9 7
38 25 10 12 16 9 7
39 12 10 12 16 9 6
40 32 10 12 15 10 7
41 32 10 12 15 10 6
42 5 10 11 16 10 6
43 27 rr -1 11 15 11 7
44 23 rr -12 11 14 12 8
45 36 -12 11 14 12 7
46 7 -12 10 15 12 7
47 0 -12 10 15 12 6
48 4 -12 10 14 13 7
49 19 nr -26 9 15 13 7
50 32 -26 9 15 13 7
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2008, 11:13:05 AM
Day 1:+60
Day 2: -17+77-26=+34

Total: +94
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2008, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on September 05, 2008, 07:44:59 AM
winkel I see that for optimal results you need quite alot of experience :)  but if you bet every trigger I think results should also be positive

Fortunately you can watch the numbers appear in wiesbaden so I do the test as a live game.
I just wanna show, that you won´t loose your bankroll.

Of course it needs eyperience like chess ore bridge or poker, most people don´t like that. If you can´t winn at these three games, you won´t winn with G.U.T

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 05, 2008, 08:03:33 PM
RNG

Code Select
1 1 36 1 0
2 10 35 2 0
3 34 34 3 0
4 19 33 4 0
5 31 32 5 0
6 14 31 6 0
7 15 30 7 0
8 19 30 6 1
9 7 29 7 1
10 22 28 8 1
11 2 27 9 1
12 15 27 8 2
13 19 27 8 2
14 35 0 26 9 2
15 13 0 25 10 2
16 32 0 24 11 2
17 31 0 24 10 3
18 29 0 23 11 3
19 2 0 23 10 4
20 26 0 22 11 4
21 5 0 21 12 4
22 8 0 20 13 4
23 31 0 20 13 4
24 32 0 20 12 5
25 20 0 19 13 5
26 1 0 19 12 6
27 23 0 18 13 6
28 14 0 18 12 7
29 13 0 18 11 8
30 31 0 18 11 8
31 7 0 18 10 9
32 1 0 18 10 9
33 0 0 17 11 9
34 24 0 16 12 9
35 24 0 16 11 10
36 10 nr 25 16 10 11
37 34 25 16 9 12
38 2 25 16 9 12
39 30 25 15 10 12
40 9 25 14 11 12
41 32 25 14 11 12
42 6 25 13 12 12
43 1 rr 12 13 12 12
44 3 rr 35 12 13 12
45 33 rr 59 11 14 12
46 25 59 10 15 12
47 2 59 10 15 12
48 17 59 9 16 12
49 12 59 8 17 12
50 10 59 8 17 12
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 06, 2008, 01:54:51 PM
Live Wheel Wiesbaden T3

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 14 36 1 0 0 0
2 25 35 2 0 0 0
3 30 34 3 0 0 0
4 30 34 2 1 1 0
5 9 33 3 1 1 0
6 28 32 4 1 1 0
7 24 31 5 1 1 0
8 16 30 6 1 1 0
9 35 29 7 1 1 0
10 16 29 6 2 2 0
11 7 28 7 2 2 0
12 13 27 8 2 2 0
13 34 26 9 2 2 0
14 1 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 6 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 14 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 20 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 0 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 35 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 27 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 2 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 1 0 20 12 5 5 0
23 12 0 19 13 5 5 0
24 17 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 12 0 18 13 6 6 0
26 19 0 17 14 6 6 0
27 6 0 17 13 7 7 0
28 11 0 16 14 7 7 0
29 17 0 16 13 8 8 0
30 23 0 15 14 8 8 0
31 14 rr -15 15 14 8 7 1
32 30 rr -30 15 14 8 6 2
33 25 -30 15 13 9 7 2
34 35 -30 15 13 9 6 3
35 35 -30 15 13 9 6 3
36 9 -30 15 12 10 7 3
37 8 -30 14 13 10 7 3
38 19 rr -44 14 12 11 8 3
39 33 -44 13 13 11 8 3
40 3 rr -21 12 14 11 8 3
41 33 -21 12 13 12 9 3
42 16 nr -34 12 13 12 8 4
43 13 nr -11 12 12 13 9 4
44 20 rr -23 12 11 14 10 4
45 35 rr -35 12 11 14 10 4
46 1 rr -47 12 11 14 9 5
47 17 -47 12 11 14 8 6
48 36 -47 11 12 14 8 6
49 28 -47 11 11 15 9 6
50 15 rr -22 10 12 15 9 6
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 06, 2008, 01:55:33 PM
Touch Bet Airball

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 33 36 1 0 0 0
2 2 35 2 0 0 0
3 17 34 3 0 0 0
4 14 33 4 0 0 0
5 29 32 5 0 0 0
6 2 32 4 1 1 0
7 35 31 5 1 1 0
8 24 30 6 1 1 0
9 22 29 7 1 1 0
10 2 29 7 1 0 1
11 35 29 6 2 1 1
12 10 28 7 2 1 1
13 10 28 6 3 2 1
14 6 0 27 7 3 2 1
15 5 0 26 8 3 2 1
16 5 0 26 7 4 3 1
17 21 0 25 8 4 3 1
18 13 0 24 9 4 3 1
19 2 0 24 9 4 3 1
20 1 0 23 10 4 3 1
21 10 0 23 10 4 2 2
22 2 0 23 10 4 2 2
23 1 0 23 9 5 3 2
24 12 0 22 10 5 3 2
25 14 0 22 9 6 4 2
26 11 0 21 10 6 4 2
27 3 0 20 11 6 4 2
28 17 0 20 10 7 5 2
29 16 0 19 11 7 5 2
30 19 0 18 12 7 5 2
31 25 0 17 13 7 5 2
32 31 0 16 14 7 5 2
33 8 0 15 15 7 5 2
34 6 rr -15 15 14 8 6 2
35 13 rr -30 15 13 9 7 2
36 8 -30 15 12 10 8 2
37 5 -30 15 12 10 7 3
38 25 -30 15 11 11 8 3
39 32 nr -41 14 12 11 8 3
40 18 nr -53 13 13 11 8 3
41 22 rr -66 13 12 12 9 3
42 23 rr -43 12 13 12 9 3
43 7 nr -56 11 14 12 9 3
44 5 -56 11 14 12 9 3
45 12 -56 11 13 13 10 3
46 7 nr -33 11 12 14 11 3
47 12 nr -45 11 12 14 10 4
48 11 rr -56 11 11 15 11 4
49 30 rr -31 10 12 15 11 4
50 1 nr -43 10 12 15 10 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 06, 2008, 01:56:57 PM
[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
   tot,   10   ,   71   ,   7   ,   88
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 07, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 21 36 1 0 0 0
2 17 35 2 0 0 0
3 8 34 3 0 0 0
4 5 33 4 0 0 0
5 2 32 5 0 0 0
6 13 31 6 0 0 0
7 27 30 7 0 0 0
8 2 30 6 1 1 0
9 23 29 7 1 1 0
10 32 28 8 1 1 0
11 13 28 7 2 2 0
12 7 27 8 2 2 0
13 32 27 7 3 3 0
14 6 0 26 8 3 3 0
15 17 0 26 7 4 4 0
16 24 0 25 8 4 4 0
17 31 0 24 9 4 4 0
18 3 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 34 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 26 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 13 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 7 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 0 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 25 0 19 13 5 4 1
25 33 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 15 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 6 0 17 14 6 5 1
28 30 0 16 15 6 5 1
29 23 rr -16 16 14 7 6 1
30 31 -16 16 13 8 7 1
31 6 -16 16 13 8 6 2
32 33 -16 16 12 9 7 2
33 0 -16 16 11 10 8 2
34 26 nr 9 16 10 11 9 2
35 24 9 16 9 12 10 2
36 28 9 15 10 12 10 2
37 6 9 15 10 12 10 2
38 11 9 14 11 12 10 2
39 9 9 13 12 12 10 2
40 15 rr -4 13 11 13 11 2
41 28 nr 21 13 10 14 12 2
42 23 21 13 10 14 11 3
43 23 21 13 10 14 11 3
44 25 21 13 9 15 12 3
45 15 21 13 9 15 11 4
46 26 21 13 9 15 10 5
47 15 21 13 9 15 10 5
48 24 21 13 9 15 9 6
49 22 21 12 10 15 9 6
50 19 21 11 11 15 9 6


please see also the Original-Thread
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 07, 2008, 11:14:49 AM
live Wheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 26 36 1 0 0 0
2 15 35 2 0 0 0
3 0 34 3 0 0 0
4 34 33 4 0 0 0
5 31 32 5 0 0 0
6 30 31 6 0 0 0
7 1 30 7 0 0 0
8 26 30 6 1 1 0
9 4 29 7 1 1 0
10 13 28 8 1 1 0
11 6 27 9 1 1 0
12 33 26 10 1 1 0
13 10 25 11 1 1 0
14 34 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 34 0 25 10 2 1 1
16 24 0 24 11 2 1 1
17 21 0 23 12 2 1 1
18 21 0 23 11 3 2 1
19 8 0 22 12 3 2 1
20 0 0 22 11 4 3 1
21 16 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 27 0 20 13 4 3 1
23 4 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 11 0 19 13 5 4 1
25 28 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 22 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 33 0 17 14 6 5 1
28 25 0 16 15 6 5 1
29 7 rr 20 15 16 6 5 1
30 3 20 14 17 6 5 1
31 25 20 14 16 7 6 1
32 19 20 13 17 7 6 1
33 10 20 13 16 8 7 1
34 6 20 13 15 9 8 1
35 23 20 12 16 9 8 1
36 11 20 12 15 10 9 1
37 17 20 11 16 10 9 1
38 8 20 11 15 11 10 1
39 28 20 11 14 12 11 1
40 3 20 11 13 13 12 1
41 9 nr 7 10 14 13 12 1
42 24 nr 29 10 13 14 13 1
43 34 29 10 13 14 13 1
44 4 29 10 13 14 12 2
45 11 29 10 13 14 11 3
46 10 29 10 13 14 10 4
47 21 rr 19 10 13 14 9 5
48 30 rr 9 10 12 15 10 5
49 25 rr -1 10 12 15 9 6
50 3 -1 10 12 15 8 7
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 07, 2008, 11:16:59 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 29 36 1 0 0 0
2 0 35 2 0 0 0
3 22 34 3 0 0 0
4 30 33 4 0 0 0
5 5 32 5 0 0 0
6 13 31 6 0 0 0
7 28 30 7 0 0 0
8 34 29 8 0 0 0
9 18 28 9 0 0 0
10 0 28 8 1 1 0
11 28 28 7 2 2 0
12 28 28 7 2 1 1
13 9 27 8 2 1 1
14 30 0 27 7 3 2 1
15 29 0 27 6 4 3 1
16 34 0 27 5 5 4 1
17 29 0 27 5 5 3 2
18 6 0 26 6 5 3 2
19 32 0 25 7 5 3 2
20 30 0 25 7 5 2 3
21 30 0 25 7 5 2 3
22 13 0 25 6 6 3 3
23 17 0 24 7 6 3 3
24 29 0 24 7 6 3 3
25 19 0 23 8 6 3 3
26 28 0 23 8 6 3 3
27 18 0 23 7 7 4 3
28 8 0 22 8 7 4 3
29 23 0 21 9 7 4 3
30 27 0 20 10 7 4 3
31 29 0 20 10 7 4 3
32 30 0 20 10 7 4 3
33 1 0 19 11 7 4 3
34 20 0 18 12 7 4 3
35 15 0 17 13 7 4 3
36 19 0 17 12 8 5 3
37 8 0 17 11 9 6 3
38 13 0 17 11 9 5 4
39 5 0 17 10 10 6 4
40 0 nr -10 17 10 10 5 5
41 35 nr -20 16 11 10 5 5
42 17 nr 5 16 10 11 6 5
43 2 5 15 11 11 6 5
44 31 nr -6 14 12 11 6 5
45 21 nr -18 13 13 11 6 5
46 36 rr 5 12 14 11 6 5
47 32 5 12 13 12 7 5
48 21 rr -7 12 12 13 8 5
49 5 rr -19 12 12 13 7 6
50 22 rr -31 12 11 14 8 6


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
   ,   31   ,   40   ,   6   ,   77
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 08, 2008, 08:38:25 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 22 36 1 0 0 0
2 18 35 2 0 0 0
3 12 34 3 0 0 0
4 35 33 4 0 0 0
5 34 32 5 0 0 0
6 4 31 6 0 0 0
7 4 31 5 1 1 0
8 3 30 6 1 1 0
9 22 30 5 2 2 0
10 16 29 6 2 2 0
11 20 28 7 2 2 0
12 30 27 8 2 2 0
13 2 26 9 2 2 0
14 12 0 26 8 3 3 0
15 34 0 26 7 4 4 0
16 35 0 26 6 5 5 0
17 4 0 26 6 5 4 1
18 7 0 25 7 5 4 1
19 7 0 25 6 6 5 1
20 11 0 24 7 6 5 1
21 8 0 23 8 6 5 1
22 35 0 23 8 6 4 2
23 10 0 22 9 6 4 2
24 2 0 22 8 7 5 2
25 13 0 21 9 7 5 2
26 14 0 20 10 7 5 2
27 10 0 20 9 8 6 2
28 12 0 20 9 8 5 3
29 4 0 20 9 8 5 3
30 21 0 19 10 8 5 3
31 22 0 19 10 8 4 4
32 7 0 19 10 8 3 5
33 6 0 18 11 8 3 5
34 24 0 17 12 8 3 5
35 18 0 17 11 9 4 5
36 9 0 16 12 9 4 5
37 29 0 15 13 9 4 5
38 12 0 15 13 9 4 5
39 0 0 14 14 9 4 5
40 30 rr -14 14 13 10 5 5
41 11 rr -28 14 12 11 6 5
42 19 nr -40 13 13 11 6 5
43 0 nr -17 13 12 12 7 5
44 22 nr -29 13 12 12 7 5
45 29 nr -5 13 11 13 8 5
46 10 rr -18 13 11 13 7 6
47 29 fr 5 13 11 13 6 7
48 29 5 13 11 13 6 7
49 20 5 13 10 14 7 7
50 23 5 12 11 14 7 7
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 08, 2008, 11:05:03 AM
Live Wheel wiesbaden T3

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 34 36 1 0 0 0
2 5 35 2 0 0 0
3 28 34 3 0 0 0
4 6 33 4 0 0 0
5 12 32 5 0 0 0
6 1 31 6 0 0 0
7 3 30 7 0 0 0
8 14 29 8 0 0 0
9 15 28 9 0 0 0
10 7 27 10 0 0 0
11 11 26 11 0 0 0
12 23 25 12 0 0 0
13 2 24 13 0 0 0
14 18 0 23 14 0 0 0
15 7 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 27 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 24 0 21 15 1 1 0
18 33 0 20 16 1 1 0
19 18 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 22 0 19 16 2 2 0
21 30 0 18 17 2 2 0
22 30 rr -18 18 16 3 3 0
23 9 -18 17 17 3 3 0
24 32 rr 1 16 18 3 3 0
25 23 1 16 17 4 4 0
26 2 1 16 16 5 5 0
27 11 rr -15 16 15 6 6 0
28 26 rr 5 15 16 6 6 0
29 27 5 15 15 7 7 0
30 12 rr -10 15 14 8 8 0
31 26 rr -25 15 13 9 9 0
32 1 -25 15 12 10 10 0
33 1 -25 15 12 10 9 1
34 7 -25 15 12 10 8 2
35 25 -25 14 13 10 8 2
36 19 rr -3 13 14 10 8 2
37 22 -3 13 13 11 9 2
38 14 rr -16 13 12 12 10 2
39 3 rr -29 13 11 13 11 2
40 15 nr -4 13 10 14 12 2
41 16 -4 12 11 14 12 2
42 14 rr -16 12 11 14 11 3
43 29 rr 8 11 12 14 11 3
44 1 nr -4 11 12 14 11 3
45 14 nr -16 11 12 14 11 3
46 4 nr -28 10 13 14 11 3
47 28 -28 10 12 15 12 3
48 27 nr -40 10 12 15 11 4
49 29 nr -16 10 11 16 12 4
50 5 -16 10 10 17 13 4
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 08, 2008, 11:06:36 AM
Touchbet wiesbaden T8

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 12 36 1 0 0 0
2 36 35 2 0 0 0
3 0 34 3 0 0 0
4 5 33 4 0 0 0
5 15 32 5 0 0 0
6 22 31 6 0 0 0
7 22 31 5 1 1 0
8 32 30 6 1 1 0
9 16 29 7 1 1 0
10 21 28 8 1 1 0
11 28 27 9 1 1 0
12 15 27 8 2 2 0
13 35 26 9 2 2 0
14 27 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 17 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 36 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 26 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 16 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 3 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 36 0 22 11 4 3 1
21 16 0 22 11 4 2 2
22 32 0 22 10 5 3 2
23 2 0 21 11 5 3 2
24 13 0 20 12 5 3 2
25 30 0 19 13 5 3 2
26 36 0 19 13 5 3 2
27 13 0 19 12 6 4 2
28 27 0 19 11 7 5 2
29 31 0 18 12 7 5 2
30 8 0 17 13 7 5 2
31 18 0 16 14 7 5 2
32 18 0 16 13 8 6 2
33 26 0 16 12 9 7 2
34 23 0 15 13 9 7 2
35 4 0 14 14 9 7 2
36 2 rr -14 14 13 10 8 2
37 28 rr -28 14 12 11 9 2
38 3 nr -4 14 11 12 10 2
39 32 -4 14 11 12 9 3
40 36 -4 14 11 12 9 3
41 35 -4 14 10 13 10 3
42 0 nr 22 14 9 14 11 3
43 33 22 13 10 14 11 3
44 25 22 12 11 14 11 3
45 13 rr 10 12 11 14 10 4
46 22 rr -2 12 11 14 9 5
47 32 rr -14 12 11 14 9 5
48 7 -14 11 12 14 9 5
49 35 -14 11 12 14 8 6
50 2 -14 11 12 14 7 7


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
   ,   36   ,   26   ,   -10   ,   52
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 09, 2008, 07:13:58 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 31 36 1 0 0 0
2 13 35 2 0 0 0
3 5 34 3 0 0 0
4 12 33 4 0 0 0
5 20 32 5 0 0 0
6 8 31 6 0 0 0
7 17 30 7 0 0 0
8 9 29 8 0 0 0
9 1 28 9 0 0 0
10 36 27 10 0 0 0
11 16 26 11 0 0 0
12 28 25 12 0 0 0
13 2 24 13 0 0 0
14 31 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 18 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 35 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 28 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 26 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 1 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 36 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 8 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 17 0 21 10 6 6 0
23 13 0 21 9 7 7 0
24 2 0 21 8 8 8 0
25 24 0 20 9 8 8 0
26 4 0 19 10 8 8 0
27 2 0 19 10 8 7 1
28 13 0 19 10 8 6 2
29 24 nr 26 19 9 9 7 2
30 16 26 19 8 10 8 2
31 20 26 19 7 11 9 2
32 19 26 18 8 11 9 2
33 20 26 18 8 11 8 3
34 5 26 18 7 12 9 3
35 8 26 18 7 12 8 4
36 30 26 17 8 12 8 4
37 36 26 17 8 12 7 5
38 22 26 16 9 12 7 5
39 4 26 16 8 13 8 5
40 22 26 16 7 14 9 5
41 2 26 16 7 14 9 5
42 14 26 15 8 14 9 5
43 36 26 15 8 14 9 5
44 34 rr 47 14 9 14 9 5
45 3 47 13 10 14 9 5
46 1 47 13 10 14 8 6
47 12 47 13 9 15 9 6
48 7 47 12 10 15 9 6
49 28 47 12 10 15 8 7
50 34 47 12 9 16 9 7
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 09, 2008, 11:00:43 AM
Live Wheel Wiesbaden T3

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 5 36 1 0 0 0
2 29 35 2 0 0 0
3 28 34 3 0 0 0
4 29 34 2 1 1 0
5 35 33 3 1 1 0
6 0 32 4 1 1 0
7 34 31 5 1 1 0
8 7 30 6 1 1 0
9 30 29 7 1 1 0
10 19 28 8 1 1 0
11 28 28 7 2 2 0
12 16 27 8 2 2 0
13 23 26 9 2 2 0
14 17 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 0 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 5 0 25 8 4 4 0
17 31 0 24 9 4 4 0
18 17 0 24 8 5 5 0
19 36 0 23 9 5 5 0
20 5 0 23 9 5 4 1
21 30 0 23 8 6 5 1
22 33 0 22 9 6 5 1
23 36 0 22 8 7 6 1
24 21 0 21 9 7 6 1
25 4 0 20 10 7 6 1
26 33 0 20 9 8 7 1
27 8 0 19 10 8 7 1
28 23 0 19 9 9 8 1
29 13 0 18 10 9 8 1
30 7 nr 26 18 9 10 9 1
31 12 26 17 10 10 9 1
32 27 nr 16 16 11 10 9 1
33 4 nr 41 16 10 11 10 1
34 12 41 16 9 12 11 1
35 23 41 16 9 12 10 2
36 15 41 15 10 12 10 2
37 23 nr 31 15 10 12 10 2
38 6 nr 21 14 11 12 10 2
39 22 nr 10 13 12 12 10 2
40 0 rr -3 13 12 12 9 3
41 18 rr 20 12 13 12 9 3
42 21 nr 43 12 12 13 10 3
43 19 rr 31 12 11 14 11 3
44 24 rr 55 11 12 14 11 3
45 14 nr 43 10 13 14 11 3
46 32 43 9 14 14 11 3
47 5 nr 29 9 14 14 11 3
48 25 nr 15 8 15 14 11 3
49 1 15 7 16 14 11 3
50 30 15 7 16 14 10 4
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 09, 2008, 11:02:11 AM
Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 9 36 1 0 0 0
2 21 35 2 0 0 0
3 27 34 3 0 0 0
4 15 33 4 0 0 0
5 5 32 5 0 0 0
6 9 32 4 1 1 0
7 32 31 5 1 1 0
8 0 30 6 1 1 0
9 23 29 7 1 1 0
10 26 28 8 1 1 0
11 12 27 9 1 1 0
12 28 26 10 1 1 0
13 15 26 9 2 2 0
14 8 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 28 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 19 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 35 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 4 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 3 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 36 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 22 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 35 0 19 14 4 4 0
23 12 0 19 13 5 5 0
24 14 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 12 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 10 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 9 0 17 15 5 3 2
28 32 0 17 14 6 4 2
29 12 0 17 14 6 4 2
30 9 0 17 14 6 4 2
31 16 0 16 15 6 4 2
32 11 rr 20 15 16 6 4 2
33 3 20 15 15 7 5 2
34 25 rr 41 14 16 7 5 2
35 35 41 14 16 7 4 3
36 14 41 14 15 8 5 3
37 34 41 13 16 8 5 3
38 23 41 13 15 9 6 3
39 35 41 13 15 9 6 3
40 25 41 13 14 10 7 3
41 12 41 13 14 10 7 3
42 25 41 13 14 10 6 4
43 23 41 13 14 10 5 5
44 28 fr 72 13 14 10 4 6
45 6 72 12 15 10 4 6
46 24 72 11 16 10 4 6
47 10 72 11 15 11 5 6
48 24 rr 61 11 14 12 6 6
49 26 61 11 13 13 7 6
50 5 nr 84 11 12 14 8 6


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   83   ,   110   ,   5   ,   198
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 10, 2008, 08:22:48 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 22 36 1 0 0 0
2 36 35 2 0 0 0
3 22 35 1 1 1 0
4 6 34 2 1 1 0
5 35 33 3 1 1 0
6 36 33 2 2 2 0
7 29 32 3 2 2 0
8 10 31 4 2 2 0
9 12 30 5 2 2 0
10 30 29 6 2 2 0
11 20 28 7 2 2 0
12 31 27 8 2 2 0
13 31 27 7 3 3 0
14 15 0 26 8 3 3 0
15 13 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 17 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 21 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 20 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 35 0 23 9 5 5 0
20 11 0 22 10 5 5 0
21 23 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 35 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 18 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 35 0 20 12 5 4 1
25 4 0 19 13 5 4 1
26 28 0 18 14 5 4 1
27 16 0 17 15 5 4 1
28 8 0 16 16 5 4 1
29 24 rr 20 15 17 5 4 1
30 32 20 14 18 5 4 1
31 22 20 14 18 5 3 2
32 8 20 14 17 6 4 2
33 10 20 14 16 7 5 2
34 25 20 13 17 7 5 2
35 23 20 13 16 8 6 2
36 12 20 13 15 9 7 2
37 17 20 13 14 10 8 2
38 35 20 13 14 10 8 2
39 0 20 12 15 10 8 2
40 9 rr 44 11 16 10 8 2
41 25 rr 33 11 15 11 9 2
42 29 rr 22 11 14 12 10 2
43 36 22 11 14 12 9 3
44 20 22 11 14 12 8 4
45 1 22 10 15 12 8 4
46 20 22 10 15 12 8 4
47 15 22 10 14 13 9 4
48 22 nr 8 10 14 13 9 4
49 14 nr -6 9 15 13 9 4
50 24 -6 9 14 14 10 4
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 10, 2008, 11:05:24 AM
Touchbet
in real I would have never played this way  ;D
Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 21 36 1 0 0 0
2 33 35 2 0 0 0
3 0 34 3 0 0 0
4 14 33 4 0 0 0
5 6 32 5 0 0 0
6 6 32 4 1 1 0
7 9 31 5 1 1 0
8 21 31 4 2 2 0
9 34 30 5 2 2 0
10 15 29 6 2 2 0
11 34 29 5 3 3 0
12 2 28 6 3 3 0
13 12 27 7 3 3 0
14 29 0 26 8 3 3 0
15 7 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 34 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 10 0 24 10 3 2 1
18 5 0 23 11 3 2 1
19 22 0 22 12 3 2 1
20 0 0 22 11 4 3 1
21 3 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 10 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 15 0 21 10 6 5 1
24 11 0 20 11 6 5 1
25 1 0 19 12 6 5 1
26 11 0 19 11 7 6 1
27 31 0 18 12 7 6 1
28 20 0 17 13 7 6 1
29 6 0 17 13 7 5 2
30 7 0 17 12 8 6 2
31 25 0 16 13 8 6 2
32 5 0 16 12 9 7 2
33 26 0 15 13 9 7 2
34 33 0 15 12 10 8 2
35 15 0 15 12 10 7 3
36 18 0 14 13 10 7 3
37 12 rr -14 14 12 11 8 3
38 24 nr -26 13 13 11 8 3
39 21 rr -39 13 13 11 7 4
40 15 rr -52 13 13 11 7 4
41 29 -52 13 12 12 8 4
42 16 nr -64 12 13 12 8 4
43 30 nr -77 11 14 12 8 4
44 17 -77 10 15 12 8 4
45 16 -77 10 14 13 9 4
46 32 rr -51 9 15 13 9 4
47 21 -51 9 15 13 9 4
48 26 -51 9 14 14 10 4
49 6 nr -65 9 14 14 10 4
50 12 nr -79 9 14 14 9 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 10, 2008, 11:16:04 AM
Live wheel

Look at it and you will find a fantastic bet-selection

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 36 36 1 0 0 0
2 7 35 2 0 0 0
3 21 34 3 0 0 0
4 25 33 4 0 0 0
5 16 32 5 0 0 0
6 32 31 6 0 0 0
7 3 30 7 0 0 0
8 29 29 8 0 0 0
9 2 28 9 0 0 0
10 14 27 10 0 0 0
11 4 26 11 0 0 0
12 19 25 12 0 0 0
13 25 25 11 1 1 0
14 22 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 4 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 2 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 35 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 5 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 17 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 1 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 3 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 6 0 19 14 4 4 0
23 19 0 19 13 5 5 0
24 23 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 6 0 18 13 6 6 0
26 17 0 18 12 7 7 0
27 36 0 18 11 8 8 0
28 26 0 17 12 8 8 0
29 30 0 16 13 8 8 0
30 20 0 15 14 8 8 0
31 10 rr 21 14 15 8 8 0
32 32 21 14 14 9 9 0
33 6 rr 7 14 14 9 8 1
34 11 rr 29 13 15 9 8 1
35 31 29 12 16 9 8 1
36 13 29 11 17 9 8 1
37 2 29 11 17 9 7 2
38 25 29 11 17 9 6 3
39 10 29 11 16 10 7 3
40 30 rr 18 11 15 11 8 3
41 30 rr 7 11 15 11 7 4
42 20 rr -4 11 14 12 8 4
43 24 -4 10 15 12 8 4
44 18 -4 9 16 12 8 4
45 26 nr 16 9 15 13 9 4
46 31 nr 37 9 14 14 10 4
47 22 nr 59 9 13 15 11 4
48 16 59 9 12 16 12 4
49 17 nr 47 9 12 16 11 5
50 11 nr 71 9 11 17 12 5


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   77   ,   31   ,   76   ,   184
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 10, 2008, 11:20:55 AM
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1221056409.png&hash=67e8e1dfebfd11dd37ee6fd7358ba50718cdc5a2)

bankroll after 7 days 3 games a day
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 10, 2008, 11:55:33 AM
OK

Can't keep ignoring the man.  Must test!

Sam

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 11, 2008, 07:14:38 AM
RNG (nice Recovery)


Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 2 36 1 0 0 0
2 4 35 2 0 0 0
3 0 34 3 0 0 0
4 35 33 4 0 0 0
5 11 32 5 0 0 0
6 15 31 6 0 0 0
7 28 30 7 0 0 0
8 32 29 8 0 0 0
9 0 29 7 1 1 0
10 15 29 6 2 2 0
11 27 28 7 2 2 0
12 34 27 8 2 2 0
13 14 26 9 2 2 0
14 20 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 3 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 33 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 9 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 34 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 31 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 16 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 8 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 0 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 24 0 18 16 3 2 1
24 12 0 17 17 3 2 1
25 31 rr -17 17 16 4 3 1
26 2 rr -34 17 15 5 4 1
27 1 -34 16 16 5 4 1
28 12 rr -50 16 15 6 5 1
29 20 rr -66 16 14 7 6 1
30 0 -66 16 14 7 6 1
31 32 -66 16 13 8 7 1
32 4 -66 16 12 9 8 1
33 18 -66 15 13 9 8 1
34 19 -66 14 14 9 8 1
35 28 rr -80 14 13 10 9 1
36 29 rr -58 13 14 10 9 1
37 36 -58 12 15 10 9 1
38 31 -58 12 15 10 8 2
39 18 -58 12 14 11 9 2
40 9 rr -70 12 13 12 10 2
41 31 rr -82 12 13 12 10 2
42 30 rr -58 11 14 12 10 2
43 31 -58 11 14 12 10 2
44 2 -58 11 14 12 9 3
45 3 -58 11 13 13 10 3
46 0 nr -71 11 13 13 10 3
47 30 nr -48 11 12 14 11 3
48 29 nr -24 11 11 15 12 3
49 15 rr -35 11 11 15 11 4
50 22 rr -10 10 12 15 11 4
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 11, 2008, 08:20:24 AM
hey Winkel, great results so far... As I can see you actualy bet every trigger so there is no human factor involved.. am I right?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 11, 2008, 10:10:07 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 11, 2008, 11:02:09 AM
Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 15 36 1 0 0 0
2 17 35 2 0 0 0
3 12 34 3 0 0 0
4 0 33 4 0 0 0
5 11 32 5 0 0 0
6 5 31 6 0 0 0
7 14 30 7 0 0 0
8 35 29 8 0 0 0
9 3 28 9 0 0 0
10 4 27 10 0 0 0
11 14 27 9 1 1 0
12 24 26 10 1 1 0
13 9 25 11 1 1 0
14 15 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 24 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 22 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 1 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 14 0 23 11 3 2 1
19 6 0 22 12 3 2 1
20 20 0 21 13 3 2 1
21 20 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 1 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 3 0 21 10 6 5 1
24 35 0 21 9 7 6 1
25 21 0 20 10 7 6 1
26 27 0 19 11 7 6 1
27 35 0 19 11 7 5 2
28 0 0 19 10 8 6 2
29 25 0 18 11 8 6 2
30 18 0 17 12 8 6 2
31 12 0 17 11 9 7 2
32 8 0 16 12 9 7 2
33 4 0 16 11 10 8 2
34 25 nr 25 16 10 11 9 2
35 2 nr 15 15 11 11 9 2
36 22 nr 40 15 10 12 10 2
37 28 nr 30 14 11 12 10 2
38 31 nr 19 13 12 12 10 2
39 22 rr 6 13 12 12 9 3
40 3 rr -7 13 12 12 8 4
41 34 nr -19 12 13 12 8 4
42 4 nr -32 12 13 12 7 5
43 32 rr -8 11 14 12 7 5
44 5 -8 11 13 13 8 5
45 0 nr -21 11 13 13 7 6
46 33 nr -34 10 14 13 7 6
47 10 -34 9 15 13 7 6
48 19 -34 8 16 13 7 6
49 29 rr -6 7 17 13 7 6
50 27 rr -13 7 16 14 8 6
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 11, 2008, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on September 11, 2008, 08:20:24 AM
hey Winkel, great results so far... As I can see you actualy bet every trigger so there is no human factor involved.. am I right?

sorry, if there are two triggers at the same time I have to decide.

But when you look here nolinks://nolinks.sbwb.de/DE/621/Permanenzen2.php (nolinks://nolinks.sbwb.de/DE/621/Permanenzen2.php) you can see the numbers coming up like on a marquee. and so my decisions are likely like in a live play.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 11, 2008, 11:16:07 AM
Live Wheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 28 36 1 0 0 0
2 7 35 2 0 0 0
3 35 34 3 0 0 0
4 18 33 4 0 0 0
5 31 32 5 0 0 0
6 18 32 4 1 1 0
7 7 32 3 2 2 0
8 34 31 4 2 2 0
9 35 31 3 3 3 0
10 10 30 4 3 3 0
11 16 29 5 3 3 0
12 20 28 6 3 3 0
13 7 28 6 3 2 1
14 15 0 27 7 3 2 1
15 0 0 26 8 3 2 1
16 28 0 26 7 4 3 1
17 14 0 25 8 4 3 1
18 12 0 24 9 4 3 1
19 5 0 23 10 4 3 1
20 14 0 23 9 5 4 1
21 32 0 22 10 5 4 1
22 7 0 22 10 5 4 1
23 35 0 22 10 5 3 2
24 13 0 21 11 5 3 2
25 17 0 20 12 5 3 2
26 10 0 20 11 6 4 2
27 3 0 19 12 6 4 2
28 7 0 19 12 6 4 2
29 10 0 19 12 6 3 3
30 26 0 18 13 6 3 3
31 11 0 17 14 6 3 3
32 20 0 17 13 7 4 3
33 7 0 17 13 7 4 3
34 33 0 16 14 7 4 3
35 17 0 16 13 8 5 3
36 21 0 15 14 8 5 3
37 9 rr 21 14 15 8 5 3
38 28 21 14 15 8 4 4
39 6 21 13 16 8 4 4
40 29 21 12 17 8 4 4
41 35 21 12 17 8 4 4
42 21 21 12 16 9 5 4
43 0 21 12 15 10 6 4
44 9 21 12 14 11 7 4
45 34 21 12 13 12 8 4
46 3 nr 44 12 12 13 9 4
47 9 rr 32 12 12 13 8 5
48 31 rr 20 12 11 14 9 5
49 6 rr 8 12 10 15 10 5
50 21 nr -2 12 10 15 9 6


as you can see in Touchbet and LiveWheel it is idiotic to play after +40
[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   67   ,   18   ,   74   ,   159
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 11, 2008, 03:17:54 PM
my practice run on GUT based on airball spins
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 12, 2008, 07:14:04 AM
RNG

[highlight]remark: This is a very clinical way of testing. I bet all crossings and don´t stop, when it is recommended either win or loose[/highlight]


Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr Anzahl Zähler G u V -45 lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 19 36 1 0 0 0
2 0 Hub 35 2 0 0 0
3 6 34 3 0 0 0
4 4 33 4 0 0 0
5 31 1000 32 5 0 0 0
6 35 31 6 0 0 0
7 24 30 7 0 0 0
8 23 Wert eingeben! 29 8 0 0 0
9 13 28 9 0 0 0
10 2 27 10 0 0 0
11 30 26 11 0 0 0
12 21 25 12 0 0 0
13 26 24 13 0 0 0
14 23 0 1 / 0 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 1 0 0 0 / 0 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 3 0 0 0 / 0 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 19 0 0 1 / 0 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 11 0 0 0 / 0 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 4 0 0 1 / 0 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 15 0 0 0 / 0 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 21 0 0 1 / 0 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 11 0 0 0 / 0 0 20 12 5 5 0
23 17 0 0 0 / 0 0 19 13 5 5 0
24 36 0 0 0 / 0 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 12 0 0 0 / 0 0 17 15 5 5 0
26 0 0 1 / 0 0 17 14 6 6 0
27 15 0 0 1 / 0 0 17 13 7 7 0
28 28 0 0 0 / 0 0 16 14 7 7 0
29 6 0 0 1 / 0 0 16 13 8 8 0
30 29 0 0 0 / 0 0 15 14 8 8 0
31 11 rr 15 2 V -15 -15 15 14 8 7 1
32 11 rr 15 3 V -15 -30 15 14 8 7 1
33 33 0 0 / 0 -30 14 15 8 7 1
34 7 0 0 / 0 -30 13 16 8 7 1
35 5 0 0 / 0 -30 12 17 8 7 1
36 33 0 0 / 0 -30 12 16 9 8 1
37 28 0 0 / 0 -30 12 15 10 9 1
38 22 0 0 / 0 -30 11 16 10 9 1
39 32 rr 11 0 G 25 -5 10 17 10 9 1
40 28 rr 10 2 V -10 -15 10 17 10 8 2
41 17 rr 10 1 V -10 -25 10 16 11 9 2
42 0 rr 10 2 V -10 -35 10 16 11 8 3
43 30 0 1 / 0 -35 10 15 12 9 3
44 24 0 1 / 0 -35 10 14 13 10 3
45 23 nr 14 2 V -14 -49 10 14 13 9 4
46 16 nr 14 0 V -14 -63 9 15 13 9 4
47 24 rr 9 2 V -9 -72 9 15 13 8 5
48 18 rr 9 0 G 27 -45 8 16 13 8 5
49 9 0 0 / 0 -45 7 17 13 8 5
50 27 0 0 / 0 -45 6 18 13 8 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 12, 2008, 10:59:26 AM
live wheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 24 36 1 0 0 0
2 23 35 2 0 0 0
3 5 34 3 0 0 0
4 34 33 4 0 0 0
5 33 32 5 0 0 0
6 17 31 6 0 0 0
7 21 30 7 0 0 0
8 10 29 8 0 0 0
9 10 29 7 1 1 0
10 15 28 8 1 1 0
11 1 27 9 1 1 0
12 2 26 10 1 1 0
13 16 25 11 1 1 0
14 15 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 10 0 25 10 2 1 1
16 14 0 24 11 2 1 1
17 33 0 24 10 3 2 1
18 19 0 23 11 3 2 1
19 0 0 22 12 3 2 1
20 13 0 21 13 3 2 1
21 30 0 20 14 3 2 1
22 19 0 20 13 4 3 1
23 24 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 28 0 19 13 5 4 1
25 24 0 19 13 5 3 2
26 9 0 18 14 5 3 2
27 30 0 18 13 6 4 2
28 16 0 18 12 7 5 2
29 0 0 18 11 8 6 2
30 32 0 17 12 8 6 2
31 2 0 17 11 9 7 2
32 13 0 17 10 10 8 2
33 11 nr -10 16 11 10 8 2
34 7 nr -21 15 12 10 8 2
35 32 -21 15 11 11 9 2
36 31 nr -32 14 12 11 9 2
37 24 nr -44 14 12 11 9 2
38 3 nr -56 13 13 11 9 2
39 29 rr -33 12 14 11 9 2
40 36 rr -9 11 15 11 9 2
41 27 rr 16 10 16 11 9 2
42 23 16 10 15 12 10 2
43 30 16 10 15 12 9 3
44 19 16 10 15 12 8 4
45 8 16 9 16 12 8 4
46 13 16 9 16 12 7 5
47 8 16 9 15 13 8 5
48 23 16 9 15 13 7 6
49 9 16 9 14 14 8 6
50 8 nr 2 9 14 14 7 7
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 12, 2008, 11:01:34 AM
touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 7 36 1 0 0 0
2 7 36 0 1 1 0
3 1 35 1 1 1 0
4 2 34 2 1 1 0
5 22 33 3 1 1 0
6 4 32 4 1 1 0
7 32 31 5 1 1 0
8 29 30 6 1 1 0
9 26 29 7 1 1 0
10 32 29 6 2 2 0
11 8 28 7 2 2 0
12 5 27 8 2 2 0
13 34 26 9 2 2 0
14 29 0 26 8 3 3 0
15 2 0 26 7 4 4 0
16 29 0 26 7 4 3 1
17 24 0 25 8 4 3 1
18 5 0 25 7 5 4 1
19 32 0 25 7 5 3 2
20 1 0 25 6 6 4 2
21 26 0 25 5 7 5 2
22 3 0 24 6 7 5 2
23 33 0 23 7 7 5 2
24 2 0 23 7 7 4 3
25 14 0 22 8 7 4 3
26 27 0 21 9 7 4 3
27 19 0 20 10 7 4 3
28 8 0 20 9 8 5 3
29 17 0 19 10 8 5 3
30 35 0 18 11 8 5 3
31 12 0 17 12 8 5 3
32 9 0 16 13 8 5 3
33 29 0 16 13 8 5 3
34 17 0 16 12 9 6 3
35 13 0 15 13 9 6 3
36 5 0 15 13 9 5 4
37 21 0 14 14 9 5 4
38 22 rr -14 14 13 10 6 4
39 7 rr -28 14 13 10 5 5
40 24 -28 14 12 11 6 5
41 6 nr -40 13 13 11 6 5
42 30 rr -17 12 14 11 6 5
43 33 rr -29 12 13 12 7 5
44 26 rr -41 12 13 12 6 6
45 29 nr -54 12 13 12 6 6
46 27 nr -31 12 12 13 7 6
47 4 rr -43 12 11 14 8 6
48 31 rr -19 11 12 14 8 6
49 21 -19 11 11 15 9 6
50 30 rr -30 11 10 16 10 6


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   22   ,   -12   ,   76   ,   86
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 12, 2008, 11:01:51 AM
Total: +84
Picture attached
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 12, 2008, 12:48:03 PM
real session, end result: +21
total: +105
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 12, 2008, 01:36:33 PM
as the test is clinical I made two lists with rules:

1. List: stopp >39 or stopp <-39
2. List: stopp >39 and if loss try to recover by playing til the end

[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   19   ,   -91   ,   30   ,      ,   
1   ,   -49   ,   -40   ,   41   ,   -48   ,   -48
2   ,   -40   ,   46   ,   -26   ,   -20   ,   -68
3   ,   59   ,   -41   ,   -44   ,   -26   ,   -94
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11   ,   -105
5   ,   -40   ,   -14   ,   -40   ,   -94   ,   -199
6   ,   47   ,   41   ,   41   ,   129   ,   -70
7   ,   44   ,   -52   ,   59   ,   51   ,   -19
8   ,   -50   ,   40   ,   44   ,   34   ,   15
9   ,   27   ,   -40   ,   -44   ,   -57   ,   -42
[/table]                              
[table=,]                              
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   49   ,   -33   ,   122   ,      ,   
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   41   ,   46   ,   46
2   ,   -17   ,   46   ,   -26   ,   3   ,   49
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6   ,   43
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11   ,   32
5   ,   -18   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -48   ,   -16
6   ,   47   ,   41   ,   41   ,   129   ,   113
7   ,   44   ,   -79   ,   59   ,   24   ,   137
8   ,   -10   ,   40   ,   44   ,   74   ,   211
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73   ,   138
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: bobco on September 12, 2008, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: winkel on September 12, 2008, 01:36:33 PM
as the test is clinical I made two lists with rules:

1. List: stopp >39 or stopp <-39

[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   19   ,   -91   ,   30   ,      ,   
1   ,   -49   ,   -40   ,   41   ,   -48   ,   -48
2   ,   -40   ,   46   ,   -26   ,   -20   ,   -68
3   ,   59   ,   -41   ,   -44   ,   -26   ,   -94
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11   ,   -105
5   ,   -40   ,   -14   ,   -40   ,   -94   ,   -199
6   ,   47   ,   41   ,   41   ,   129   ,   -70
7   ,   44   ,   -52   ,   59   ,   51   ,   -19
8   ,   -50   ,   40   ,   44   ,   34   ,   15
9   ,   27   ,   -40   ,   -44   ,   -57   ,   -42
[/table]                              
[table=,]   

2. List: stopp >39 and if loss try to recover by playing til the end                           
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   49   ,   -33   ,   122   ,      ,   
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   41   ,   46   ,   46
2   ,   -17   ,   46   ,   -26   ,   3   ,   49
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6   ,   43
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11   ,   32
5   ,   -18   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -48   ,   -16
6   ,   47   ,   41   ,   41   ,   129   ,   113
7   ,   44   ,   -79   ,   59   ,   24   ,   137
8   ,   -10   ,   40   ,   44   ,   74   ,   211
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73   ,   138
[/table]

Is this correct understood?  I mean the first list was stopp >39 or stopp <-39 and the second was this  2. List: stopp >39 and if loss try to recover by playing til the end?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 12, 2008, 02:21:39 PM
Correct;

the both lists show that this strategie is able to recover losses. Flat bet no progression needed.

And it shows that it is better to stopp and jump back at a win of about 40units

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 12, 2008, 04:25:22 PM
"The end" being around 50 spins?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 12, 2008, 05:01:19 PM
in the test exactly spin 50! as far there are crossings

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 13, 2008, 11:04:13 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 7 36 1 0 0 0
2 16 35 2 0 0 0
3 19 34 3 0 0 0
4 35 33 4 0 0 0
5 32 32 5 0 0 0
6 36 31 6 0 0 0
7 14 30 7 0 0 0
8 27 29 8 0 0 0
9 11 28 9 0 0 0
10 1 27 10 0 0 0
11 3 26 11 0 0 0
12 32 26 10 1 1 0
13 5 25 11 1 1 0
14 1 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 27 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 19 0 25 8 4 4 0
17 22 0 24 9 4 4 0
18 29 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 26 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 9 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 21 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 7 0 20 12 5 5 0
23 26 0 20 11 6 6 0
24 3 0 20 10 7 7 0
25 17 0 19 11 7 7 0
26 30 0 18 12 7 7 0
27 22 0 18 11 8 8 0
28 29 0 18 10 9 9 0
29 25 0 17 11 9 9 0
30 33 0 16 12 9 9 0
31 33 0 16 11 10 10 0
32 22 0 16 11 10 9 1
33 6 0 15 12 10 9 1
34 8 rr 21 14 13 10 9 1
35 4 21 13 14 10 9 1
36 5 21 13 13 11 10 1
37 25 rr 8 13 12 12 11 1
38 34 rr 31 12 13 12 11 1
39 15 31 11 14 12 11 1
40 7 rr 20 11 14 12 10 2
41 15 rr 9 11 13 13 11 2
42 13 rr 34 10 14 13 11 2
43 1 34 10 14 13 10 3
44 8 nr 56 10 13 14 11 3
45 32 56 10 13 14 10 4
46 7 rr 46 10 13 14 10 4
47 6 rr 36 10 12 15 11 4
48 1 rr 26 10 12 15 11 4
49 29 26 10 12 15 10 5
50 36 26 10 11 16 11 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 13, 2008, 11:04:57 AM
touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 3 36 1 0 0 0
2 11 35 2 0 0 0
3 26 34 3 0 0 0
4 4 33 4 0 0 0
5 35 32 5 0 0 0
6 31 31 6 0 0 0
7 18 30 7 0 0 0
8 6 29 8 0 0 0
9 27 28 9 0 0 0
10 25 27 10 0 0 0
11 10 26 11 0 0 0
12 20 25 12 0 0 0
13 9 24 13 0 0 0
14 24 0 23 14 0 0 0
15 24 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 4 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 28 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 34 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 33 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 10 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 19 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 5 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 19 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 10 0 18 15 4 3 1
25 19 0 18 15 4 2 2
26 4 0 18 15 4 1 3
27 34 0 18 14 5 2 3
28 12 0 17 15 5 2 3
29 12 0 17 14 6 3 3
30 12 0 17 14 6 2 4
31 27 0 17 13 7 3 4
32 23 0 16 14 7 3 4
33 31 0 16 13 8 4 4
34 1 0 15 14 8 4 4
35 0 rr 21 14 15 8 4 4
36 24 21 14 15 8 3 5
37 13 21 13 16 8 3 5
38 26 21 13 15 9 4 5
39 3 21 13 14 10 5 5
40 17 21 12 15 10 5 5
41 18 21 12 14 11 6 5
42 11 rr 9 12 13 12 7 5
43 25 nr 32 12 12 13 8 5
44 34 rr 20 12 12 13 7 6
45 21 rr 44 11 13 13 7 6
46 33 nr 67 11 12 14 8 6
47 26 67 11 12 14 7 7
48 6 67 11 11 15 8 7
49 13 rr 56 11 10 16 9 7
50 36 rr 81 10 11 16 9 7
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 13, 2008, 11:26:31 AM
Live Wheel

[highlight]as you can see here: the first crossing 17-17 is much to early to play[/highlight]

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 33 36 1 0 0 0
2 21 35 2 0 0 0
3 30 34 3 0 0 0
4 12 33 4 0 0 0
5 11 32 5 0 0 0
6 31 31 6 0 0 0
7 8 30 7 0 0 0
8 9 29 8 0 0 0
9 31 29 7 1 1 0
10 1 28 8 1 1 0
11 1 28 7 2 2 0
12 20 27 8 2 2 0
13 16 26 9 2 2 0
14 22 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 25 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 14 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 34 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 19 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 1 0 21 14 2 1 1
20 18 0 20 15 2 1 1
21 29 0 19 16 2 1 1
22 18 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 13 0 18 16 3 2 1
24 36 0 17 17 3 2 1
25 1 rr -17 17 17 3 2 1
26 18 rr -34 17 17 3 1 2
27 2 -34 16 18 3 1 2
28 32 -34 15 19 3 1 2
29 32 -34 15 18 4 2 2
30 25 -34 15 17 5 3 2
31 3 -34 14 18 5 3 2
32 23 -34 13 19 5 3 2
33 14 -34 13 18 6 4 2
34 11 -34 13 17 7 5 2
35 26 -34 12 18 7 5 2
36 29 -34 12 17 8 6 2
37 8 -34 12 16 9 7 2
38 28 -34 11 17 9 7 2
39 19 -34 11 16 10 8 2
40 23 rr -45 11 15 11 9 2
41 0 rr -20 10 16 11 9 2
42 5 -20 9 17 11 9 2
43 20 -20 9 16 12 10 2
44 3 -20 9 15 13 11 2
45 33 -20 9 14 14 12 2
46 35 nr -34 8 15 14 12 2
47 33 nr -49 8 15 14 11 3
48 0 -49 8 14 15 12 3
49 31 -49 8 14 15 11 4
50 25 -49 8 14 15 10 5


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   48   ,   69   ,   27   ,   144
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 13, 2008, 03:11:48 PM
Hey Winkel I want to take this system test on another level.. Would you type main points how to decide when you decide that it is too risky to bet and when it is safest to bet..

currently system is running on +105u I am testing with hamburg spins on RX
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 13, 2008, 04:09:50 PM
Excellent idea, Boo

I am testing it, too and finding I don't know when to bet.

Droidman has new software.  Yea!!

I know all the hints are in this thread, but I can't seem to find them.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 13, 2008, 04:21:42 PM
I answered in the Original Thread
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 14, 2008, 07:50:52 AM
This session I played with optimised rules
Bankrol results:
-7
+36=+29
-10=+19
-10=+9
-14=-5
+36=+31
-12=+19
-13=+6
-13=-7
+36=+29

Total result: +134
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 14, 2008, 11:02:36 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 18 36 1 0 0 0
2 15 35 2 0 0 0
3 5 34 3 0 0 0
4 1 33 4 0 0 0
5 30 32 5 0 0 0
6 26 31 6 0 0 0
7 14 30 7 0 0 0
8 9 29 8 0 0 0
9 0 28 9 0 0 0
10 34 27 10 0 0 0
11 0 27 9 1 1 0
12 8 26 10 1 1 0
13 28 25 11 1 1 0
14 28 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 20 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 27 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 14 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 32 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 6 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 24 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 33 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 19 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 32 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 25 0 17 16 4 4 0
25 20 rr -17 17 15 5 5 0
26 30 -17 17 14 6 6 0
27 16 -17 16 15 6 6 0
28 24 rr -33 16 14 7 7 0
29 4 -33 15 15 7 7 0
30 5 rr -48 15 14 8 8 0
31 15 rr -63 15 13 9 9 0
32 10 -63 14 14 9 9 0
33 7 rr -41 13 15 9 9 0
34 24 -41 13 15 9 8 1
35 14 -41 13 15 9 7 2
36 33 -41 13 14 10 8 2
37 35 -41 12 15 10 8 2
38 0 -41 12 15 10 7 3
39 35 -41 12 14 11 8 3
40 31 rr -17 11 15 11 8 3
41 60 rr 8 11 15 11 8 3
42 6 8 11 14 12 9 3
43 32 8 11 14 12 8 4
44 27 8 11 13 13 9 4
45 15 nr -5 11 13 13 8 5
46 15 nr -18 11 13 13 8 5
47 30 -18 11 13 13 7 6
48 17 fr -25 10 14 13 7 6
49 29 fr -32 9 15 13 7 6
50 32 fr -3 9 15 13 7 6
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 14, 2008, 11:03:22 AM
Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 1 36 1 0 0 0
2 0 35 2 0 0 0
3 35 34 3 0 0 0
4 1 34 2 1 1 0
5 5 33 3 1 1 0
6 27 32 4 1 1 0
7 7 31 5 1 1 0
8 6 30 6 1 1 0
9 3 29 7 1 1 0
10 19 28 8 1 1 0
11 6 28 7 2 2 0
12 15 27 8 2 2 0
13 6 27 8 2 1 1
14 21 0 26 9 2 1 1
15 12 0 25 10 2 1 1
16 27 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 6 0 25 9 3 2 1
18 4 0 24 10 3 2 1
19 32 0 23 11 3 2 1
20 0 0 23 10 4 3 1
21 9 0 22 11 4 3 1
22 7 0 22 10 5 4 1
23 9 0 22 9 6 5 1
24 27 0 22 9 6 4 2
25 1 0 22 9 6 3 3
26 22 0 21 10 6 3 3
27 7 0 21 10 6 2 4
28 12 0 21 9 7 3 4
29 19 0 21 8 8 4 4
30 11 0 20 9 8 4 4
31 18 0 19 10 8 4 4
32 19 0 19 10 8 3 5
33 26 0 18 11 8 3 5
34 25 0 17 12 8 3 5
35 13 0 16 13 8 3 5
36 17 0 15 14 8 3 5
37 9 rr -15 15 14 8 2 6
38 34 rr 6 14 15 8 2 6
39 31 6 13 16 8 2 6
40 14 6 12 17 8 2 6
41 4 6 12 16 9 3 6
42 17 6 12 15 10 4 6
43 11 6 12 14 11 5 6
44 17 rr -6 12 14 11 4 7
45 19 rr -18 12 14 11 4 7
46 31 rr -30 12 13 12 5 7
47 25 nr -7 12 12 13 6 7
48 28 rr 17 11 13 13 6 7
49 9 nr 4 11 13 13 6 7
50 33 nr -9 10 14 13 6 7
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 14, 2008, 11:17:23 AM
Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 23 36 1 0 0 0
2 1 35 2 0 0 0
3 21 34 3 0 0 0
4 27 33 4 0 0 0
5 36 32 5 0 0 0
6 32 31 6 0 0 0
7 1 31 5 1 1 0
8 13 30 6 1 1 0
9 5 29 7 1 1 0
10 15 28 8 1 1 0
11 4 27 9 1 1 0
12 26 26 10 1 1 0
13 18 25 11 1 1 0
14 27 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 15 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 1 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 14 0 24 10 3 2 1
18 4 0 24 9 4 3 1
19 11 0 23 10 4 3 1
20 21 0 23 9 5 4 1
21 24 0 22 10 5 4 1
22 18 0 22 9 6 5 1
23 13 0 22 8 7 6 1
24 1 nr -8 22 8 7 6 1
25 24 nr 20 22 7 8 7 1
26 36 20 22 6 9 8 1
27 35 20 21 7 9 8 1
28 0 20 20 8 9 8 1
29 8 20 19 9 9 8 1
30 27 nr 11 19 9 9 7 2
31 10 nr 2 18 10 9 7 2
32 5 nr 28 18 9 10 8 2
33 14 nr 55 18 8 11 9 2
34 14 55 18 8 11 8 3
35 16 nr 47 17 9 11 8 3
36 13 nr 38 17 9 11 7 4
37 35 nr 65 17 8 12 8 4
38 33 nr 57 16 9 12 8 4
39 11 nr 84 16 8 13 9 4
40 15 84 16 8 13 8 5
41 3 nr 76 15 9 13 8 5
42 3 nr 103 15 8 14 9 5
43 12 rr 124 14 9 14 9 5
44 6 rr 146 13 10 14 9 5
45 7 nr 136 12 11 14 9 5
46 26 rr 124 12 10 15 10 5
47 22 nr 114 11 11 15 10 5
48 23 nr 139 11 10 16 11 5
49 30 rr 164 10 11 16 11 5
50 4 nr 153 10 11 16 10 6


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   45   ,   60   ,   180   ,   285
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 14, 2008, 03:57:44 PM
-16
-16=-32
-15=-47
-15=-62
-14=-76
+36=-40
-10=-50
-10=-60
-11=-71
-11=-82
-12=-94
-13=-107
-13+36=-84
-12=-96
-12=-108

total:+26


Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on September 14, 2008, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on September 14, 2008, 03:57:44 PM
-16
-16=-32
-15=-47
-15=-62
-14=-76
+36=-40
-10=-50
-10=-60
-11=-71
-11=-82
-12=-94
-13=-107
-13+36=-84
-12=-96
-12=-108

total:+26




What's up with that?  That looks like an awful lot of Negatives?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 14, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
the numbers would be interesting!

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 14, 2008, 04:39:37 PM
numbers are attached in txt under main post :) I hopw they are all becouse I reseted in middle while having -40
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 14, 2008, 05:32:05 PM
Did you start new or did you jump back (how many spins?)

until minus 40 I´d played the same and jump at same situation.

br winkel


Edit;
as far as I can see: 4 "0" in a row and then cam crossing on "0" vs 2 with a very high "1"s

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 14, 2008, 05:50:20 PM
I jumped back :)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 14, 2008, 06:00:49 PM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on September 14, 2008, 05:50:20 PM
I jumped back :)

Yes,  but how far?

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 14, 2008, 06:26:38 PM
20 numbers back
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 15, 2008, 04:19:14 AM
Hi Boo-Ray

Your numbers:

first session:
Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr Anzahl Zähler G u V -40 lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 15 36 1 0 0 0
2 22 Hub 35 2 0 0 0
3 1 34 3 0 0 0
4 7 33 4 0 0 0
5 29 1000 32 5 0 0 0
6 29 32 4 1 1 0
7 15 32 3 2 2 0
8 33 Wert eingeben! 31 4 2 2 0
9 17 30 5 2 2 0
10 7 30 4 3 3 0
11 20 29 5 3 3 0
12 23 28 6 3 3 0
13 28 0 27 7 3 3 0
14 5 0 0 / 0 0 26 8 3 3 0
15 29 0 2 / 0 0 26 8 3 2 1
16 28 0 1 / 0 0 26 7 4 3 1
17 18 0 0 / 0 0 25 8 4 3 1
18 0 0 0 / 0 0 24 9 4 3 1
19 36 0 0 / 0 0 23 10 4 3 1
20 21 0 0 / 0 0 22 11 4 3 1
21 24 0 0 / 0 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 12 0 0 / 0 0 20 13 4 3 1
23 7 0 2 / 0 0 20 13 4 2 2
24 19 0 0 / 0 0 19 14 4 2 2
25 29 0 2 / 0 0 19 14 4 2 2
26 20 0 1 / 0 0 19 13 5 3 2
27 23 0 1 / 0 0 19 12 6 4 2
28 28 0 2 / 0 0 19 12 6 3 3
29 27 0 0 / 0 0 18 13 6 3 3
30 9 0 0 / 0 0 17 14 6 3 3
31 14 0 0 / 0 0 16 15 6 3 3
32 28 rr 16 3 V -16 -16 16 15 6 3 3
33 1 rr 16 1 V -16 -32 16 14 7 4 3
34 15 0 2 / 0 -32 16 14 7 3 4
35 27 0 0 / 0 -32 16 13 8 4 4
36 6 0 0 / 0 -32 15 14 8 4 4
37 20 rr 15 2 V -15 -47 15 14 8 3 5
38 12 rr 15 1 V -15 -62 15 13 9 4 5
39 32 0 0 / 0 -62 14 14 9 4 5
40 31 rr 14 0 G 22 -40 13 15 9 4 5


The Jump Back here is a good decision

if the play had went on there had been a slight win: (played with my test-rules -> every crossing)

Code Select
41 27 0 2 / 0 -40 13 15 9 3 6
42 8 0 0 / 0 -40 12 16 9 3 6
43 23 0 2 / 0 -40 12 16 9 2 7
44 34 0 0 / 0 -40 11 17 9 2 7
45 16 0 0 / 0 -40 10 18 9 2 7
46 3 rr 10 0 G 26 -14 9 19 9 2 7
47 6 rr 9 1 V -9 -23 9 18 10 3 7
48 6 0 1 / 0 -23 9 18 10 2 8
49 15 0 3 / 0 -23 9 18 10 2 8
50 33 0 1 / 0 -23 9 17 11 3 8


then you jumped back 20 numbers:

first version starting with spins: 21 24 12 7 (above spin Nr. 20)

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 21 36 1 0 0 0
2 24 35 2 0 0 0
3 12 34 3 0 0 0
4 7 33 4 0 0 0
5 19 32 5 0 0 0
6 29 31 6 0 0 0
7 20 30 7 0 0 0
8 23 29 8 0 0 0
9 28 28 9 0 0 0
10 27 27 10 0 0 0
11 9 26 11 0 0 0
12 14 25 12 0 0 0
13 28 25 11 1 1 0
14 1 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 15 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 27 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 6 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 20 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 12 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 32 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 31 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 27 0 20 13 4 3 1
23 8 0 19 14 4 3 1
24 23 0 19 13 5 4 1
25 34 0 18 14 5 4 1 "0"
26 16 0 17 15 5 4 1 "0"
27 3 0 16 16 5 4 1 "0" this a borderline: should i bet on 4th "0" ? I said Yes
28 6 rr -16 16 15 6 5 1 loss
29 6 rr -32 16 15 6 4 2 loss
30 15 -32 16 14 7 5 2
31 33 -32 15 15 7 5 2 here is definitely a bet
32 34 rr -47 15 14 8 6 2 loss
33 34 rr -62 15 14 8 5 3 loss
34 15 -62 15 14 8 4 4
35 33 -62 15 13 9 5 4
36 5 -62 14 14 9 5 4
37 14 rr -76 14 13 10 6 4 here is a decision to make: Do I bet three times on same Crossing "0"vs"1" bad decision
38 11 rr -54 13 14 10 6 4 win
39 16 -54 13 13 11 7 4 shall I start a bet directly after a win? Bad decision
40 19 rr -67 13 12 12 8 4 loss and double-crossing
41 0 rr -44 12 13 12 8 4 win and new crossing Should we bet on a winning-streak now? "1"vs">1"
42 11 nr -21 12 12 13 9 4 win new crossing on "0"vs"1" bad decision
43 22 rr 3 11 13 13 9 4 win new crossing "1"vs"2" Should we bet on a rythm?
44 26 3 10 14 13 9 4 loss and new crossing on same group
45 5 3 10 13 14 10 4 win and new on "0"vs"2" last hits: since spin 34: 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 shows another 0
46 1 rr -7 10 12 15 11 4 loss and new "1" vs "2" would be 3 "1"s in a row?
47 27 nr -19 10 12 15 11 4 (#27 is a "3" -> "4") that could have been awaited and crossing "1"vs"2" now rythm 1vs2?
48 29 nr 5 10 11 16 12 4 win no crossing
49 30 5 9 12 16 12 4 crossing "1"vs"2" again
50 23 nr -7 9 12 16 11 5 loss: see rythm 2 1 2
next number 31 had been a "1"



actually a bad streak again: I just wrote down my thoughts, it is not criticism on your bets.

2. version starting one number later (spin 21)

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 24 36 1 0 0 0
2 12 35 2 0 0 0
3 7 34 3 0 0 0
4 19 33 4 0 0 0
5 29 32 5 0 0 0
6 20 31 6 0 0 0
7 23 30 7 0 0 0
8 28 29 8 0 0 0
9 27 28 9 0 0 0
10 9 27 10 0 0 0
11 14 26 11 0 0 0
12 28 26 10 1 1 0
13 1 25 11 1 1 0
14 15 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 27 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 6 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 20 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 12 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 32 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 31 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 27 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 8 0 20 13 4 3 1
23 23 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 34 0 19 13 5 4 1
25 16 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 3 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 6 0 17 14 6 5 1
28 6 0 17 14 6 4 2
29 15 0 17 13 7 5 2
30 33 0 16 14 7 5 2
31 34 0 16 13 8 6 2
32 34 0 16 13 8 5 3
33 15 0 16 13 8 4 4
34 33 0 16 12 9 5 4
35 5 0 15 13 9 5 4
36 14 0 15 12 10 6 4
37 11 0 14 13 10 6 4
38 16 rr -14 14 12 11 7 4
39 19 -14 14 11 12 8 4
40 0 -14 13 12 12 8 4
41 11 rr -27 13 11 13 9 4
42 22 rr -4 12 12 13 9 4
43 26 rr 20 11 13 13 9 4
44 5 20 11 12 14 10 4
45 1 20 11 11 15 11 4
46 27 rr 9 11 11 15 11 4
47 29 rr -2 11 10 16 12 4
48 30 rr 23 10 11 16 12 4
49 23 23 10 11 16 11 5
50 31 23 10 10 17 12 5


here we had found a normal situation

Hope you see and learn: Even if your decision are wrong sometimes and you loose like this, You will always come back!

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 15, 2008, 04:23:22 AM
Thanks for example winkel, tricky numbers huh[smiley=2/worriedsmiley.gif]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 15, 2008, 04:25:20 AM
Even I don´t see every crossing  ;D :-[

second version there is a crossing in spin 40 a crossing "1"vs">1" that had won in spin 41
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 15, 2008, 09:30:25 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 19 36 1 0 0 0
2 34 35 2 0 0 0
3 20 34 3 0 0 0
4 1 33 4 0 0 0
5 19 33 3 1 1 0
6 30 32 4 1 1 0
7 3 31 5 1 1 0
8 32 30 6 1 1 0
9 1 30 5 2 2 0
10 21 29 6 2 2 0
11 29 28 7 2 2 0
12 11 27 8 2 2 0
13 3 27 7 3 3 0
14 11 0 27 6 4 4 0
15 8 0 26 7 4 4 0
16 22 0 25 8 4 4 0
17 16 0 24 9 4 4 0
18 22 0 24 8 5 5 0
19 18 0 23 9 5 5 0
20 15 0 22 10 5 5 0
21 17 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 18 0 21 10 6 6 0
23 5 0 20 11 6 6 0
24 26 0 19 12 6 6 0
25 36 0 18 13 6 6 0
26 25 0 17 14 6 6 0
27 11 0 17 14 6 5 1
28 35 0 16 15 6 5 1
29 23 rr 20 15 16 6 5 1
30 6 20 14 17 6 5 1
31 8 20 14 16 7 6 1
32 11 20 14 16 7 6 1
33 5 20 14 15 8 7 1
34 35 20 14 14 9 8 1
35 5 rr 6 14 14 9 7 2
36 16 rr -8 14 13 10 8 2
37 34 -8 14 12 11 9 2
38 35 nr -20 14 12 11 8 3
39 5 nr -32 14 12 11 8 3
40 2 nr -44 13 13 11 8 3
41 24 rr -21 12 14 11 8 3
42 14 rr 3 11 15 11 8 3
43 19 rr -8 11 15 11 7 4
44 12 rr 17 10 16 11 7 4
45 25 17 10 15 12 8 4
46 18 17 10 15 12 7 5
47 4 17 9 16 12 7 5
48 16 17 9 16 12 6 6
49 22 17 9 16 12 5 7
50 3 17 9 16 12 4 8
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 15, 2008, 11:01:24 AM
Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 16 36 1 0 0 0
2 0 35 2 0 0 0
3 31 34 3 0 0 0
4 16 34 2 1 1 0
5 27 33 3 1 1 0
6 13 32 4 1 1 0
7 20 31 5 1 1 0
8 23 30 6 1 1 0
9 26 29 7 1 1 0
10 4 28 8 1 1 0
11 33 27 9 1 1 0
12 35 26 10 1 1 0
13 19 25 11 1 1 0
14 33 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 14 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 16 0 24 11 2 1 1
17 22 0 23 12 2 1 1
18 3 0 22 13 2 1 1
19 33 0 22 13 2 0 2
20 35 0 22 12 3 1 2
21 30 0 21 13 3 1 2
22 24 0 20 14 3 1 2
23 24 0 20 13 4 2 2
24 24 0 20 13 4 1 3
25 9 0 19 14 4 1 3
26 21 0 18 15 4 1 3
27 27 0 18 14 5 2 3
28 5 0 17 15 5 2 3
29 31 0 17 14 6 3 3
30 9 0 17 13 7 4 3
31 26 0 17 12 8 5 3
32 27 0 17 12 8 4 4
33 24 0 17 12 8 4 4
34 23 0 17 11 9 5 4
35 35 0 17 11 9 4 5
36 14 0 17 10 10 5 5
37 21 nr 26 17 9 11 6 5
38 32 26 16 10 11 6 5
39 23 26 16 10 11 5 6
40 31 26 16 10 11 4 7
41 11 26 15 11 11 4 7
42 14 nr 15 15 11 11 3 8
43 35 nr 4 15 11 11 3 8
44 11 nr 29 15 10 12 4 8
45 36 29 14 11 12 4 8
46 24 29 14 11 12 4 8
47 26 29 14 11 12 3 9
48 30 29 14 10 13 4 9
49 19 rr 15 14 9 14 5 9
50 28 rr 37 13 10 14 5 9
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 15, 2008, 11:02:51 AM
Live wheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 17 36 1 0 0 0
2 26 35 2 0 0 0
3 34 34 3 0 0 0
4 3 33 4 0 0 0
5 24 32 5 0 0 0
6 6 31 6 0 0 0
7 8 30 7 0 0 0
8 15 29 8 0 0 0
9 25 28 9 0 0 0
10 16 27 10 0 0 0
11 4 26 11 0 0 0
12 36 25 12 0 0 0
13 10 24 13 0 0 0
14 20 0 23 14 0 0 0
15 22 0 22 15 0 0 0
16 31 0 21 16 0 0 0
17 8 0 21 15 1 1 0
18 22 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 32 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 26 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 21 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 11 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 36 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 11 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 13 0 17 15 5 5 0
26 36 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 12 0 16 16 5 4 1
28 29 rr 20 15 17 5 4 1
29 21 20 15 16 6 5 1
30 30 20 14 17 6 5 1
31 8 20 14 17 6 4 2
32 11 20 14 17 6 3 3
33 20 20 14 16 7 4 3
34 14 20 13 17 7 4 3
35 9 20 12 18 7 4 3
36 20 20 12 18 7 3 4
37 13 20 12 17 8 4 4
38 5 20 11 18 8 4 4
39 30 20 11 17 9 5 4
40 9 20 11 16 10 6 4
41 8 rr 9 11 16 10 6 4
42 26 rr -2 11 16 10 5 5
43 28 rr 23 10 17 10 5 5
44 12 rr 13 10 16 11 6 5
45 17 13 10 15 12 7 5
46 25 13 10 14 13 8 5
47 16 nr 35 10 13 14 9 5
48 25 rr 25 10 13 14 8 6
49 36 25 10 13 14 8 6
50 2 25 9 14 14 8 6


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   62   ,   97   ,   205   ,   364
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 16, 2008, 08:03:14 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 35 36 1 0 0 0
2 32 35 2 0 0 0
3 1 34 3 0 0 0
4 4 33 4 0 0 0
5 28 32 5 0 0 0
6 34 31 6 0 0 0
7 10 30 7 0 0 0
8 3 29 8 0 0 0
9 23 28 9 0 0 0
10 29 27 10 0 0 0
11 6 26 11 0 0 0
12 2 25 12 0 0 0
13 15 24 13 0 0 0
14 25 0 23 14 0 0 0
15 8 0 22 15 0 0 0
16 32 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 6 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 8 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 31 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 23 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 3 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 33 0 20 12 5 5 0
23 10 0 20 11 6 6 0
24 26 0 19 12 6 6 0
25 15 0 19 11 7 7 0
26 0 0 18 12 7 7 0
27 22 0 17 13 7 7 0
28 10 0 17 13 7 6 1
29 34 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 36 0 16 13 8 7 1
31 6 0 16 13 8 6 2
32 31 0 16 12 9 7 2
33 18 0 15 13 9 7 2
34 5 0 14 14 9 7 2
35 16 rr 22 13 15 9 7 2
36 26 22 13 14 10 8 2
37 27 22 12 15 10 8 2
38 19 22 11 16 10 8 2
39 36 rr 11 11 15 11 9 2
40 24 rr 36 10 16 11 9 2
41 14 36 9 17 11 9 2
42 21 36 8 18 11 9 2
43 18 36 8 17 12 10 2
44 12 36 7 18 12 10 2
45 28 36 7 17 13 11 2
46 36 36 7 17 13 10 3
47 2 36 7 16 14 11 3
48 12 36 7 15 15 12 3
49 34 nr 21 7 15 15 11 4
50 26 nr 6 7 15 15 10 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 16, 2008, 11:03:23 AM
TouchBet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 35 36 1 0 0 0
2 31 35 2 0 0 0
3 10 34 3 0 0 0
4 5 33 4 0 0 0
5 26 32 5 0 0 0
6 25 31 6 0 0 0
7 14 30 7 0 0 0
8 2 29 8 0 0 0
9 5 29 7 1 1 0
10 33 28 8 1 1 0
11 10 28 7 2 2 0
12 19 27 8 2 2 0
13 21 26 9 2 2 0
14 32 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 33 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 17 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 20 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 27 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 10 0 22 12 3 2 1
20 29 0 21 13 3 2 1
21 24 0 20 14 3 2 1
22 36 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 15 0 18 16 3 2 1
24 18 0 17 17 3 2 1
25 20 rr -17 17 16 4 3 1
26 28 rr 2 16 17 4 3 1
27 30 2 15 18 4 3 1
28 26 2 15 17 5 4 1
29 25 2 15 16 6 5 1
30 13 2 14 17 6 5 1
31 6 2 13 18 6 5 1
32 18 2 13 17 7 6 1
33 19 2 13 16 8 7 1
34 24 2 13 15 9 8 1
35 28 2 13 14 10 9 1
36 15 2 13 13 11 10 1
37 31 rr -11 13 12 12 11 1
38 13 rr -24 13 11 13 12 1
39 20 rr -37 13 11 13 11 2
40 6 nr -12 13 10 14 12 2
41 12 rr 11 12 11 14 12 2
42 12 rr -1 12 10 15 13 2
43 34 -1 11 11 15 13 2
44 35 rr -12 11 10 16 14 2
45 32 rr -23 11 9 17 15 2
46 24 -23 11 9 17 14 3
47 32 -23 11 9 17 13 4
48 18 -23 11 9 17 12 5
49 1 -23 10 10 17 12 5
50 33 rr -33 10 10 17 11 6
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 16, 2008, 11:04:46 AM
Live-Wheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 8 36 1 0 0 0
2 23 35 2 0 0 0
3 5 34 3 0 0 0
4 26 33 4 0 0 0
5 35 32 5 0 0 0
6 13 31 6 0 0 0
7 13 31 5 1 1 0
8 29 30 6 1 1 0
9 24 29 7 1 1 0
10 31 28 8 1 1 0
11 33 27 9 1 1 0
12 36 26 10 1 1 0
13 7 25 11 1 1 0
14 6 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 5 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 34 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 21 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 11 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 32 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 10 0 19 16 2 2 0
21 26 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 1 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 34 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 9 0 17 16 4 4 0
25 22 rr 19 16 17 4 4 0
26 0 19 15 18 4 4 0
27 3 19 14 19 4 4 0
28 25 19 13 20 4 4 0
29 6 19 13 19 5 5 0
30 36 19 13 18 6 6 0
31 24 19 13 17 7 7 0
32 12 19 12 18 7 7 0
33 31 19 12 17 8 8 0
34 29 19 12 16 9 9 0
35 3 19 12 15 10 10 0
36 24 19 12 15 10 9 1
37 10 19 12 14 11 10 1
38 15 rr 43 11 15 11 10 1
39 29 rr 32 11 15 11 9 2
40 33 rr 21 11 14 12 10 2
41 15 21 11 13 13 11 2
42 7 nr 44 11 12 14 12 2
43 6 nr 32 11 12 14 11 3
44 9 nr 56 11 11 15 12 3
45 16 rr 81 10 12 15 12 3
46 28 nr 69 9 13 15 12 3
47 30 nr 56 8 14 15 12 3
48 7 56 8 14 15 11 4
49 6 56 8 14 15 11 4
50 6 56 8 14 15 11 4

[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   68   ,   64   ,   261   ,   393
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 16, 2008, 11:19:05 AM
winkel

What does the little rr and nr in the post mean?  Sorry if you've answered and I missed it.  I did try to find it.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 16, 2008, 11:54:04 AM
it says on what to bet

r = 0
n = 1

if used single it refers to line 13 or 25 or 37
if used as rr or nr (rolling) it refers to line just before

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 17, 2008, 08:33:59 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 17 36 1 0 0 0
2 0 35 2 0 0 0
3 30 34 3 0 0 0
4 25 33 4 0 0 0
5 7 32 5 0 0 0
6 16 31 6 0 0 0
7 14 30 7 0 0 0
8 23 29 8 0 0 0
9 31 28 9 0 0 0
10 12 27 10 0 0 0
11 28 26 11 0 0 0
12 17 26 10 1 1 0
13 21 25 11 1 1 0
14 27 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 20 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 6 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 27 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 33 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 22 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 20 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 3 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 34 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 16 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 28 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 35 0 17 15 5 5 0
26 15 0 16 16 5 5 0
27 14 rr -16 16 15 6 6 0
28 22 rr -32 16 14 7 7 0
29 36 -32 15 15 7 7 0
30 13 rr -11 14 16 7 7 0
31 5 -11 13 17 7 7 0
32 11 -11 12 18 7 7 0
33 33 -11 12 17 8 8 0
34 34 -11 12 16 9 9 0
35 26 -11 11 17 9 9 0
36 36 -11 11 16 10 10 0
37 21 rr -22 11 15 11 11 0
38 3 rr -33 11 14 12 12 0
39 16 -33 11 14 12 11 1
40 5 -33 11 13 13 12 1
41 26 nr -10 11 12 14 13 1
42 22 -10 11 12 14 12 2
43 5 nr -22 11 12 14 11 3
44 8 nr -34 10 13 14 11 3
45 28 -34 10 13 14 10 4
46 28 rr -44 10 13 14 10 4
47 15 rr -54 10 12 15 11 4
48 6 nr -25 10 11 16 12 4
49 23 -25 10 10 17 13 4
50 29 rr 4 9 11 17 13 4
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 17, 2008, 09:49:06 AM
your comments are right.

But this is a clinical test with iron rules, just to show it wins more than it loses even with no human interactions

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 17, 2008, 10:39:22 AM
Live Wheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 19 36 1 0 0 0
2 19 36 0 1 1 0
3 24 35 1 1 1 0
4 10 34 2 1 1 0
5 19 34 2 1 0 1
6 5 33 3 1 0 1
7 21 32 4 1 0 1
8 33 31 5 1 0 1
9 20 30 6 1 0 1
10 18 29 7 1 0 1
11 2 28 8 1 0 1
12 13 27 9 1 0 1
13 35 26 10 1 0 1
14 23 0 25 11 1 0 1
15 15 0 24 12 1 0 1
16 20 0 24 11 2 1 1
17 31 0 23 12 2 1 1
18 13 0 23 11 3 2 1
19 25 0 22 12 3 2 1
20 17 0 21 13 3 2 1
21 9 0 20 14 3 2 1
22 18 0 20 13 4 3 1
23 36 0 19 14 4 3 1
24 5 0 19 13 5 4 1
25 14 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 30 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 1 0 16 16 5 4 1
28 0 rr 20 15 17 5 4 1
29 10 20 15 16 6 5 1
30 32 20 14 17 6 5 1
31 23 20 14 16 7 6 1
32 29 20 13 17 7 6 1
33 16 20 12 18 7 6 1
34 14 20 12 17 8 7 1
35 35 20 12 16 9 8 1
36 25 20 12 15 10 9 1
37 32 20 12 14 11 10 1
38 8 rr 44 11 15 11 10 1
39 23 rr 33 11 15 11 9 2
40 3 rr 58 10 16 11 9 2
41 16 58 10 15 12 10 2
42 25 rr 48 10 15 12 9 3
43 36 rr 38 10 14 13 10 3
44 8 nr 60 10 13 14 11 3
45 13 rr 50 10 13 14 10 4
46 11 rr 76 9 14 14 10 4
47 10 nr 62 9 14 14 9 5
48 26 rr 89 8 15 14 9 5
49 9 nr 110 8 14 15 10 5
50 7 110 7 15 15 10 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 17, 2008, 11:04:53 AM
TouchBet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 34 36 1 0 0 0
2 6 35 2 0 0 0
3 29 34 3 0 0 0
4 4 33 4 0 0 0
5 14 32 5 0 0 0
6 22 31 6 0 0 0
7 11 30 7 0 0 0
8 16 29 8 0 0 0
9 18 28 9 0 0 0
10 3 27 10 0 0 0
11 16 27 9 1 1 0
12 17 26 10 1 1 0
13 25 25 11 1 1 0
14 29 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 31 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 6 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 24 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 35 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 29 0 22 12 3 2 1
20 36 0 21 13 3 2 1
21 11 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 24 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 29 0 21 11 5 4 1
24 21 0 20 12 5 4 1
25 21 0 20 11 6 5 1
26 10 0 19 12 6 5 1
27 36 0 19 11 7 6 1
28 7 0 18 12 7 6 1
29 22 0 18 11 8 7 1
30 31 0 18 10 9 8 1
31 8 0 17 11 9 8 1
32 23 0 16 12 9 8 1
33 0 0 15 13 9 8 1
34 12 0 14 14 9 8 1
35 7 rr -14 14 13 10 9 1
36 18 rr -28 14 12 11 10 1
37 30 nr -40 13 13 11 10 1
38 8 rr -53 13 12 12 11 1
39 6 rr -66 13 12 12 10 2
40 8 nr -78 13 12 12 9 3
41 2 nr -90 12 13 12 9 3
42 20 rr -66 11 14 12 9 3
43 26 -66 10 15 12 9 3
44 22 rr -76 10 15 12 8 4
45 16 -76 10 15 12 7 5
46 15 -76 9 16 12 7 5
47 28 -76 8 17 12 7 5
48 2 rr -84 8 16 13 8 5
49 10 rr -92 8 15 14 9 5
50 7 nr -107 8 15 14 8 6


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   72   ,   -43   ,   371   ,   400
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
[/table]

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1221660280.png&hash=c2ca296e25179f8eb5b65000b3bd262dcf58843d)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 17, 2008, 11:06:38 AM
Quote from: t0p_man on September 17, 2008, 10:09:58 AM
24
28
11
31
35
32
9
35
2
13
29
14
18
22
22
36
12
27
2
19
34
33
20
31 (L17)
29 (L17)
9
3
12 (L16) Good waves at "1". But possible bet on "0 vs 1". Which have higher priority? Good waves or possible bet?
4 
28 (L15) Good waves at "1". But possible bet on "0 vs 1". Which have higher priority? Good waves or possible bet?
21 (W20)
2
32
34 (L14) Good waves at "1". But possible bet on "0 vs 1". Which have higher priority? Good waves or possible bet?
19
8 (L12)
9 (L13)
14
25 (SKIP)
7 (SKIP)
27
4 (W22)
5 (L12)
24 (W22)
35
7
7
31
9
35
30 (L12)
27 (L13)
12
9
0

Total lost = -77.
Any way to improve?

Don´t bet 17 before spin 25

Code Select
21 34 0 0 / 0 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 33 0 0 / 0 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 20 0 0 / 0 0 17 17 3 3 0
24 31 0 1 / 0 0 17 16 4 4 0
25 29 0 1 / 0 0 17 15 5 5 0
26 9 0 1 / 0 0 17 14 6 6 0
27 3 0 0 / 0 0 16 15 6 6 0
28 12 rr 16 1 V -16 -16 16 14 7 7 0
29 4 0 0 / 0 -16 15 15 7 7 0
30 28 rr 15 1 V -15 -31 15 14 8 8 0
31 21 rr 15 0 G 21 -10 14 15 8 8 0
32 2 0 2 / 0 -10 14 15 8 7 1
33 32 0 1 / 0 -10 14 14 9 8 1
34 34 rr 14 1 V -14 -24 14 13 10 9 1
35 19 rr 14 1 V -14 -38 14 12 11 10 1
36 8 nr 12 0 V -12 -50 13 13 11 10 1
37 9 rr 13 2 V -13 -63 13 13 11 9 2
38 14 0 1 / 0 -63 13 12 12 10 2
39 25 rr 13 0 G 23 -40 12 13 12 10 2
40 7 rr 12 0 G 24 -16 11 14 12 10 2
41 27 0 1 / 0 -16 11 13 13 11 2
42 4 nr 13 1 G 23 7 11 12 14 12 2
43 5 nr 12 0 V -12 -5 10 13 14 12 2
44 24 nr 13 1 G 23 18 10 12 15 13 2
45 35 0 2 / 0 18 10 12 15 12 3
46 7 nr 12 1 G 24 42 10 11 16 13 3
47 7 0 0 / 0 42 10 11 16 12 4
48 31 0 2 / 0 42 10 11 16 11 5
49 9 nr 11 3 V -11 31 10 11 16 11 5
50 35 nr 11 3 V -11 20 10 11 16 11 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 18, 2008, 09:52:23 AM
look at the 1s

15
14
13
12
13
13
12
at did bet on
13
13
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 18, 2008, 11:00:50 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 16 36 1 0 0 0
2 29 35 2 0 0 0
3 4 34 3 0 0 0
4 30 33 4 0 0 0
5 1 32 5 0 0 0
6 20 31 6 0 0 0
7 29 31 5 1 1 0
8 26 30 6 1 1 0
9 31 29 7 1 1 0
10 2 28 8 1 1 0
11 14 27 9 1 1 0
12 28 26 10 1 1 0
13 18 25 11 1 1 0
14 17 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 26 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 18 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 16 0 24 9 4 4 0
18 6 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 23 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 20 0 22 10 5 5 0
21 8 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 4 0 21 10 6 6 0
23 23 0 21 9 7 7 0
24 13 0 20 10 7 7 0
25 15 0 19 11 7 7 0
26 22 0 18 12 7 7 0
27 17 0 18 11 8 8 0
28 22 0 18 10 9 9 0
29 29 0 18 10 9 8 1
30 12 0 17 11 9 8 1
31 20 0 17 11 9 7 2
32 32 0 16 12 9 7 2
33 16 0 16 12 9 6 3
34 28 0 16 11 10 7 3
35 5 0 15 12 10 7 3
36 36 0 14 13 10 7 3
37 27 rr 22 13 14 10 7 3
38 36 22 13 13 11 8 3
39 24 rr 45 12 14 11 8 3
40 17 rr 33 12 14 11 7 4
41 12 rr 21 12 13 12 8 4
42 32 nr 44 12 12 13 9 4
43 31 nr 68 12 11 14 10 4
44 5 nr 93 12 10 15 11 4
45 4 nr 83 12 10 15 10 5
46 9 nr 73 11 11 15 10 5
47 6 nr 98 11 10 16 11 5
48 20 rr 91 11 10 16 11 5
49 18 rr 84 11 10 16 10 6
50 2 nr 113 11 9 17 11 6
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 18, 2008, 11:01:22 AM
Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 32 36 1 0 0 0
2 27 35 2 0 0 0
3 6 34 3 0 0 0
4 11 33 4 0 0 0
5 0 32 5 0 0 0
6 33 31 6 0 0 0
7 26 30 7 0 0 0
8 31 29 8 0 0 0
9 15 28 9 0 0 0
10 20 27 10 0 0 0
11 19 26 11 0 0 0
12 25 25 12 0 0 0
13 13 24 13 0 0 0
14 33 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 18 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 25 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 9 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 14 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 3 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 15 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 32 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 1 0 19 14 4 4 0
23 34 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 18 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 2 0 17 15 5 5 0
26 1 0 17 14 6 6 0
27 8 0 16 15 6 6 0
28 18 rr -16 16 15 6 5 1
29 10 rr 4 15 16 6 5 1
30 4 4 14 17 6 5 1
31 6 4 14 16 7 6 1
32 0 4 14 15 8 7 1
33 21 4 13 16 8 7 1
34 29 4 12 17 8 7 1
35 23 4 11 18 8 7 1
36 12 4 10 19 8 7 1
37 6 4 10 19 8 6 2
38 29 4 10 18 9 7 2
39 19 rr -6 10 17 10 8 2
40 13 rr -16 10 16 11 9 2
41 12 rr -26 10 15 12 10 2
42 29 rr -36 10 15 12 9 3
43 25 -36 10 15 12 8 4
44 13 -36 10 15 12 7 5
45 10 -36 10 14 13 8 5
46 29 nr -50 10 14 13 8 5
47 2 nr -28 10 13 14 9 5
48 28 rr -2 9 14 14 9 5
49 36 nr -16 8 15 14 9 5
50 3 nr 5 8 14 15 10 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 18, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
LiveWheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 7 36 1 0 0 0
2 22 35 2 0 0 0
3 19 34 3 0 0 0
4 12 33 4 0 0 0
5 5 32 5 0 0 0
6 11 31 6 0 0 0
7 17 30 7 0 0 0
8 20 29 8 0 0 0
9 35 28 9 0 0 0
10 24 27 10 0 0 0
11 21 26 11 0 0 0
12 29 25 12 0 0 0
13 23 24 13 0 0 0
14 34 0 23 14 0 0 0
15 7 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 24 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 16 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 0 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 22 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 4 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 9 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 1 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 16 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 12 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 12 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 31 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 5 0 17 14 6 5 1
28 20 0 17 13 7 6 1
29 1 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 14 0 16 13 8 7 1
31 36 0 15 14 8 7 1
32 2 rr 21 14 15 8 7 1
33 2 21 14 14 9 8 1
34 29 rr 7 14 13 10 9 1
35 16 rr -7 14 13 10 8 2
36 28 -7 13 14 10 8 2
37 18 -7 12 15 10 8 2
38 22 -7 12 15 10 7 3
39 9 -7 12 14 11 8 3
40 24 rr -19 12 14 11 7 4
41 8 rr 5 11 15 11 7 4
42 8 5 11 14 12 8 4
43 23 5 11 13 13 9 4
44 30 nr -8 10 14 13 9 4
45 25 rr 18 9 15 13 9 4
46 36 rr 9 9 14 14 10 4
47 27 nr -5 8 15 14 10 4
48 17 nr 16 8 14 15 11 4
49 27 16 8 13 16 12 4
50 36 nr 3 8 13 16 11 5


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   185   ,   -38   ,   374   ,   [highlight]521[/highlight]
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on September 18, 2008, 07:24:05 PM
Winkel,,

Why do you think your system is performing much better on the live wheel vs. RNG and touchbet?  What is touchbet anyways?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 18, 2008, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: madupz4 on September 18, 2008, 07:24:05 PM
Winkel,,

Why do you think your system is performing much better on the live wheel vs. RNG and touchbet?  What is touchbet anyways?

you will see it is just a bad streak on the touchbet or the RNG.

Touchbet is a island with 10 computer-roulette. In the middle there is a wheel which is turning constantly. balls are shoot by airpressure.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Natural9 on September 19, 2008, 03:31:32 AM
Ok call me stupid but

Can someone explain to me  on winkal codes what al lthem numbers mean


Coups   Permanenz   R N F Rr Nr Fr   lfd. Saldo   R   N   F   F2   F3
1   7         36   1   0   0   0
2   22         35   2   0   0   0
3   19         34   3   0   0   0
4   12         33   4   0   0   0
5   5         32   5   0   0   0
6   11         31   6   0   0   0
7   17         30   7   0   0   0
8   20         29   8   0   0   0
9   35         28   9   0   0   0
10   24         27   10   0   0   0
11   21         26   11   0   0   0
12   29         25   12   0   0   0
13   23         24   13   0   0   0
14   34      0    23   14   0   0   0
15   7      0    23   13   1   1   0
16   24      0    23   12   2   2   0
17   16      0    22   13   2   2   0
18   0      0    21   14   2   2   0
19   22      0    21   13   3   3   0
20   4      0    20   14   3   3   0
21   9      0    19   15   3   3   0
22   1      0    18   16   3   3   0
23   16      0    18   15   4   4   0
24   12      0    18   14   5   5   0
25   12      0    18   14   5   4   1
26   31      0    17   15   5   4   1
27   5      0    17   14   6   5   1
28   20      0    17   13   7   6   1
29   1      0    17   12   8   7   1
30   14      0    16   13   8   7   1
31   36      0    15   14   8   7   1
32   2   rr   21    14   15   8   7   1
33   2      21    14   14   9   8   1
34   29   rr   7    14   13   10   9   1
35   16   rr   -7    14   13   10   8   2
36   28      -7    13   14   10   8   2
37   18      -7    12   15   10   8   2
38   22      -7    12   15   10   7   3
39   9      -7    12   14   11   8   3
40   24   rr   -19    12   14   11   7   4
41   8   rr   5    11   15   11   7   4
42   8      5    11   14   12   8   4
43   23      5    11   13   13   9   4
44   30   nr   -8    10   14   13   9   4
45   25   rr   18    9   15   13   9   4
46   36   rr   9    9   14   14   10   4
47   27   nr   -5    8   15   14   10   4
48   17   nr   16    8   14   15   11   4
49   27      16    8   13   16   12   4
50   36   nr   3    8   13   16   11   5


Hmm maybe they easier to read when pasted like this seems to be dawning on me
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 19, 2008, 05:22:12 AM
ok, Don´t wanna play every row of spins. Watch them look if there is a crossing possible ore not.

It is a bad wave as I wrote before.

look at the original post. I wrote there some basics.

Binomial distribution
spin 1- 13 10-11#
spin 14-25 8#
spin 26-37 6#

do you see any close stage in these numbers to the statistic above?
Why don´t you jump back starting with spin 13 ?

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 19, 2008, 09:26:07 AM
please read this:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-holy-gral-or-g-u-t-the-great-universal-theory/msg20501/#msg20501
(nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-holy-gral-or-g-u-t-the-great-universal-theory/msg20501/#msg20501)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 19, 2008, 09:45:20 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 3 36 1 0 0 0
2 36 35 2 0 0 0
3 17 34 3 0 0 0
4 26 33 4 0 0 0
5 33 32 5 0 0 0
6 1 31 6 0 0 0
7 12 30 7 0 0 0
8 14 29 8 0 0 0
9 36 29 7 1 1 0
10 20 28 8 1 1 0
11 10 27 9 1 1 0
12 12 27 8 2 2 0
13 10 27 7 3 3 0
14 13 0 26 8 3 3 0
15 15 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 18 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 2 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 18 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 3 0 23 9 5 5 0
20 11 0 22 10 5 5 0
21 2 0 22 9 6 6 0
22 22 0 21 10 6 6 0
23 28 0 20 11 6 6 0
24 18 0 20 11 6 5 1
25 11 0 20 10 7 6 1
26 22 0 20 9 8 7 1
27 15 nr 27 20 8 9 8 1
28 36 27 20 8 9 7 2
29 19 27 19 9 9 7 2
30 14 nr 54 19 8 10 8 2
31 32 54 18 9 10 8 2
32 35 54 17 10 10 8 2
33 31 nr 44 16 11 10 8 2
34 3 nr 33 16 11 10 7 3
35 6 nr 22 15 12 10 7 3
36 31 22 15 11 11 8 3
37 29 nr 11 14 12 11 8 3
38 19 nr 35 14 11 12 9 3
39 23 35 13 12 12 9 3
40 10 rr 22 13 12 12 8 4
41 33 rr 9 13 11 13 9 4
42 12 rr -4 13 11 13 8 5
43 23 rr -17 13 10 14 9 5
44 5 -17 12 11 14 9 5
45 25 rr 7 11 12 14 9 5
46 11 7 11 12 14 8 6
47 29 7 11 11 15 9 6
48 29 rr 0 11 11 15 8 7
49 6 rr -7 11 10 16 9 7
50 24 rr 22 10 11 16 9 7
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 19, 2008, 11:02:22 AM
TouchBet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 33 36 1 0 0 0
2 16 35 2 0 0 0
3 23 34 3 0 0 0
4 34 33 4 0 0 0
5 5 32 5 0 0 0
6 11 31 6 0 0 0
7 0 30 7 0 0 0
8 32 29 8 0 0 0
9 27 28 9 0 0 0
10 16 28 8 1 1 0
11 11 28 7 2 2 0
12 8 27 8 2 2 0
13 28 26 9 2 2 0
14 18 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 25 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 10 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 7 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 25 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 6 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 14 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 21 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 36 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 6 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 34 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 2 0 17 15 5 5 0
26 28 0 17 14 6 6 0
27 5 0 17 13 7 7 0
28 25 0 17 13 7 6 1
29 14 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 36 0 17 11 9 8 1
31 24 0 16 12 9 8 1
32 18 0 16 11 10 9 1
33 34 nr -11 16 11 10 8 2
34 35 nr -22 15 12 10 8 2
35 27 nr 2 15 11 11 9 2
36 12 nr -9 14 12 11 9 2
37 34 nr -21 14 12 11 9 2
38 25 nr -33 14 12 11 9 2
39 29 nr -45 13 13 11 9 2
40 9 rr -22 12 14 11 9 2
41 34 rr -34 12 14 11 9 2
42 34 rr -46 12 14 11 9 2
43 18 -46 12 14 11 8 3
44 15 -46 11 15 11 8 3
45 21 rr -57 11 14 12 9 3
46 17 -57 10 15 12 9 3
47 18 rr -67 10 15 12 9 3
48 3 rr -41 9 16 12 9 3
49 27 rr -50 9 16 12 8 4
50 29 rr -59 9 15 13 9 4
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 19, 2008, 11:17:37 AM
LiveWheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 13 36 1 0 0 0
2 7 35 2 0 0 0
3 8 34 3 0 0 0
4 1 33 4 0 0 0
5 2 32 5 0 0 0
6 36 31 6 0 0 0
7 5 30 7 0 0 0
8 18 29 8 0 0 0
9 33 28 9 0 0 0
10 15 27 10 0 0 0
11 28 26 11 0 0 0
12 4 25 12 0 0 0
13 22 24 13 0 0 0
14 20 0 23 14 0 0 0
15 1 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 4 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 25 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 9 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 2 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 31 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 16 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 0 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 31 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 23 0 17 16 4 4 0
25 9 rr -17 17 15 5 5 0
26 34 -17 16 16 5 5 0
27 19 rr 3 15 17 5 5 0
28 16 3 15 16 6 6 0
29 36 3 15 15 7 7 0
30 4 rr -12 15 15 7 6 1
31 26 rr 9 14 16 7 6 1
32 2 9 14 16 7 5 2
33 5 9 14 15 8 6 2
34 13 9 14 14 9 7 2
35 17 rr 31 13 15 9 7 2
36 3 31 12 16 9 7 2
37 26 31 12 15 10 8 2
38 11 31 11 16 10 8 2
39 28 rr 20 11 15 11 9 2
40 8 rr 9 11 14 12 10 2
41 5 rr -2 11 14 12 9 3
42 27 -2 10 15 12 9 3
43 6 rr 24 9 16 12 9 3
44 2 rr 15 9 16 12 9 3
45 6 rr 6 9 15 13 10 3
46 0 6 9 14 14 11 3
47 15 nr 28 9 13 15 12 3
48 29 nr 15 8 14 15 12 3
49 7 15 8 13 16 13 3
50 0 nr 2 8 13 16 12 4


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   207   ,   -97   ,   376   ,   [highlight]486[/highlight]
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 20, 2008, 07:03:54 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 19 36 1 0 0 0
2 35 35 2 0 0 0
3 20 34 3 0 0 0
4 17 33 4 0 0 0
5 29 32 5 0 0 0
6 31 31 6 0 0 0
7 25 30 7 0 0 0
8 11 29 8 0 0 0
9 4 28 9 0 0 0
10 24 27 10 0 0 0
11 33 26 11 0 0 0
12 13 25 12 0 0 0
13 28 24 13 0 0 0
14 28 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 25 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 27 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 27 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 12 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 1 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 18 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 8 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 24 0 19 14 4 4 0
23 28 0 19 14 4 3 1
24 31 0 19 13 5 4 1
25 1 0 19 12 6 5 1
26 2 0 18 13 6 5 1
27 19 0 18 12 7 6 1
28 11 0 18 11 8 7 1
29 5 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 18 0 17 11 9 8 1
31 32 0 16 12 9 8 1
32 21 0 15 13 9 8 1
33 25 0 15 13 9 7 2
34 2 0 15 12 10 8 2
35 9 0 14 13 10 8 2
36 34 rr 22 13 14 10 8 2
37 20 22 13 13 11 9 2
38 8 rr 9 13 12 12 10 2
39 26 rr 32 12 13 12 10 2
40 6 nr 19 11 14 12 10 2
41 36 19 10 15 12 10 2
42 4 19 10 14 13 11 2
43 29 nr 41 10 13 14 12 2
44 29 41 10 13 14 11 3
45 4 41 10 13 14 10 4
46 18 41 10 13 14 9 5
47 18 41 10 13 14 9 5
48 35 41 10 12 15 10 5
49 13 41 10 11 16 11 5
50 22 41 9 12 16 11 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 20, 2008, 10:54:57 AM
LiveWheel

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 34 36 1 0 0 0
2 23 35 2 0 0 0
3 17 34 3 0 0 0
4 18 33 4 0 0 0
5 25 32 5 0 0 0
6 33 31 6 0 0 0
7 2 30 7 0 0 0
8 20 29 8 0 0 0
9 21 28 9 0 0 0
10 21 28 8 1 1 0
11 26 27 9 1 1 0
12 34 27 8 2 2 0
13 34 27 8 2 1 1
14 11 0 26 9 2 1 1
15 27 0 25 10 2 1 1
16 17 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 16 0 24 10 3 2 1
18 28 0 23 11 3 2 1
19 35 0 22 12 3 2 1
20 23 0 22 11 4 3 1
21 32 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 1 0 20 13 4 3 1
23 27 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 26 0 20 11 6 5 1
25 18 0 20 10 7 6 1
26 20 0 20 9 8 7 1
27 18 0 20 9 8 6 2
28 0 0 19 10 8 6 2
29 32 0 19 9 9 7 2
30 29 0 18 10 9 7 2
31 12 0 17 11 9 7 2
32 19 0 16 12 9 7 2
33 4 0 15 13 9 7 2
34 3 0 14 14 9 7 2
35 18 rr -14 14 14 9 7 2
36 5 rr 8 13 15 9 7 2
37 33 8 13 14 10 8 2
38 16 8 13 13 11 9 2
39 21 rr -5 13 13 11 8 3
40 30 rr 18 12 14 11 8 3
41 11 rr 6 12 13 12 9 3
42 26 nr -7 12 13 12 8 4
43 26 nr -20 12 13 12 8 4
44 36 rr 4 11 14 12 8 4
45 11 4 11 14 12 7 5
46 6 4 10 15 12 7 5
47 31 4 9 16 12 7 5
48 4 4 9 15 13 8 5
49 3 4 9 14 14 9 5
50 30 nr 26 9 13 15 10 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 20, 2008, 11:03:11 AM
ToucBet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 23 36 1 0 0 0
2 36 35 2 0 0 0
3 12 34 3 0 0 0
4 20 33 4 0 0 0
5 24 32 5 0 0 0
6 8 31 6 0 0 0
7 32 30 7 0 0 0
8 31 29 8 0 0 0
9 17 28 9 0 0 0
10 13 27 10 0 0 0
11 0 26 11 0 0 0
12 28 25 12 0 0 0
13 9 24 13 0 0 0
14 25 0 23 14 0 0 0
15 35 0 22 15 0 0 0
16 27 0 21 16 0 0 0
17 19 0 20 17 0 0 0
18 17 0 20 16 1 1 0
19 29 0 19 17 1 1 0
20 31 0 19 16 2 2 0
21 4 0 18 17 2 2 0
22 9 0 18 16 3 3 0
23 13 0 18 15 4 4 0
24 23 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 9 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 6 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 13 0 17 15 5 3 2
28 34 0 16 16 5 3 2
29 22 rr 20 15 17 5 3 2
30 33 20 14 18 5 3 2
31 3 20 13 19 5 3 2
32 8 20 13 18 6 4 2
33 20 20 13 17 7 5 2
34 33 20 13 16 8 6 2
35 9 20 13 16 8 6 2
36 28 20 13 15 9 7 2
37 23 20 13 15 9 6 3
38 29 20 13 14 10 7 3
39 2 20 12 15 10 7 3
40 23 20 12 15 10 7 3
41 24 20 12 14 11 8 3
42 36 rr 8 12 13 12 9 3
43 20 rr -4 12 13 12 8 4
44 18 rr 20 11 14 12 8 4
45 0 20 11 13 13 9 4
46 33 nr 7 11 13 13 8 5
47 12 nr 30 11 12 14 9 5
48 28 30 11 12 14 8 6
49 33 30 11 12 14 8 6
50 29 30 11 12 14 7 7


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   248   ,   -67   ,   402   ,   [highlight]583[/highlight]
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 21, 2008, 05:33:32 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 34 36 1 0 0 0
2 24 35 2 0 0 0
3 11 34 3 0 0 0
4 3 33 4 0 0 0
5 32 32 5 0 0 0
6 28 31 6 0 0 0
7 35 30 7 0 0 0
8 0 29 8 0 0 0
9 15 28 9 0 0 0
10 23 27 10 0 0 0
11 17 26 11 0 0 0
12 30 25 12 0 0 0
13 11 25 11 1 1 0
14 1 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 21 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 21 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 25 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 29 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 27 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 36 0 19 16 2 2 0
21 14 0 18 17 2 2 0
22 12 0 17 18 2 2 0
23 16 0 16 19 2 2 0
24 6 0 15 20 2 2 0
25 26 0 14 21 2 2 0
26 6 0 14 20 3 3 0
27 3 0 14 19 4 4 0
28 28 0 14 18 5 5 0
29 30 0 14 17 6 6 0
30 28 0 14 17 6 5 1
31 29 0 14 16 7 6 1
32 3 0 14 16 7 5 2
33 34 0 14 15 8 6 2
34 17 0 14 14 9 7 2
35 23 rr -14 14 13 10 8 2
36 35 rr -28 14 12 11 9 2
37 23 nr -40 14 12 11 8 3
38 14 nr -16 14 11 12 9 3
39 11 -16 14 11 12 8 4
40 2 -16 13 12 12 8 4
41 28 rr -29 13 12 12 8 4
42 33 rr -6 12 13 12 8 4
43 4 rr 18 11 14 12 8 4
44 10 18 10 15 12 8 4
45 13 18 9 16 12 8 4
46 22 rr 45 8 17 12 8 4
47 35 rr 37 8 17 12 7 5
48 19 rr 66 7 18 12 7 5
49 10 rr 59 7 17 13 8 5
50 3 59 7 17 13 8 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 21, 2008, 10:25:20 AM
Hi Winkel!

Are you play every trigger until 50 spins in the RNG and live test?

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 21, 2008, 10:55:17 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 21, 2008, 11:03:04 AM
touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 17 36 1 0 0 0
2 2 35 2 0 0 0
3 1 34 3 0 0 0
4 13 33 4 0 0 0
5 33 32 5 0 0 0
6 13 32 4 1 1 0
7 10 31 5 1 1 0
8 35 30 6 1 1 0
9 13 30 6 1 0 1
10 5 29 7 1 0 1
11 9 28 8 1 0 1
12 11 27 9 1 0 1
13 31 26 10 1 0 1
14 15 0 25 11 1 0 1
15 6 0 24 12 1 0 1
16 20 0 23 13 1 0 1
17 11 0 23 12 2 1 1
18 8 0 22 13 2 1 1
19 12 0 21 14 2 1 1
20 33 0 21 13 3 2 1
21 30 0 20 14 3 2 1
22 4 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 33 0 19 15 3 1 2
24 24 0 18 16 3 1 2
25 21 0 17 17 3 1 2
26 31 rr -17 17 16 4 2 2
27 29 rr 2 16 17 4 2 2
28 23 2 15 18 4 2 2
29 33 2 15 18 4 2 2
30 18 2 14 19 4 2 2
31 16 2 13 20 4 2 2
32 6 2 13 19 5 3 2
33 36 2 12 20 5 3 2
34 1 2 12 19 6 4 2
35 19 2 11 20 6 4 2
36 6 2 11 20 6 3 3
37 16 2 11 19 7 4 3
38 0 2 10 20 7 4 3
39 7 2 9 21 7 4 3
40 28 2 8 22 7 4 3
41 15 rr -6 8 21 8 5 3
42 12 rr -14 8 20 9 6 3
43 23 rr -22 8 19 10 7 3
44 33 rr -30 8 19 10 7 3
45 3 rr -2 7 20 10 7 3
46 16 rr -9 7 20 10 6 4
47 17 rr -16 7 19 11 7 4
48 21 rr -23 7 18 12 8 4
49 12 -23 7 18 12 7 5
50 7 rr -30 7 17 13 8 5
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 21, 2008, 11:12:31 AM
Quote from: winkel on September 21, 2008, 05:33:32 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3

43 4 rr 18 11 14 12 8 4
44 10 18 10 15 12 8 4
45 13 18 9 16 12 8 4
46 22 rr 45 8 17 12 8 4
47 35 rr 37 8 17 12 7 5
48 19 rr 66 7 18 12 7 5
49 10 rr 59 7 17 13 8 5
50 3 59 7 17 13 8 5


You play in the row nr.45: 9R with 8F2?

But a few post earlier you not play in same situation I think

Quote from: winkel on September 20, 2008, 07:03:54 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
43 29 nr 41 10 13 14 12 2
44 29 41 10 13 14 11 3
45 4 41 10 13 14 10 4
46 18 41 10 13 14 9 5
47 18 41 10 13 14 9 5
48 35 41 10 12 15 10 5
49 13 41 10 11 16 11 5
50 22 41 9 12 16 11 5


You can play here the row nr.45: 10R with 10F2
or the next row nr.46: 10R with 9F2

Why don't you play in this situation?

thanks
ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 21, 2008, 11:13:13 AM
Live

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 10 36 1 0 0 0
2 23 35 2 0 0 0
3 15 34 3 0 0 0
4 8 33 4 0 0 0
5 16 32 5 0 0 0
6 21 31 6 0 0 0
7 2 30 7 0 0 0
8 17 29 8 0 0 0
9 18 28 9 0 0 0
10 10 28 8 1 1 0
11 5 27 9 1 1 0
12 30 26 10 1 1 0
13 18 26 9 2 2 0
14 12 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 15 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 23 0 25 8 4 4 0
17 29 0 24 9 4 4 0
18 11 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 8 0 23 9 5 5 0
20 0 0 22 10 5 5 0
21 9 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 0 0 21 10 6 6 0
23 29 0 21 9 7 7 0
24 5 0 21 8 8 8 0
25 6 0 20 9 8 8 0
26 30 0 20 8 9 9 0
27 27 0 19 9 9 9 0
28 13 rr 17 18 10 9 9 0
29 22 17 17 11 9 9 0
30 11 17 17 10 10 10 0
31 16 nr 43 17 9 11 11 0
32 34 43 16 10 11 11 0
33 30 43 16 10 11 10 1
34 1 nr 33 15 11 11 10 1
35 3 nr 22 14 12 11 10 1
36 36 nr 10 13 13 11 10 1
37 26 rr 33 12 14 11 10 1
38 35 rr 57 11 15 11 10 1
39 28 rr 82 10 16 11 10 1
40 10 rr 72 10 16 11 9 2
41 34 rr 62 10 15 12 10 2
42 8 rr 52 10 15 12 9 3
43 15 rr 42 10 15 12 8 4
44 21 42 10 14 13 9 4
45 36 nr 64 10 13 14 10 4
46 14 rr 90 9 14 14 10 4
47 13 nr 112 9 13 15 11 4
48 0 112 9 13 15 10 5
49 16 112 9 13 15 9 6
50 12 rr 103 9 12 16 10 6


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   307   ,   -97   ,   505   ,   [highlight]715[/highlight]
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 21, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
Hi Ernesto,

I play the Touchbet and the LiveWheel during it is producing the spins.
Every day between 3 an 4,30 in the afternoon.

Two tables at the same time. Sometimes I don´t see some crossings. Sorry for that.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 21, 2008, 11:41:45 AM
Quote from: winkel on September 21, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
Hi Ernesto,

I play the Touchbet and the LiveWheel during it is producing the spins.
Every day between 3 an 4,30 in the afternoon.

Two tables at the same time. Sometimes I don´t see some crossings. Sorry for that.

br
winkel

No problem!
I just think you saw this crossing, but you don't want to play it for some reason.

And thanks this lot of test!

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 21, 2008, 03:04:48 PM
look at the rules:

17-13 numbers only bet twice even the trigger is still alive

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 22, 2008, 04:13:34 AM
Quoteif we have to bet less than 18, then we bet as often as there is a win or 0 possible:
17 to 13 numbers - we bet twice
12 to 10 - we bet three times
9 to 8 - we bet four times
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 04:16:11 AM
Quote from: winkel on September 04, 2008, 04:21:57 PM
RNG
Code Select

40 33 -21 12 14 11 8
41 1 rr -33 12 13 12 9
42 20 rr -45 12 13 12 8
43 10 rr -57 12 12 13 9
44 32 -57 12 12 13 9
45 7 -57 12 12 13 9
46 0 -57 12 11 14 10
47 30 rr -69 12 10 15 11
48 35 rr -45 11 11 15 11
49 28 nr -56 10 12 15 11
50 11 nr -32 10 11 16 12


Sorry Winkel, I have a question again.

This is from your very first test.
In the row 40 you start playing the 12-11 trigger. After 3 loses you stop. And in the row 43 the loosing trigger gone, but here come a new 12-12 trigger, but this is not from same position, so why did you not play this trigger? What rule did you apply this situation?

thanks
ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 22, 2008, 09:53:34 AM
Ernesto

Was it because on those three spins he had two triggers?

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 11:30:26 AM
Sam

I don't think so that was the reason, because you can see in the next test.

Quote from: winkel on September 05, 2008, 08:03:33 PM
RNG

Code Select

41 32 25 14 11 12
42 6 25 13 12 12
43 1 rr 12 13 12 12
44 3 rr 35 12 13 12
45 33 rr 59 11 14 12
46 25 59 10 15 12


Winkel got two trigger in row 42. 13-12 and the 12-12. And that will be my next question: why he choose here 13-12?
And won in row 44 and he had again two trigger. He played here the 12-12, why not 13-12 again?

Winkel said in theese test he played every trigger, maybe when he had two trigger just pick one of them and play because it is not really important in long term.
Sometimes we select the loosing trigger, sometimes the winner.

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 22, 2008, 11:42:01 AM
Ernesto


41   32      25    14   11   12
42   6       25    13   12   12....Here he lost money and went from 25 down to 12.  He had to bet 13 units.



43   1   rr   12    13   12   12....here he went from 12 up to 35, won 23 units.  Means he bet 13 units again.

44   3   rr   35    12   13   12

You are right; he had two bets.  0 vs 1 and 1 vs 2.  I understood him to say you always bet the 0s when tied.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 11:57:03 AM
Yes Sam, the row 42, 43 was clear, but when in the row 44 select 12-12 against 13-12.

44   3   rr   35    12   13   12
45   33   rr   59    11   14   12

But you said always bet the 0s when tied. So he select 0 vs >1 (12-12) against 1 vs >1 (13-12)

Thanks Sam!
ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 22, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
Ernesto

If you're saying there is a tie at spin #44, I don't agree.  Look at this:

44   3   rr   35    12   13   12

The 12 13 is not a crossing.  Would have to be 13 12.  Only crossing is 1 vs 2 or >1 (whichever he calls it) which is 13 12.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 12:17:58 PM
Sam

At the spin #44 we have not only one crossing, I think.

                         0x  1x   >1
44   3   rr   35    12   13   12

We have 1x vs >1 and 0x vs >1, and he bet on 0x vs >1 because his bankroll increase with 24 unit, so he can't bet on 1x vs >1 (13-12) because in this case he win only 36-13=23 unit.

45   33   rr   59    11   14   12         +24 unit

But I think the 0s have higher priority when you have two trigger.

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 22, 2008, 12:27:10 PM
Ernesto

You are right.  I missed that!

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 12:54:46 PM
Winkel

I don't want to make off-topic with my questions, but I have more.
Please tell me if you want to see in this thread only your test and your summary.
Maybe I have to post the questions about this test in the Full Systems topic?

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 22, 2008, 01:46:28 PM
Sorry boys I´m not very well today.

You found following situation:
(your first question)
starting row 41
I bet a trigger 12-11 0vs>1
I bet three times and the trigger is gone 12-13

Decision don´t bet on "0" anymore

then row 46 "0" haven´t hit since 7 spins
and a new trigger 0vs"2" appears
Chance for "0" to fall is high now because target in spin 50 is 9 14 14

but because "0" is slow I just try 1 hit and then change to bet the other new trigger "1"vs"2"

it is what I called the "advanced way" because when you are new you only look for the trigger to come.
When you´re advanced you can see "what´s going on" and compare with the the trigger that appears and look if it is wise to bet or not.
If in doubt just don´t bet.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 22, 2008, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 11:30:26 AM
Sam

I don't think so that was the reason, because you can see in the next test.

Quote from: winkel on September 05, 2008, 08:03:33 PM
RNG

Code Select

41 32 25 14 11 12
42 6 25 13 12 12
43 1 rr 12 13 12 12
44 3 rr 35 12 13 12
45 33 rr 59 11 14 12
46 25 59 10 15 12


Winkel got two trigger in row 42. 13-12 and the 12-12. And that will be my next question: why he choose here 13-12?
And won in row 44 and he had again two trigger. He played here the 12-12, why not 13-12 again?

Winkel said in theese test he played every trigger, maybe when he had two trigger just pick one of them and play because it is not really important in long term.
Sometimes we select the loosing trigger, sometimes the winner.

ernesto

I don´t know where this situation is from, but I presume that "0" here also had have no hit several times so it was recommended to bet "0" instead of the other triggers.

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 02:05:21 PM
Thanks Winkel the answers!

Here is my next question
Quote from: winkel on September 08, 2008, 08:38:25 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
41 11 rr -28 14 12 11 6 5
42 19 nr -40 13 13 11 6 5
43 0 nr -17 13 12 12 7 5
44 22 nr -29 13 12 12 7 5


At spin #42 your bankroll was -40 and at #43 was only -17. The difference is 23, so you have to bet 13 untit, but I can see only 0 vs 1 trigger which is lost. Or can we bet on 1 vs 0?

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 22, 2008, 02:11:01 PM
winkel

Take care of yourself, Brother!

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 22, 2008, 02:36:55 PM
Quote from: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 02:05:21 PM
Thanks Winkel the answers!

Here is my next question
Quote from: winkel on September 08, 2008, 08:38:25 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
41 11 rr -28 14 12 11 6 5
42 19 nr -40 13 13 11 6 5
43 0 nr -17 13 12 12 7 5
44 22 nr -29 13 12 12 7 5






At spin #42 your bankroll was -40 and at #43 was only -17. The difference is 23, so you have to bet 13 untit, but I can see only 0 vs 1 trigger which is lost. Or can we bet on 1 vs 0?

ernesto

This bet in row 43 is absolutely wrong. Sorry for that mistake. I Can´t remember what happened there.

The situation is:
I watch 2 Tables at Wiesbaden producing numbers.
By changing from one Excel-Sheet to the other there may occure some confusion.
On the other hand I told already: you can simply play like an idiot and make wrong decisions the otucome is always the same: You win that often, that all your losses are recovered. Sometimes you win some units more.

Sorry for my mistakes, but you have to believe that I try a clinical test so nobody can say I didn´t bet because I saw the loss, or I did bet because I sow the win. Mistakes are human and I applie for that.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 03:17:19 PM
Winkel

Everybody make mistakes! But now I know this is a mistake, not a part of the strategy. That is waht I want to know.

I found a few mistake, because I'm not playing in real-time, just analyze your test.
But you play in real. So no problem, and thanks!

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 22, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 28 36 1 0 0 0
2 19 35 2 0 0 0
3 20 34 3 0 0 0
4 35 33 4 0 0 0
5 18 32 5 0 0 0
6 23 31 6 0 0 0
7 32 30 7 0 0 0
8 1 29 8 0 0 0
9 33 28 9 0 0 0
10 16 27 10 0 0 0
11 25 26 11 0 0 0
12 29 25 12 0 0 0
13 14 24 13 0 0 0
14 35 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 35 0 24 12 1 0 1
16 35 0 24 12 1 0 1
17 24 0 23 13 1 0 1
18 12 0 22 14 1 0 1
19 29 0 22 13 2 1 1
20 36 0 21 14 2 1 1
21 22 0 20 15 2 1 1
22 29 0 20 15 2 0 2
23 23 0 20 14 3 1 2
24 28 0 20 13 4 2 2
25 22 0 20 12 5 3 2
26 32 0 20 11 6 4 2
27 9 0 19 12 6 4 2
28 3 0 18 13 6 4 2
29 23 0 18 13 6 3 3
30 15 0 17 14 6 3 3
31 9 0 17 13 7 4 3
32 34 0 16 14 7 4 3
33 12 0 16 13 8 5 3
34 33 0 16 12 9 6 3
35 3 0 16 11 10 7 3
36 33 nr -11 16 11 10 6 4
37 36 nr 14 16 10 11 7 4
38 10 14 15 11 11 7 4
39 3 nr 3 15 11 11 6 5
40 5 nr -8 14 12 11 6 5
41 26 nr -20 13 13 11 6 5
42 15 rr -33 13 12 12 7 5
43 26 rr -46 13 11 13 8 5
44 15 rr -59 13 11 13 7 6
45 23 rr -72 13 11 13 7 6
46 20 -72 13 10 14 8 6
47 14 -72 13 9 15 9 6
48 15 nr -81 13 9 15 9 6
49 7 nr -90 12 10 15 9 6
50 25 nr -64 12 9 16 10 6


Live

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 8 36 1 0 0 0
2 29 35 2 0 0 0
3 2 34 3 0 0 0
4 27 33 4 0 0 0
5 6 32 5 0 0 0
6 28 31 6 0 0 0
7 10 30 7 0 0 0
8 6 30 6 1 1 0
9 15 29 7 1 1 0
10 21 28 8 1 1 0
11 6 28 8 1 0 1
12 3 27 9 1 0 1
13 8 27 8 2 1 1
14 1 0 26 9 2 1 1
15 2 0 26 8 3 2 1
16 27 0 26 7 4 3 1
17 27 0 26 7 4 2 2
18 0 0 25 8 4 2 2
19 25 0 24 9 4 2 2
20 17 0 23 10 4 2 2
21 32 0 22 11 4 2 2
22 1 0 22 10 5 3 2
23 33 0 21 11 5 3 2
24 5 0 20 12 5 3 2
25 29 0 20 11 6 4 2
26 18 0 19 12 6 4 2
27 6 0 19 12 6 4 2
28 2 0 19 12 6 3 3
29 20 0 18 13 6 3 3
30 10 0 18 12 7 4 3
31 30 0 17 13 7 4 3
32 25 0 17 12 8 5 3
33 6 0 17 12 8 5 3
34 24 0 16 13 8 5 3
35 4 0 15 14 8 5 3
36 5 rr -15 15 13 9 6 3
37 13 -15 14 14 9 6 3
38 20 rr -29 14 13 10 7 3
39 1 rr -43 14 13 10 6 4
40 12 -43 13 14 10 6 4
41 31 -43 12 15 10 6 4
42 29 -43 12 15 10 5 5
43 31 -43 12 14 11 6 5
44 5 rr -55 12 14 11 5 6
45 30 rr -67 12 13 12 6 6
46 3 rr -79 12 12 13 7 6
47 9 -79 11 13 13 7 6
48 31 nr -92 11 13 13 6 7
49 12 nr -69 11 12 14 7 7
50 23 -69 10 13 14 7 7


RNG
Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 7 36 1 0 0 0
2 13 35 2 0 0 0
3 17 34 3 0 0 0
4 22 33 4 0 0 0
5 11 32 5 0 0 0
6 10 31 6 0 0 0
7 7 31 5 1 1 0
8 25 30 6 1 1 0
9 3 29 7 1 1 0
10 20 28 8 1 1 0
11 6 27 9 1 1 0
12 26 26 10 1 1 0
13 18 25 11 1 1 0
14 24 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 12 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 17 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 0 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 15 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 9 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 4 0 19 16 2 2 0
21 8 0 18 17 2 2 0
22 21 0 17 18 2 2 0
23 3 0 17 17 3 3 0
24 21 rr -17 17 16 4 4 0
25 29 rr 2 16 17 4 4 0
26 4 2 16 16 5 5 0
27 24 rr -14 16 15 6 6 0
28 19 rr 6 15 16 6 6 0
29 14 6 14 17 6 6 0
30 22 6 14 16 7 7 0
31 30 6 13 17 7 7 0
32 31 6 12 18 7 7 0
33 29 6 12 17 8 8 0
34 15 6 12 16 9 9 0
35 13 6 12 15 10 10 0
36 6 6 12 14 11 11 0
37 21 rr -6 12 14 11 10 1
38 6 rr -18 12 14 11 9 2
39 30 rr -30 12 13 12 10 2
40 26 nr -7 12 12 13 11 2
41 21 rr -19 12 12 13 11 2
42 2 rr 5 11 13 13 11 2
43 21 nr -8 11 13 13 11 2
44 9 nr 15 11 12 14 12 2
45 4 nr 3 11 12 14 11 3
46 6 nr -9 11 12 14 11 3
47 12 nr 15 11 11 15 12 3
48 27 nr 8 10 12 15 12 3
49 3 nr 1 10 12 15 11 4
50 34 nr -6 9 13 15 11 4


[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   301   ,   -166   ,   441   ,   576
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139

[/table]

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Lohnro on September 23, 2008, 02:43:28 AM
Try this excel worksheet for testing GUT. Let me know if there is any problems?

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=188 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=188)

Cheers,
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 23, 2008, 05:08:30 AM
Thanks Lohnro, nice work!

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 23, 2008, 05:19:02 AM
Quote from: winkel on September 09, 2008, 11:02:11 AM
Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
41 12 41 13 14 10 7 3
42 25 41 13 14 10 6 4
43 23 41 13 14 10 5 5
44 28 fr 72 13 14 10 4 6
45 6 72 12 15 10 4 6
46 24 72 11 16 10 4 6
47 10 72 11 15 11 5 6
48 24 rr 61 11 14 12 6 6
49 26 61 11 13 13 7 6
50 5 nr 84 11 12 14 8 6


Winkel

1. At spin #42 you play 5-5. Can I play the same trigger at spin #48 6-6. Because there is no other trigger.

2. At spin #49 can I use the 7-6 insted of 13-13? Now the 7-6 are loosing, but maybe next time the 13-13 loose and the 7-6 win?
What is your advice?

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 23, 2008, 06:28:51 AM
1. I wouldn´t have played this one. I just did it, because the TestRule is: every trigger

2. If there are two triggers you can bet any of it.
If the trigger is high=13 it has a better chance to hit
If a trigger is low=7 you can bet 5 times instead of 2 times


You shouldn´t try to find a reason why a trigger hits or not. There´s no one.
It is roulette: everything can happen.
But if there´s a crossing it hits more often than it loses.
If there are 2 crossings and you are not sure, don´t bet
If you´re in doubt, just jump back and try to find a clear crossing.

br
winkel


Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 23, 2008, 08:59:09 AM
32 spins
+49 units
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 23, 2008, 02:03:38 PM
TopMan wrote:

0 vs >1 is possible bet too.

Another way of saying that is: 0 vs 2 and above.  Or 0 vs =>2

Again I pose this question:  If you have, say, 10 of 0 and 9 of >1 and one of the 0s hit, how will you have a crossing?  After the hit, you will have 9 0s and an additional 1.  The >1s will stay the same.

You cannot move from 0 to >1; you can only move from 0 to 1.

This thing has driven me out of my tree!

Sam

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 23, 2008, 02:23:28 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 23, 2008, 02:03:38 PM
You cannot move from 0 to >1; you can only move from 0 to 1.

This thing has driven me out of my tree!

and from 1 to two and from 2 to 3

That is the law this is based on.

That 1 is to cross 2 therefore 1 has to fall or 2 has to rise

look at the diagram: at that point 2 are still in the move to rise
0 cannot rise they have to fall

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 23, 2008, 02:29:32 PM
Hi Sam!

You talking about this?

        0x   1x   >1x
35    10   14     9

In this situation we can bet on 0 vs >1.
We bet on 0 vs >1, we bet on all unhit numbers from 0s.
The next spin come from 0s. So look like this

        0x   1x   >1x
18    9     14     9

We win, but when you see this on the graph you just see the 0s and >1 are in the same line. The 0s didn't go trought the >1 lines. So what we can really see is not a geometrial crossing.
When 0s coming down not necessary to moving up with >1.
Enough to us if the two lines are touching together.

I hope you want to ask this and my post is understandable.

Winkel, right?

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 23, 2008, 02:50:48 PM
Ernesto

Exactly!  Now I may be splitting hairs here, but that's what I do!  9 9 is not a crossing; it is an [highlight]equaling.[/highlight]

So, what's my point?  I understood we were betting for a possible crossing.  Here there is no possible crossing, so why are we betting?

I could just as easily say, "When I have ten unhit numbers, I will bet them."  bjb007's last six does this only on six or twelve.

All, trust me, I am not knocking this idea.  I feel--just a gut feeling!--that if we bet all crossings when only twelve numbers remained, and if there was a tie, but the lowest first (bet 1 over 2) and used Lanky's Six Point Divisor, I don't see how it could fail.  I see lots of crossings at the 12 number level.

Did I use enough stuff?   :D

Sam

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 23, 2008, 03:22:05 PM
Sam!

I happy if I can help to see the possible crossings.
But now I don't understand what you wrote before. You can combine two system or method?

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 23, 2008, 05:53:12 PM
Ernesto

Just saying to bet on a 12-number bet (dozen) and use Lanky's Six Point Divisor.  That is a money-management program.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 23, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
Hi TCS,

QuoteExactly!  Now I may be splitting hairs here, but that's what I do!  9 9 is not a crossing; it is an equaling.

So, what's my point?  I understood we were betting for a possible crossing.  Here there is no possible crossing, so why are we betting?

If you look at the diagram you see that the line of the 0s (blue) is crossing the line of the ">1" (dark red)

Now look:

11 18 8
11 17 9
11 16 10

0 = slow
1 = going down
>1 rising

14 14 9
13 15 9
12 16 9
11 17 9
10 18 9

0 = falling
1 = rising
>1 = slow

14   12   11
13   13   11
13   12   12
13   12   12
13   11   13
13   11   13
12   12   13


0 = slow
1 = up and down
>1 =  rising

Try to imagine what would be the best way to bet "0" crossing ">1"

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 23, 2008, 08:26:21 PM
winkel

Thank you for that explanation.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 24, 2008, 02:22:28 AM
Quote from: winkel on September 23, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
Try to imagine what would be the best way to bet "0" crossing ">1"

Winkel

I bet on this 0s vs >1
11 18 8
11 17 9
11 16 10

0 = slow
1 = going down
>1 rising

Because the second have lot of 0s in front and the third don't have 0s vs >1 trigger.

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 24, 2008, 03:07:48 AM
Yesterdays results

RNG
Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 35 36 1 0 0 0
2 33 35 2 0 0 0
3 23 34 3 0 0 0
4 26 33 4 0 0 0
5 17 32 5 0 0 0
6 30 31 6 0 0 0
7 26 31 5 1 1 0
8 22 30 6 1 1 0
9 32 29 7 1 1 0
10 26 29 7 1 0 1
11 7 28 8 1 0 1
12 6 27 9 1 0 1
13 20 26 10 1 0 1
14 10 0 25 11 1 0 1
15 24 0 24 12 1 0 1
16 4 0 23 13 1 0 1
17 4 0 23 12 2 1 1
18 25 0 22 13 2 1 1
19 8 0 21 14 2 1 1
20 36 0 20 15 2 1 1
21 27 0 19 16 2 1 1
22 19 0 18 17 2 1 1
23 13 0 17 18 2 1 1
24 13 0 17 17 3 2 1
25 26 rr -17 17 17 3 2 1
26 8 rr -34 17 16 4 3 1
27 30 -34 17 15 5 4 1
28 13 -34 17 15 5 3 2
29 2 -34 16 16 5 3 2
30 18 rr -14 15 17 5 3 2
31 23 -14 15 16 6 4 2
32 13 -14 15 16 6 4 2
33 11 -14 14 17 6 4 2
34 22 -14 14 16 7 5 2
35 35 -14 14 15 8 6 2
36 22 -14 14 15 8 5 3
37 8 -14 14 15 8 4 4
38 12 -14 13 16 8 4 4
39 4 -14 13 16 8 3 5
40 8 -14 13 16 8 3 5
41 10 -14 13 15 9 4 5
42 21 -14 12 16 9 4 5
43 34 -14 11 17 9 4 5
44 1 -14 10 18 9 4 5
45 21 rr -24 10 17 10 5 5
46 27 rr -34 10 16 11 6 5
47 14 -34 9 17 11 6 5
48 24 -34 9 16 12 7 5
49 20 -34 9 15 13 8 5
50 7 -34 9 14 14 9 5


Touchbet
Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 30 36 1 0 0 0
2 36 35 2 0 0 0
3 35 34 3 0 0 0
4 0 33 4 0 0 0
5 26 32 5 0 0 0
6 0 32 4 1 1 0
7 3 31 5 1 1 0
8 15 30 6 1 1 0
9 15 30 5 2 2 0
10 34 29 6 2 2 0
11 14 28 7 2 2 0
12 36 28 6 3 3 0
13 10 27 7 3 3 0
14 20 0 26 8 3 3 0
15 10 0 26 7 4 4 0
16 6 0 25 8 4 4 0
17 22 0 24 9 4 4 0
18 18 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 28 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 23 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 16 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 29 0 19 14 4 4 0
23 34 0 19 13 5 5 0
24 12 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 15 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 4 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 34 0 17 15 5 3 2
28 8 0 16 16 5 3 2
29 0 rr -16 16 16 5 2 3
30 2 rr 4 15 17 5 2 3
31 36 4 15 17 5 1 4
32 7 4 14 18 5 1 4
33 26 4 14 17 6 2 4
34 36 4 14 17 6 2 4
35 15 4 14 17 6 2 4
36 10 4 14 17 6 1 5
37 12 4 14 16 7 2 5
38 10 4 14 16 7 2 5
39 27 4 13 17 7 2 5
40 29 4 13 16 8 3 5
41 7 4 13 15 9 4 5
42 23 4 13 14 10 5 5
43 16 4 13 13 11 6 5
44 32 rr 27 12 14 11 6 5
45 14 rr 15 12 13 12 7 5
46 20 rr 3 12 12 13 8 5
47 30 rr -9 12 11 14 9 5
48 23 rr -21 12 11 14 8 6
49 27 rr -33 12 10 15 9 6
50 17 nr -43 11 11 15 9 6


Live
Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 0 36 1 0 0 0
2 23 35 2 0 0 0
3 8 34 3 0 0 0
4 16 33 4 0 0 0
5 33 32 5 0 0 0
6 17 31 6 0 0 0
7 33 31 5 1 1 0
8 34 30 6 1 1 0
9 8 30 5 2 2 0
10 3 29 6 2 2 0
11 0 29 5 3 3 0
12 7 28 6 3 3 0
13 7 28 5 4 4 0
14 16 0 28 4 5 5 0
15 35 0 27 5 5 5 0
16 1 0 26 6 5 5 0
17 0 0 26 6 5 4 1
18 28 0 25 7 5 4 1
19 14 0 24 8 5 4 1
20 2 0 23 9 5 4 1
21 23 0 23 8 6 5 1
22 31 0 22 9 6 5 1
23 20 0 21 10 6 5 1
24 28 0 21 9 7 6 1
25 15 0 20 10 7 6 1
26 31 0 20 9 8 7 1
27 29 0 19 10 8 7 1
28 26 0 18 11 8 7 1
29 22 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 29 0 17 11 9 8 1
31 12 0 16 12 9 8 1
32 30 0 15 13 9 8 1
33 5 0 14 14 9 8 1
34 19 rr 22 13 15 9 8 1
35 22 22 13 14 10 9 1
36 11 22 12 15 10 9 1
37 29 22 12 15 10 8 2
38 20 22 12 14 11 9 2
39 28 rr 10 12 14 11 8 3
40 22 rr -2 12 14 11 7 4
41 31 rr -14 12 14 11 6 5
42 1 -14 12 13 12 7 5
43 6 nr -27 11 14 12 7 5
44 7 -27 11 14 12 6 6
45 31 -27 11 14 12 6 6
46 26 nr -5 11 13 13 7 6
47 6 nr 18 11 12 14 8 6
48 30 18 11 11 15 9 6
49 29 rr 7 11 11 15 9 6
50 35 rr -4 11 10 16 10 6


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   267   ,   -209   ,   437   ,   495
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
[/table]

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 24, 2008, 03:15:49 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 12 36 1 0 0 0
2 23 35 2 0 0 0
3 12 35 1 1 1 0
4 18 34 2 1 1 0
5 32 33 3 1 1 0
6 18 33 2 2 2 0
7 8 32 3 2 2 0
8 2 31 4 2 2 0
9 29 30 5 2 2 0
10 15 29 6 2 2 0
11 36 28 7 2 2 0
12 18 28 7 2 1 1
13 12 28 7 2 0 2
14 26 0 27 8 2 0 2
15 15 0 27 7 3 1 2
16 9 0 26 8 3 1 2
17 29 0 26 7 4 2 2
18 9 0 26 6 5 3 2
19 24 0 25 7 5 3 2
20 11 0 24 8 5 3 2
21 28 0 23 9 5 3 2
22 21 0 22 10 5 3 2
23 8 0 22 9 6 4 2
24 33 0 21 10 6 4 2
25 11 0 21 9 7 5 2
26 32 0 21 8 8 6 2
27 23 0 21 7 9 7 2
28 21 0 21 6 10 8 2
29 1 0 20 7 10 8 2
30 20 0 19 8 10 8 2
31 16 0 18 9 10 8 2
32 0 0 17 10 10 8 2
33 4 0 16 11 10 8 2
34 23 0 16 11 10 7 3
35 31 0 15 12 10 7 3
36 18 0 15 12 10 7 3
37 7 0 14 13 10 7 3
38 23 rr -14 14 13 10 7 3
39 18 rr -28 14 13 10 7 3
40 31 -28 14 12 11 8 3
41 8 nr -40 14 12 11 7 4
42 19 nr -52 13 13 11 7 4
43 17 rr -29 12 14 11 7 4
44 9 rr -41 12 14 11 6 5
45 26 rr -53 12 13 12 7 5
46 17 rr -65 12 12 13 8 5
47 26 rr -77 12 12 13 7 6
48 7 rr -84 12 11 14 8 6
49 6 rr -55 11 12 14 8 6
50 6 -55 11 11 15 9 6
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 24, 2008, 05:24:32 AM
Quote from: winkel on September 23, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
Try to imagine what would be the best way to bet "0" crossing ">1"

Winkel

What is the right answer to your question about 0 vs >1?

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 24, 2008, 07:49:43 AM
Finally opened up an account on DB tonight.

First session: Up 49 units after 53 spins.

Will keep you posted.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 24, 2008, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: ernesto on September 24, 2008, 05:24:32 AM
Quote from: winkel on September 23, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
Try to imagine what would be the best way to bet "0" crossing ">1"

Winkel

What is the right answer to your question about 0 vs >1?

ernesto

The first example is the most complicated
if we are at spin 37 i would play that "1"s put ">1"s higher
if we are at spin 50 I would play that after a row of 1s now a "0" is more possible to appear.

Do you agree?

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 24, 2008, 08:50:23 AM
absolutely agree!

thanks

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 24, 2008, 09:45:09 AM
Session 2: 40 spins, +46.

Total +95.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 24, 2008, 10:48:58 AM
Nice, keep posting Shorty!

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 24, 2008, 12:19:22 PM
touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 6 36 1 0 0 0
2 21 35 2 0 0 0
3 3 34 3 0 0 0
4 36 33 4 0 0 0
5 29 32 5 0 0 0
6 20 31 6 0 0 0
7 9 30 7 0 0 0
8 0 29 8 0 0 0
9 6 29 7 1 1 0
10 15 28 8 1 1 0
11 27 27 9 1 1 0
12 24 26 10 1 1 0
13 21 26 9 2 2 0
14 4 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 5 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 20 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 9 0 24 9 4 4 0
18 12 0 23 10 4 4 0
19 26 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 10 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 16 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 15 0 20 12 5 5 0
23 10 0 20 11 6 6 0
24 25 0 19 12 6 6 0
25 27 0 19 11 7 7 0
26 23 0 18 12 7 7 0
27 27 0 18 12 7 6 1
28 26 0 18 11 8 7 1
29 8 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 1 0 16 13 8 7 1
31 28 0 15 14 8 7 1
32 15 rr -15 15 14 8 6 2
33 28 rr -30 15 13 9 7 2
34 11 -30 14 14 9 7 2
35 6 rr -44 14 14 9 6 3
36 13 rr -22 13 15 9 6 3
37 22 -22 12 16 9 6 3
38 31 -22 11 17 9 6 3
39 28 -22 11 17 9 5 4
40 4 -22 11 16 10 6 4
41 32 rr 3 10 17 10 6 4
42 26 rr -7 10 17 10 5 5
43 8 rr -17 10 16 11 6 5
44 32 -17 10 15 12 7 5
45 12 -17 10 14 13 8 5
46 8 nr -31 10 14 13 7 6
47 26 nr -45 10 14 13 7 6
48 8 -45 10 14 13 7 6
49 18 -45 9 15 13 7 6
50 10 -45 9 15 13 6 7


Live

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 9 36 1 0 0 0
2 17 35 2 0 0 0
3 15 34 3 0 0 0
4 19 33 4 0 0 0
5 22 32 5 0 0 0
6 31 31 6 0 0 0
7 22 31 5 1 1 0
8 36 30 6 1 1 0
9 29 29 7 1 1 0
10 26 28 8 1 1 0
11 27 27 9 1 1 0
12 18 26 10 1 1 0
13 8 25 11 1 1 0
14 15 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 26 0 25 9 3 3 0
16 25 0 24 10 3 3 0
17 11 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 5 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 36 0 22 11 4 4 0
20 16 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 22 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 17 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 0 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 7 0 19 13 5 4 1
25 7 0 19 12 6 5 1
26 1 0 18 13 6 5 1
27 2 0 17 14 6 5 1
28 2 0 17 13 7 6 1
29 8 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 17 0 17 12 8 6 2
31 31 0 17 11 9 7 2
32 35 0 16 12 9 7 2
33 16 0 16 11 10 8 2
34 25 nr 25 16 10 11 9 2
35 22 25 16 10 11 9 2
36 34 25 15 11 11 9 2
37 23 nr 14 14 12 11 9 2
38 17 nr 2 14 12 11 9 2
39 2 nr -10 14 12 11 8 3
40 29 -10 14 11 12 9 3
41 28 -10 13 12 12 9 3
42 19 rr -23 13 11 13 10 3
43 12 rr 0 12 12 13 10 3
44 4 rr 24 11 13 13 10 3
45 3 nr 11 10 14 13 10 3
46 34 nr 33 10 13 14 11 3
47 24 33 9 14 14 11 3
48 18 nr 55 9 13 15 12 3
49 8 nr 42 9 13 15 11 4
50 8 42 9 13 15 11 4


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   212   ,   -254   ,   479   ,   437
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
[/table]

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 24, 2008, 10:34:10 PM
Session 3: 31 spins, +63.

Total: +158.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 25, 2008, 07:28:30 AM
Session 4: -15 units. 46 spins. Was up about 30 at one stage after 20 spins.

Total: +143
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 25, 2008, 09:00:48 AM

[table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
Total,198,+209
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 25, 2008, 10:13:12 AM
Shorty,

I looked at your post under "edit" as an administrator.  I can see you tried to use the table. I am going to re-create your post showing you how to do it and then post it.  It's up to you as to whether or not you take down your post.

Sam

[escape][table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
Total,198,+209
[/table] [/escape]

[table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
Total,198,+209
[/table]

Now, would you please tell me how you are doing this?  What crossings and at what number?

To edit your post and add to it, go to modify and highlight and copy from [ down to ].  Then use the back arrow to go back and go to "reply".  Paste the table and add to it.  Very easy to do.

Please use it.

Thanks

Sam

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 25, 2008, 10:34:07 AM
Thanks Sam, always wondered how to do that.

Well I haven't bet on the '0' column to cross yet, hate doing it, hate all systems that follow sleepers etc.

I mostly play on the '2' v '3' which does often come before 30 spins, and if I'm a bit later in the game: '3' v '>3'.

It's actually surprising that they have been crossing so often since I've been playing.

If you want the numbers of any session, I can post as I have saved them all.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 25, 2008, 10:59:26 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 11 36 1 0 0 0
2 12 35 2 0 0 0
3 19 34 3 0 0 0
4 27 33 4 0 0 0
5 19 33 3 1 1 0
6 36 32 4 1 1 0
7 28 31 5 1 1 0
8 23 30 6 1 1 0
9 10 29 7 1 1 0
10 0 28 8 1 1 0
11 30 27 9 1 1 0
12 21 26 10 1 1 0
13 33 25 11 1 1 0
14 17 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 23 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 14 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 36 0 23 11 3 3 0
18 32 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 13 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 20 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 17 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 4 0 19 14 4 4 0
23 17 0 19 14 4 3 1
24 35 0 18 15 4 3 1
25 35 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 24 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 23 0 17 15 5 3 2
28 23 0 17 15 5 3 2
29 4 0 17 14 6 4 2
30 9 0 16 15 6 4 2
31 33 rr -16 16 14 7 5 2
32 0 -16 16 13 8 6 2
33 26 -16 15 14 8 6 2
34 24 rr -31 15 13 9 7 2
35 14 -31 15 12 10 8 2
36 27 -31 15 11 11 9 2
37 1 nr -42 14 12 11 9 2
38 26 nr -18 14 11 12 10 2
39 22 -18 13 12 12 10 2
40 2 rr 5 12 13 12 10 2
41 22 nr 28 12 12 13 11 2
42 9 rr 16 12 11 14 12 2
43 26 rr 4 12 11 14 11 3
44 30 rr -8 12 10 15 12 3
45 36 rr -20 12 10 15 11 4
46 16 rr 4 11 11 15 11 4
47 36 rr -7 11 11 15 11 4
48 1 rr -14 11 10 16 12 4
49 7 rr 15 10 11 16 12 4
50 24 15 10 11 16 11 5


Live

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 0 36 1 0 0 0
2 3 35 2 0 0 0
3 6 34 3 0 0 0
4 26 33 4 0 0 0
5 16 32 5 0 0 0
6 18 31 6 0 0 0
7 31 30 7 0 0 0
8 11 29 8 0 0 0
9 34 28 9 0 0 0
10 6 28 8 1 1 0
11 23 27 9 1 1 0
12 32 26 10 1 1 0
13 0 26 9 2 2 0
14 6 0 26 9 2 1 1
15 16 0 26 8 3 2 1
16 30 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 0 0 25 9 3 1 2
18 1 0 24 10 3 1 2
19 17 0 23 11 3 1 2
20 23 0 23 10 4 2 2
21 6 0 23 10 4 2 2
22 4 0 22 11 4 2 2
23 35 0 21 12 4 2 2
24 12 0 20 13 4 2 2
25 0 0 20 13 4 2 2
26 30 0 20 12 5 3 2
27 36 0 19 13 5 3 2
28 34 0 19 12 6 4 2
29 28 0 18 13 6 4 2
30 29 0 17 14 6 4 2
31 22 0 16 15 6 4 2
32 9 rr 20 15 16 6 4 2
33 25 20 14 17 6 4 2
34 28 20 14 16 7 5 2
35 27 20 13 17 7 5 2
36 18 20 13 16 8 6 2
37 4 20 13 15 9 7 2
38 14 20 12 16 9 7 2
39 18 20 12 16 9 6 3
40 6 20 12 16 9 6 3
41 32 20 12 15 10 7 3
42 13 20 11 16 10 7 3
43 28 rr 9 11 16 10 6 4
44 32 rr -2 11 16 10 5 5
45 28 rr -13 11 16 10 5 5
46 35 rr -24 11 15 11 6 5
47 20 rr 1 10 16 11 6 5
48 9 1 10 15 12 7 5
49 21 1 9 16 12 7 5
50 17 1 9 15 13 8 5


Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 20 36 1 0 0 0
2 12 35 2 0 0 0
3 27 34 3 0 0 0
4 22 33 4 0 0 0
5 22 33 3 1 1 0
6 1 32 4 1 1 0
7 33 31 5 1 1 0
8 14 30 6 1 1 0
9 7 29 7 1 1 0
10 3 28 8 1 1 0
11 29 27 9 1 1 0
12 36 26 10 1 1 0
13 18 25 11 1 1 0
14 11 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 14 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 14 0 24 11 2 1 1
17 0 0 23 12 2 1 1
18 21 0 22 13 2 1 1
19 10 0 21 14 2 1 1
20 31 0 20 15 2 1 1
21 32 0 19 16 2 1 1
22 18 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 5 0 18 16 3 2 1
24 21 0 18 15 4 3 1
25 7 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 15 0 17 15 5 4 1
27 18 0 17 15 5 3 2
28 3 0 17 14 6 4 2
29 11 0 17 13 7 5 2
30 9 0 16 14 7 5 2
31 22 0 16 14 7 4 3
32 3 0 16 14 7 3 4
33 2 0 15 15 7 3 4
34 30 rr 21 14 16 7 3 4
35 11 21 14 16 7 2 5
36 35 21 13 17 7 2 5
37 22 21 13 17 7 2 5
38 18 21 13 17 7 2 5
39 21 21 13 17 7 1 6
40 19 21 12 18 7 1 6
41 32 21 12 17 8 2 6
42 32 21 12 17 8 1 7
43 17 21 11 18 8 1 7
44 12 21 11 17 9 2 7
45 34 21 10 18 9 2 7
46 3 rr 11 10 18 9 2 7
47 25 rr 37 9 19 9 2 7
48 28 rr 64 8 20 9 2 7
49 11 64 8 20 9 2 7
50 11 64 8 20 9 2 7


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   212   ,   -254   ,   479   ,   437
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 25, 2008, 11:40:07 AM
[table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
6, 49, +31
Total,247,+240
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 25, 2008, 11:49:53 AM
Shorty

Thanks for that answer and for using the chart.  Victor was kind enough to create this at my gripe and I feel we all should use it.

I also find 2 vs 3 a good one. 

I don't need your numbers; I trust your accuracy.  Just wanted to try to duplicate on a different wheel.  I will try them with Riverbelle.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 25, 2008, 12:15:56 PM
winkel asked this question:

Try to imagine what would be the best way to bet "0" crossing ">1"

My answer:  The 0 falling and the >1 rising. 

EDIT:  That answer is wrong as it can't happen.

I will have to study the question more.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 26, 2008, 06:07:07 AM
[table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
6, 49, +31
7,43,-52
Total,290,+188
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 26, 2008, 06:15:02 AM
Shorty

I am having a tough time all of a sudden, but then all my tests are not going well.  I think I'm on a personal losing streak.  I will continue to test the 2 v 3 daily and see if I can get something going.

Thanks for your posts.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 26, 2008, 06:23:07 AM
No worries Sam, I hit my first big loss today just before, I'll see how I go tonight. I'll do two or three sessions and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 26, 2008, 11:56:23 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 31 36 1 0 0 0
2 20 35 2 0 0 0
3 6 34 3 0 0 0
4 24 33 4 0 0 0
5 20 33 3 1 1 0
6 20 33 3 1 0 1
7 7 32 4 1 0 1
8 21 31 5 1 0 1
9 2 30 6 1 0 1
10 15 29 7 1 0 1
11 34 28 8 1 0 1
12 0 27 9 1 0 1
13 33 26 10 1 0 1
14 24 0 26 9 2 1 1
15 29 0 25 10 2 1 1
16 31 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 17 0 24 10 3 2 1
18 18 0 23 11 3 2 1
19 6 0 23 10 4 3 1
20 6 0 23 10 4 2 2
21 15 0 23 9 5 3 2
22 13 0 22 10 5 3 2
23 33 0 22 9 6 4 2
24 36 0 21 10 6 4 2
25 14 0 20 11 6 4 2
26 19 0 19 12 6 4 2
27 5 0 18 13 6 4 2
28 0 0 18 12 7 5 2
29 2 0 18 11 8 6 2
30 3 0 17 12 8 6 2
31 25 0 16 13 8 6 2
32 15 0 16 13 8 5 3
33 4 0 15 14 8 5 3
34 33 rr -15 15 14 8 4 4
35 5 rr -30 15 13 9 5 4
36 2 -30 15 13 9 4 5
37 11 -30 14 14 9 4 5
38 7 rr -44 14 13 10 5 5
39 16 rr -22 13 14 10 5 5
40 1 -22 12 15 10 5 5
41 6 -22 12 15 10 5 5
42 17 -22 12 14 11 6 5
43 6 rr -34 12 14 11 6 5
44 29 nr -12 12 13 12 7 5
45 0 rr -24 12 13 12 6 6
46 23 rr 0 11 14 12 6 6
47 33 0 11 14 12 6 6
48 34 0 11 13 13 7 6
49 25 nr 29 11 12 14 8 6
50 8 29 10 13 14 8 6


touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 4 36 1 0 0 0
2 28 35 2 0 0 0
3 0 34 3 0 0 0
4 26 33 4 0 0 0
5 34 32 5 0 0 0
6 13 31 6 0 0 0
7 10 30 7 0 0 0
8 30 29 8 0 0 0
9 19 28 9 0 0 0
10 13 28 8 1 1 0
11 30 28 7 2 2 0
12 26 28 6 3 3 0
13 31 27 7 3 3 0
14 13 0 27 7 3 2 1
15 33 0 26 8 3 2 1
16 14 0 25 9 3 2 1
17 9 0 24 10 3 2 1
18 14 0 24 9 4 3 1
19 4 0 24 8 5 4 1
20 1 0 23 9 5 4 1
21 6 0 22 10 5 4 1
22 22 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 25 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 31 0 20 11 6 5 1
25 16 0 19 12 6 5 1
26 26 0 19 12 6 4 2
27 31 0 19 12 6 3 3
28 9 0 19 11 7 4 3
29 15 0 18 12 7 4 3
30 4 0 18 12 7 3 4
31 8 0 17 13 7 3 4
32 30 0 17 13 7 2 5
33 20 0 16 14 7 2 5
34 10 0 16 13 8 3 5
35 13 0 16 13 8 3 5
36 2 0 15 14 8 3 5
37 10 rr -15 15 14 8 2 6
38 17 rr 6 14 15 8 2 6
39 26 6 14 15 8 2 6
40 20 6 14 14 9 3 6
41 9 rr -8 14 14 9 2 7
42 23 rr 14 13 15 9 2 7
43 26 14 13 15 9 2 7
44 31 14 13 15 9 2 7
45 2 14 13 14 10 3 7
46 15 14 13 13 11 4 7
47 20 rr 1 13 13 11 3 8
48 11 rr 24 12 14 11 3 8
49 26 rr 12 12 14 11 3 8
50 19 rr 0 12 13 12 4 8


Live

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 26 36 1 0 0 0
2 17 35 2 0 0 0
3 31 34 3 0 0 0
4 17 34 2 1 1 0
5 27 33 3 1 1 0
6 25 32 4 1 1 0
7 19 31 5 1 1 0
8 1 30 6 1 1 0
9 13 29 7 1 1 0
10 4 28 8 1 1 0
11 23 27 9 1 1 0
12 34 26 10 1 1 0
13 32 25 11 1 1 0
14 5 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 33 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 2 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 26 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 25 0 22 12 3 3 0
19 9 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 23 0 21 12 4 4 0
21 13 0 21 11 5 5 0
22 9 0 21 10 6 6 0
23 35 0 20 11 6 6 0
24 10 0 19 12 6 6 0
25 0 0 18 13 6 6 0
26 25 0 18 13 6 5 1
27 2 0 18 12 7 6 1
28 10 0 18 11 8 7 1
29 16 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 32 0 17 11 9 8 1
31 31 0 17 10 10 9 1
32 1 nr 26 17 9 11 10 1
33 28 nr 17 16 10 11 10 1
34 33 nr 43 16 9 12 11 1
35 14 43 15 10 12 11 1
36 27 43 15 9 13 12 1
37 29 43 14 10 13 12 1
38 32 rr 29 14 10 13 11 2
39 8 rr 51 13 11 13 11 2
40 1 rr 38 13 11 13 10 3
41 18 rr 61 12 12 13 10 3
42 12 rr 85 11 13 13 10 3
43 25 nr 72 11 13 13 10 3
44 15 nr 59 10 14 13 10 3
45 22 rr 85 9 15 13 10 3
46 5 85 9 14 14 11 3
47 20 nr 71 8 15 14 11 3
48 19 nr 92 8 14 15 12 3
49 23 92 8 14 15 11 4
50 26 92 8 14 15 10 5


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   212   ,   -254   ,   479   ,   437
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: JHM on September 26, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
Winkel do you have any idea why you're losing on touchebet?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 26, 2008, 01:07:18 PM
Yes it is due to the clinical way to test: betting every crossing until spin 50. No jump back no stopp!

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 27, 2008, 11:39:14 AM
RNG

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 36 36 1 0 0 0
2 6 35 2 0 0 0
3 26 34 3 0 0 0
4 30 33 4 0 0 0
5 14 32 5 0 0 0
6 16 31 6 0 0 0
7 1 30 7 0 0 0
8 19 29 8 0 0 0
9 21 28 9 0 0 0
10 3 27 10 0 0 0
11 23 26 11 0 0 0
12 34 25 12 0 0 0
13 30 25 11 1 1 0
14 22 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 24 0 23 13 1 1 0
16 12 0 22 14 1 1 0
17 8 0 21 15 1 1 0
18 14 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 27 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 22 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 21 0 20 13 4 4 0
22 26 0 20 12 5 5 0
23 25 0 19 13 5 5 0
24 31 0 18 14 5 5 0
25 26 0 18 14 5 4 1
26 24 0 18 13 6 5 1
27 9 0 17 14 6 5 1
28 19 0 17 13 7 6 1
29 4 0 16 14 7 6 1
30 16 0 16 13 8 7 1
31 33 0 15 14 8 7 1
32 7 rr 21 14 15 8 7 1
33 20 21 13 16 8 7 1
34 27 21 13 15 9 8 1
35 14 21 13 15 9 7 2
36 3 21 13 14 10 8 2
37 4 21 13 13 11 9 2
38 35 rr 44 12 14 11 9 2
39 18 44 11 15 11 9 2
40 13 rr 69 10 16 11 9 2
41 6 69 10 15 12 10 2
42 31 rr 59 10 14 13 11 2
43 36 nr 81 10 13 14 12 2
44 2 nr 68 9 14 14 12 2
45 25 68 9 13 15 13 2
46 17 nr 55 8 14 15 13 2
47 11 55 7 15 15 13 2
48 24 nr 40 7 15 15 12 3
49 9 nr 61 7 14 16 13 3
50 24 nr 47 7 14 16 13 3


Touchbet

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 17 36 1 0 0 0
2 26 35 2 0 0 0
3 10 34 3 0 0 0
4 24 33 4 0 0 0
5 3 32 5 0 0 0
6 34 31 6 0 0 0
7 3 31 5 1 1 0
8 17 31 4 2 2 0
9 10 31 3 3 3 0
10 0 30 4 3 3 0
11 27 29 5 3 3 0
12 33 28 6 3 3 0
13 15 27 7 3 3 0
14 27 0 27 6 4 4 0
15 10 0 27 6 4 3 1
16 5 0 26 7 4 3 1
17 18 0 25 8 4 3 1
18 8 0 24 9 4 3 1
19 23 0 23 10 4 3 1
20 1 0 22 11 4 3 1
21 21 0 21 12 4 3 1
22 23 0 21 11 5 4 1
23 36 0 20 12 5 4 1
24 34 0 20 11 6 5 1
25 32 0 19 12 6 5 1
26 22 0 18 13 6 5 1
27 24 0 18 12 7 6 1
28 1 0 18 11 8 7 1
29 7 0 17 12 8 7 1
30 3 0 17 12 8 6 2
31 31 0 16 13 8 6 2
32 28 0 15 14 8 6 2
33 7 rr -15 15 13 9 7 2
34 33 -15 15 12 10 8 2
35 4 -15 14 13 10 8 2
36 36 rr -29 14 12 11 9 2
37 6 nr -41 13 13 11 9 2
38 21 rr -54 13 12 12 10 2
39 22 nr -30 13 11 13 11 2
40 31 nr -5 13 10 14 12 2
41 13 -5 12 11 14 12 2
42 1 rr -17 12 11 14 11 3
43 5 nr 8 12 10 15 12 3
44 15 rr -4 12 9 16 13 3
45 9 -4 11 10 16 13 3
46 31 rr -15 11 10 16 12 4
47 6 rr -26 11 9 17 13 4
48 35 -26 10 10 17 13 4
49 3 rr -36 10 10 17 13 4
50 14 rr -10 9 11 17 13 4


Live

Code Select
Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
1 25 36 1 0 0 0
2 11 35 2 0 0 0
3 34 34 3 0 0 0
4 14 33 4 0 0 0
5 29 32 5 0 0 0
6 1 31 6 0 0 0
7 28 30 7 0 0 0
8 26 29 8 0 0 0
9 0 28 9 0 0 0
10 23 27 10 0 0 0
11 28 27 9 1 1 0
12 6 26 10 1 1 0
13 19 25 11 1 1 0
14 3 0 24 12 1 1 0
15 34 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 33 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 4 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 17 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 11 0 21 13 3 3 0
20 21 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 34 0 20 14 3 2 1
22 8 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 11 0 19 15 3 1 2
24 4 0 19 14 4 2 2
25 14 0 19 13 5 3 2
26 9 0 18 14 5 3 2
27 22 0 17 15 5 3 2
28 8 0 17 14 6 4 2
29 36 0 16 15 6 4 2
30 14 rr -16 16 15 6 3 3
31 9 rr -32 16 14 7 4 3
32 13 -32 15 15 7 4 3
33 36 rr -47 15 14 8 5 3
34 8 rr -62 15 14 8 4 4
35 16 -62 14 15 8 4 4
36 25 -62 14 14 9 5 4
37 35 rr -40 13 15 9 5 4
38 5 -40 12 16 9 5 4
39 17 -40 12 15 10 6 4
40 26 -40 12 14 11 7 4
41 11 rr -52 12 14 11 7 4
42 24 rr -28 11 15 11 7 4
43 36 rr -39 11 15 11 6 5
44 18 rr -14 10 16 11 6 5
45 7 -14 9 17 11 6 5
46 26 -14 9 17 11 5 6
47 24 -14 9 16 12 6 6
48 34 -14 9 16 12 6 6
49 0 -14 9 15 13 7 6
50 25 -14 9 15 13 6 7


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   212   ,   -254   ,   479   ,   [highlight]661[/highlight]
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
24   ,   47   ,   -10   ,   -14   ,   23
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 27, 2008, 11:45:48 AM
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1222526674.png&hash=1c800841b2a728ca0d0510611e68433d5f472fcc)

picture 1: bankrolls of every table and total
picture 2: bankroll of playing game after game
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 27, 2008, 04:20:48 PM
Look how he went from a high of about 700 down to 400.

Had you started testing at that high point you would see nothing but down, down ,down for many spins. 

Then it's all good again!

Hopefully that is what I am seeing with the 4Selecta and Chicco/murph---just a market correction!

Excellent work, Professor!!  How ever do you make those graphs?  Is there a little program I can download?

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 27, 2008, 04:25:29 PM
Hi TCS,

don´t forget, that this is the strictly clinical way of testing it.

read the records and decide if you had done all these bets as they werre ordered by the rules.

look at this:

simple additional rule: stop at +40 but try to recover
[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   321    ,   -102    ,   313    ,      ,   
1    ,   -32    ,   37    ,   41    ,   46    ,   46
2    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   -26    ,   3    ,   49
3    ,   59    ,   -43    ,   -22    ,   -6    ,   43
4    ,   21    ,   -31    ,   -1    ,   -11    ,   32
5    ,   -18    ,   -14    ,   -16    ,   -48    ,   -16
6    ,   47    ,   41    ,   41    ,   129    ,   113
7    ,   44    ,   -79    ,   59    ,   24    ,   137
8    ,   -10    ,   40    ,   44    ,   74    ,   211
9    ,   -45    ,   -30    ,   2    ,   -73    ,   138
10    ,   56    ,   44    ,   -49    ,   51    ,   189
11    ,   -3    ,   -9    ,   55    ,   43    ,   232
12    ,   17    ,   37    ,   25    ,   79    ,   311
13    ,   6    ,   -23    ,   43    ,   26    ,   337
14    ,   4    ,   -66    ,   44    ,   -18    ,   319
15    ,   45    ,   5    ,   3    ,   53    ,   372
16    ,   54    ,   41    ,   2    ,   97    ,   469
17    ,   41    ,   30    ,   26    ,   97    ,   566
18    ,   59    ,   -30    ,   43    ,   72    ,   638
19    ,   -6    ,   -64    ,   -69    ,   -139    ,   499
20    ,   -34    ,   -43    ,   -4    ,   -81    ,   418
21    ,   -55    ,   -45    ,   42    ,   -58    ,   360
22    ,   15    ,   64    ,   1    ,   80    ,   440
23    ,   29    ,   0    ,   43    ,   72    ,   512
24    ,   44    ,   -10    ,   -14    ,   20    ,   532
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on September 27, 2008, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 27, 2008, 04:20:48 PM
How ever do you make those graphs?  Is there a little program I can download?

Sam

It is an AddIn of Excel

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 29, 2008, 08:43:59 AM
I did session 8,9 and 10 continuing on from each other. (Tracking back 20ish spins when in profit)


[table=,]
Session,Spin,Result
1,53,+49
2,40,+46
3,31,+63
4,46,-15
5,28,+66
6, 49, +31
7,43,-52
(8.9.10), approx 100, +85
Total,390,+273
[/table]

EDIT: Made a mistake with the table, the last session was +85, not +73.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 29, 2008, 10:08:17 AM
Good work, Shorty!

Keep those + signs coming!

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: ernesto on September 29, 2008, 12:19:24 PM
I made my first test. Just I want to estimate the time to reach the +100 unit with 1 unit/number.

It was about 2 hour and 150 spins. I had two bigger down (-40 unit), but it recover slowly.

I played only the 0x, 1x, and >1x because I'm a begginner GUT-tester. But I tried to follow the binomial distibution too.
Play for 50 spin, step back 18 if I win more than 40.

My obsevation is: it can be recover my loss if I have patience and time to continue playing.

ernesto
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Advantage.Player on September 30, 2008, 09:20:10 AM
My test yielded +278 units after 73 spins! And this is only flat betting. NOT ONCE has there ever been a system Ive played that could get this profit in this number of spins - even with a progression.

Winkel, if you do read this; Thank you. Your method is great and I do believe it DOES deserve its Holy Grail name. Sad to see you leave but I wouldn't blame you with how you were treated.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on September 30, 2008, 10:28:00 AM
Advantage Player

Hopefully winkel is looking in a guest and he will read those words. 

To help me and anyone else, would you comment a little on how you play the crossings?  For instance, I see most crossings after spin 15 on 0 v 1 or 0 v(1+>1) and around 12 on 1 v 2.  What's your experience?

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Advantage.Player on September 30, 2008, 07:34:09 PM
Ill explain it when I get some time (later today) because I have to goto to class soon (college)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on September 30, 2008, 10:50:56 PM
Took a big hit yesterday. I would have played around 300 spins for the day.

Ended up down 113 units.

Total for the week: +140.

I will start a new table now as it's a new month, and just post daily profits/losses.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Advantage.Player on September 30, 2008, 11:56:54 PM
Ok Ill see how I go for time but I may need to stop half way through and come back and edit my post.

Use hte latest GUT tracker (the one with the 0, >0, 1, >1, 2, >2, etc columns).

Tracker your numbers as they appear and look for a crossing as explained below.

First off, the order of priority of the crossings are from left to right (decreasing). So play the left most crossing. However after around 60 spins start to make the groups (wether it is 0, 1, 2 or 3) with the most numbers in it the priority groups as it contains more numbers = easier to win on.

Now the crossings.

These are the MAJOR columns; 0, 1, 2 and 3.

And these are the MINOR columns. >0, >1, >2 and >3.

They are arranged as this in the tracker - 0  >0  1  >1  2  >2  3  >3

NOW possible crossings are up to a maximum of 3 columns right from a major column. (Hint >0 = 1 + >1 and >1 = 2 + >2, etc so thats why I use this version - so I dont have to add this up and make mistakes).

Example: possible crossings for the 0 group/column are between 0 and >0, 0 and 1 or 0 and >1. Possible crossings for the 1 group/column are between 1 and >1, 1 and 2 or 1 and >2. Get the picture, move up to a max of 3 columns right of a major column for crossings.

I hope this explains it well but I may have to be a Winkel and explain this 100's of times to other members lol.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Shorty on October 01, 2008, 06:42:42 AM
I'm ready to throw this one away, lost everything down to my starting BR over the last 2 days. It does have potential and works great but I just hit a huge losing streak, even played on different tables.

Oh well, onto the next one.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 01, 2008, 10:44:09 AM
Shorty

I am sorry to to hear that, but I think you for posting.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 01, 2008, 05:24:43 PM
well,

i am testing a variation on this tonight.

i have built up a spreadsheet and basically option 1 (original idea) was to play numbers that flashed as a crossing for 0 and for 1 assuming all stings of numbers tracked taking last 25 to last 55 numbers as start point. ie - last 25 numbers, is there a crossing. last 26 is there a crossing. last 27 is there a crossing and so on. where there were crossings on 0 and on 1 - i would bet the ones that appeared on both. It doesnt win.

option 2 = bet the ones that flash more than 5 times in these scenarios.

test number 1 = +21 in 50 spins.

then i thought what about bet the ones that appeared 66% of time since sometimes there were just 4 crosses in all so the 5+ couldnt work. call this option 3.

next 50 spins

option 2 = +64
option 3 = +62
option 1 as fyi = -9

option 1 on previous 50 was -13.

Now while option 1 looks a dud, you average around 4 to 6 numbers. So a simple progression would make this a winner. It seems to blow hot and cold and if you had 2 winners you would walk since a string of losers would happen......

option 2 & 3 get killed when you get a hot number that is >1 hit say 2 or 3 times in a row. So in last test, option 3 actually lost -51 in the last 4 spins. next trial or trial 1 of next 50 it wins 22.

I'll continue to test as long as positive. I'll post results if anyone interested.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 01, 2008, 06:11:42 PM
Hi tucktuckster,

as you remember: I posted a picture of my spreadsheet where I explained I do exactly this you describe here.

This is just to proof:
1. every posiible selection-method of this is tested
2. if you ´ve learned the basics you are able to find the higher educated ways to bet by yourself, because it teaches you to watch "what´s going on"


@shorty
please remeber that I said from the beginning: This is not a strategy you win every session you start, but over all you will stay winning. you just have to accept that there are situations you donn´t win.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 02, 2008, 02:04:23 PM
i do remember.

can u give me any more advanced pointers....

i seem to be finding that watching around the 25th spin mark is a good indicator, as is the 50+.

so when the 25th spin is showing 0 at <19, then the 0 crossings around the 30th spin seem to do well.

likewise when the 1's are low, it seems to be them that are hitting. there seem to be cycles. a lot of 0 crossings hit when they are slightly ahead. then when the 0's are very low around the 50 spin mark the 0's tend to correct and be high at 25 spin mark and they dont hit often.

i like the one that adds up the instances of a number and the number of crossings it is involved with. Its almost as if - you have 30 sequences. If there are 10 possible crossings and a number is in 8 of them - then its logical this has a good chance of hitting?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: bjb007 on October 04, 2008, 06:18:01 PM
Quote..

"They are arranged as this in the tracker - 0  >0  1  >1  2  >2  3  >3"

Strange.  Last time I looked >1 included 2,3,4....>2,3 and > 3.

So how does one tell  whether 3 is a >1 or a >2?

Totally new mathematical concept.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 04, 2008, 06:20:46 PM
[highlight]So how does one tell  whether 3 is a >1 or a >2?
[/highlight]

In the math both expression are true

3 > 1 and
3 > 2

look at Boul Rules

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: droidman on October 07, 2008, 11:51:50 PM
Hi all, time for one more example of playing
winkel's system.
Grab your track3 software and follow along.
Numbers are from Spielbank Wiesbaden, 10-10-2007.



36
22
24
7
23
34
30
21
11
4
15
28
22
23
26
33
30
0
6
19
5  <--- 19v18, don't play because it's merely 50/50 chance
4    (there's no magic in simply waiting for 19 unhit numbers then betting them)
7
10
36
30
29
11
2  <--- 0 vs 1, 16v14, crossing coming up...
16 <---  15v15, bet all numbers in 0: row
7  <--- dang missed, try one more time
21 <--- missed again
12
28
17
7
13
10
18 <--- 0 vs >1, 11v10, bet all numbers in 0: row
3  <--- 10v10, 3's a winner
17
22
8
1
24
21
13
3  <--- 1 vs >1, 15v14, trigger to bet all in 1: row
20 <--- dang missed, 15v14 became 16v14, trigger hasn't crossed yet...
36
28 <--- 2 vs >2 are starting to approach each other...
17 <--- 2 vs >2, 7v7, time to bet all numbers in 2: row
13 <--- 6v8, a winner!
23
0  <--- 1 vs >1, 15v15, there's the trigger that didn't cross... bet all 1: row
29 <--- now it pays off!


Almost all useable crossings have been played out once, and it's been about 50 - 60 spins,
so it's time to backtrack.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 08, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
For what it is worth, i have tested this a lot. an awful lot.

it wins.

it did for me.

i do not play this anymore.

why?

it doesnt suit my playstyle. winning slowly over a long period of time isnt for me. that is how this wins.

i think this is a system for someone who needs a very safe way of playing.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 13, 2008, 04:37:54 PM
good news: the Touchbet is recovering

[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   472   ,   85   ,   662   ,   1219
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
24   ,   47   ,   -10   ,   -14   ,   23
25   ,   -12   ,   -60   ,   -111   ,   -183
26   ,   19   ,   27   ,   35   ,   81
27   ,   5   ,   -2   ,   73   ,   76
28   ,   69   ,   -17   ,   -9   ,   43
29   ,   -43   ,   2   ,   23   ,   -18
30   ,   57   ,   26   ,   84   ,   167
31   ,   19   ,   -15   ,   -37   ,   -33
32   ,   5   ,   -27   ,   -10   ,   -32
33   ,   -69   ,   52   ,   35   ,   18
34   ,   33   ,   46   ,   -93   ,   -14
35   ,   5   ,   28   ,   61   ,   94
36   ,   25   ,   77   ,   108   ,   210
37   ,   64   ,   -56   ,   43   ,   51
38   ,   21   ,   23   ,   -47   ,   -3
39   ,   -27   ,   97   ,   24   ,   94
40   ,   -2   ,   84   ,   -75   ,   7

[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 13, 2008, 04:48:00 PM
winkel

Is that avatar you or Bogey?

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 13, 2008, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 13, 2008, 04:37:54 PM
good news: the Touchbet is recovering

[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   472   ,   85   ,   662   ,   1219
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
24   ,   47   ,   -10   ,   -14   ,   23
25   ,   -12   ,   -60   ,   -111   ,   -183
26   ,   19   ,   27   ,   35   ,   81
27   ,   5   ,   -2   ,   73   ,   76
28   ,   69   ,   -17   ,   -9   ,   43
29   ,   -43   ,   2   ,   23   ,   -18
30   ,   57   ,   26   ,   84   ,   167
31   ,   19   ,   -15   ,   -37   ,   -33
32   ,   5   ,   -27   ,   -10   ,   -32
33   ,   -69   ,   52   ,   35   ,   18
34   ,   33   ,   46   ,   -93   ,   -14
35   ,   5   ,   28   ,   61   ,   94
36   ,   25   ,   77   ,   108   ,   210
37   ,   64   ,   -56   ,   43   ,   51
38   ,   21   ,   23   ,   -47   ,   -3
39   ,   -27   ,   97   ,   24   ,   94
40   ,   -2   ,   84   ,   -75   ,   7

[/table]

This is really good news to me winkel,seems like this system is high defensable and able to recover after a bad patch.I like it very much but it may take a while for a no brainer like me to understand.

I wish you the best of luck in this test

Cheers mate!
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 13, 2008, 05:08:39 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 13, 2008, 04:48:00 PM
winkel

Is that avatar you or Bogey?

Sam

;D neither!

It is Albert Camus, french author and philosoph
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 13, 2008, 05:11:17 PM
Quote from: see_jerek on October 13, 2008, 04:58:03 PM

This is really good news to me winkel,seems like this system is high defensable and able to recover after a bad patch.I like it very much but it may take a while for a no brainer like me to understand.

I wish you the best of luck in this test

Cheers mate!

Thks

it is like I said from the beginning: There may be times of losses, but long term it wins more often than it loses.

this test is very clinical no gamblers intelligence in it. Can you imagine, how it performs with some decisions made on it?

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 14, 2008, 02:34:20 AM
Quote from: winkel on October 13, 2008, 05:11:17 PM
Quote from: see_jerek on October 13, 2008, 04:58:03 PM

This is really good news to me winkel,seems like this system is high defensable and able to recover after a bad patch.I like it very much but it may take a while for a no brainer like me to understand.

I wish you the best of luck in this test

Cheers mate!

Thks

it is like I said from the beginning: There may be times of losses, but long term it wins more often than it loses.

this test is very clinical no gamblers intelligence in it. Can you imagine, how it performs with some decisions made on it?

br
winkel

Hello Winkel,in this test do you place a bet on all the crossings available?Or are you selective over your bets?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 14, 2008, 04:59:46 AM
And again:

I play every trigger that appears. Except there are two at the same time I have to decide.
I watch the numbers appearing live in the casinos marquee and bet not knowing the next number so this decision is like playing live.
I don´t play triggers on "2" or "3" for this testing.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 14, 2008, 06:12:24 AM
Quote from: winkel on October 14, 2008, 04:59:46 AM
And again:

I play every trigger that appears. Except there are two at the same time I have to decide.
I watch the numbers appearing live in the casinos marquee and bet not knowing the next number so this decision is like playing live.
I don´t play triggers on "2" or "3" for this testing.

br
winkel

Oh so you only trigger on 1 isn't it?Then in my learning phase of the GUT I shall trigger on 1 also by following the master of GUT  ;)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 14, 2008, 12:50:50 PM
No!

I play
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 14, 2008, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 14, 2008, 12:50:50 PM
No!

I play
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2

br
winkel

Thank you for your guidance mentor :)
There are quite a few GUT trackers here,can you kindly recommend me one to use for a beginner?
Thanks a lot
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on October 16, 2008, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: winkel on October 01, 2008, 06:11:42 PM
Hi tucktuckster,

as you remember: I posted a picture of my spreadsheet where I explained I do exactly this you describe here.

This is just to proof:
1. every posiible selection-method of this is tested
2. if you ´ve learned the basics you are able to find the higher educated ways to bet by yourself, because it teaches you to watch "what´s going on"

br
winkel

Winkel,

Just to clarify, when you are looking at the 'higher educated' ways to bet:

If we are betting 0vs.1:  If the previous 5 spins were all '0' is that a good wave to bet on a crossing of 16-16, OR if the previous 5 spins were all '1' is that a BETTER wave to bet on a crossing of 16-16.

What about if the previous 5 spins were alternating between 0 and 1 evenly?

Thanks
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 16, 2008, 11:54:31 AM
Hi madupz,

I would decide this in a way I´m sure I will be crucified for:

binomial distribution gives these steps:
spin 1-13 it show about 10-11 different numbers to hit
spin 14-25 7-8 new of the unhit numbers till spin 13
spin 26-37 5-6 new of the unhit numbers till spin 25

that means minimum (10+7+5) 22 numbers; max. (11+8+6) 25 numbers this is sigma 1 of the law of thirds.

following may happen:
a) we have 16 "0"s at spin 21 and definitely 5 "0" in a row. Would you bet on it?
b) we have 16 "0"s at spin 36 and 5 "0"s in a row. Would you bet on it?
c) we have 16 "0"s somewhere in the middle of spin 25-37 and have 5 "0"s in a row
ca) 3 "0" came in spins 23 24 25 and 2 came in spin 26 27
cb) all "0"s came in spins 27-31 (or at any other position)

ref ca): we have still 3-4 to apper in the next 10 spins (odds 3-4:10 for a hit)
ref cb): we have still 0-1 to appear in the remaining spins until 37; in this example odds (0-1:6)
which one would you bet?

additional thoughts:
rer ca):
- is the law of the third fullfilled at spin 25?
- is it overdue?
- is it behind the average?


and again: any decision you make is okay. You will lose this time and win next time, as long there is a crossing.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 16, 2008, 12:01:59 PM
just for fun the results of 43 days 3 sessions a day:

[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   644   ,   221   ,   558   ,   [highlight]1423[/highlight]
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
24   ,   47   ,   -10   ,   -14   ,   23
25   ,   -12   ,   -60   ,   -111   ,   -183
26   ,   19   ,   27   ,   35   ,   81
27   ,   5   ,   -2   ,   73   ,   76
28   ,   69   ,   -17   ,   -9   ,   43
29   ,   -43   ,   2   ,   23   ,   -18
30   ,   57   ,   26   ,   84   ,   167
31   ,   19   ,   -15   ,   -37   ,   -33
32   ,   5   ,   -27   ,   -10   ,   -32
33   ,   -69   ,   52   ,   35   ,   18
34   ,   33   ,   46   ,   -93   ,   -14
35   ,   5   ,   28   ,   61   ,   94
36   ,   25   ,   77   ,   108   ,   210
37   ,   64   ,   -56   ,   43   ,   51
38   ,   21   ,   23   ,   -47   ,   -3
39   ,   -27   ,   97   ,   24   ,   94
40   ,   -2   ,   84   ,   -75   ,   7
41   ,   47   ,   59   ,   -107   ,   -1
42   ,   54   ,   -16   ,   -19   ,   19
43   ,   71   ,   93   ,   22   ,   186
[/table]


and with a stop at >39


[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   422    ,   -82    ,   352    ,      ,   
1    ,   -32    ,   37    ,   41    ,   46    ,   46
2    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   -26    ,   3    ,   49
3    ,   59    ,   -43    ,   -22    ,   -6    ,   43
4    ,   21    ,   -31    ,   -1    ,   -11    ,   32
5    ,   -18    ,   -14    ,   -16    ,   -48    ,   -16
6    ,   47    ,   41    ,   41    ,   129    ,   113
7    ,   44    ,   -79    ,   59    ,   24    ,   137
8    ,   -10    ,   40    ,   44    ,   74    ,   211
9    ,   -45    ,   -30    ,   2    ,   -73    ,   138
10    ,   56    ,   44    ,   -49    ,   51    ,   189
11    ,   -3    ,   -9    ,   55    ,   43    ,   232
12    ,   17    ,   37    ,   25    ,   79    ,   311
13    ,   6    ,   -23    ,   43    ,   26    ,   337
14    ,   4    ,   -66    ,   44    ,   -18    ,   319
15    ,   45    ,   5    ,   3    ,   53    ,   372
16    ,   54    ,   41    ,   2    ,   97    ,   469
17    ,   41    ,   30    ,   26    ,   97    ,   566
18    ,   59    ,   -30    ,   43    ,   72    ,   638
19    ,   -6    ,   -64    ,   -69    ,   -139    ,   499
20    ,   -34    ,   -43    ,   -4    ,   -81    ,   418
21    ,   -55    ,   -45    ,   42    ,   -58    ,   360
22    ,   15    ,   64    ,   1    ,   80    ,   440
23    ,   29    ,   0    ,   43    ,   72    ,   512
24    ,   44    ,   -10    ,   -14    ,   20    ,   532
25    ,   -12    ,   -60    ,   -111    ,   -183    ,   349
26    ,   19    ,   27    ,   35    ,   81    ,   430
27    ,   5    ,   -2    ,   43    ,   46    ,   476
28    ,   42    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   71    ,   547
29    ,   -43    ,   40    ,   23    ,   20    ,   567
30    ,   49    ,   47    ,   40    ,   136    ,   703
31    ,   41    ,   -15    ,   -37    ,   -11    ,   692
32    ,   5    ,   -27    ,   20    ,   -2    ,   690
33    ,   -41    ,   52    ,   35    ,   46    ,   736
34    ,   47    ,   46    ,   -93    ,   0    ,   736
35    ,   5    ,   56    ,   46    ,   107    ,   843
36    ,   25    ,   51    ,   50    ,   126    ,   969
37    ,   42    ,   -56    ,   44    ,   30    ,   999
38    ,   21    ,   23    ,   -47    ,   -3    ,   996
39    ,   -27    ,   55    ,   24    ,   52    ,   1048
40    ,   -2    ,   -75    ,   47    ,   -30    ,   1018
41    ,   47    ,   41    ,   -107    ,   -19    ,   999
42    ,   54    ,   -16    ,   -19    ,   19    ,   1018
43    ,   41    ,   49    ,   22    ,   112    ,   1130
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 16, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
winkel

Thanks for the binomial distribution explanation.  The more I study, the more confident I become. 

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 16, 2008, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 16, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
winkel

Thanks for the binomial distribution explanation.  The more I study, the more confident I become. 

Sam

Hey Sam,

seems you are getting a feel of the GUT,I still can't catch anything up to this point,but seeing how winkel does his stuff is really encouraging.I will try to work harder to catch whole of something at least.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on October 16, 2008, 02:34:46 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 16, 2008, 11:54:31 AM
Hi madupz,

I would decide this in a way I´m sure I will be crucified for:

binomial distribution gives these steps:
spin 1-13 it show about 10-11 different numbers to hit
spin 14-25 7-8 new of the unhit numbers till spin 13
spin 26-37 5-6 new of the unhit numbers till spin 25

that means minimum (10+7+5) 22 numbers; max. (11+8+6) 25 numbers this is sigma 1 of the law of thirds.

following may happen:
a) we have 16 "0"s at spin 21 and definitely 5 "0" in a row. Would you bet on it?
b) we have 16 "0"s at spin 36 and 5 "0"s in a row. Would you bet on it?
c) we have 16 "0"s somewhere in the middle of spin 25-37 and have 5 "0"s in a row
ca) 3 "0" came in spins 23 24 25 and 2 came in spin 26 27
cb) all "0"s came in spins 27-31 (or at any other position)

ref ca): we have still 3-4 to apper in the next 10 spins (odds 3-4:10 for a hit)
ref cb): we have still 0-1 to appear in the remaining spins until 37; in this example odds (0-1:6)
which one would you bet?

additional thoughts:
rer ca):
- is the law of the third fullfilled at spin 25?
- is it overdue?
- is it behind the average?


and again: any decision you make is okay. You will lose this time and win next time, as long there is a crossing.

br
winkel

So what is the simple answer?  Is it better to bet with the trend (Ex: 5 'O's in a row) bet the 'O,' or against the trend (5 '1's' in a row, bet the O hoping the pattern will break)?  I want to make better educated bets, so in all of your testing, what bets have had the slight edge?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 16, 2008, 03:26:55 PM
Hi madupz,

I´m sorry to disappoint you. there is no simple answer.

What I´m trying to say is:
watch what is going on, make your decision on what has happened.

This decision can be right or can be wrong, that´s part of the game.
A loss at this decision will be recovered by a right decision.
After a while you become confident of what you are doing.
You will accept that a loss is part of the game.
And you´ll know the recovery will come.

Would I say anything else I would claim knowing what is coming up. But that is Magic.
The winning is due to the crossings not to the decision you make to bet or not. This only can help do win perhaps once more or to lose once less as you would do betting always.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 16, 2008, 04:33:52 PM
the graph of the record some posts ago

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1224182179.png&hash=ba54e8e4b8df8fea5276310e364f66d662062371)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: JHM on October 16, 2008, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 16, 2008, 03:26:55 PM
Hi madupz,

I´m sorry to disappoint you. there is no simple answer.

What I´m trying to say is:
watch what is going on, make your decision on what has happened.

This decision can be right or can be wrong, that´s part of the game.
A loss at this decision will be recovered by a right decision.
After a while you become confident of what you are doing.
You will accept that a loss is part of the game.
And you´ll know the recovery will come.

Would I say anything else I would claim knowing what is coming up. But that is Magic.
The winning is due to the crossings not to the decision you make to bet or not. This only can help do win perhaps once more or to lose once less as you would do betting always.

br
winkel

Winkel,

For example. Last 4 spins were all numbers that had already felt once. Than the situation appears 0vs1 15-15. Are you saying, bet the 15 that already have hit once (1) because the last four spins / trend is that we have repeaters?

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 16, 2008, 05:08:10 PM
No I didn´t say that!

If a situation as described appears, YOU have to make a decision.
This can even with the best arguments and the longest experience be wrong.

that doesn´t matter, because another crossing later on will recover that possible loss.
If you are in any doubt: just don´t bet.
If you are sure, that now the 0 have to hit: bet.

The only rule of the game is: Crossing? Yes! Bet!

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: JHM on October 16, 2008, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 16, 2008, 05:08:10 PM
No I didn´t say that!

If a situation as described appears, YOU have to make a decision.
This can even with the best arguments and the longest experience be wrong.

that doesn´t matter, because another crossing later on will recover that possible loss.
If you are in any doubt: just don´t bet.
If you are sure, that now the 0 have to hit: bet.

The only rule of the game is: Crossing? Yes! Bet!

br
winkel

I see so when you have a 17-17 situation it doesn't matter which group you bet. As they have to cross?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 16, 2008, 05:21:58 PM
I am testing this in a stupid way.

I am building a spreadsheet that looks at every strand.

ie assume number that you start and first 5 numbers are 1,10,20,30,5.

the strand with number 1 = the first strand.

then if you use 10 as next one it is another strand.

then if you use 20 as start it is another.

you get the drift.

the spreadsheet then watches for any crossings. If any of the lines cross - it says do not bet on the strand. end of story. doesnt matter if they cross back, it is first crossing only (after the 19v18 0v >0).

It only records a possible crossing if strand is on spin 25+.

and so if no crossings yet on a strand and 0 is on 14 and 1 is on 13 it will say play.

It then adds up all crossings on a particular spin. so on spin 70, you may get 7 possible strands with a crossing (mostly it is less). some numbers may get 7 and some 1 and plenty none. I then bet 7u on a number with 7 and 11 on a number with 1.

so in essence i am betting ALL crossings.

The crossings i play on the spreadsheet is 0v1. 1v >1. 1v2. The spreadsheet always take 0v1 over 1v since assumption is that it plays 1 crossing only so takes the type that should be falling.

FIRST test Result = 100 spins. +279units.

It has big drawdowns at times. but then wins nice. So if you lose say 10 crossings - then obviously there are many strands waiting to cross and therefore you get a spin with many crossings at once that will cross. Then the many losses are recouped quickly.

This could be a plonker way to play - but i will test more. going to play next on rng for 10p for a laugh and see what happens. This could be a nice one for bonus play through if it works.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Natural9 on October 16, 2008, 05:24:59 PM
Winkel just for clarification I think this method will come out ahead if you play all crossings so if we play it mechanically it will win(I think your test results are showing that)

But if we use some suibjectivity it will perform better and I am guessing  the only real way to use subjectivity is  to practise practise.

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 16, 2008, 05:33:46 PM
Hi natural,

that is what I´m trying to say.
even the test of KFS did tell it:

I can´t say that a certain crossing will hit.
What it makes it win, that crossing will cross more often than not. Not a particular one, but in the mix.

or as tucktuckster said:

QuoteIt has big drawdowns at times. but then wins nice. So if you lose say 10 crossings - then obviously there are many strands waiting to cross and therefore you get a spin with many crossings at once that will cross. Then the many losses are recouped quickly.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 16, 2008, 05:40:53 PM
Quote from: JHM on October 16, 2008, 05:19:10 PM
I see so when you have a 17-17 situation it doesn't matter which group you bet. As they have to cross?

no, only bet the first one, which is bound to fall.

if 17-17  is 0vs1 : "0" has "always to fall"
check if it is falling frequently, or it was falling in a row, or it didn´t appeared several times in a row

if 17-17 is 1vs>1 : "1" can rise and fall, ">1" is due to rise only
check if "1" is falling down from a top (e.g. 20)
or it is still rising in the last spins? How many "0"s are left which could fill up the "1"s
at which spin are we? early in the game and less "0" -> "1"s are bound to fall

Just watch and think about what is most likely to happen next.
You will be right much often than you will be wrong.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 16, 2008, 05:45:39 PM
@tucktuckster

you found the ultimate way to play by yourself! well done! al my respect to you!

@all
since you look very close to whats going on, you will be able to make clear and good winning decisions, like Tucktuckster.

Just go and exercise and there will be no more secrets in the spins going on.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Natural9 on October 16, 2008, 05:50:01 PM
Well really the GUTS of Gut( intended Deliberate pun) :D is if you play all crossings it will still win tho at times with drawdowns or eventually learn to be selective it will win better

Winkel you are a gem in this board we need more people like you

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 16, 2008, 06:21:25 PM
just played 60 odd spins on rng.

+219units.

i didnt bet the next spin which was a 60 unit bet and all were 1's and all live ones had hit 1's in last 4 spins.

it would have won. i suspect that many time it wouldnt and this is an awesome result.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Natural9 on October 16, 2008, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: tucktuckster on October 16, 2008, 06:21:25 PM
just played 60 odd spins on rng.

+219units.

i didnt bet the next spin which was a 60 unit bet and all were 1's and all live ones had hit 1's in last 4 spins.

it would have won. I suspect that many time it wouldnt and this is an awesome result.

60 unit bet thought it was flat betting
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 17, 2008, 02:11:31 AM
Quote from: Natural9 on October 16, 2008, 05:50:01 PM
Well really the GUTS of Gut( intended Deliberate pun) :D is if you play all crossings it will still win tho at times with drawdowns or eventually learn to be selective it will win better

Winkel you are a gem in this board we need more people like you

Regards Rodney

that is what I feel about the GUT as well but up till now I couldn't catch any balls of it up till now.I hope sam is learning fast,he seems to be picking it up
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 17, 2008, 04:47:01 AM
Hi seejereck,

please do read the main topic from the beginning and you will understand.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 17, 2008, 04:50:08 AM
Quote from: Natural9 on October 16, 2008, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: tucktuckster on October 16, 2008, 06:21:25 PM
just played 60 odd spins on rng.

+219units.

i didnt bet the next spin which was a 60 unit bet and all were 1's and all live ones had hit 1's in last 4 spins.

it would have won. I suspect that many time it wouldnt and this is an awesome result.

60 unit bet thought it was flat betting

As I understood:

he is booking paralell 5 starting points (we do 1 so far)
if all 5 show a crossing he bets all number of all 5 startingpoints with one unit.
if number 10 is in all 5 he is betting it with 5 units.
So a single table-lay can add up to 60units.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 17, 2008, 05:32:56 AM
Quote from: winkel on October 17, 2008, 04:47:01 AM
Hi seejereck,

please do read the main topic from the beginning and you will understand.

br
winkel

I will! ;)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 17, 2008, 12:10:43 PM
winkel - yes you understood. the 60 units i mentioned was 5 lines in all and some numbers had just 1u on then and some 5u since they were signalled on 5 lines.

Thankyou for all your patience over the past few months to share your wisdom to get here. I still have some modifications to make to my method of play since it is slightly crude, but by and large this looks like i am getting some where.

The next number was one from 5 lines, so if i had bet i would have won 120u being 180 less the 60.

However - the key to GUT is testing and to be patient and to understand how things happen. Caution is key until you start to understand things. Then as you start to understand, explore and explore some more. I am not ready or willing to blindly bet every spin, since preserving my bank is of key importance. maybe as i test more i will bet every spin and every crossing, but i doubt it, since betting a possible crossing on 1 vs >1 when the last 4 were all 1's and the 0's have not crossed is not my preferred crossing.......

I do feel that i have found a way of playing this that i like. It has taken an awful lot of testing and investigation.

The basic game with the gut tracker works. It is imperative to play that and to learn the ups and the downs with that. If you do not experience the down swings with the gut tracker and if you do not witness the recovery you cannot move to other effective implementations of play. Likewise - you need to explore some of the incorrect implementations to understand what works and what doesnt work to get to an end game you are happy with.

The proof is in the results. i will play again tonight and this weekend and will post results. I am highly confident my way of playing will produce good results so will wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 17, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
tuck

Are you saying that you start a Tracker and then on spin 5 you start another tracker?  Just an example.  Maybe you said 10.  winkel says he can jump back every number with his software.

Surely you are using this on RNG as you could never get all those bets down in the allotted time.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: JHM on October 17, 2008, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 17, 2008, 04:50:08 AM
Quote from: Natural9 on October 16, 2008, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: tucktuckster on October 16, 2008, 06:21:25 PM
just played 60 odd spins on rng.

+219units.

i didnt bet the next spin which was a 60 unit bet and all were 1's and all live ones had hit 1's in last 4 spins.

it would have won. I suspect that many time it wouldnt and this is an awesome result.

60 unit bet thought it was flat betting

Don't you make it real hard on yourself to bet all crossings like this? Isn't it more easy to bet 4x more as usual on a 15 nr bet? Than you also bet 60 units and the situation will come lots of sessions.
As I understood:

he is booking paralell 5 starting points (we do 1 so far)
if all 5 show a crossing he bets all number of all 5 startingpoints with one unit.
if number 10 is in all 5 he is betting it with 5 units.
So a single table-lay can add up to 60units.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 17, 2008, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 17, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
tuck

Are you saying that you start a Tracker and then on spin 5 you start another tracker?  Just an example.  Maybe you said 10.  winkel says he can jump back every number with his software.

Surely you are using this on RNG as you could never get all those bets down in the allotted time.

Sam

Sam, a software tracker will be really helpful.From my understanding bj007 is cracking his brains to come up with one isn't it?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 17, 2008, 04:46:56 PM
i use a spreadsheet. on the spreadsheet i have 30 live start numbers. so assuming i have watched 50 numbers, then strand 1 has 50 numbers with number 1 as a start point and strand 30 has number 20 as a start point and is just 20 numbers long.


i do not advise just playing all numbers and putting more chips on - such as 4x on all. if a number has 1 crossing play 1 chip. if another has 6 crossings, play 6 chips. if you put the highest amount on all numbers you are not playing the crossings. test and see.

i play single player rng since then time is no object. you press spin when u are happy.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Natural9 on October 17, 2008, 05:02:09 PM
Quote from: tucktuckster on October 17, 2008, 04:46:56 PM
i use a spreadsheet. on the spreadsheet I have 30 live start numbers. so assuming I have watched 50 numbers, then strand 1 has 50 numbers with number 1 as a start point and strand 30 has number 20 as a start point and is just 20 numbers long.


i do not advise just playing all numbers and putting more chips on - such as 4x on all. if a number has 1 crossing play 1 chip. if another has 6 crossings, play 6 chips. if you put the highest amount on all numbers you are not playing the crossings. test and see.

i play single player rng since then time is no object. you press spin when u are happy.

Can  you show us a worked example Tuck

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Lohnro on October 17, 2008, 06:00:47 PM
This is a graph of my testing of GUT. This is SESSION TESTING. I have tested over 2500 SESSIONS consisting of no more than 60 spins and limiting losses to -60! Playing only 0vs1 and 1vs>1.

This is showing over 2 UPG (units per game)!

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Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Natural9 on October 17, 2008, 06:10:58 PM
Quote from: Lohnro on October 17, 2008, 06:00:47 PM
This is a graph of my testing of GUT. This is SESSION TESTING. I have tested over 2500 SESSIONS consisting of no more than 60 spins and limiting losses to -60! Playing only 0vs1 and 1vs>1.

This is showing over 2 UPG (units per game)!

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wow very impressive nonoe has beenable make it fail yet

Sure it fluctuates but still is steady on the up dunno why some others go on the crap about the 2.7% disadvantage

Seems to me all those testing it haven't had any real severe downturns they can't actually get over no bank roll killer sessions
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Lohnro on October 17, 2008, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Natural9 on October 17, 2008, 06:10:58 PMSeems to me all those testing it haven't had any real severe downturns they can't actually get over no bank roll killer sessions

That is partly true. Note from session about 1400 to session about 2100 in the graph. That is approx 700 sessions and approx 42,000 spins until I reach a new bank high. Playing for real money, not too many people could ride that out! Not too mention the time it would take.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 17, 2008, 06:21:59 PM
is very hard to post an example. my spreadsheet is a work in progress and i am still modifying it and it has many sheets. i cannot really put the numbers and say the decisions since there is too much data.

my session tonight was 100 spins. the rng was throwing up some oddities. at one point there were 14 zeros only after 25 spins. i think it wanted some money back. i ended at +293. there were some drawdowns, but the crossings had to come. at one point i was more up (around 320) but it fell back to around 200 before going back to 293 and then after 5 spins and no bet i thought okay - time for a rest.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Advantage.Player on October 17, 2008, 07:18:59 PM
Thanks for the testing Lohnro.

I was testing GUT and at the same time trying to work out a stop loss area which was not that good to do as I was finding it buy when I lost all my money! Any way I normally test GUT for 50 spins but one session I kept going and then it tanked. Any who, I got from 0 to 3500+ (1K spins) then I started to extend session times which caused the loss.

Lesson learned. No more than 60 spins per session and as you said stop on -60. I'll try my testing now with 50 spins sessions and -50 stop loss.

Lastly how did you test it? Programmed a computer or did you actually play 2.5K sessions?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Lohnro on October 17, 2008, 07:34:19 PM
Quote from: Advantage.Player on October 17, 2008, 07:18:59 PMLastly how did you test it? Programmed a computer or did you actually play 2.5K sessions?

I have a mate who is a excel expert! I can paste the numbers or use the excel random numbers so 1 session takes about 30 seconds to test! There are a few bugs from time to time, so when they are ironed out I will post the spreadsheet in the downloads section!
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Advantage.Player on October 17, 2008, 07:43:58 PM
Awesome!

If its 2 UPG profit that we make, you can live quite comfortably if you play 1 session every day....with $100 units! Or play more crossings.

Could the spread sheet play more crossings too?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 17, 2008, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: Lohnro on October 17, 2008, 06:00:47 PM
This is a graph of my testing of GUT. This is SESSION TESTING. I have tested over 2500 SESSIONS consisting of no more than 60 spins and limiting losses to -60! Playing only 0vs1 and 1vs>1.

This is showing over 2 UPG (units per game)!

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Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Lohnro on October 17, 2008, 09:40:38 PM
Quote from: Advantage.Player on October 17, 2008, 07:43:58 PMCould the spread sheet play more crossings too?

I have spoken to him about this. I will try for:-
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2

Cheers
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on October 18, 2008, 08:16:55 AM
@winkel:

I see that some use a max loss...

F ex above "Limit losses to -60"...
Meaning BR = -50, next bet is 12 numbers = we can't make the bet??

You didn't mention it when we talked about the rules - is that not important?


Also: If a bet is lost and there is NO other crossing to bet: Do we re-bet?
(Up to a 36u loss)

Please reply soon.

TIA
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 18, 2008, 12:18:51 PM
Hi KFS

use my rules of the clinical test:

17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit

we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again

hope that´s what you wanted to know

br
winkel



Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on October 18, 2008, 12:21:37 PM
Thanks!

:D
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 18, 2008, 12:24:30 PM
@lohnro

nice test.

is it an automatic test (partially coded) or do you watch and make decisions?

I tested a stop-rule
+40 and -40 it worked very bad
+40 and try to recover till spin 50 is nearly to the clinical rule ->
play every crossing til spin 50 without any other stop-rules

to what this enormous downswing is due I cannot discuss:
is it possible that it is because you play til spin 60?

Can try to explore that?

br
winkel

btw:
it has recovered, hasn´t it?


Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: JHM on October 18, 2008, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 18, 2008, 12:18:51 PM
Hi KFS

use my rules of the clinical test:

17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit

we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again

hope that´s what you wanted to know

br
winkel





Winkel,

Do you advice any progression?

9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) Win
Total -9-9-9-8+35=0

9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 9) LOSS
9-9 (bet 18) Win
Total win -9-9-9-16+70=29



Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 18, 2008, 03:17:20 PM
from the beginning I said: FLAT BET
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 18, 2008, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 18, 2008, 03:17:20 PM
from the beginning I said: FLAT BET

And that is the reason why I am impress with the results so far :)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Lohnro on October 18, 2008, 05:13:46 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 18, 2008, 12:24:30 PM
@lohnro

nice test.

is it an automatic test (partially coded) or do you watch and make decisions?

I tested a stop-rule
+40 and -40 it worked very bad
+40 and try to recover till spin 50 is nearly to the clinical rule ->
play every crossing til spin 50 without any other stop-rules

to what this enormous downswing is due I cannot discuss:
is it possible that it is because you play til spin 60?

Can try to explore that?

br
winkel

btw:
it has recovered, hasn´t it?




Hey winkel

It is an automatic test. All I need to do is load the numbers and record the result. No decision is made!

The massive drawdown in the middle I believe is nothing more than statistical variance, it more or less has to happen!
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 19, 2008, 11:29:55 AM
todays session was perfect.

just 38 spins in all and most crossings went first or second time. reached +195 and thought that was close to enough to my target of 200u to stop and so did.

why push things. it would have got to 200+ but spin 39 had no crossing so i can go wake my boy up and we can have a nice sunday afternoon.

so 3 session now on RNG. I think the key to this test could be if the rng still wins if the stakes are raised. I guess that will prove whether rng = fixed or whether rng = same as real wheel. thats another debate i know, but personally i do not see rng as slot machine that pays % but rather is same as real wheel but plays slightly differently.

I suspect that there is little point in me looking for tweaks in the way that i am now playing. I just need to sort out my spreadsheet. I hope this continues.

Thankyou Professor Winkel for your genius.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Herb on October 19, 2008, 09:46:08 PM
Why are you still testing this one?

KFS already tested it over a million trials.  He showed that it loses as expected at close to -2.7%
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 20, 2008, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: Herb on October 19, 2008, 09:46:08 PM
Why are you still testing this one?

KFS already tested it over a million trials.  He showed that it loses as expected at close to -2.7%

He did it just to please you, that you can leave this topic with a smile on your face.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 20, 2008, 11:43:23 AM
winkel,

is there a point where u decided not to bet on a strand.

ie - if after 37 spins there are no crossings etc.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 20, 2008, 01:48:32 PM
If there is a situation where it would take too long to get a crossing and that crossing doesn´t look pretty.

e.g.

we have 13 20 5
it would take 7 wins of 1s to get 13 13
after 7 1´s it is also 13 13 12

a double crossing would show up. I don´t wait for that to be in a problem.

I hope this example suits your question

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Herb on October 20, 2008, 02:43:59 PM
At some point you need to listen to what others have to say on this forum.  Even if you don't like what they have to say.

When I told you this system didn't stand a chance of working you should have actually read why I said that it was destined to fail.
Long ago, other people had traveled down this path before you.  Rather than insulting them, you should try and build on their knowledge.

  Trying the same methods over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: kompressor on October 24, 2008, 09:12:40 PM
hi winkel

2117 / 50 days =  42.34 units per day

42.34 / 3 sessions = 14.11 units per session

i'm playing only in a real casino....do you recommend playing 3 sessions per day ?

with 5$ chips 14 units average dont worth the trouble

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 25, 2008, 05:36:26 AM
Hi kompressor,

the winner knows when to stop. Either on a win or a loss.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on October 25, 2008, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: winkel on October 25, 2008, 05:36:26 AM
Hi kompressor,

the winner knows when to stop. Either on a win or a loss.

br
winkel

Winkel,

I was reading through the testing pages and I want to do my own testing similar to what you did with RNG.  You mentioned a few pages back that a good stop loss is +39 or -39 or if your -39 to keep going hoping to recover your losses. 

Based on your experience, which way do you think is more beneficial to limit big losses? 

When we are down
-39 does the system usually recover or do we risk falling even more?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 25, 2008, 12:28:46 PM
instead of an answer I give you my results

Stop at -40 or +40
[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   162    ,   60    ,   683    ,      ,   905
1    ,   -49    ,   -40    ,   41    ,   -48    ,   -48
2    ,   -40    ,   46    ,   -26    ,   -20    ,   -68
3    ,   59    ,   -41    ,   -44    ,   -26    ,   -94
4    ,   21    ,   -31    ,   -1    ,   -11    ,   -105
5    ,   -40    ,   -14    ,   -40    ,   -94    ,   -199
6    ,   47    ,   41    ,   41    ,   129    ,   -70
7    ,   44    ,   -52    ,   59    ,   51    ,   -19
8    ,   -50    ,   40    ,   44    ,   34    ,   15
9    ,   27    ,   -40    ,   -44    ,   -57    ,   -42
10    ,   56    ,   44    ,   -45    ,   55    ,   13
11    ,   -48    ,   -9    ,   55    ,   -2    ,   11
12    ,   -44    ,   37    ,   25    ,   18    ,   29
13    ,   6    ,   -23    ,   43    ,   26    ,   55
14    ,   -44    ,   -40    ,   44    ,   -40    ,   15
15    ,   45    ,   -50    ,   3    ,   -2    ,   13
16    ,   54    ,   41    ,   2    ,   97    ,   110
17    ,   41    ,   30    ,   26    ,   97    ,   207
18    ,   -40    ,   -30    ,   43    ,   -27    ,   180
19    ,   -6    ,   -45    ,   -43    ,   -94    ,   86
20    ,   -34    ,   -43    ,   -4    ,   -81    ,   5
21    ,   -40    ,   -44    ,   42    ,   -42    ,   -37
22    ,   -42    ,   64    ,   1    ,   23    ,   -14
23    ,   -44    ,   0    ,   43    ,   -1    ,   -15
24    ,   44    ,   -41    ,   -47    ,   -44    ,   -59
25    ,   -44    ,   -46    ,   -40    ,   -130    ,   -189
26    ,   -41    ,   -42    ,   35    ,   -48    ,   -237
27    ,   5    ,   -2    ,   43    ,   46    ,   -191
28    ,   42    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   71    ,   -120
29    ,   -50    ,   40    ,   23    ,   13    ,   -107
30    ,   49    ,   47    ,   40    ,   136    ,   29
31    ,   41    ,   -48    ,   -37    ,   -44    ,   -15
32    ,   5    ,   -44    ,   20    ,   -19    ,   -34
33    ,   -41    ,   52    ,   35    ,   46    ,   12
34    ,   47    ,   46    ,   -50    ,   43    ,   55
35    ,   5    ,   56    ,   46    ,   107    ,   162
36    ,   25    ,   51    ,   50    ,   126    ,   288
37    ,   42    ,   -42    ,   44    ,   44    ,   332
38    ,   -50    ,   23    ,   -47    ,   -74    ,   258
39    ,   -27    ,   55    ,   24    ,   52    ,   310
40    ,   -51    ,   -49    ,   47    ,   -53    ,   257
41    ,   47    ,   41    ,   -50    ,   38    ,   295
42    ,   54    ,   -16    ,   -19    ,   19    ,   314
43    ,   41    ,   49    ,   22    ,   112    ,   426
44    ,   -8    ,   53    ,   47    ,   92    ,   518
45    ,   58    ,   51    ,   46    ,   155    ,   673
46    ,   42    ,   -10    ,   49    ,   81    ,   754
47    ,   -46    ,   -44    ,   32    ,   -58    ,   696
48    ,   8    ,   50    ,   -43    ,   15    ,   711
49    ,   45    ,   49    ,   53    ,   147    ,   858
50    ,   41    ,   -43    ,   49    ,   47    ,   905
51    ,   40    ,   -46    ,   1    ,   -5    ,   900
52    ,   -21    ,   -6    ,   -33    ,   -60    ,   840
[/table]


stop at +40 or spin 50
[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touch   ,   Live   ,   day result   ,   bankroll tot
all   ,   782    ,   222    ,   594    ,      ,   1598
1    ,   -32    ,   37    ,   41    ,   46    ,   46
2    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   -26    ,   3    ,   49
3    ,   59    ,   -43    ,   -22    ,   -6    ,   43
4    ,   21    ,   -31    ,   -1    ,   -11    ,   32
5    ,   -18    ,   -14    ,   -16    ,   -48    ,   -16
6    ,   47    ,   41    ,   41    ,   129    ,   113
7    ,   44    ,   -79    ,   59    ,   24    ,   137
8    ,   -10    ,   40    ,   44    ,   74    ,   211
9    ,   -45    ,   -30    ,   2    ,   -73    ,   138
10    ,   56    ,   44    ,   -49    ,   51    ,   189
11    ,   -3    ,   -9    ,   55    ,   43    ,   232
12    ,   17    ,   37    ,   25    ,   79    ,   311
13    ,   6    ,   -23    ,   43    ,   26    ,   337
14    ,   4    ,   -66    ,   44    ,   -18    ,   319
15    ,   45    ,   5    ,   3    ,   53    ,   372
16    ,   54    ,   41    ,   2    ,   97    ,   469
17    ,   41    ,   30    ,   26    ,   97    ,   566
18    ,   59    ,   -30    ,   43    ,   72    ,   638
19    ,   -6    ,   -64    ,   -69    ,   -139    ,   499
20    ,   -34    ,   -43    ,   -4    ,   -81    ,   418
21    ,   -55    ,   -45    ,   42    ,   -58    ,   360
22    ,   15    ,   64    ,   1    ,   80    ,   440
23    ,   29    ,   0    ,   43    ,   72    ,   512
24    ,   44    ,   -10    ,   -14    ,   20    ,   532
25    ,   -12    ,   -60    ,   -111    ,   -183    ,   349
26    ,   19    ,   27    ,   35    ,   81    ,   430
27    ,   5    ,   -2    ,   43    ,   46    ,   476
28    ,   42    ,   -17    ,   46    ,   71    ,   547
29    ,   -43    ,   40    ,   23    ,   20    ,   567
30    ,   49    ,   47    ,   40    ,   136    ,   703
31    ,   41    ,   -15    ,   -37    ,   -11    ,   692
32    ,   5    ,   -27    ,   20    ,   -2    ,   690
33    ,   -41    ,   52    ,   35    ,   46    ,   736
34    ,   47    ,   46    ,   -93    ,   0    ,   736
35    ,   5    ,   56    ,   46    ,   107    ,   843
36    ,   25    ,   51    ,   50    ,   126    ,   969
37    ,   42    ,   -56    ,   44    ,   30    ,   999
38    ,   21    ,   23    ,   -47    ,   -3    ,   996
39    ,   -27    ,   55    ,   24    ,   52    ,   1048
40    ,   -2    ,   -75    ,   47    ,   -30    ,   1018
41    ,   47    ,   41    ,   -107    ,   -19    ,   999
42    ,   54    ,   -16    ,   -19    ,   19    ,   1018
43    ,   41    ,   49    ,   22    ,   112    ,   1130
44    ,   -8    ,   53    ,   47    ,   92    ,   1222
45    ,   58    ,   51    ,   46    ,   155    ,   1377
46    ,   42    ,   -10    ,   49    ,   81    ,   1458
47    ,   -43    ,   -63    ,   32    ,   -74    ,   1384
48    ,   8    ,   50    ,   -56    ,   2    ,   1386
49    ,   45    ,   49    ,   53    ,   147    ,   1533
50    ,   41    ,   -25    ,   49    ,   65    ,   1598
51    ,   40    ,   -79    ,   1    ,   -38    ,   1560
52    ,   -21    ,   -6    ,   -33    ,   -60    ,   1500
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 25, 2008, 03:07:37 PM
Thats is no arguement on this.Problem is as a basic player do we have the experience to play at your level and achieve the same results as you.I have faith in the system 100% cross my heart but we need the foundation a firm one before playing for real money
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 25, 2008, 04:28:58 PM
The only thing you can do is testing with your own spins or any spins you can get on the internet or live-casinos or from anywhere even from RNG.

you will get experience and learn how to watch what´s going on.

simple rules:
trigger = bet
if in doubt = don´t bet
if in a loss = jump

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: See_Jerek on October 25, 2008, 04:42:48 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 25, 2008, 04:28:58 PM
The only thing you can do is testing with your own spins or any spins you can get on the internet or live-casinos or from anywhere even from RNG.

you will get experience and learn how to watch what´s going on.

simple rules:
trigger = bet
if in doubt = don´t bet
if in a loss = jump

br
winkel

Yes fully agreed and 50 spins only
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on October 25, 2008, 08:29:12 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 25, 2008, 04:28:58 PM
The only thing you can do is testing with your own spins or any spins you can get on the internet or live-casinos or from anywhere even from RNG.

you will get experience and learn how to watch what´s going on.

simple rules:
trigger = bet
if in doubt = don´t bet
if in a loss = jump

br
winkel

Winkel

Thanks for the response!  One more follow up question, when we are in the negative, we continue to play hoping to recover our losses to spin #50. 

So say we reach spin #50 and we are down -40, or even -80, at this point do you recommend juming back 18 and starting a new session OR bc we had such a large loss, do you think it might be better to retrack a whole new set of 37 numbers and begin from new?

What do you think?

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 25, 2008, 08:52:17 PM
QuoteSo say we reach spin #50 and we are down -40, or even -80, at this point do you recommend juming back 18 and starting a new session OR bc we had such a large loss, do you think it might be better to retrack a whole new set of 37 numbers and begin from new?

pls do exercises with the tracker4.exe because only experience will give you the possibility to make the right decision.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on October 25, 2008, 09:21:05 PM
Winkel

A few pages ago you mentioned and proved in one of your RNG tests that after 40+ in profits its best to jump back.

But recently, after looking at ALL of your tests in 50 days your results show that when you stop and jump back at 40+ your total profits are 1,598 while your profits for not jumping back at +40 and stopping at spin #50 are 2,117!

So what do you recommend based on your results?

Should we jump back at 40+ OR at 50 spins?

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 25, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
The 2117 are not "JumpBack-results" It is always the first 50 spins of the day.
(the last two days it shrinked to 1979)

I can´t recommend anything. every spin-row acts different. Your decision is needed,

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on October 25, 2008, 09:34:37 PM
Quote from: winkel on October 25, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
The 2117 are not "JumpBack-results" It is always the first 50 spins of the day.
(the last two days it shrinked to 1979)

I can´t recommend anything. every spin-row acts different. Your decision is needed,

br
winkel


Yes that's what I said.

+40/recover = 1,598

-Stop at spin 50 = 2,117 (NO jump back!)

So stopping at spin 50 seems to be better long term than jumping back after +40...agreed?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: kompressor on October 27, 2008, 03:47:51 PM
hey winkel can you update your ''stop at 50 spins'' table  (the one with 2117 after 52 days)

thanks
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 27, 2008, 03:50:22 PM
[table=,]Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   844   ,   374   ,   917   ,   2135
1   ,   -32   ,   37   ,   55   ,   60
2   ,   -17   ,   77   ,   -26   ,   34
3   ,   59   ,   -43   ,   -22   ,   -6
4   ,   21   ,   -31   ,   -1   ,   -11
5   ,   5   ,   -14   ,   -16   ,   -25
6   ,   47   ,   84   ,   15   ,   146
7   ,   -6   ,   -79   ,   71   ,   -14
8   ,   -10   ,   -13   ,   -2   ,   -25
9   ,   -45   ,   -30   ,   2   ,   -73
10   ,   26   ,   81   ,   -49   ,   58
11   ,   -3   ,   -9   ,   153   ,   141
12   ,   17   ,   37   ,   25   ,   79
13   ,   6   ,   -33   ,   56   ,   29
14   ,   4   ,   -107   ,   110   ,   7
15   ,   113   ,   5   ,   3   ,   121
16   ,   22   ,   -59   ,   2   ,   -35
17   ,   41   ,   30   ,   26   ,   97
18   ,   59   ,   -30   ,   103   ,   132
19   ,   -6   ,   -69   ,   -64   ,   -139
20   ,   -34   ,   -43   ,   -4   ,   -81
21   ,   -55   ,   -45   ,   42   ,   -58
22   ,   15   ,   64   ,   1   ,   80
23   ,   29   ,   0   ,   92   ,   121
24   ,   47   ,   -10   ,   -14   ,   23
25   ,   -12   ,   -60   ,   -111   ,   -183
26   ,   19   ,   27   ,   35   ,   81
27   ,   5   ,   -2   ,   73   ,   76
28   ,   69   ,   -17   ,   -9   ,   43
29   ,   -43   ,   2   ,   23   ,   -18
30   ,   57   ,   26   ,   84   ,   167
31   ,   19   ,   -15   ,   -37   ,   -33
32   ,   5   ,   -27   ,   -10   ,   -32
33   ,   -69   ,   52   ,   35   ,   18
34   ,   33   ,   46   ,   -93   ,   -14
35   ,   5   ,   28   ,   61   ,   94
36   ,   25   ,   77   ,   108   ,   210
37   ,   64   ,   -56   ,   43   ,   51
38   ,   21   ,   23   ,   -47   ,   -3
39   ,   -27   ,   97   ,   24   ,   94
40   ,   -2   ,   84   ,   -75   ,   7
41   ,   47   ,   59   ,   -107   ,   -1
42   ,   54   ,   -16   ,   -19   ,   19
43   ,   71   ,   93   ,   22   ,   186
44   ,   -8   ,   101   ,   92   ,   185
45   ,   22   ,   45   ,   13   ,   80
46   ,   69   ,   -10   ,   94   ,   153
47   ,   -43   ,   -63   ,   32   ,   -74
48   ,   8   ,   40   ,   -56   ,   -8
49   ,   97   ,   88   ,   63   ,   248
50   ,   26   ,   -25   ,   66   ,   67
51   ,   43   ,   -79   ,   1   ,   -35
52   ,   -21   ,   -6   ,   -33   ,   -60
53   ,   -45   ,   -16   ,   32   ,   -29
54   ,   52   ,   78   ,   55   ,   185
[/table]
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Novobetor on October 28, 2008, 02:42:15 AM
Hi Winkel,

When u have 3 triggers at the same time, do you bet them all?

eg, When you have trigger of these 0vs1, 1vs2, 0vs>1. Do you bet them all at once or you give priority to 0vs1 ??

Thanks
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 28, 2008, 04:03:46 AM
Code Select
38 26 nr 12 1 G 24 -4 14 11 12 9 3
39 12 nr 11 1 G 25 21 14 10 13 10 3
40 2 nr 10 2 V -10 11 14 10 13 9 4
41 17 nr 10 0 V -10 1 13 11 13 9 4
42 14 rr 13 1 V -13 -12 13 10 14 10 4
43 33 nr 10 1 G 26 14 13 9 15 11 4
44 11 0 1 / 0 14 13 8 16 12 4
45 5 rr 13 0 G 23 37 12 9 16 12 4
46 24 rr 12 0 G 24 61 11 10 16 12 4
47 29 rr 11 2 V -11 50 [highlight]11 10 16 11 5[/highlight]
48 3 rr 11 0 G 25 75 10 11 16 11 5
49 32 nr 11 0 V -11 64 9 12 16 11 5
50 6 nr 12 0 V -12 52 8 13 16 11 5


I actually got one yesterday
at spin 47 we hav 0vs1 and 0vs2

look at "1" 11 10 9 8 9 10 10 ?? What do expect?
look at "2" 9 10 11 12 12 12 11 ??
look at "0" 13 13 13 13 12 11 11 ??

bets:
spin 45 from 44: 0vs2 won
spin 46 from 45: 0vs2 won
spin 47 from 46: 0vs1 lost
spin 48 from 46: 0vs1 and 0vs2 bet both with Zero because is [highlight]the same group "to fall"[/highlight]

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 28, 2008, 04:06:16 AM
Code Select
26 23 0 1 / 0 0 19 10 8 8 0
27 0 0 1 / 0 0 19 9 9 9 0
28 28 nr 9 1 G 27 27 19 8 10 10 0
29 5 0 0 / 0 27 18 9 10 10 0
30 9 0 0 / 0 27 17 10 10 10 0
31 28 nr 10 2 V -10 17 17 10 10 9 1
32 10 nr 10 1 G 26 43 17 9 11 10 1
33 33 0 2 / 0 43 17 9 11 9 2
34 11 nr 9 2 V -9 34 17 9 11 8 3
35 6 nr 9 1 G 27 61 17 8 12 9 3
36 20 0 0 / 0 61 16 9 12 9 3
37 21 nr 9 1 G 27 88 16 8 13 10 3
38 17 0 0 / 0 88 15 9 13 10 3
39 31 0 0 / 0 88 14 10 13 10 3
40 19 rr 14 0 G 22 110 13 11 13 10 3
41 13 rr 13 0 G 23 133 12 12 13 10 3
42 24 rr 12 0 G 24 157 11 13 13 10 3
43 17 nr 13 1 G 23 180 11 12 14 11 3
44 2 rr 11 1 V -11 169 11 11 15 12 3
45 16 rr 11 0 G 25 194 10 12 15 12 3
46 1 nr 12 0 V -12 182 9 13 15 12 3
47 22 nr 13 1 G 23 205 9 12 16 13 3
48 10 0 2 / 0 205 9 12 16 12 4
49 11 nr 12 3 V -12 193 9 12 16 12 4
50 7 nr 12 0 V -12 181 8 13 16 12 4


another one with double-Triggers

as see in both I bet the clinical test way
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Novobetor on October 28, 2008, 06:37:38 PM
Winkel,

In this testing thread u mentioned u use the following crossings:
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2

Please note that the above bolded are the same. Is that a 1vs>2 ?? Do u bet on 1vs>2 ??
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on October 28, 2008, 07:05:50 PM
Just a double! there is no other meant!

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winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Novobetor on October 30, 2008, 07:33:27 AM
Winkel,

My test using your following rules:

1.Bet every trigger
Bet these:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2

2.Stop at spin 50

3.  17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
     12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
     9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

After 30 sessions I'm only up by 23 units. Is this normal and it will catch up?
Your test result was growing on a steady rate and mine is up and down in a range. My highest accumulated win was only 282 units.
My test is from testing TCS's 5000 spins. I've tested 1500 spins.
Do i need to test more?

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: kompressor on November 04, 2008, 09:43:37 PM
with 100$ chips its a lot of money.... :P
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Boo_Ray on November 05, 2008, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: kompressor on November 04, 2008, 09:43:37 PM
with 100$ chips its a lot of money.... :P

that would need a bank of 20k and it is easyly losable with a bad run.. so bank should be around 100k,.. but do you realy want to risk 100k$ for maybe getting 76$ a session.. 
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 08, 2008, 05:42:23 PM
My 100 days are nearly done:
due to two bankholidays with closed B&M-Casinos in Germany I have to add 2 days for LiveWheel and Touchbet
[table=,]
Day   ,   RNG   ,   Touchbet   ,   Live   ,   tot
all   ,   708    ,   466    ,   734    ,   1908
1   ,   -32    ,   37    ,   55    ,   60
2   ,   -17    ,   77    ,   -26    ,   34
3   ,   59    ,   -43    ,   -22    ,   -6
4   ,   21    ,   -31    ,   -1    ,   -11
5   ,   5    ,   -14    ,   -16    ,   -25
6   ,   47    ,   84    ,   15    ,   146
7   ,   -6    ,   -79    ,   71    ,   -14
8   ,   -10    ,   -13    ,   -2    ,   -25
9   ,   -45    ,   -30    ,   2    ,   -73
10   ,   26    ,   81    ,   -49    ,   58
11   ,   -3    ,   -9    ,   153    ,   141
12   ,   17    ,   37    ,   25    ,   79
13   ,   6    ,   -33    ,   56    ,   29
14   ,   4    ,   -107    ,   110    ,   7
15   ,   113    ,   5    ,   3    ,   121
16   ,   22    ,   -59    ,   2    ,   -35
17   ,   41    ,   30    ,   26    ,   97
18   ,   59    ,   -30    ,   103    ,   132
19   ,   -6    ,   -69    ,   -64    ,   -139
20   ,   -34    ,   -43    ,   -4    ,   -81
21   ,   -55    ,   -45    ,   42    ,   -58
22   ,   15    ,   64    ,   1    ,   80
23   ,   29    ,   0    ,   92    ,   121
24   ,   47    ,   -10    ,   -14    ,   23
25   ,   -12    ,   -60    ,   -111    ,   -183
26   ,   19    ,   27    ,   35    ,   81
27   ,   5    ,   -2    ,   73    ,   76
28   ,   69    ,   -17    ,   -9    ,   43
29   ,   -43    ,   2    ,   23    ,   -18
30   ,   57    ,   26    ,   84    ,   167
31   ,   19    ,   -15    ,   -37    ,   -33
32   ,   5    ,   -27    ,   -10    ,   -32
33   ,   -69    ,   52    ,   35    ,   18
34   ,   33    ,   46    ,   -93    ,   -14
35   ,   5    ,   28    ,   61    ,   94
36   ,   25    ,   77    ,   108    ,   210
37   ,   64    ,   -56    ,   43    ,   51
38   ,   21    ,   23    ,   -47    ,   -3
39   ,   -27    ,   97    ,   24    ,   94
40   ,   -2    ,   84    ,   -75    ,   7
41   ,   47    ,   59    ,   -107    ,   -1
42   ,   54    ,   -16    ,   -19    ,   19
43   ,   71    ,   93    ,   22    ,   186
44   ,   -8    ,   101    ,   92    ,   185
45   ,   22    ,   45    ,   13    ,   80
46   ,   69    ,   -10    ,   94    ,   153
47   ,   -43    ,   -63    ,   32    ,   -74
48   ,   8    ,   40    ,   -56    ,   -8
49   ,   97    ,   88    ,   63    ,   248
50   ,   26    ,   -25    ,   66    ,   67
51   ,   43    ,   -79    ,   1    ,   -35
52   ,   -21    ,   -6    ,   -33    ,   -60
53   ,   -45    ,   -16    ,   32    ,   -29
54   ,   52    ,   78    ,   55    ,   185
55   ,   -9    ,   63    ,   26    ,   80
56   ,   -38    ,   -15    ,   -76    ,   -129
57   ,   73    ,   -43    ,   -10    ,   20
58   ,   26    ,   5    ,   109    ,   140
59   ,   -69    ,   71    ,   -77    ,   -75
60   ,   40    ,   6    ,   104    ,   150
61   ,   20    ,   -61    ,   70    ,   29
62   ,   -86    ,   -87    ,   5    ,   -168
63   ,   59    ,   76    ,   23    ,   158
64   ,   -30    ,   29    ,   8    ,   7
65   ,   43    ,   -3    ,   -115    ,   -75
66   ,   -61    ,   -73    ,   -21    ,   -155
67   ,   -49    ,   66    ,   -27    ,   -10
68   ,   43    ,   -131    ,   9    ,   -79
69   ,   -135    ,   -69    ,   -88    ,   -292
70   ,   -45    ,   -65    ,   -18    ,   -128
71   ,   -20    ,   4    ,   -39    ,   -55
72   ,   36    ,   -25    ,   -92    ,   -81
73   ,   14    ,   -8    ,   -11    ,   -5
74   ,   20    ,   0    ,   0    ,   20
75   ,   -13    ,   -53    ,   53    ,   -13
76   ,   92    ,   58    ,   21    ,   171
77   ,   63    ,   -3    ,   -11    ,   49
78   ,   30    ,   2       -71    ,   -39
79   ,   53    ,   -75    ,   0    ,   -22
80   ,   -99    ,   76    ,   43    ,   20
81   ,   -113    ,   0    ,   0    ,   -113
82   ,   45    ,   123    ,   22    ,   190
83   ,   -38    ,   101    ,   44    ,   107
84   ,   -28    ,   70    ,   -95    ,   -53
85   ,   -7    ,   29    ,   37    ,   59
86   ,   -61    ,   -87    ,   -69    ,   -217
87   ,   -23    ,   -2    ,   -14    ,   -39
88   ,   48    ,   19    ,   -58    ,   9
89   ,   109    ,   -21    ,   1    ,   89
90   ,   -34    ,   -4    ,   51    ,   13
91   ,   92    ,   44    ,   63    ,   199
92   ,   37    ,   53    ,   74    ,   164
93   ,   33    ,   -1    ,   -63    ,   -31
94   ,   -42    ,   93    ,   -4    ,   47
95   ,   -116    ,   -89    ,   20    ,   -185
96   ,   4    ,   19    ,   -7    ,   16

[/table]

statistics

3.237    bets
11,06    average numbers bet
1.908    total units won
3,0669   +SigmaDeviation
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 08, 2008, 05:44:51 PM
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Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: VLSroulette on December 08, 2008, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: winkel on December 08, 2008, 05:44:51 PM
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Thanks for your participation dear Winkel,

I see -300 units as a very OK amount in the minus, and it was only touchbet, RNG and LIVE do look very nice for your played sessions.

Keep us posted!

Your friend,
Victor
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 09, 2008, 12:46:03 AM
The G.U.T. lives!
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Lohnro on December 09, 2008, 03:58:44 AM
Never died!
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Handsome1 on December 11, 2008, 06:49:19 AM
Where is the tutorial for this program?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Clint on December 11, 2008, 07:09:32 AM
Here you go Handsome1. It's in the Full Systems section

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-holy-gral-or-g-u-t-the-great-universal-theory/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-holy-gral-or-g-u-t-the-great-universal-theory/)

You really only need the first three pages to learn.

Regards

Clint
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Handsome1 on December 11, 2008, 01:57:43 PM
Thanks a lot of tutorial...It takes some time to learn system. It is not for every one, but may be it is better ;)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 12, 2008, 08:08:13 AM
Hello winkel,

(and all)

I congratulate you to your positive result for those 96 dates.
Very nice result.
Indeed!

It is, however, NOT a test of the "CLINICAL" variation of your method.

You know; you posted in reply #77 (in THIS thread) on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM:
Quote
   
But [highlight]this is a clinical test with iron rules[/highlight], just to show it wins more than it loses [highlight]even with no human interactions[/highlight]...

As well as in reply #194 on: October 13, 2008, 08:11:17 PM:
Quote

[highlight]this test is very clinical no gamblers intelligence in it.[/highlight]


Just so everyone is clear over this:
The posted results are NOT from using the [highlight]"CLINICAL"[/highlight] way with iron rules and no gambler's intelligence.

At least you did NOT use the rules you gave ME and SAID were the clinical way.
Those rules were (I quote from my test-thread in case you don't remember):
Quote

Columns to use:
=0 vs =1, >1 or =2
=1 vs >1 or =2

A crossing is:
a) The "=0" or "=1" column is equal to one or more of their respective "vs"-columns
b) The "=0" or "=1" column contains 1 number more than one or more of their respective "vs"-columns

Consider any crossing where the bet is < 18 numbers.

Select the crossing to bet as the one that gives the highest added value
(f ex 13-12-12 bet 13 as 13+12=25 whereas 12+12=24)
if conditions are met by more than two columns.

Select the leftmost column to bet if there are more than one to choose from.

Stop at +40u or better.
Do not pass spin #50.
(Thread replies #25 and #26)

Later he added an instruction I interpreted as:
"Do not bet more than 36u on a losing column even if the trigger is the same."


Your test INCLUDES a LOT of "GAMBLER'S INTELLIGENCE" ( = [highlight]your gut-feelings[/highlight]) that you use in close to every session (and maybe includes unintentional errors as well).
It is really a pity that you didn't test the TRUE "clinical" way, like you said you were, as those bets on your gut-feelings cannot be done by any one but yourself. The test is not replicable, because of this. (Replicability = the basis for all testings)


So your test is about testing YOUR gut-feelings and really nothing else...


Nevertheless; your GUT-feelings seem very reliable. Well, most of the time anyway ;)


So, I took the liberty to run the same 96 dates you used (and Table #3 - the live table you used), in the same program as I used to test your method the last time, as now it is (or at least should have been) possible to compare our results.

The 96 dates were run using the above quoted rules exactly - your claimed "clinical way".

And this was the result:

TOTAL Number of sessions: 96
TOTAL Number of bets: 857
TOTAL Bet units: 9869
TOTAL Number of hits: 280
TOTAL Won units: 10080

TOTAL NET in units: 211

Average units pr bet = 11.51575
Total number of bets = 857
Total number of hits = 280

Standard Deviation = +0.979

Again I congratulate you to your positive result...
(and I really did post it ;))


Of course 857 bets are nothing in a real test...
Both you and I know that, winkel.
But if you're interested in how your results differ from the "clinical" way, here is a table for each session:

[table=,]
Sess #   ,Winkel's res   ,Clinic res   ,W-C diff   ,W-C Tot   ,W-res = C-res
[highlight]All[/highlight],[highlight]+734[/highlight],[highlight]+211[/highlight],[highlight]+523[/highlight],[highlight]+523[/highlight],
,,,,,
1,+55,+57,-2,-2,
2,-26,-26,0,-2,=
3,-22,-48,+26,+24,
4,-1,-60,+59,+83,
5,-16,-23,+7,+90,
6,+15,+44,-29,+61,
7,+71,+12,+59,+120,
8,-2,-24,+22,+142,
9,+2,-46,+48,+190,
10,-49,-11,-38,+152,
11,+153,+49,+104,+256,
12,+25,+8,+17,+273,
13,+56,+43,+13,+286
14,+110,+41,+69,+355,
15,+3,-48,+51,+406,
16,+2,+2,0,+406,=
17,+26,-44,+70,+476,
18,+103,+40,+63,+539,
19,-64,-10,-54,+485,
20,-4,-21,+17,+502,
21,+42,+59,-17,+485,
22,+1,-13,+14,+499,
23,+92,+50,+42,+541,
24,-14,-14,0,+541,=
25,-111,-132,+21,+562,
26,+35,0,+35,+597,
27,+73,+45,+28,+625,
28,-9,-10,+1,+626,
29,+23,+45,-22,+604,
30,+84,+62,+22,+626,
31,-37,-37,0,+626,=
32,-10,-10,0,+626,=
33,+35,+8,+27,+653,
34,-93,-113,+20,+673,
35,+61,+41,+20,+693,
36,+108,+61,+47,+740,
37,+43,+44,-1,+739,
38,-47,-82,+35,+774,
39,+24,-9,+33,+807,
40,-75,-59,-16,+791,
41,-107,+44,-151,+640,
42,-19,+58,-77,+563,
43,+22,-13,+35,+598,
44,+92,+47,+45,+643,
45,+13,-60,+73,+716,
46,+94,+21,+73,+789,
47,+32,-30,+62,+851,
48,-56,+62,-118,+733,
49,+63,+1,+62,+795,
50,+66,+49,+17,+812,
51,+1,-46,+47,+859,
52,-33,+49,-82,+777,
53,+32,+42,-10,+767,
54,+55,+41,+14,+781,
55,+26,+40,-14,+767,
56,-76,-76,0,+767,=
57,-10,+13,-23,+744,
58,+109,+47,+62,+806,
59,-77,+40,-117,+689,
60,+104,+24,+80,+769,
61,+70,+55,+15,+784,
62,+5,-4,+9,+793,
63,+23,+4,+19,+812,
64,+8,+19,-11,+801,
65,-115,-82,-33,+768,
66,-21,-21,0,+768,=
67,-27,-8,-19,+749,
68,+9,+27,-18,+731,
69,-88,-4,-84,+647,
70,-18,-18,0,+647,=
71,-39,-77,+38,+685,
72,-92,-85,-7,+678,
73,-11,+45,-56,+622,
74,0,+48,-48,+574,
75,+53,+56,-3,+571,
76,+21,-39,+60,+631,
77,-11,-60,+49,+680,
78,-71,-10,-61,+619,
79,0,+2,-2,+617,
80,+43,+7,+36,+653,
81,0,-2,+2,+655,
82,+22,-83,+105,+760,
83,+44,+55,-11,+749,
84,-95,-83,-12,+737,
85,+37,+41,-4,+733,
86,-69,-37,-32,+701,
87,-14,-11,-3,+698,
88,-58,+14,-72,+626,
89,+1,+58,-57,+569,
90,+51,+55,-4,+565,
91,+63,-71,+134,+699,
92,+74,+60,+14,+713,
93,-63,+24,-87,+626,
94,-4,+17,-21,+605,
95,+20,+50,-30,+575,
96,-7,+45,-52,+523,
[/table]


Regards,
KFS

PS
I noticed I've been nominated for a "best of 2008" (thanks Kingpin) :D
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 12, 2008, 11:36:56 AM
Quote
It is, however, NOT a test of the "CLINICAL" variation of your method.

The difference is quite easy to define:

In your "test-rules", which are not the "clinical rules" you have a "stop-rule" which I don´t have in my tests.
and what I didn´t see, was that with your test-rules you started betting on 2vs>2 very early which I don´t do. I start with that after spin 25. There might be some differences due to handbooking as well. Crossings not seen or anything like that.

to compare:
Live40-40 means stop at +40 or -40
Live 40 means stop at +40 or spin 50

Code Select
Live40-40 Live40

41 41
15 15
-29 -7
-30 -8
-70 -24
-29 17
30 76
74 120
30 122
-15 73
40 128
65 153
108 196
152 240
155 243
157 245
183 271
226 314
183 245
179 241
221 283
222 284
265 327
218 313
178 202
213 237
256 280
302 326
325 349
365 389
328 352
348 372
383 407
333 314
379 360
429 410
473 454
426 407
450 431
497 478
447 371
428 352
450 374
497 421
543 467
592 516
624 548
581 492
634 545
683 594
684 595
651 562
693 604
734 645
760 671
710 595
700 585
747 632
706 555
665 659
720 714
725 719
748 742
763 757
716 642
665 621
624 594
633 603
592 515
574 497
533 458
491 433
448 422
448 422
496 470
517 491
473 480
429 409
429 409
472 452
472 452
494 474
452 518
405 423
363 460
314 391
273 377
232 319
233 320
284 371
347 434
408 495
367 432
427 492
447 512
404 505
447 548
492 593
473 574
473 574
473 574
473 574


my results refer to 3 Tables:
Live Table Wiesbaden Nr. 3
Touchbet1 Wiesbaden Nr. 8
and RNG CasinoClub Table 1 French Roul.

br
winkel

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 12, 2008, 11:39:17 AM
KFS

Thanks for that post.  Be me for a moment!  I sit down at this machine, having pumped $201 up to $1152 using $1 bets.  The family knows.  Friends know.  Every time I sit down I have to ask myself if it was all luck.  If It was, I watch my money disappear, tell the wife she'll have to pay for the floor herself, tell the kids and grandkids it was all a fluke.  It's tough to even sit down.  I find myself wanting to rake leaves to keep from playing.  OK, you can quit being me now.

Every encouraging word keeps my spirit buoyed.  Thanks to you and to Max for what he said.  I wish more people would dedicate a month of their life to learning this.  

I'm working on "Pencil-and-paper Track4" and it's beastly easy to use.  

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 12, 2008, 11:46:49 AM
sorry I posted the bankroll

Here the daily results

[table=,]Live40-40   ,   Live40   ,
473    ,   574    ,
41    ,   41    ,
-26    ,   -26    ,
-44    ,   -22    ,
-1    ,   -1    ,
-40    ,   -16    ,
41    ,   41    ,
59    ,   59    ,
44    ,   44    ,
-44    ,   2    ,
-45    ,   -49    ,
55    ,   55    ,
25    ,   25    ,
43    ,   43    ,
44    ,   44    ,
3    ,   3    ,
2    ,   2    ,
26    ,   26    ,
43    ,   43    ,
-43    ,   -69    ,
-4    ,   -4    ,
42    ,   42    ,
1    ,   1    ,
43    ,   43    ,
-47    ,   -14    ,
-40    ,   -111    ,
35    ,   35    ,
43    ,   43    ,
46    ,   46    ,
23    ,   23    ,
40    ,   40    ,
-37    ,   -37    ,
20    ,   20    ,
35    ,   35    ,
-50    ,   -93    ,
46    ,   46    ,
50    ,   50    ,
44    ,   44    ,
-47    ,   -47    ,
24    ,   24    ,
47    ,   47    ,
-50    ,   -107    ,
-19    ,   -19    ,
22    ,   22    ,
47    ,   47    ,
46    ,   46    ,
49    ,   49    ,
32    ,   32    ,
-43    ,   -56    ,
53    ,   53    ,
49    ,   49    ,
1    ,   1    ,
-33    ,   -33    ,
42    ,   42    ,
41    ,   41    ,
26    ,   26    ,
-50    ,   -76    ,
-10    ,   -10    ,
47    ,   47    ,
-41    ,   -77    ,
-41    ,   104    ,
55    ,   55    ,
5    ,   5    ,
23    ,   23    ,
15    ,   15    ,
-47    ,   -115    ,
-51    ,   -21    ,
-41    ,   -27    ,
9    ,   9    ,
-41    ,   -88    ,
-18    ,   -18    ,
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Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 12, 2008, 04:53:46 PM
I have been studying this and playing this for approx.3 weeks on and off. As ive stated elsewhere I never seem to go anywhere with it.My bankroll goes up and down and evens out.I cannot reach the same results that Sam has.
Fair play to all those achievers with the  G.U.T. but I am not one of them  :(
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Worm on December 12, 2008, 05:05:26 PM
Hi spider kiss, do you follow Winkels rules? +40 or max 50 spins?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on December 12, 2008, 05:07:57 PM
Quote from: the_spiders_kiss on December 12, 2008, 04:53:46 PM
I have been studying this and playing this for approx.3 weeks on and off. As ive stated elsewhere I never seem to go anywhere with it.My bankroll goes up and down and evens out.I cannot reach the same results that Sam has.
Fair play to all those achievers with the  G.U.T. but I am not one of them  :(

Same for me, I tested in extensively on RNG and it was never consistent, I always ended the day right where I started!  I can't understand TCS's success?  I hope after his testing he can elaborate on specifically what he is doing as far as jumping back, knowing when to quit, how many crossings to bet on at the same time (even though it's only suppossed to be one) etc.....
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 12, 2008, 05:10:57 PM
Guys

The 50-spin rule is very important.  I seldom go beyond 50 and if I'm not liking the way the Track4 looks, I'll jump.  Today I jumped at spin 39 because it looked so bad.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 12, 2008, 05:12:26 PM
mad

I've made about 20 tutorial movies detailing every move I make.&nbsp; They're under testing.&nbsp; I'll make a couple more if you'd like.

Sam

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/twocat%27s-last-test-of-the-g-u-t-movies-will-be-way-too-long (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/twocat%27s-last-test-of-the-g-u-t-movies-will-be-way-too-long)!/
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 12, 2008, 06:12:44 PM
Hi Worm,
I always jump back  max 50 spins.I also jump before if Tracker is looking bad.I cant believe how many times Ive played and the 0's just dont seem to hardly move.
TSK
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 12, 2008, 06:17:18 PM
kiss

..and sometimes the zeros will move like crazy.  And the one's line will be twice as long as the others.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 12, 2008, 06:44:39 PM
Hi spiderkiss and TCS,

both scenarios do the same:
either they don´t give you any crossing, or the give you a nice crossing-game

@spiderkiss-scenario: nice crossings on 1vs>1 or 1vs2 or 2vs3
@TCS-scenario: nice crossings on 0vs>1 or 0vs2 or 0vs3

br
winkel


sorry had spider twice in the name
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 12, 2008, 06:48:34 PM
Hi Winkel,
Yep I get what you are saying but I cant seem to make in roads like TCS.
Im playing G.U.T. right now and will post my results for 50 spins when I finish.(The thing is, is that i "GET" why it should work too .I just cant seem to get it too lol)
TSK.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 12, 2008, 07:03:50 PM
HI,
Had to track back @ spin 39 cos 1's had run away with it..up to that point I was dead even....again...1 betting opportunity on 0v1 crossing and 3 on 2 v>2 crossing .Will keep trying.
Regards to all
TSK
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 12, 2008, 07:12:11 PM
@spider and at all

if you have problems with any kind of trot of spins, just post them here and I will give you my thoughts about it

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Worm on December 12, 2008, 07:16:43 PM
Dear Winkel would love your input on these numbers:
Dublinbet Table 1
13 dec 2008: down 100 units--recover up to +17 units

23
30
16
29
25
23
9
21
19
11
29
28
15
11
33
7
10
6
28
17
34
30
27
12
26
10
1
23
15
30
32
16
12
36
27
19
15
7
20
35
24
9
24
22
19

Hope this are the right numbers..ah well hope i did something right.. ;)

Take care
/worm
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 12, 2008, 07:20:19 PM
Winkel,
Thank you for that.I will take you up.
TSK
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 12, 2008, 07:53:08 PM
Hi worm,

I have 45 spins!

after spin 13 we have 11 numbers thats the binomial deviation
after spin 25 we have 20 numbers which is about 2 number too fast.

in spin 27 we have the first crossing 16-15 0vs1 this is much too early.
spin 26 was a "1" so the run of the "0"s seems to stop.
In a real game I would wait. but if you decided to bet you lose 2 spins.
I would have jumped at this point.

But if you had decided to play the next crossing 15-15 0vs1, you would have lost 2 times.
Also the crossing is running away by spinnin a "1" and a "2" like in the first try.

This is a sign, that we are on the wrong foot, when we have to bet.
After the second loss: definitely jump back!

As you see exactly the same happens with the next crossing 14-14. Remember I said: no third try on the same crossing when the first two tries lost!

Unfortunately the tracker jumps back only 20 spins.
Mostly when we have running "0"s it is a good deal to kill the first 13 numbers and start with spin 14 (here 11 33 7)
This is still fast, so wait for the result of first crossing: this wins. so go on and play this new trot.
If you decide to make another jump it is also ok.


br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Worm on December 12, 2008, 08:00:50 PM
Tank you for your input Winkel, I will inprove my game. I think the reason i didt jump back was the desire to se how the outcome would be..And I am not playing for real money either so I am still learning things here.

As a young person I like to take wisdom from the older guys, no offence :)

You have a nice weekend now

/Worm
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on December 12, 2008, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 12, 2008, 05:12:26 PM
mad

I've made about 20 tutorial movies detailing every move I make.  They're under testing.  I'll make a couple more if you'd like.

Sam

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/twocat%27s-last-test-of-the-g-u-t-movies-will-be-way-too-long (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/twocat%27s-last-test-of-the-g-u-t-movies-will-be-way-too-long)!/

TCS,

I have seen all your movies and appreciate your work!  But many times you didn't follow the rules, you bet a particular crossing like 15-15 3 or more times when it should've only been 2 times.

Other times you have bet more than one crossing at a time, when its really suppossed to be only 1 crossing at a time.

Also, what are your exact rules for jumping back?

Things like that makes what you are doing inconsistent, the same thing you accused Winkel of in the very begining.  So at the end of your testing I would like to know exactly what you are doing in black and white, not sometimes this and sometimes that.

Also, what happened to your GUT testing of RNG, did you stop?

Thanks for your work!

Keep up the good results!
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 12:49:21 AM
mad

I do not follow the rules exactly and precisely.  Sometimes I do bet a crossing three times.  Sometimes (always when under 17 numbers) I bet two crossings.  Sometimes I bet three.  I also bet on double crossings and backward (reverse) crossings. 

As to jumping back, I begin to think about that at spin 45.  If I see crossing in the near future, I stay.  If I don't and if things are going badly, I jump.  Today in my first session I jumped at spin 39.

If, in the beginning, I criticized winkel--I apologize.  Sometimes when I don't understand something, I get a bit cranky.  I even said that early on when Wildcard was taking me to "school".

I tried in each of the videos--when I explained a bet at all--to tell exactly why I did what I did.  Sometimes I would say--I know I shouldn't do this, but I am going to anyway.  Sometimes I'm right; sometimes I'm wrong.

While this goes against all logic, I will go back to something winkel said.  "Maybe it's just not your day."  I think that was it.  Sometimes when it's my day, I can do pretty much anything I want and win.  When it's not my day, I couldn't buy a win.

I cannot set out hard and fast rules.  I guess I'm playing by the seat of my pants.  I do try to follow winkel's rules as he set them down, but sometimes I gotta be me.  I think KFS proved beyond a doubt that a computer can't win this game.  I am trying to prove a human can!

I am always up for making a video and letting the world watch over my shoulder.  I will explain each and every bet if anyone wants. 

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 13, 2008, 07:25:08 AM
Hi Sam,
I would be interested to watch a blow by blow account of your version of G.U.T. But would you be able to post it on youtube(In bits if required)so I can watch it.I cant see your motionbox videos ,so ,I indeed may be missing something from my play thats holding me back.
Good luck TSK.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 13, 2008, 09:21:40 AM
Hello All,

@winkel,
In this thread you say you are testing a version (the clinical version) of G.U.T that...

[highlight]A ... has ironclad rules,
B ... needs no human interactions and
C ... will always give a positive result in the long run[/highlight]

(For a compilation of your claims IN THIS THREAD, regarding this method - the clinical version of G.U.T. - please see
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/questions-and-comments-for-selected-systems/q-and-a-about-the-g-u-t-and-twocat%27s-last-test/30/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/questions-and-comments-for-selected-systems/q-and-a-about-the-g-u-t-and-twocat%27s-last-test/30/)
My reply is #34, Nov 13, 2008, 10:50:11 PM)

This one, for example, is a nice one:
In reply #127 on: September 22, 2008, 05:36:55 PM
Quote

you can simply [highlight]play like an idiot and make wrong decisions[/highlight] the otucome is always the same: You win that often, that [highlight]all your losses are recovered[/highlight]. Sometimes you win some units more.

That sounds like a method I like and would like to learn.
(There are like ten quotes of the same kind, in that compilation - maybe there are more in this thread)

I simply don't want a method where I don't know if the method or my gut-feelings (guesswork) is the reason for winning/losing.
So a method that works like you have claimed, would be excellent!

And as I have never studied stochastics I just HAD to try it.

But first I have to have a complete set of rules, of course.
So, a few months ago, I asked you for those iron-clad rules as I wanted to make a large-scale test.
You replied by giving me the above quoted rules.

After the test was done, you had no objections to the rules I used.
Not even when you saw the result - the usual negative - you had any!

Why should I suspect that you didn't give me the correct ones?


Now I simply want to make people aware of the fact that you are not testing the method using that set of rules - contrary to what you say.

And so the rules are not correct.
NOW you tell me / the board.


Now, winkel, could you PLEASE post the complete set of rules for the method you have been testing here?
The method that...

[highlight]A ... has ironclad rules,
B ... needs no human interactions and
C ... will always give a positive result in the long run[/highlight]

I would really like to learn it, you know.

And maybe I'm not alone... My guess is that there's a LOT of people on this board with the same wish.


Thanks In Advance,
KFS



@Sam,

Man, I really have nothing to say about your results but [highlight]GREAT![/highlight] and maybe I will later be "jealous" of you (well, maybe I am already).
And I really HAVE seen some of your videos (I like your kind of - sometimes - grumpy comments ;)) and have followed your results in the "way too long" thread.

I like what I see.
And I want you to win more!

Now, if you can see this matter from my point-of-view, you may understand that I feel like winkel has only been spreading disinformation regarding the method - the clinical variation.

I get the feeling that whenever winkel is asked for things regarding THIS version he never gives an ironclad rule.
More like "human interactions"...
Which tells, at least me, that there really are no "ironclad rules" - only a lot of "human interaction".

And because I really want to learn the clinical version, I get frustrated when he in one moment tells me that "these are the rules" and in the next "they are wrong".

And, as I said in the previous post, I cannot see this test as a test of a method - because the method doesn't have rules to test.


I would really be happy if I saw those ironclad rules that take the guess-work out completely.
Heck, he's even said that unintentional errors doesn't matter - there will be a positive end anyway!

Wouldn't YOU like to see those rules, Sam?


Best regards, and may you have a prosperous future, Sam.
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Handsome1 on December 13, 2008, 11:31:36 AM
I have been reading this forum and I also feeling, that there are no rules for using track4. Sometimes if you are feeling press -20 spin and if you feel lucky keep going. If somebody can really use track4 like making profit it. I really would like to hear clear rules how to use it?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on December 13, 2008, 12:59:46 PM
TCS,

What happened to your testing of the RNG GUT?  Did you stop?  What was the results?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 01:11:15 PM
kiss

I will make a tutorial video, split into nine-minute segments, and post it on Utube.  When I do that, I cannot pause the movie so you will be stuck with fast-forwarding to the pertinent parts.  Otherwise you will have to sit and watch the counter click down and the wheel spin.

The reason I use Motion Box is that they have no time limit on movies.  Why can't you see my videos?  Do others have this problem?

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: Handsome1 on December 13, 2008, 11:31:36 AM
I have been reading this forum and I also feeling, that there are no rules for using track4. Sometimes if you are feeling press -20 spin and if you feel lucky keep going. If somebody can really use track4 like making profit it. I really would like to hear clear rules how to use it?

Well, there's a fine thank you for ol' TwoCat!!  Grief, man, did you not even take time to watch the videos I posted for you.  I went into great detail on how the Track4 works.  The part "if somebody can really use track4" was especially insulting. 

I think you and I are pretty much done!

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 01:31:31 PM
madupz4

I was using that thing enrique posted--my version--went up to over $800.  Be it right or be it wrong I am going to say this:  The RNG went after me. 

I want to say here, a true RNG is a different story.  What these casinos have are NOT true RNGs.  They are computer programs which produce random numbers until you start to win and then they look at the bets you have down and place the puck where you are not. 

When I was first betting, I hit double streets time and time again.  After I topped at $800+ the double streets started to repeat.  What ever double streets I was on, the last one to hit--the trigger--would hit.  This happened so many times, it was clear what was happening.  So I went to $1 bets and started betting on the double street that had just hit.  Guess what?  They stopped repeating.  The next day I tried the enrique system and the double streets started to repeat.  Once again I stopped and started betting on the one that had just hit and the repeats quit coming.

Now, along the way, I would stop betting entirely and put in the "dummy bet" and spin 100 times to get a fresh perspective.  It did not matter.  The RNG did the same thing.

After I lost $350.00 using the enrique method, I went to the G.U.T.   The Track4 looked nothing like what I was used to seeing.  Never once!  I don't think I ever hit a crossing. 

After that I went to the Three Group method of Ronjo's that Lanky posted.  Could not buy a winner.

In conclusion, I have "tested" RNGs all I care to.  If see_jerek or anyone else can win on them, power to them.  I cannot and I won't waste more money trying.

I did not want to post this as winkel said he can win on RNG; makes no difference.  Possibly, as a test, one could load a thousand numbers from an RNG like at Random.org and it would work.  Random.org is not trying to win money and therein lies the difference.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 13, 2008, 01:38:01 PM
Hi Sam,
I have no idea why i cant see your motionbox videos.I click the link and my browser says done but the page is a complete blank.I did post a thread requesting help but after an initial help from Victor I heard no more.
Thank you for youtube-ing Sam.
TSK.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Worm on December 13, 2008, 01:42:17 PM
The Track4 are a great program but i think some people here think that the program itself will make money for them then they got it all wrong...
You need to know something about general betting and have a feeling for it. yes you need to work! welcome to the world..

Sam I like your videos explaining the program..keep up the good work :)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 02:00:06 PM
KFS

Yours is the toughest to answer.  First, thanks for all your positive comments and the way to disagree without insulting.  Unlike many (me) you actually read enough to know what is being said by the poster.

I do not wish to insult winkel, you see!  That is my problem.  

Yes, I would like to see an ironclad set of rules.  (Mr Chips has them for the 4Selecta.  I absolutely have them for my Chicco/murph.)  Frankly, I don't think they exist!  I don't think they can be written and followed to the letter, so any computer program is destined to show the G.U.T. a looser.

Why do I bet two crossings?  I learned a long time ago--in horse racing--you can bet against yourself repeatedly and win.  When I bet a 15-number crossing and a 4-number crossing I am only betting two chips more than the 17/16 crossing.  Time and time again, I've won one the 4-number and then won on the 15-number the next spin.  I don't mean a few times but many.  

Why do I bet a crossing more than twice when I shouldn't?  I look at the zeros with 14 numbers to bet.  They have not hit in six spins and I give it a third try.  Many times I win.  I know it's "Gambler's Fallacy", but the longer they go without hitting, the more likely they are to hit.

I get very grumpy when things don't go my way.  I am trying to smooth out my emotions--not too low; not too high.

As to mistakes and dumb judments, winkel is right on.  I have missed crossings for many reasons; crossings I should have bet.  I have got my mind twisted and bet the 14/15 crossing, which doesn't exist.  I've learned to look three spins ahead and know when to excuse myself for coffee (damned decaf) and whatever.

You and winkel are both quite intelligent men.  I ask a question:  Should the student never try anything except that which the teacher has taught?  Should he never try to add something new to the body of knowledge?  We probably wouldn't even have fire!!  Raw beast, anyone?

The G.U.T. has definite peaks and valleys.  I think what I'm learning is to recognize which I'm in at any given time.  What I'm doing with the G.U.T. is to apply what I've learned from winkel, VLS, Lanky, Mr Chips, Ronjo and others.  

In conclusion, I am very happy with the G.U.T. as it's worked for me.  My bankroll is $1160+ in profit.  If this thing breaks down, I will--to say the least--be devastated.  My wife is so impressed, she actually wants to pull money out of the stock market and invest it in roulette.  No pressure on Sam there...no sireee...

I've said too much but I'll say this:  I'll help anyone I can (who does not insult me) in any way I can.  

Sam

Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 13, 2008, 02:23:30 PM
@all

first of all thanks to TCS. He has done a lot of work to put into practice what I gave in theory.

@TCS,
I don´t mind the way you are betting. The thing I always wanted the people to follow was: Look what is going on. You put it into perfection. If you bet situations I wouldn´t, I don´t mind. That is a big point in this strategy: Do what you think that it suits you.

@KFs and others:
Rules: There is only one rule: Wait for a crossing.
additional:
- Excercise (using tracker4) by betting every crossing
- Look what is going on
- Then make decisions using the hints I gave. Main thing: YOU have to have a good feeling doing so!

If you look at the charts I posted, you will find me using the clinical testing rules. These are only made up to prevent people from telling I´m cheating by betting when I would win and not betting when I would lose. Nobody would believe that I made a decision and it was right.

So I proofed, that "betting every crossing" gives you the chance to win.
After excercised enough, every one open minded will see my hints are worth a lot and is able to follow them.
That is what TCS did. If you watched his videos you remember him often saying: "... What winkel said!"

This is not a strong system, it is only a strategy with a trigger. But you have to check if the trigger is worth to bet or not.

If you are a couch potatoe starting with 10$ wanting 1000000$ at the end of the day, just leave this thing alone, it is nothing for you.
Every millionaire has to work for his money hard and tough.

so:

Read the first pages of "Holy Gral or the Great Universl Theory G.U.T"
Use "Tracker4.exe" by droidman (Big job you did, thank you for that)
Watch the tutorial videos of TCS
Watch the videos of TCS´s Live Games

and if you then don´t see a point, just leave it.
but if you are open minded, you have a good chance to win and having a nice time betting this strategy.

br
winkel




Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on December 13, 2008, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 01:31:31 PM
madupz4

I was using that thing enrique posted--my version--went up to over $800.  Be it right or be it wrong I am going to say this:  The RNG went after me. 

I want to say here, a true RNG is a different story.  What these casinos have are NOT true RNGs.  They are computer programs which produce random numbers until you start to win and then they look at the bets you have down and place the puck where you are not. 

When I was first betting, I hit double streets time and time again.  After I topped at $800+ the double streets started to repeat.  What ever double streets I was on, the last one to hit--the trigger--would hit.  This happened so many times, it was clear what was happening.  So I went to $1 bets and started betting on the double street that had just hit.  Guess what?  They stopped repeating.  The next day I tried the enrique system and the double streets started to repeat.  Once again I stopped and started betting on the one that had just hit and the repeats quit coming.

Now, along the way, I would stop betting entirely and put in the "dummy bet" and spin 100 times to get a fresh perspective.  It did not matter.  The RNG did the same thing.

After I lost $350.00 using the enrique method, I went to the G.U.T.   The Track4 looked nothing like what I was used to seeing.  Never once!  I don't think I ever hit a crossing. 

After that I went to the Three Group method of Ronjo's that Lanky posted.  Could not buy a winner.

In conclusion, I have "tested" RNGs all I care to.  If see_jerek or anyone else can win on them, power to them.  I cannot and I won't waste more money trying.

I did not want to post this as winkel said he can win on RNG; makes no difference.  Possibly, as a test, one could load a thousand numbers from an RNG like at Random.org and it would work.  Random.org is not trying to win money and therein lies the difference.

Sam

TCS,

I agree with you about RNG, I've NEVER had any success with it!  Now that I see you are in the same boat, I'm ready to scrap it.  I want to give the GUT a try and test it on a live wheel like you do and see if I will have the same results!  What Live online casino do you reccommend that accepts US players and will let you play in practice mode before depositing money?

Thanks
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 02:52:29 PM
mad

I recommend Bella Vegas, All Jackpots or Riverbelle.  However, to see the wheel, you must deposit some money.  I think $20 will do it.  I use Visa Debit for my deposits.  No problem.  Bella and All have a .50 per number minimum; Riverbelle has a $10.00 per number minimum.  Riverbelle is on of the oldest and most respected casinos on the web.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 02:54:27 PM
kiss

As I type the original video, the Track4 tutorial, is being uploaded to Utube.  I split it using a video splitter!  It is a good video and I don't think I could make it better the second time.

I will now split the second Track4 tutorial and post it.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 03:23:13 PM
All......

You may find the Track4 Tutorials here&nbsp;nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/the-track4-tutorials-on-utube/

These productions are not as clear as they are on Motion Box.  Sorry about that.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 13, 2008, 03:48:21 PM
Hi Sam,

The reason I only comment your play in positive words - and I forgot to write this above - is simply because you are using a completely different method than the "clinic G.U.T."

You are consistently making decisions - decisions that should not, according to winkel, be necessary with the "clinic G.U.T."

I am certainly impressed by your results and I wish you continous profit.
Really.
(I just noticed your new ATH :))


What I'm looking for is the method winkel claims to have been tested here.


OF COURSE the student shall always try to do things different from what the teacher says.
As long as he has listened to what was taught in the first place.

But the student must also be comfortable with the teacher and believe in what is taught.
But when what is taught again and again contradict - what is one to believe?
The first or the second way?

winkel actually did it again, in these last posts...


My regards to you and the wife.
(But don't let her use the stock market money - not quite yet, anyway ;))

Have a nice week-end.
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 13, 2008, 03:55:40 PM
winkel,

What am I to think..?

First you look at my testing-rules and you say they are OK.
This one in particular:

* Consider any crossing where the bet is < 18 numbers.

I asked you for the "clinical rules" and you said this was one of them.
So I test according to that rule.
First the large-scale test and you didn't remark then.

Now you write, in Reply #283 on: Yesterday at 01:36:56 PM
Quote

you started betting on 2vs>2 very early [highlight]which I don´t do. I start with that after spin 25[highlight].

So, that was wrong, then. OK.

But now, only a few posts later, in Reply #313 on: Today at 04:23:30 PM you write
Quote

So I proofed, that "[highlight]betting every crossing[/highlight]" gives you the chance to win.


NO YOU DID NOT!
You are NOT "betting every crossing" - you wrote so just a few posts above!
...

In that same "yesterday" post, you write:
Quote

The difference is quite easy to define:
In your "test-rules", [highlight]which are NOT the "clinical rules"[/highlight] you have...

(my caps)

You are obviously quite aware of the "clinical rules" and in what way they differ from my test-rules.
"The difference is easy to define", you write.

So I ask you again (for which time?) if you could please "easily define" ALL the differences in clear text.
Please.

It sure is possible as you write, in that very same post:
Quote

me using the clinical testing rules. These [highlight]are only made up to[/highlight] prevent

"These are only made up to..." - so they really do exist.

Please please please post!


You also wrote some things in the "today" post about using Tracker4 etc.

Everyone doesn't run PCs, first of all.
I don't.
So I can't use it.

* I HAVE studied the COMPLETE thread, and this thread too.
* I HAVE written my own tracker in HTML, and posted it on this forum.
(It may give a lot of over-flow information but it surely doesn't show less than neceessary.
But I cannot show when to bet, unfortunately...)
* I HAVE shown a way to record spins in a B&M casino, and how to use such recordings the G.U.T. way.

I don't think you should write to me as if I'm ignorant of your method.
After all; you are aware of my knowledge...

But the advanced method TCS is using is not of any interest to me.
As I wrote to you, above, I simply don't want a method where I don't know if the method or my guesswork is the reason for winning/losing.

Simply because any guesswork can go any way any day.

So I have asked you numerous of times for the set of "clinical rules" you have used for this test. That's all.
You still claim you use that set.

But you refuse to show those rules.

But then you mustn't call it "proving something".

[highlight]Without ANY possibility to verify your claims, there simply is no proof of anything.[/highlight]


Have a nice week-end winkel,
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 14, 2008, 05:46:33 AM
Hi KFS,

I tried to check the differences between you and my results.

e.g. Day 3 + 4 on Live-wheel, Cannot find your results.
As I checked my results I found errors by not seeing a crossing. also I added to bet very early 2vs>2

so my results are now:
day 3
Code Select
1 36 36 1 0 0 0
2 1 35 2 0 0 0
3 28 34 3 0 0 0
4 34 33 4 0 0 0
5 26 1000 32 5 0 0 0
6 27 31 6 0 0 0
7 21 30 7 0 0 0
8 6 29 8 0 0 0
9 33 28 9 0 0 0
10 24 27 10 0 0 0
11 12 26 11 0 0 0
12 28 0 2 / 26 10 1 1 0
13 29 0 1 / 25 11 1 1 0
14 1 0 1 / 0 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 15 0 0 / 0 0 24 11 2 2 0
16 30 0 0 / 0 0 23 12 2 2 0
17 0 0 0 / 0 0 22 13 2 2 0
18 23 0 0 / 0 0 21 14 2 2 0
19 11 0 0 / 0 0 20 15 2 2 0
20 12 0 1 / 0 0 20 14 3 3 0
21 2 0 0 / 0 0 19 15 3 3 0
22 28 0 2 / 0 0 19 15 3 2 1
23 30 fr 2 1 V -2 -2 19 14 4 3 1
24 10 0 0 / 0 -2 18 15 4 3 1
25 33 0 1 / 0 -2 18 14 5 4 1
26 4 0 0 / 0 -2 17 15 5 4 1
27 3 0 0 / 0 -2 16 16 5 4 1
28 3 rr 16 1 V -16 -18 16 15 6 5 1
29 13 rr 16 0 G 20 2 15 16 6 5 1
30 0 0 1 / 0 2 15 15 7 6 1
31 11 rr 15 1 V -15 -13 15 14 8 7 1
32 16 rr 15 0 G 21 8 14 15 8 7 1
33 32 0 0 / 0 8 13 16 8 7 1
34 36 0 1 / 0 8 13 15 9 8 1
35 11 0 1 / 0 8 13 15 9 7 2
36 28 0 3 / 0 8 13 15 9 7 2
37 11 0 1 / 0 8 13 15 9 7 2
38 25 0 0 / 0 8 12 16 9 7 2
39 12 0 2 / 0 8 12 16 9 6 3
40 32 0 1 / 0 8 12 15 10 7 3
41 32 0 1 / 0 8 12 15 10 6 4
42 5 0 0 / 0 8 11 16 10 6 4
43 27 rr 11 1 V -11 -3 11 15 11 7 4
44 23 rr 11 1 V -11 -14 11 14 12 8 4
45 36 0 2 / 0 -14 11 14 12 7 5
46 7 0 0 / 0 -14 10 15 12 7 5
47 0 0 2 / 0 -14 10 15 12 6 6
48 4 fr 6 1 V -6 -20 10 14 13 7 6
49 19 nr 14 0 V -14 -34 9 15 13 7 6
50 32 fr 6 3 v -6 -40 9 15 13 7 6


day 4
Code Select
1 26 36 1 0 0 0
2 15 35 2 0 0 0
3 0 34 3 0 0 0
4 34 33 4 0 0 0
5 31 1000 32 5 0 0 0
6 30 31 6 0 0 0
7 1 30 7 0 0 0
8 26 30 6 1 1 0
9 4 29 7 1 1 0
10 13 28 8 1 1 0
11 6 27 9 1 1 0
12 33 26 10 1 1 0
13 10 25 11 1 1 0
14 34 0 1 / 0 0 25 10 2 2 0
15 34 0 1 / 0 0 25 10 2 1 1
16 24 fr 1 0 V -1 -1 24 11 2 1 1
17 21 fr 1 0 V -1 -2 23 12 2 1 1
18 21 fr 1 1 V -1 -3 23 11 3 2 1
19 8 fr 2 0 V -2 -5 22 12 3 2 1
20 0 fr 2 1 V -2 -7 22 11 4 3 1
21 16 0 0 / 0 -7 21 12 4 3 1
22 27 0 0 / 0 -7 20 13 4 3 1
23 4 0 1 / 0 -7 20 12 5 4 1
24 11 0 0 / 0 -7 19 13 5 4 1
25 28 0 0 / 0 -7 18 14 5 4 1
26 22 0 0 / 0 -7 17 15 5 4 1
27 33 0 1 / 0 -7 17 14 6 5 1
28 25 0 0 / 0 -7 16 15 6 5 1
29 7 rr 16 0 G 20 13 15 16 6 5 1
30 2 0 0 / 0 13 14 17 6 5 1
31 25 0 0 / 0 13 14 16 7 6 1
32 19 0 0 / 0 13 13 17 7 6 1
33 10 0 1 / 0 13 13 16 8 7 1
34 6 0 1 / 0 13 13 15 9 8 1
35 23 0 0 / 0 13 12 16 9 8 1
36 11 0 1 / 0 13 12 15 10 9 1
37 17 0 0 / 0 13 11 16 10 9 1
38 8 rr 11 1 V -11 2 11 15 11 10 1
39 28 rr 11 1 V -11 -9 11 14 12 11 1
40 3 rr 11 0 G 25 16 10 15 12 11 1
41 9 0 0 / 0 16 9 16 12 11 1
42 24 0 1 / 0 16 9 15 13 12 1
43 34 0 3 / 0 16 9 15 13 12 1
44 4 0 2 / 0 16 9 15 13 11 2
45 11 0 2 / 0 16 9 15 13 10 3
46 10 0 2 / 0 16 9 15 13 9 4
47 21 rr 9 2 V -9 7 9 15 13 8 5
48 30 rr 9 1 V -9 -2 9 14 14 9 5
49 25 nr 14 2 V -14 -16 9 14 14 8 6
50 3 nr 14 1 G 22 6 9 13 15 9 6


can´find your results:
[table=,]
Sess #   ,Winkel's res   ,Clinic res   ,W-C diff   ,W-C Tot   ,my revised results
,,,,,

3,-22,-48,+26,+24,-40
4,-1,-60,+59,+83,6

[/table]

pls check

br
winkel


Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 14, 2008, 11:05:22 AM
Sam,
As per usual you are a very helpful "young" man.I thank you for posting those videos in youtube format and I have studied them.
I wasnt betting on any crossing until I had bet on one from 0v1(thought this was stated somewhere but may be I got it wrong).
I also wasnt using gamblers intelligence.I was just betting as per the crossings dictation cos I thought  this was the way to do it also.
I will try again using your tips.
Again ,my heartfelt thank you Sam,
TSK
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 14, 2008, 12:30:39 PM
TSK

I am in contact with Motion Box.  No one should be unable to see my videos.  Or everyone should be able to see my videos.  A better wording.

I am glad you learned and I'm always around to help, especially since that "young man" comment!!

If you have any questions or want more tutorials, just let me know.

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: madupz4 on December 14, 2008, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 02:52:29 PM
mad

I recommend Bella Vegas, All Jackpots or Riverbelle.  However, to see the wheel, you must deposit some money.  I think $20 will do it.  I use Visa Debit for my deposits.  No problem.  Bella and All have a .50 per number minimum; Riverbelle has a $10.00 per number minimum.  Riverbelle is on of the oldest and most respected casinos on the web.

Sam

TCS,

Is Bella Vegas the one you are using in your motion box videos?

Thanks
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 14, 2008, 01:46:13 PM
Hello winkel, and all,

I hope you had a nice weekend.
I did :)

(All 20 hours :D)


winkel,
First of all: Please answer this question:

WHY do you bother checking the differences in our results?

Of course there are differences - we have used two different sets of rules.

But you know exactly what rules I have used at each and every spin in ALL my tests.
And you know exactly what rules YOU have used (or at least meant to use) at each and every spin in THIS test.

You only have to show the differences between the two sets of RULES.
That's all.

You have my set.
You have your set.
You should see the differences immediately.

(And it doesn't require result-checking...)

--------------------

OK, now your post to me... You wrote:
Quote

I tried to check the differences between you and my results.

e.g. Day 3 + 4 on Live-wheel, Cannot find your results.

Not for Day 3 anyway, as you have mixed them up.

Day 2 = Sept 05 (Starts [36 - 1 - 28...)
Day 3 = Sept 06 (Starts 14 - 25 - 30...)
Day 4 = Sept 07 (Starts 26 - 15 - 0...)

In your post, you called Day 2 for "Day 3" and don't show Day 3 at all, as Day 4 is correct.
Consequently you also used the wrong row of my table when you showed your revised results.

OK..?

Quote

also I added to bet very early 2vs>2

You don't only introduce "early betting" on that crossing.
You introduce the NEW COLUMN ">2".

Your (former?) "clinical rules" say we shall bet on crossings
"=0" vs "=1"
"=0" vs ">1"
"=0" vs "=2"
"=1" vs ">1"
"=1" vs "=2"
This has been posted several times by yourself.
Why do you suddenly introduce column ">2" and the corresponding bet-signal?

Quote

pls check

br
winkel

OK... I'll check it... for you...


Day 2 (Sept 05):

Remember: These are the spins you call "Day 3" in your post.

For (the real) Day 2 you originally had the result of -26, I had -26.
We had the same results.

Original:
Spin 27, you bet 16-16, I bet 16-16 (same)
Spin 28, you bet 16-15, I bet 16-15 (same)
Spin 30, you bet 15-15, I bet 15-15 (same)
Spin 31, you bet 15-14, I bet 15-14 (same)
Spin 42, you bet 11-10, I bet 11-10 (same)
Spin 43, you bet 11-11, I bet 11-11 (same)
Spin 48, you bet 14-13, I bet 14-13 (same)

Everything is exactly how we once agreed to bet the "clinical way".

Now, however, you corrected some mistakes and the result was -40 :(

At spin 22, you make an ADDITIONAL BET: You use the new column ">2" and bet "=2" when it's about to cross ("=2" vs ">2")
You make another ADDITIONAL BET on spin 47. Again on "=2" vs ">2"...
*** Those two are not corrections - it's a brand new rule!

On spin 49 you also make an ADDITIONAL BET.
This time you bet 6 numbers. Why six numbers?
Column "=2" has SEVEN numbers...
(That's the closest I can see)

So; with the exception of the bet on spin 49, you have INTRODUCED the new column ">2" into the "clinical rules".
And also INTRODUCED the bet-signal/crossing "=2" vs ">2".
And also INTRODUCED "early betting" on that crossing (Others as well?)

And the bet on spin 49 is a new mistake..?

[highlight]Necessary information required regarding the new column:[/highlight]
Should the columns "=0" and "=1" be bet when they cross ">2"?


That was the spins for Day 2 (Sept 05) - called "Day 3" in the above post.



Day 4 (Sept 07):

For Day 4 you originally had the result of -1, I had -60.

Original:
Spin 28, you bet 16-15, I bet 16-15 (same)
Spin 37, you bet nothing, I bet 11-10
Spin 38, you bet nothing, I bet 11-11
Spin 39, you bet nothing, I bet 11-11
Spin 40, you bet 13-13, I bet 13-13 (same)
Spin 41, you bet 14-13, I bet 14-13 (same)
Spin 42, you bet nothing, I bet 13-13
Spin 43, you bet nothing, I bet 13-13
Spin 46, you bet 10-10, I bet 10-10 (same)
Spin 47, you bet 10-9, I bet 10-9 (same)
Spin 48, you bet 10-10, I bet 10-10 (same)

There were five bets you didn't make but I did.

Now, however, you corrected some mistakes and the result was +6 :)
Let's see what mistakes...

You just said that you added early betting on "=2" vs ">2".
At spin 15 you start betting on the crossing "=2" vs ">2".
And you do so for five times.
As the rule is brand new (because of the new column ">2"), this is different from the original, of course.
(But not corrections of mistakes)

Spins 37 and 38 are now correct.

Spin 39: You bet 11 numbers (column "=0") and after the spin the column goes down one and you record a hit.
According to my output, the situation is like this - before the bet:

=0:  2  5  9 12 14 18 20 29 32 35 36  = 11
=1:  1  3  7 13 15 16 17 19 22 23 24 27 30 31  = 14
>1:  0  4  6  8 10 11 21 25 26 28 33 34  = 12
=2:  0  4  6  8 10 11 21 25 26 28 33  = 11

Number 3 hits but it IS NOT IN COLUMN "=0".
Because [highlight]it's ALREADY in column "=1"![/highlight]

Why?
Because it was hitting at spin 30...

[highlight]*** At spin 30 you have recorded a "2" that should have been a "3"! ***[/highlight]
In your ORIGINAL (Reply #16 at page 2 in this thread) spin 30 is correctly a "3".

So for the rest of the spins after spin 39 the columns are not correct!
(In reality after spin 30)

Making further checking useless...

--------------------------

To conclude:
You make corrections to get a revised result.
That's OK.

But your corrected/revised result is IN FACT from...
* SEVEN new bets based on a brand new column (">2")
* One probable error (bet 6 instead of 7) - the bet is also probably based on that new column
* One SEVERE ERROR - a recorded "2" instead of a "3"

* And TWO corrections...

(And a mixed-up date)


pls check

br
Kon-Fu-Sed

(now more than ever)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 14, 2008, 02:44:32 PM
Hi KFS,

thx for the check. Now I see where the differences may come from.

- I use my old trigger-chart in excel-sheets I only have columns of "0" "1" ">1" "2" and ">2". I have to change that.
- I don´t save all sheets. so I have to put the numbers in again. sorry for mistakes.

QuoteWHY do you bother checking the differences in our results?
Just to see where the differences may hide.

As I said before: I am sitting at the computer waiting for the numbers to appear on the marquee of Wiesbaden or Table1 of CasinoClub.
There might be some human errors by entering wrong numbers or not seeing crossings.

The rules I try to follow (at least in the last test-days)
- bet every crossing <18
- bet the crossing with higher amount of numbers if there are two crossings
- start betting after spin 13
- If a crossing is dead (by betting it to the limit) and another crossing is bet in between, bet the crossing again if still alive
e.g.
14 12 13 10
14 12 13 10
14 11 14 11 (bet 14 died) bet on 1vs2
14 11 14 10
14 11 14 09 (bet 11 died) bet on 14 again

- and of course I am betting on crossings bewtween this columns only:
"0" "1" ">1" "2" ">2"
Quote
Necessary information required regarding the new column:
Should the columns "=0" and "=1" be bet when they cross ">2"?

Yes, I do

- stop after spin 50

The rules changed a little bit due to complains in the german forum. so there might be still differences in the early result-days.

br
winkel




Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 14, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
My dear winkel,

Thank You!

Quote

- bet every crossing <18
- bet the crossing with higher amount of numbers if there are two crossings
- start betting after spin 13
- If a crossing is dead (by betting it to the limit) and another crossing is bet in between, bet the crossing again if still alive
e.g.
14 12 13 10
14 12 13 10
14 11 14 11 (bet 14 died) bet on 1vs2
14 11 14 10
14 11 14 09 (bet 11 died) bet on 14 again

- and of course I am betting on crossings bewtween this columns only:
"0" "1" ">1" "2" ">2"
Quote
Necessary information required regarding the new column:
Should the columns "=0" and "=1" be bet when they cross ">2"?
Yes, I do

- stop after spin 50

So these are the ironclad rules for the clinical way of G.U.T., then.
:) :) :)

...the very same rules that YOU have claimed:

In reply #77 (in this thread, page 6) on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM »
Quote
   
But this is [highlight]a clinical test with iron rules[/highlight], just to show [highlight]it wins more than it loses even with no human interactions[/highlight]


...and also in reply #194 (also in this thread, page 13) on: October 13, 2008, 08:11:17 PM
Quote

it is like I said from the beginning: There may be times of losses, but [highlight]long term it wins more often than it loses[/highlight].

this test is [highlight]very clinical no gamblers intelligence[/highlight] in it.



Please confirm.

TIA
KFS

(Maybe back tomorrow)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 14, 2008, 03:40:22 PM
Hi KFS,

I don´t like this "ironclad"  :D

I hope I remembered all special situations which needed an explanation.

Otherwise please ask.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 14, 2008, 04:05:17 PM
Sorry,

I meant "iron" as in reply #77 (in this thread, page 6) on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM »
Quote
   
But this is a clinical test with [highlight]iron[/highlight] rules, just to show it wins more than it loses even with no human interactions


(Your own word)



Quote

Otherwise please ask.


I did!
I asked if you could confirm that what you claim in the quotes are valid for the set of rules you just posted.

Yes or No?
Simple question - Simple answer.


/KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 14, 2008, 09:02:59 PM
Hi KFS,

I am not trying to confuse you or anyone else. but as I wrote before: I´m on drugs and not always master of my own mind. This will not change never ever again.

Despite of that I´m trying to present this idea and teach people to use it.

As far as I´m writing nonsense or behaving strange, I apologize.

so to your question for a short answer: [highlight]YES[/highlight]
But I can´t give any guaranty that I´m not wrong or I forgot something to mention.
Sorry, I hate this state as well.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 15, 2008, 09:23:13 PM
Hi Sam,
Sorry to  see you have hit a bit of a sticky patch with your BR.
I am doin a little better at this thanks to your posts and I will be interested to see if it can come back from a $600 loss.
You stickin with this are you? I,and I know others ,are rooting for you mate
Good luck
TSK
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 15, 2008, 11:08:50 PM
TKS

Thanks.  It was a blow.  Yes, my original goal was to pump $201 to $1,000 or loose it.  I'll keep on keepin' on!

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 16, 2008, 12:11:00 PM
Hello winkel,

Thank you again for the set of rules.

You offered to help if I have any questions, and now I do...


How are the bets (using the "clinical" rules) in these situations?


=0 =1 >1 =2 >2
13 14 10  8  2  --> No trigger
13 13 11  9  2  --> Trigger A (13-13 =0 vs =1)
13 12 12 10  2  --> Trigger B (13-12 =0 vs =1)
13 11 13 11  2  --> Trigger C (13-13 =0 vs >1 OR 11-11 =1 vs =2)
13 10 14 12  2  --> Trigger D (13-12 =0 vs =2)
12 11 14 12  2  --> Trigger E (12-12 =0 vs =2)
12 11 14 11  3  --> Trigger F (12-11 =0 vs =1)



=0 =1 >1 =2 >2
19 10  8  7  1  --> No trigger
19  9  9  8  1  --> Trigger G ( 9- 9 =1 vs >1)
18 10  9  8  1  --> Trigger H (10- 9 =1 vs >1)
18  9 10  9  1  --> Trigger I ( 9- 9 =1 vs =2)
17 10 10  9  1  --> Trigger J (10-10 =1 vs >1)
16 11 10  9  1  --> Trigger K (11-10 =1 vs >1)
16 10 11 10  1  --> Trigger L (10-10 =1 vs =2)


As you can see; in these cases, the left column is always the same (=0 and =1) but the right one changes.
Is the trigger new for every change of the right column?

Which triggers shall be used, according to the "clinical" rules?



=0 =1 >1 =2 >2
13 14 10  8  2  --> No trigger
13 13 11  9  2  --> Trigger M (13-13 =0 vs =1)
13 13 11  8  3  --> Trigger N (13-13 =0 vs =1)
12 14 11  8  3  --> Trigger O (12-11 =0 vs >1)
12 13 12  9  3  --> Trigger P (12-12 =0 vs >1 OR 13-12 =1 vs >1)
12 13 12  8  4  --> Trigger Q (12-12 =0 vs >1 OR 13-12 =1 vs >1)
12 13 12  8  4  --> Trigger R (12-12 =0 vs >1 OR 13-12 =1 vs >1)


In this case - which triggers to use?
All including O, P and R?
And regarding P and R: Which "version"?

These cases are real cases and nothing I have made up.


I think the rest is crystal-clear!
:D


Thanks In Advance, winkel!
Kon-Fu-Sed

(Not so much any more ;))
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 16, 2008, 02:36:46 PM
Hi KFS,

I know these situations very well, they are not that rare.

Here actually I say use "gambler´s intelligence"
But you wanna know iron rules  >:D

first Block:
I play the highest trigger (13 "0"s) for two times and it lost, A + B
than I cange to the lower trigger and win and the trigger is gone C
now a new trigger on "0"s D I bet and win
now a "new" trigger on "0" E and bet twice

In the moment I´m testing the way TCS does, betting both triggers despite the limit of 17. I´m not sure about this.


second Block:
QuoteIs the trigger new for every change of the right column?

this is the typical risk, when 0s are slow. You are getting a new trigger in every spin. I usually bet this as [highlight]"new triggers"[/highlight]

Block 3:

TCS mentioned this on his videos: [highlight]Stick on the trigger or change?[/highlight]
In the clinical way you can solve this problem:

- play the higher trigger till it dies or is bet dead
- change to possible lower trigger if it is still there and bet till it dies or is bet dead
- change to next trigger 

This means to the last Block:
bet 5 times Trigger on "0"s and then trigger on "1"

This is what I´ve forgotten to mention: In such cases I play 12 numbers also up to 3 times / otherwise only twice.
to make it to iron or lead, you can use betting 12 numbers 3times as rule

If I didn´t express myself correctly please ask again

br
winkel


Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 17, 2008, 12:14:52 AM
Hello winkel,

I am very grateful for the set of rules you posted.


As a small token of my appreciation, I have coded the rules in JavaScript for you.
A "clinical" G.U.T. tracker, so that you, when you test in the future, doesn't have to have errors or doubts.
(Not anyone on-board, for that matter, as I plan to post it...)
:)

I think this tracker can be really nice - it's sooo simple to handle.
Both "live" and "auto" - and ... ;)

Anyway; I don't want to post it immediately as you wrote that there may be things you have forgotten...
(Why don't you write the rules down?)

And there may be things I have misunderstood.

SO!
I have compiled the output from the program for the September days (4 to 30) of your test - 27 sessions in all.
[highlight]It is ATTACHED to this post.[/highlight]

I hope you can really scrutinize it - and not find errors ;)


I think you will find the format of the output convenient.
It looks like this:

Sp Nm W/L  =0 =1 >1 =2 >2  Adv bet                                                    =  BRoll
39 18      12 16  9  6  3 
40  6      12 16  9  6  3 
41 32      12 15 10  7  3 
42 13      11 16 10  7  3  =0:  2  5  7  8 10 15 19 20 21 24 33                      11    +22 N
43 28 L    11 16 10  6  4  =0:  2  5  7  8 10 15 19 20 21 24 33                      11    +11 S
44 32 L    11 16 10  5  5  =0:  2  5  7  8 10 15 19 20 21 24 33                      11     +0 S
45 28 L    11 16 10  5  5  =2:  4 16 23 30 34                                         5     -5 D
46 35 L    11 15 11  6  5  =0:  2  5  7  8 10 15 19 20 21 24 33                      11    -16 H
47 20 W    10 16 11  6  5  =2:  4 16 23 30 34 35                                      6    +14 D
48  9 L    10 15 12  7  5                                                                  +14
49 21       9 16 12  7  5 
50 17      * End of Session


Col 1 = Spin number
Col 2 = Winning number
Col 3 = "W" for a win, a "L" for a loss
Col 4 - 8 = The 5 columns
If there's a bet-signal it is printed next: The column to bet and the numbers in that column
If there's a bet-signal, next comes how many numbers to bet
If there's a bet-signal or was a bet for this spin, next comes the current bank-roll
(The bank-roll is shown before AND after the spin, as spins 47 - 48 above)

If there's a bet-signal, last comes a remark of the kind of signal:

N = Normal New trigger
S = Same column until change value, >36 or dead
C = Column Change value and is a new trigger (only one)
D = Different trigger, current >36 or dead
H = Higher sum trigger (selecting new trigger)
L = Leftmost trigger  (selecting new trigger)

(This is NOT included in the output from the program - I have added them afterwords so there may be errors...)


When I added those remarks, I wasn't confused by one single bet.
They were all "natural" and - I think - conforming to the rules.

The three situations you explained above are all as you said.
:D

Dear winkel; if you can please look through the sessions and confirm them correct or not (and if so; what's wrong) I can finish the tracker - as a Christmas gift to you and all!

TIA
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 17, 2008, 01:23:40 AM
KFS

Can't speak for the rest of the crew, but I'm excited. 

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 17, 2008, 04:08:36 AM
Wow!!!!!!!!
KFS...that sounds like an amazing piece of kit.Will be fun to try it out..Like Sam .I cant wait.Thank you.
TSK :)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 17, 2008, 06:39:52 AM
Hi KFS,

now I am confused  :-\

First of all: thank you for the work you do.
I am up over 300 units while you are at -15. I swear, I never tried to cheat my results. So where is the difference?
I will go into it and work it out.

One question:
I found this on Session 17 Sept. 20th:
last bet you bet on =0 means 9 numbers
but as I tried to make up the "iron rules" you had to bet on =1vs>1 14 numbers
the bet on spin 48 is okay, but then I think you should change to "higher" trigger in spin 49.
or did I express that incorrectly? so: sorry then!


Code Select
45 11      11 14 12  7  5 
46  6      10 15 12  7  5 
47 31       9 16 12  7  5 
48  4       9 15 13  8  5  =0:  7  8  9 10 13 14 15 22 24                             9    -88 N
49  3 L     9 14 14  9  5  =0:  7  8  9 10 13 14 15 22 24                             9    -97 S
50 30 L    * End of Session                                                                -97


I think: In the beginning I was very concentrated on bets 0vs1 and 1vs>1 or 0vs>1, because thats the main sorting of my idea.
But I will look after that. Perhaps I can find more hints for "gamblers intelligence"

Thanks so far
and
br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 17, 2008, 07:04:42 AM
Code Select
43 20 L    13 10 14 10  4  =1:  0  6  8 10 13 23 24 26 31 35                         10   -128 D
44  5 L    12 11 14 10  4  =0:  2  3  7  9 11 14 15 16 18 19 25 28                   12   -140 H
45 17 L    12 11 14  9  5  =0:  2  3  7  9 11 14 15 16 18 19 25 28                   12   -152 S
46 20 L    12 11 14  8  6  =0:  2  3  7  9 11 14 15 16 18 19 25 28                   12   -164 S
47 17 L    12 11 14  8  6                                                                 -164
48 32      12 11 14  7  7  =0:  2  3  7  9 11 14 15 16 18 19 25 28                   12   -176 N
49 13 L    12 10 15  8  7  =2:  1  4 12 13 22 33 34 36                                8   -184 D
50 20 L    * End of Session                                                               -184


Misunderstanding with this:

Bet spin 48

we bet 3times =0 12units and stop 45 46 47
we would rebet the 12 only:
- another trigger is bet
- the 12 would now trigger e.g. with >1

as here another trigger appears 2vs>2 we would bet this.
I think this is a mix-up with rule: bet higher trigger, if there are two triggers.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 17, 2008, 08:05:52 AM
Thanks, winkel!

What a quick reply!

Quote

now I am confused  :-\

Please don't be! I am the Kon-Fu-Sed one... ;)

Of course I have misunderstood things.
Everything else would be un-natural.


So, for the first example:

The 9-number bet at spin 49 was made in the spirit of "Keep the bet until..."
... it changes (another amount of numbers in the bet column),
... will pass 36u bet in total or
... is gone

The bet (9u) is not changed but the combination 9-8 at spin 48 is 9-9 at spin 49.

The same situation arises already in session 3:


40  3 W    12 14 11  8  3  =0:  4  5 10 15 18 21 22 26 29 31 32 36                   12    -45 C
41 33 L    12 13 12  9  3  =0:  4  5 10 15 18 21 22 26 29 31 32 36                   12    -57 S
42 16 L    12 13 12  8  4  =0:  4  5 10 15 18 21 22 26 29 31 32 36                   12    -69 S



At spin 40 there is the 12-11 signal
At spin 41 it has changed into 12-12 but I keep it although there's the 13-12 signal.


* Is this (the change from "9-8" to "9-9" and from "12-11" to "12-12") considered a "change of the trigger" and therefore a NEW search for triggers should be done?

* If so: Are also changes in the other direction (from "9-9" to "9-8" or from "12-12" to "12-11") considered the same?
(I think it's possible for two "="-columns to do this)


I don't have time to look at your second example right now.
(There's also work to be done :()
But I will look into it later and be back tomorrow.

Maybe you will have some more by then ;)


For today,
KFS

PS. Those "=2" bettings of 1-2-3 numbers - do they really pay off?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 17, 2008, 08:17:24 AM
Sam and Spider,

Yes, if it's possible for me to code this monster :) I suspect that it can be an excellent tool for "training" to become an advanced G.U.T.ter ;)

The workings are done - I have only to fix whatever winkel says (this is now the tricky part)
And then some interface matters (the script is RAW right now)
I hope to finish it in the weekend - but of course that depends of what winkel has to say.


But more on this later!
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 17, 2008, 11:28:47 AM
QuoteThe 9-number bet at spin 49 was made in the spirit of "Keep the bet until..."

Hi KFS,

that is the thing I said even TCS is discussing it with himself.
It is not one of the iron rules.

QuoteThe bet (9u) is not changed but the combination 9-8 at spin 48 is 9-9 at spin 49.

Some theory on this:
if we have a crossing near by, that means 0vs1 or 1vs2 or 2vs3
it can change like this:
0vs1
if difference is +1
13 12
changes to
13 11 died
12 13 won
13 12 sticked and second bet

if difference is 0
13 13
changes to
13 12 lost and second bet
12 14 won
13 13 sticked and second bet

if we have 1vs2 ("=a")vs("=a+1") with a>"0"
difference +1
13 12
changes to
14 12 lost and died
13 12 sticked and second bet
13 11 lost and died
difference 0
13 13
changes to
14 13 lost and second bet
13 12 lost and second bet
13 13 sticked and second bet
12 14 won and died

if we have a crossing "any"vs">any" (which means ">any" is a sum steady rising, not falling)
difference +1
14 13
changes to
13 14 won and died
14 13 sticked and second bet
14 14 lost and second bet
difference 0
13 13
changes to
12 14 won and died
13 13 sticked and second bet
14 13 lost and second bet

if we bet a crossing (TCS calls them secondary crossings) e.g. 0vs2 1vs3 0vs3 or any like these
it may work like the examples before, but if you are unlucky it will stick and you have to bet it dead

Now to make a rule out of it:
your example: 9-9 changes to 9-8
We bet a crossing but we bet the first group or the group "to fall"
this means we are betting the 9 numbers not the 8(9) or against the 8(9) numbers.
so we should only watch the first group, if it has a crossing with "any" group.
When the vs"group" changes we have a new crossing
When the vs"amount of numbers" vhanges (as above) we have the same bet(crossing) which may stick, win or die or is bet dead

does this make sense to you?

1. Sticking on the bet when a second crossing appears: Please select "higher Group or most left"
2. Betting two crossings at the same time: NO! not even their sum is <18
3. Betting early crossings of repeaters: not before spin 25

What I am still watching and thinking about: if there is a crossing 2vs3 would it be a good deal to bet all repeaters meaning group ">1"

I´m still checking the datas

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 17, 2008, 11:57:38 AM
Now to session 3

this is a good example for "gamblers intelligence"

lets have a look at "what is going on"


Code Select
0 1 >1 2 >2
36 1 0 0 0
35 2 0 0 0
34 3 0 0 0
34 2 1 1 0
33 3 1 1 0
32 4 1 1 0
31 5 1 1 0
30 6 1 1 0 from here on the "1"s start waving
29 7 1 1 0
29 6 2 2 0
28 7 2 2 0
27 8 2 2 0
26 9 2 2 0
25 10 2 2 0
24 11 2 2 0
24 10 3 3 0
23 11 3 3 0
22 12 3 3 0
22 11 4 4 0
21 12 4 4 0
20 13 4 4 0
20 12 5 5 0
19 13 5 5 0
18 14 5 5 0
18 13 6 6 0
17 14 6 6 0
17 13 7 7 0
16 14 7 7 0
16 13 8 8 0
15 14 8 8 0 here starts our first bet and we lose and everything stopps "0" no more falling "1" not waving
15 14 8 7 1
15 14 8 6 2
15 13 9 7 2 one change but same as before
15 13 9 6 3
15 13 9 6 3
15 12 10 7 3
14 13 10 7 3 here our second bet 0 have slept for a while and 1 seems to start waving again so:
14 12 11 8 3 1 is waving (TCS would stick on "0" because it has slept for a while) and
13 13 11 8 3 0 is falling; after "1" has waved 13 12 13 12 13, wave could break, 0 is overdue so bet this trigger on 0
12 14 11 8 3 everything is back to normal
12 13 12 9 3 no doubt on this bet "1"
12 13 12 8 4
12 12 13 9 4 win in second everything back to normal
12 11 14 10 4 double crossing and "2" are waving with a new high, wouldn´t bet this
12 11 14 10 4 a >2
12 11 14 9 5 a 2
12 11 14 8 6 a 2
11 12 14 8 6
11 11 15 9 6 every pressure is gone from the 0s 1s and >1 bet this 0-bet
10 12 15 9 6


@all
okay you can say this is retro. but print it and try to follow my arguments and try to see if you had come to same opinions
I wouldn´t have bet 14-13 and waited for a clearing of "What is going on". The next spin told us.

@KFS
the iron rule: change to higher bet, would have had the better result. I´d prefer this rule.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Novobetor on December 18, 2008, 03:21:20 AM
Sam,

How did you draw the chart of your account balance in your testing GUT thread? What software did you use?
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 18, 2008, 07:29:04 AM
Hello winkel,

It's very kind of you to put forward so much effort to make me understand.
I certainly appreciate it.

Really!


First, for the sake of clear communication:
Suppose this trigger: 12 - 11 or we can write "12 vs 11". We bet 12 numbers.
In the following I will call the 12 the [highlight]"bet column"[/highlight] and the 11 the [highlight]"vs-column"[/highlight].
OK?


Let's start with what I think I understand... You wrote in reply #338:
Quote

we bet 3times =0 12units and stop 45 46 47
we would rebet the 12 only:
- another trigger is bet
- the 12 would now trigger e.g. with >1

Yes, it's a mix-up. I "kill" the trigger completely when it has reached the >36u limit and search for a new.
If none is found, the result is the example you gave.

So you say that the trigger "rests" and is not to be bet again unless...
A - another trigger has been used during this "rest"
OR
B - the "vs-column" is another than the "resting"

Correct?

If so: In the "B" case...
1: Is another value in the SAME "vs-column" enough to regard it as "another" (supposing it's still a trigger)?

2: What if there are two columns of the same value - one of them is the resting "vs-column" and the other is ... another...?
Can we in this case say that the new "vs-column" is another than the resting?

OK - a FICTIOUS example:
We have the trigger "12 vs 11" and it has been resting for a few spins without interruption.
Now our current column-values are:
12 - 11 - 11
The first two columns are the same as when the trigger went to sleep but the third has become 11 just now.

So: Is this a valid "B"-case (the new "vs-column" IS another than the "resting" but has the same value)?


Regarding replies #337 and #341.

I have read your "difference table" and understand it. Well... this much:

* All "dead" triggers (lost or won) cause a search for a new trigger.
That's in place in the program.

* For all "sticked" triggers you write "and second bet".
That is what I do in the program when the trigger is exactly the same (same columns with the same values); I make a second bet but without looking for any alternative triggers.
But you write:
Quote

1. Sticking on the bet when a second crossing appears: Please select "higher Group or most left"

I don't do this in these cases but more on this matter/quote further down...

* All triggers where the "bet-column" change its value (down by 1) and STILL is a trigger, I regard as a completely new trigger and I look for alternatives.
This should be in the program...


That's the "bet-columns" - now for the changes in the "vs-columns"... You wrote:
Quote

When the vs"group" changes we have a new crossing

(I suppose - I hope! - that by [highlight]vs"group"[/highlight] you mean what I call "vs-column")

I read the quote as the "vs-column" is moving... Like in this FICTIOUS example:
12 - 12 - 11: We have trigger "12 - 12" where the RIGHT "12" is the "vs-column"

It becomes:
12 - 11 - 12: The "vs-column" has now "moved" from the second column to the third.
If this is what you mean by that quote, it's crystal clear: The trigger has CHANGED (to 12 - 11) and so we select a new one.
And we will find the new "12 - 12" and that's a completely new trigger (the >36u count = 0)

Correct?

The program should already work this way...  8)


You also wrote...
Quote

When the vs"amount of numbers" vhanges (as above) we have the same bet(crossing) which may stick, win or die or is bet dead

I read this quote as that the value of the "vs-column" changes (not the place) and it's STILL a trigger... Like in this FICTIOUS example:
13 - 13 - 9: We have trigger "13 - 13" where the RIGHT "13" is the "vs-column"

It becomes:
13 - 12 - 10: The "vs-column" has now changed the value from "13" to "12" and is still a trigger.
(And it "may stick, win or die or is bet dead".)

So this is what I THINK you mean:
In THIS case - when the value of the "vs-column" changes and the trigger is STILL a trigger - we keep it ONLY if there is NO OTHER trigger.
If there's another one we select THAT one - also if it's NOT the High-value or Leftmost one (compared to the "old" trigger only).
If there is no other, we keep this one only if the >36u limit is not reached.

Correct?

I am not sure but I think so because it was in this context you wrote:
Quote

1. Sticking on the bet when a second crossing appears: Please select "higher Group or most left"

OR: Is this quote a GENERAL rule - we shall ALWAYS look for alternative triggers? Remember I quoted this above?
(And IF it's a general rule: Is the old trigger included in or excluded from the selection?)


You also wrote:
Quote

2. Betting two crossings at the same time: NO! not even their sum is <18
3. Betting early crossings of repeaters: not before spin 25


#2 has never been an option for me.

#3... Do you mean that the "=2"- and ">2"-columns should not be bet before spin #25?


Edit:
You say at some places "change to the [highlight]lower / higher[/highlight] (bet or trigger)"
Is the relation of trigger-values something to consider EXCEPT when we compare to find the "High-value" trigger among several?
(AND of course EXCEPT in the contexts discussed above ;))



Thanks for your patience!
I hope I have understand this much this far.

Probably not ;)
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 18, 2008, 11:49:35 AM
Hi KFS,

so far I think you got it like I tried to explain.

let me put it in one single example, which would cost us a fortune when we meet it:

13 13 10 10 0 Trigger 0vs1
13 12 11 10 0 it is the [highlight]same trigger[/highlight]
13 12 11 9 1 now this trigger is bet dead and we have a new trigger 1vs>1 also two triggers at the same time but the first is dead
13 11 12 10 1 now we have a new Trigger 0vs>1
13 11 12 9 2 [highlight]same trigger[/highlight]
13 10 13 10 2 The "0"-Trigger is dead after 2 bets and we use the "lower" Trigger to bet
13 9 14 11 2
13 8 15 12 2 now we have a new Trigger on "0"
13 7 16 13 2 [highlight]same trigger[/highlight]
13 6 17 14 2 The "0"-Trigger is dead after 2 bets
13 6 17 13 2 This is a new Trigger
13 6 17 12 3 [highlight]same trigger[/highlight]
13 6 17 11 4

I hope this makes all situations clear.
This is also an Example for what I call a "Bad Wave" and you should better jump than ride it.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 18, 2008, 12:44:31 PM
All.....

This bad wave can last for what seems an eternity!!  I can almost promise you this:  If you have two triggers and bet one, the other will hit!

The Devil spins this wheel!

Sam
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 18, 2008, 03:36:53 PM
Hi winkel,


The following are the "iron rules" ;) as far as I understand them - this far...
I hope.

I cross my fingers...

Please give feedback.
(It may be impossible for me to POST from tomorrow until Monday but please give feedback as it's possible for me to READ and program)


TIA, and best regards,
KFS


Have a nice weekend, all!


========================================================

GENERAL:

* Never bet more than 17 numbers

* Selecting one of several triggers:
Add the "bet-column"- and "vs-column"-values. The highest sum gives the selection - the "High-value" trigger
When there are two "High-value" triggers, the two leftmost columns are selected - the "Leftmost" trigger

* A trigger that does not change cannot bet a total of more than 36u - this is called the ">36u limit"

* When a trigger is "NEW" the ">36u limit" counter is set to 0

* There is no bet-limit
* There is no loss-limit
* There is no win-limit


RULES:

Rule A
No betting at all before the 13th number is shown

Rule B
No betting on column "=2" before the 25th number is shown

Rule C
The session stops when the 50th number is shown

Rule D
Event: The trigger has reached the ">36u limit"
Result: The trigger is "fat"
Action: Look for the "best" trigger - EXCLUDE the current trigger UNTIL:
a) the "vs-column" can be ANOTHER column
OR
b) another trigger has been used

Rule E
Example 1: Trigger 12 vs 11 ===> 12 vs 10
Example 2: Trigger 9 vs 8 ===> 10 vs 8
Result: The trigger is "dead"
Action: Select a NEW "best" trigger if possible


Rule F
Before ANY of the Rules G - J (below) come into play:

Look for the "High-value" trigger

Result A: The current trigger IS NOT the "High-value" trigger
Action A: Use the "High-value" trigger as a NEW trigger

Result B: The current trigger IS EQAUL TO the "High-value" trigger
Action B: Select the "Leftmost" (may be the current) trigger

Result C1: The current trigger IS NOT the (selected) "Leftmost" trigger
Action C1: Use the "Leftmost" trigger as a NEW trigger

Result C2: The current trigger IS the (selected) "Leftmost" trigger
Action C2: Rules G - J are used:


Rule G
Example: Trigger 12 vs 11 ===> 12 vs 11
Result: The current trigger is exactly the same as before the spin
Action: Bet the SAME trigger if not "fat" (see Rule D)

Rule H
Example 1: Trigger 12 vs 11 ===> 11 vs 11
Example 2: Trigger 8 vs 8 ===> 9 vs 8
Result: The "bet-column" is changed
Action: Select the "best" trigger - INCLUDING the current - as a NEW trigger

Rule I
Example 1: Trigger 12 vs 11 (x) ===> 12 vs (x) 11
Example 1: Trigger 9 vs 8 (x) ===> 9 vs (x) 8
Result: The "vs-column" has "moved" (the same value is found in another column)
Action: Select the "best" trigger - INCLUDING the current - as a NEW trigger

Rule J
Example 1: Trigger 12 vs 11 ===> 12 vs 12
Example 2: Trigger 9 vs 9 ===> 9 vs 8
Result: The "vs-column" is changed (AND Rule I is not applicable)
Action: Select the "best" trigger - EXCLUDING the current - as a NEW trigger

If none is found we use this - the current - trigger.
BUT...
Exception:
Suppose these crossings:

Example 1:       Example 2:
(13 vs 11)       (13 vs 14)
12 vs 12         13 vs 13
12 vs 11 <===    13 vs 12 <===

As long as Rule I doesn't apply we look for the best trigger EXCLUDING the current one ("<===").
If none is found, the current one is used.

All this according to the rule.

Description of the exception:

Example 3:       Example 4:
(13 vs 11)
12 vs 12        (13 vs 14)
12 vs 12         13 vs 13
12 vs 12         13 vs 13
12 vs 11 <===    13 vs 12 <===

Before the current situation ("<===") Rule G applied to the triggers, at least once.
If the (right) "vs-column" hadn't changed in the current situation, Rule G would still be valid but the trigger would have gone "fat" because the total bet would be >36.

This is the exception:
In this situation we NEVER bet the current trigger.

If none else is found; WE DON'T BET.



Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on December 18, 2008, 03:50:41 PM
I think those are excellent Kon-Fu-Sed.  Especially not betting more than 12 numbers.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 18, 2008, 03:57:10 PM
@Sam
Quote

The Devil spins this wheel!

That's just too correct :D


@Proof

What do you mean...
Quote

not betting more than 12 numbers

Those "12"triggers were only examples.

/KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 18, 2008, 03:58:24 PM
Hi KFS,

well done! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

but could you please use a computer with artificial intelligence that is able to learn making nice decisions?

nice weekend
and
br
winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 21, 2008, 08:31:43 AM
@All

I extended my 100 days test

@TCS you can see it recovers

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1229854739.png&hash=42540a4ccdcbad5da7f789ce199be90e8ebc3504)

As I tried to find out if the way to play like TCS does is working I started a new Test with some additional rules (just to confuse KFS  >:D)
To get some results I play 8 games a day on 8 different tables.
Theses new rules produce an enormous up and down.
And I try to find out if any MM gives better results
- Stopp at spin 50
- Stopp either on <-40 or >+40
- Stopp either on >+40 or at spin 50

Results so far
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1229854599.png&hash=3637599afc57609803ef2044d507c6fd19e23943)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 21, 2008, 08:44:29 AM
Hello all,

My Christmas gift is found in the Members Download - GUTCBA.
The complete manual is posted in the software section.

There is ONE EXCEPTION included in the rules that is new.

However, I think that exception is a "clinical rule".

If not: Please alert me, winkel.

The sum of winkel's September days using these rules is +58 (if I added correctly).

I have checked every bet in those September 4 - 30 sessions and I could not find any bet that wasn't done according to the rules.
Could I have missed one or several?
Maybe, but honestly I don't think so.

PLEASE alert me if you find any errors of any kind.
TIA.

Now I just hope that the rules are good enough to keep the promises winkel have made for the clinical way.
They should be, according to a reply only a few posts above.


Merry Christmas to you all!
KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 21, 2008, 08:50:19 AM
Thx KFS,

I just had a short look to your manual.
Hell of a Job you´ve done! My respect!

Which is the exception you mentioned?

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winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Kon-Fu-Sed on December 21, 2008, 08:53:19 AM
Hi winkel,

Thanks.

The exception is added last to the rules above.

/KFS
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Novobetor on December 21, 2008, 03:24:13 PM
Hi KFS,

How do you use GUTCBA ? Please advise.

Thank you
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Worm on December 21, 2008, 04:42:23 PM
Novobetor---> nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/g-u-t-c-b-a/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/g-u-t-c-b-a/)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Novobetor on December 21, 2008, 05:21:07 PM
ahh... Thank you  ;D
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: paganes on December 28, 2008, 11:36:51 PM
Please help me with this situation.

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My play (maybe not good):

34.                 0vs1    (14-14)         bet 14
35.   Lost        0vs1   (14-13)          bet 14   
36.   Win

39.                 0 vs +1  (12-11)         bet 12     
40.   Lost        0 vs +1  (12-12)         bet 12
41.   Lost        0 vs +1  (12-12)         bet 12
42.   Lost        1 vs +1  (13-12)         bet 13
43.   Lost        1 vs +1  (13-12)         bet 13
44.   Win         0 vs  1   (12-12)         bet 12
45.   Win         1 vs +1  (13-13)         bet 13
46.   Lost        1 vs +1  (14-13)         bet 14
47.   Win         0 vs  2   (10-10)         bet 10
48.   Lost

Thank you.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on December 29, 2008, 06:39:23 AM
Hi paganes,

this is a normal situation.

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winkel
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on January 02, 2009, 04:37:01 PM
I have played 8 Tables and finished at 12-31-08

QuoteAs I tried to find out if the way to play like TCS does is working I started a new Test with some additional rules (just to confuse KFS  Evil)
To get some results I play 8 games a day on 8 different tables.
Theses new rules produce an enormous up and down.
And I try to find out if any MM gives better results
- Stopp at spin 50
- Stopp either on <-40 or >+40
- Stopp either on >+40 or at spin 50

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1230921117.png&hash=98d1189e4ea4d7fb6e9bfe27b98e8ad9b1c2371d)
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: kompressor on January 31, 2009, 01:02:31 AM
best MM is stop at +40 or spin 50
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Poit on May 09, 2009, 01:11:30 AM
so what happened to this thread? last post was 30 jan??
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: haribekur on June 07, 2009, 12:54:12 PM
this is my today 3 sessions results

07.Session #1 = +26
    Session #2 = +42
    Session #3 = -22
Total :             +46

i don't play it the as you call "clinic" way.I bet when i see advantage
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: VLSroulette on November 19, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
Hello. Hopefully Winkel can access to reply.

Regards.
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on November 19, 2009, 02:38:28 PM
I wanted to share a varitaion to GUT that has been working pretty well.  Ok, here goes:

Spins come, place in respective area: unhit numbers, numbers hit once or more.

When total unhit numbers =(or one more than) numbers hit..(the virgin crossing as TwoCat calls it--usually 19 numbers), flat bet those---and keep flat betting those each spin.  An early test showed a good result. +67 :)

BTW, congratulations on your own section and promotion to moderator, Winkel. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Testing G.U.T
Post by: winkel on November 19, 2009, 02:47:01 PM
hi Proof,

this is what I tried before I came to G.U.T

If you wanna play like this, pls watch this:
19 unhit should be at spin 25
If 19 numbers are left before spin 25 don´t play
If 19 numbers are left at spin 25 or later check this:
from spin 25 to spin 37 5-6 unhit numbers will show up
start playing only when first number has hit
stop playing if there are 3 hits


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winkel
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