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Testing G.U.T

Started by winkel, September 04, 2008, 04:10:41 PM

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ernesto

Quote from: winkel on September 04, 2008, 04:21:57 PM
RNG

40 33 -21 12 14 11 8
41 1 rr -33 12 13 12 9
42 20 rr -45 12 13 12 8
43 10 rr -57 12 12 13 9
44 32 -57 12 12 13 9
45 7 -57 12 12 13 9
46 0 -57 12 11 14 10
47 30 rr -69 12 10 15 11
48 35 rr -45 11 11 15 11
49 28 nr -56 10 12 15 11
50 11 nr -32 10 11 16 12


Sorry Winkel, I have a question again.

This is from your very first test.
In the row 40 you start playing the 12-11 trigger. After 3 loses you stop. And in the row 43 the loosing trigger gone, but here come a new 12-12 trigger, but this is not from same position, so why did you not play this trigger? What rule did you apply this situation?

thanks
ernesto

TwoCatSam

Ernesto

Was it because on those three spins he had two triggers?

Sam

ernesto

Sam

I don't think so that was the reason, because you can see in the next test.

Quote from: winkel on September 05, 2008, 08:03:33 PM
RNG


41 32 25 14 11 12
42 6 25 13 12 12
43 1 rr 12 13 12 12
44 3 rr 35 12 13 12
45 33 rr 59 11 14 12
46 25 59 10 15 12


Winkel got two trigger in row 42. 13-12 and the 12-12. And that will be my next question: why he choose here 13-12?
And won in row 44 and he had again two trigger. He played here the 12-12, why not 13-12 again?

Winkel said in theese test he played every trigger, maybe when he had two trigger just pick one of them and play because it is not really important in long term.
Sometimes we select the loosing trigger, sometimes the winner.

ernesto

TwoCatSam

Ernesto


41   32      25    14   11   12
42   6       25    13   12   12....Here he lost money and went from 25 down to 12.  He had to bet 13 units.



43   1   rr   12    13   12   12....here he went from 12 up to 35, won 23 units.  Means he bet 13 units again.

44   3   rr   35    12   13   12

You are right; he had two bets.  0 vs 1 and 1 vs 2.  I understood him to say you always bet the 0s when tied.

Sam

ernesto

Yes Sam, the row 42, 43 was clear, but when in the row 44 select 12-12 against 13-12.

44   3   rr   35    12   13   12
45   33   rr   59    11   14   12

But you said always bet the 0s when tied. So he select 0 vs >1 (12-12) against 1 vs >1 (13-12)

Thanks Sam!
ernesto

TwoCatSam

Ernesto

If you're saying there is a tie at spin #44, I don't agree.  Look at this:

44   3   rr   35    12   13   12

The 12 13 is not a crossing.  Would have to be 13 12.  Only crossing is 1 vs 2 or >1 (whichever he calls it) which is 13 12.

Sam

ernesto

Sam

At the spin #44 we have not only one crossing, I think.

                         0x  1x   >1
44   3   rr   35    12   13   12

We have 1x vs >1 and 0x vs >1, and he bet on 0x vs >1 because his bankroll increase with 24 unit, so he can't bet on 1x vs >1 (13-12) because in this case he win only 36-13=23 unit.

45   33   rr   59    11   14   12         +24 unit

But I think the 0s have higher priority when you have two trigger.

ernesto

TwoCatSam

Ernesto

You are right.  I missed that!

Sam

ernesto

Winkel

I don't want to make off-topic with my questions, but I have more.
Please tell me if you want to see in this thread only your test and your summary.
Maybe I have to post the questions about this test in the Full Systems topic?

ernesto

winkel

Sorry boys I´m not very well today.

You found following situation:
(your first question)
starting row 41
I bet a trigger 12-11 0vs>1
I bet three times and the trigger is gone 12-13

Decision don´t bet on "0" anymore

then row 46 "0" haven´t hit since 7 spins
and a new trigger 0vs"2" appears
Chance for "0" to fall is high now because target in spin 50 is 9 14 14

but because "0" is slow I just try 1 hit and then change to bet the other new trigger "1"vs"2"

it is what I called the "advanced way" because when you are new you only look for the trigger to come.
When you´re advanced you can see "what´s going on" and compare with the the trigger that appears and look if it is wise to bet or not.
If in doubt just don´t bet.

br
winkel

winkel

Quote from: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 11:30:26 AM
Sam

I don't think so that was the reason, because you can see in the next test.

Quote from: winkel on September 05, 2008, 08:03:33 PM
RNG


41 32 25 14 11 12
42 6 25 13 12 12
43 1 rr 12 13 12 12
44 3 rr 35 12 13 12
45 33 rr 59 11 14 12
46 25 59 10 15 12


Winkel got two trigger in row 42. 13-12 and the 12-12. And that will be my next question: why he choose here 13-12?
And won in row 44 and he had again two trigger. He played here the 12-12, why not 13-12 again?

Winkel said in theese test he played every trigger, maybe when he had two trigger just pick one of them and play because it is not really important in long term.
Sometimes we select the loosing trigger, sometimes the winner.

ernesto

I don´t know where this situation is from, but I presume that "0" here also had have no hit several times so it was recommended to bet "0" instead of the other triggers.


ernesto

Thanks Winkel the answers!

Here is my next question
Quote from: winkel on September 08, 2008, 08:38:25 AM
RNG

Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
41 11 rr -28 14 12 11 6 5
42 19 nr -40 13 13 11 6 5
43 0 nr -17 13 12 12 7 5
44 22 nr -29 13 12 12 7 5


At spin #42 your bankroll was -40 and at #43 was only -17. The difference is 23, so you have to bet 13 untit, but I can see only 0 vs 1 trigger which is lost. Or can we bet on 1 vs 0?

ernesto

TwoCatSam

winkel

Take care of yourself, Brother!

Sam

winkel

Quote from: ernesto on September 22, 2008, 02:05:21 PM
Thanks Winkel the answers!

Here is my next question
Quote from: winkel on September 08, 2008, 08:38:25 AM
RNG

Coups Permanenz R N F Rr Nr Fr lfd. Saldo R N F F2 F3
41 11 rr -28 14 12 11 6 5
42 19 nr -40 13 13 11 6 5
43 0 nr -17 13 12 12 7 5
44 22 nr -29 13 12 12 7 5






At spin #42 your bankroll was -40 and at #43 was only -17. The difference is 23, so you have to bet 13 untit, but I can see only 0 vs 1 trigger which is lost. Or can we bet on 1 vs 0?

ernesto

This bet in row 43 is absolutely wrong. Sorry for that mistake. I Can´t remember what happened there.

The situation is:
I watch 2 Tables at Wiesbaden producing numbers.
By changing from one Excel-Sheet to the other there may occure some confusion.
On the other hand I told already: you can simply play like an idiot and make wrong decisions the otucome is always the same: You win that often, that all your losses are recovered. Sometimes you win some units more.

Sorry for my mistakes, but you have to believe that I try a clinical test so nobody can say I didn´t bet because I saw the loss, or I did bet because I sow the win. Mistakes are human and I applie for that.

br
winkel

ernesto

Winkel

Everybody make mistakes! But now I know this is a mistake, not a part of the strategy. That is waht I want to know.

I found a few mistake, because I'm not playing in real-time, just analyze your test.
But you play in real. So no problem, and thanks!

ernesto

ernesto

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