Tomorrow I have scheduled a session with dealer friend at local casino. He is having success lately by using this bet selection:
- Monitoring each dozen and column separately.
- After 3 consecutive landings on a dozen if it doesn't repeat, he enables it.
- He bets when it lands on enabled dozen/column that it WILL REPEAT. i.e. dozen 1 is enabled, when it lands on dozen 1, he bets on it to appear twice: D1+D1 combination.
- If there's a hit, the attack is over. If not, he allows for 2 more times (3 times total) before letting it go.
That's what he has shown profit with lately, though I've seen him break even too. He goes with 2000 units aiming for 25% or +500 units, but he plays an agressive progression (which I'm not fan of).
I'm positive he flat bets first 3 tries, but then he goes into a progressive line of bets.
This betting plan is selective, situational and doesn't get stuck with "it has to repeat".
I'll report back on how he does tomorrow. As for me, I'll be "grinding", 10% return and I'd be smiling :thumbsup:
Cheers.
Hope this bet selection from my dealer friend adds to someone.
Victor
- After 3 consecutive landings on a dozen if it doesn't repeat, he enables it.
Victor
Could you put that in Okie Redneck for me?
Sam
Hey TCS - I have the same question lol...
I think it means if it hits 3 times in a row (or more)... Hit = w
nolinksLLLw(now bet 3 times for a repeat hit)
If when betting we encountered LLL repeat the process again this time with a progression.
How'd I do Vic???
Does your friend hedge the Zero? that could be wise?
wlwlwl bet after the next w to be wlwlwlww (after 3 single hit bet that next hit will be a reapeat)
On sunday I made a session with dealer friend. Of course, had to go to a different casino, not where he's been hired (for obvious reasons). I was +48 at some point, only 2 units left to win goal... and... drum rolls.. Back to break even. He made his 25% (500 over a 2000 bank) and I was still grinding :-[
He waited for me some more time, then as I was having a hard time going up, as soon as I got to initial bank point, we left. Total time from 6:45pm to ~10pm. Not bad to him. Breaking even for me could be taken as a loss of time, but as Lanky would say, even if not financially: it was a win, as it isn't how much you win but how much you don't lose what counts. (i.e. not losing = no units to worry recouping).
As to be completely clear with his bet selection, he explained to me each dozen and column is tracked independently:
D1
D2
D3
C1
C2
C3
He uses a series of shapes like tiny dots, triangles and squares as notation to denote enabled/disabled state, I'll simply use asterisk (*) = jump, | = repeat.
When it lands on a dozen and next spin "jumps" to any of the other 2, he marks a "jump" = *
If this shows 12, 24. Results in marking :
D1: *
Later on it falls again on dozen 1, say it comes 9, 33:
D1: * *
Then when Dozen 1 appears it Jump, i.e. 2 , 28:
D1: * * *
That's his signal to enable Dozen 1. Then he patiently waits for the moment when it comes dozen 1 again, he enters on it, and if it repeats (say Numbers: 7 , 12), he wins and marks a repeat:
D1: * * * |
Now Dozen 1 is disabled until three consecutive "jumps" ( * * * ) happen, and he spots them clearly on his tracking sheet.
Say it goes:
D1: * * * | * | * * | * * * <- this enabled Dozen 1 again. Wait patiently for it to show again. At times a dozen can dissapear for a while, precisely his enabled one. It happens.
Like I said he uses notations like dots, triangles and squares, but it could also be tracked via Lw
As for the money management, I know he flat bets first 3 "attacks", then he rises. He gave me a progressive line of bets, but I still don't know whole details. We aren't always wagering at the same wheel. I do not go for 00 wheels unless the casino I am at doesn't has any single 0 one, but he confirms he even likes 00 more! He says it is more comfortable to him as he's used to them (at his casino there are only 00 wheels, greedy management!). I explained him 00 adds more edge to the house.
LoL, talking about me explaining this, I said that about 00 to my friend Markus and he replied: "yes victor, but 00 doesn't come that often every time". I explained him about mathematical house edge, again, but nah.
Anyway, according to dealer friend, he believes numerical arrangement on the 00 wheel brings more disposition to repeating columns spun(?). That's a funny theory, we know it shouldn't matter, he claims that particularly of column 2. Of course, personally I dismissed it, but there might be something.
When observing single 0 vs 00's column 2 as he highlighted, we observe this:
Single [highlight]0[/highlight]
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We all know in the long run numbers will match expected, but in the short run, I can picture a column 2 spree when dealer is stuck on that predominant side of the wheel. In the arc from 23 to 5.
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Beliefs or timing... as long as someone wins, he is feeling being right.
Kind regards,
Victor
Victor
OK, almost clear. One question. Using your example:
D1: * * *
Let's assume it has gone...
D1
D3
D1
D2
D1-------Do we bet now for D1 to repeat
D3
D1------or now?
Is it "enabled" after the third singleton and we bet after the fourth singleton for a doubleton to occur?
If we loose, do we continue to bet for D1 or do we wait for another D1 and then bet for the doubleton?
This is a very interesting methodology and very close to one I use from time to time.
Sam
but its very difficult for this to happen..i mean i spin 1 by 1 100 spins on roulette extreme waiting for 3 jumps and still didnt came... :(
Hi ikarianman ,
You can post the rx code of the system ?
thanks
There are six times this can happen: 3 Dozens and 3 Columns. Hard to imagine that tracking all six you would not find a few occasions where a dozen or column was a singleton four times in a row.
I have a trot of 150 real-wheel spins lying in the pile before me.
Let me look.......
Sam
hi neuro!i dont know how to make code,i did it qith eye and hand,but twocatSam can do it as i see:)good
Guys
I just did a short run through about 30 numbers and found five instances where you had a dozen or column be a singleton four times. I'm assuming you can have any number of hits between the singleton:
D1...........This is your first one.
D2
D1.....Second....
D2
D3
D3
D2
D1...........THIRD
D3
D2
D3
D1........TRIGGER.........
Now, if i understand it right, you begin betting for back-to-back D1s now.
This begs for an XL sheet to keep things orderly.
Sam
ok Sam,i thought it had to be like that(consecutive )
example
D1
D2
D1
D3
D1
D2
AND NOW BET ON D1,with what i understood is very difficult to find this pattern but as you did it is good
I believe I understand this...
If only tracking Dozen 1 your tracking sheet shall only be marked on the spin after D1...
a repeat marks "|" and a singleton marks a "*"
D1,D1 = |
D1,(D2/D3) = *
This creates the stream of ***||****|*|*|*...
You will definately get the stream of 3 singletones to enable this system if tracking all 6 bets.
Again I ask... does hedging the zero come in handy using this? or just ignore it?
wiggy
Don't know about hedging zero.
I made an XL sheet to test this. It can easily miss five in a row. Usually hits on second or third.
Sam
just my opinion why not hedge it with another dozen.
QuoteD1...........This is your first one.
D2
D1.....Second....
D2
D3
D3
D2
D1...........THIRD
D3
D2
D3
D1........TRIGGER.........
Now, if i understand it right, you begin betting for back-to-back D1s now.
@ Sam
From what I understand this example of Yours would be right Mate.
QuoteI made an XL sheet to test this. It can easily miss five in a row. Usually hits on second or third.
@ Sam
I think He is only betting it for 3 more spins Mate.
No hits ...no more bets until it re-qualifies again.
(would be interesting to know what He does when it hits 10 in a row)..(stops after the 1st repeat I guess)
QuoteAgain I ask... does hedging the zero come in handy using this? or just ignore it?
@ Wiggy.
Mate everyone is different when it comes to hedging the Zero.
I think it would depend on the Bet size Cobber.(I take the Zp a lot Mate as You know,especially if the bet has risen)
Good On Ya Mates.
Lanky.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 04, 2009, 01:41:08 AM
wiggy
Don't know about hedging zero.
I made an XL sheet to test this. It can easily miss five in a row. Usually hits on second or third.
Sam
You can post the XL sheet?
This sheet is manual. It does not calculate the dozens or columns.
Sam
By the way, only print page one as it is messed up beyond that. Lord knows what it will print.
I use a format
1
2
3
T.....for trigger.
I am still unclear as to whether you bet
1
2
3
T
bet
bet
bet........OR
1
2
3
T
bet and and lose. Wait for new trigger
T
Loss2
T
Loss3
and so on............
Sam
many thanks Sam!
Here is a scanned sheet I just did. You will see 1 2 3 T indicate four times a dozen/column has hit as a singleton. When they hit back-to-back, you get a new 1.
L1, L2 and so on are the numbers of losses.
Another thing I'm not clear on.......Should W (win) also be the first of your four? Or should you wait for a new singleton? In this trot I waited, but I feel I should use W as the the first, ie W1.
An aside: Notice how the second dozen slept from spin 7 until 32? 25 times! I was not looking for this, but there it is.
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Quote from: ikarianman on February 03, 2009, 04:32:15 PM
but its very difficult for this to happen..i mean i spin 1 by 1 100 spins on roulette extreme waiting for 3 jumps and still didnt came... :(
PACIENCE IS THE KEY TO ALL SUCCESFULL SYSTEMS HOWEVER. if that is the case alot of the time where we do not get a TRIGGER for a while then we could just make our own extra dozens so we have 9 sets to look at e.g the 6 coulms/dozens + an extra 3 colums a-7-18, b-19-30, c-31-6.
and victor you are a LEGEND at explaing methods making it easy to understand :thumbsup:
Ah Matt, thanks for your kind words.
Today I talked to dealer friend once again.
This is why all of the freaky symbols: Each dozen and column runs on its own progressive series. Dealer friend is a freaking FOX!
So each dozen and column gets enabled and disabled in cooperative mode.
Now I understand a bit more on his money management and why this system worked to him.
It goes in two stages. After enabled dozen/column first part of money as highlighted is flat betting for 3 tries. On its own. Second stage is rising each one progresively on what I think is a part negative and part positive progresive line of bets (will get more into this next time, today I saw him in a kind of rushy fashion).
I told him about we debating his system and he said to tell you guys he's got the perfect name: "[highlight]Oballeitor"[/highlight], mixture of his last name with.. you guessed, the terminator! [smiley=cool.gif].
He said he has tested it on his sets of actuals and cooperatively it holds up for him.
We have scheduled another session for Sunday Feb. 8th. Will actually pay more attention to his notation symbols... He will totally don't matter on me peeking and asking for explanations. He seemed to enjoy knowing others are participating to his approach.
So each dozen and column gets different accounting. When one is presenting deficit, the other ones "feed" or "donate" their units to "patch"/ lower deficitary amount, this is why the recovery is so easy to him. When winning, he "patches" deficitary dozens and moves on with net wins quicker.
Always the most deficitary dozen or column is the one getting helped.
He has a global reset point when global balance is up.
There's more to this system than I though. This is more elaborated than it looked at first glance.
Kind regards.
Victor
Patience is very trying. [smiley=3D-gros-anim/36_2_49.gif]
cool
Please thank your friend from me for allowing us to debate what looks like a fascinating approach Victor
The Spiders Kiss
hi victor i think lanky had a system on even chances simalar to this .where he woUld waiT for 3 lw to form .i could be wrong.cheers TINO
Sorry guys, with so many things at my "to do" list, I just skipped this thread.
- More of dealer's bet selections right now, cooperative money management deserves a thread of its own.
Okay other betting triggers are:
- 3 times dozen/column repeat, he enters TWICE they won't make it.
Okay, I'll write in spanish first:
QuoteCuando un elemento de una docena o columna repite, puede ser N veces, marco una vez, luego que se sale de esa docena o columna donde repitió, si repite N veces no importa cuántas, marco dos veces, si vuelve y repite en la docena o columna nueva por tercera vez, luego que sale allí entro con las otras dos docenas a que NO va a volver a repetir ese fenómeno en los siguientes 2 intentos.
Spanish-speaking people got that one.
In MY words: After he sees the concatenated event of a dozen (column) "jump to another and repeat there" for 3 consecutive times, he bets this "jump and repeat" event won't happens for the next 2 trials.
Betting for two dozen/column singles isn't insane, as singles are expected to happen more often, hence they are expected to "clump" more easy than concatenated series of 2 or more when betting a group of 12 numbers.
For ease of understanding, let's use singles vs repeats (of N elements, can be two or more, for tracking purposes all consecutive instances are "a repeat") using one line for each. Standard Dozens/Column notation as 1,2,3:
2
3
1111 Repeat event #1
33 Repeat event #2
111 Repeat event #3 = Trigger.
2 <- Here he bets columns 1 and 3 the repeat will NOT happen for the 4th time. If it happens he tries another time.
Let's say it repeats again, so retaking above's chart:
2
3
1111 Repeat event #1
33 Repeat event #2
111 Repeat event #3 = Trigger.
22 <- Dozen 2 repeats, 1st trigger bet lost. Pause until it "Jumps". It may repeat for N times, we keep in pause.
1 <- Dozen 1 is a single out of a jump to dozen 3, trigger is won. Shall it had repeat again, we leave it alone, it can deviate as wished, this selection trigger gets disabled.
3
Sam or anyone can test this. Natural occurrance is for singles to dominate over repeaters at dozens/columns, for trigger to fail it has to be reversed, order in chaos for prolonged times does happen
at times, but natural state of the game fo roulette is unstable, not ordered.
Like I said, this man is a fox and has plenty of experience with witnessed spins under his belt. He knows his events, when to enter and when to "let go". Remember "grinder's mentality": You never try to outsmart the wheel, you do your "statistical attack zone" and let go if it go past.
Rule #1 for a grinder: Never get stuck on a certain combination thinking "it HAS to come"...
because while it is true it WILL appear at a any time in the future given spins keep happening, you don't know exactly when. It isn't uncommon for stubborn people to have their backed combination/location appear... for the next player, evening out when the losing fellow is at home already. Patience, Patience, Patience. I've seen this man wait for many spins, even 20+ without laying a single bet as there are just no triggers available.
So golden grinding rule: do not serve your units on a silver plate to be eaten by a
single deviation on casino's favor, rather
make pauses + patience and have it make horrible
concatenations of non-regular events (I.e. as in dealer's friend case doubles taking over expected singles at the dozens/columns in two batches of 5 for him to lose only 4 -recoupable- bets).
This is the grinding spirit: no conditions, no betting. Falling slow at bad times, while using (and abusing) hit rate on the good trams. Roulette is an extreme game both ways, when it is "with you" and against you. Do not try to outsmart the wheel, but do take some conscious risks on the positive trams as they may get heavily on your favor. Of course, do not count on it, always think your bets considering the next spin a miss and being prepared for it, but when "your moment" of concentration of hits happens, DO SQEEZE IT! If on the hole risk some to recoup fast, if it takes you when at bankroll balance high let part of wins ride a bit.
Remember as a grinder you are a "Roulette Sailor", you do not make the events but you can spot and use them as they happen. You can also try to syncronize with some you know might reasonably happen. Say you have been betting as usual and noticed dozen 1 hasn't appeared as expected as has a pronounced deficit of hits since you started, then when it repeats 1,1 or goes 1,X,1 (its concentration of hits) you may risk some and hold your bets until 3 loses. If evening-out happens and it becomes a hot one, you use it to "climb" nearer your recovery/win goal. If not, you lost 3 times with tester units, recoupable. That is situational play and yes, those EXTRAS do help the grind :) Grinders usually call them "my moment", the times when the tide is on your side, which is simply concentration of hits for an event which comes in a player's goal observation, cold blood and -of course- clear goals to have.
Thanks for your attention guys and hope to be able to report back more of his triggers. The man makes consistent money out of his triggers/observations, we must always stay open to learn from those who grind their profit efficiently :)
Best regards,
Victor
hello Victor!this is very nice way I am trying it and does the job very good.I have a question
in your example you have 1111 then 33 then 111 .we have an "event" that 3 times the doz or col appeard more than once.you say that he is waiting for a 3 time repeat on each doz or col,which is in total 9 spins.
in your example its 4repeats+2repeats+3repeats=9 spins.was this by luck?or 9 spins are a "must"?if for example I have
11-22-11 and then a single?is that a trigger(this is 6 spins).or if I have
11-22-3333 and then a single?(8spins)
thanks :)
Quote11-22-11 and then a single?is that a trigger(this is 6 spins).or if I have
11-22-3333 and then a single?(8spins)
Thanks for reading the post and sure: Yes and yes.
When you track Columns/Dozens you notice immediatly being 12-number groups the singles are more prone to clump than 2+ stacks, hence for dealer friend to lose an attack they have to clump for 5 consecutive times (which of course can happen, but it is a fine event for cooperative event-driven play waiting and catching events as they appear).
Regards.
Victor.
My Mate this is Bloody clever.
Your Friend is very good at condensing things down to simplicity.
So to sum up He is getting the best from both ways providing of course the Dispersions do not go against Him too much.
He can bet the Singles with trigger being the 4th consecutive single of any Dozen/Column.
And also that there will not be a double Dozen/Column repeated to the 4th & 5th Bet,after the event has happened 3 times in a row.
I loved the 3 stop loss on the Singles and the 2 stop loss on the Repeats.
How the hell did We (All the Dozen/Column Players)miss this in the past Cobber ??????.
I am going to throw Myself into studying this one Mate.
I think this is Taylor Made for the Divisor Betting.
This is Bloody good.
Thanks Mate.
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on March 31, 2009, 01:54:20 AM
Victor.
My Mate this is Bloody clever.
Your Friend is very good at condensing things down to simplicity.
So to sum up He is getting the best from both ways providing of course the Dispersions do not go against Him too much.
He can bet the Singles with trigger being the 4th consecutive single of any Dozen/Column.
And also that there will not be a double Dozen/Column repeated to the 4th & 5th Bet,after the event has happened 3 times in a row.
I loved the 3 stop loss on the Singles and the 2 stop loss on the Repeats.
How the hell did We (All the Dozen/Column Players)miss this in the past Cobber ??????.
I am going to throw Myself into studying this one Mate.
I think this is Taylor Made for the Divisor Betting.
This is Bloody good.
Thanks Mate.
Lanky.
I ditto that too Lanky me mate cheers all
Rodney
I like this Victor....... A LOT...thank you ,my friend :)
TSK
hello friends!i am playing this style for some days now,and i only had one lost,a 5th stuck was shaped once,but it doesnt matter so much i guess.also i combine it with a "five repeat" of a doz or col then bet the other 2(kind of fallacy i now but works most of the times).what about mixing the Lw system also?and get an hybrid playing 2 or 3 systems as one so not to wait for 1 trigger but 2 or 3?the time of waiting will be less and the profits bigger,(i hope there will be)
ps :as for the observing a 5 repeat of a dozen may not impress anybody but a result that would be much more out of ordinary would yell "bet against me"
it could be something like this in doz or columns
11111211111x? and then bet against 1 betting 2 and 3.you dont have to wait for this to happen you can observe it as it has already happened by tracking all the events of your different systems
i believe that observing events and not betting on them waiting to develope ,doesnt make them less worthy than if we were betting on them
Hello Lanky Mate,
Would you be kind enough to advise us on how to use your 6 point divisor on this one? We are ready to learn from you and start testing on B&M casino.
Thank you very much
Regards
sniper
Quote from: sniper on March 31, 2009, 07:44:33 AM
Hello Lanky Mate,
Would you be kind enough to advise us on how to use your 6 point divisor on this one? We are ready to learn from you and start testing on B&M casino.
Thank you very much
Regards
sniper
Hi Champion.
Mate I may have to tweak a thing or two first to make all this gel together.
I would rather You waited a day or so until I give this thing a run and settle on what I think is the safest way to play it Mate.
So I will do an example Playing the Divisor in a non aggressive way.On The Single Dozen part for You.
Like I normally would bet the single Dozens Like this.
1 1 1 2=5
or
1 1 2 2=6
whichever way it all adds up to a loss of 5 or 6 then I would add that to a win target of 6 without taking the Zero pocket or the Zero so it would look like this then=6/12=2
So on an 12 loss bet sequence it would look like this in total
1 1 1 2=5 or 1 1 2 2=6<<Add this 6 to a Win target of 6=12 << and divide that by a Divisor of 6
Like this
6/12=2=14
6/14=3=17
6/17=3=20
6/20=4=24 << now 4 lost bets in a row up goes the Divisor to 7
7/24=4=28
7/28=4=32
7/32=5=37
7/37=6=43 << another 4 lost bets in a row so up goes the divisor to 8
Thats 12 lost bets in a row
Now we get some wins
8/43=6=49 Win- less 18 back=31 <<Bet Won so down to 7 with Divisor
7/31=5=36 Win- less 15 back=21 << bet Won so down to 6 with the divisor
6/21=4=25 Win- less 12 back=13 << bet won so down to 5 with the Divisor
5/13=3=16 Win- less 9 back=7 << bet won so down to 4 with the divisor
4/7=2=9 Win- less 6 back=3-6 win target= +[3} Profit.
5 wins in 17 bets =29% Win strike rate.
..........................................................................
Lets now do the exact same thing in a slightly more agressive (medium way)
1 1 1 2=5 or 1 1 2 2=6<<Add this 6 to a Win target of 6=12 << and divide that by a Divisor of 6
Like this
6/12=2=14
6/14=3=17
6/17=3=20
6/20=4=24 << now 4 lost bets in a row up goes the Divisor to 7
7/24=4=28
7/28=4=32
7/32=5=37
7/37=6=43 << another 4 lost bets in a row so up goes the divisor to 8
Thats 12 lost bets in a row
Now we get some wins
8/43=6=49 Win-less 18 back=31 <<Divisor drops by >>2<< this time
6/31=6=37 Win-less 18 back=19 << Divisor Down 2 again to 4
4/19=5=24 Win-less 15 back=9 << Divisor down to 2 << bring in Safety brake of 2/3 Like this
2/9+
2/3
.........
4/12 >>win target is now [9]
4/12=3=15 Win-less 9 back=6-9 win target= +[3} Profit
4 wins in 16 bets = 25% Win strike Rate.
As You can see Mate I have to do some adjusting.
I would prefer You waited a little mate.
By all means get some practise in doing it both ways ......but things may change a little thats all.
Of Course I can go up a couple of gears yet with Divisor to make it a lot more aggressive.
But its My job to make it as safe as I can for You Mate.
Good On-Ya Mate
Lanky.
Thank you Lanky Mate.
We will surely wait for your brilliant guidance before we start attacking.
We have fullest confident in your Divisor. You are my Hope and my Mentor.
Regards
sniper
I love single dozens betting. I've only lost once, out of a dozen or so trips, betting similar to this.
Ron.
Hi Forum.
I will post this ,it might go all over the place when posted but I don't know much about computers.
Like all new systems ,You run into things You don't expect when actually playing them.
This is a very Important part that has to be known about this
method.
And VICTOR is the one that can tell us the correct answer.
Now D1: 1-2-3-4 <<trigger & bet..
Now if it goes 4-W<<then its not counted going forward as it would be a repeat.
But what about this....4-L-W or 4-L-L-W ???
Is the restart counted from the Win Bet because of the Gap/s ????
In other words if there is a Gap of 1 or 2 between the Win bet is the W also counted as 1 ????
That's a very Important point to know.
What I did in this case was to start the recount AFTER the Won Bet.
I could have been wrong but that's what I did this time.
This System would be able to be played a lot better using a Bot.
As I Assume everything would be done as soon as the result was known and it would tell You in a Nano second what & where to Bet.
There would also be more time on most Real Tables to get the preparation right in most case as it would be longer time wise to the next call of (No More Bets).
However I decided to test it on Air-Ball Roulette because that keeps Me in training for the Rapid Roulette Tables at Star City in Sydney that give You about the Same time to place Your bets , somewhere between 30 to 35 seconds.
Victors Friend must be very clever to do this all at once.
Now as soon as I filled the card out the way I wanted it I saw there would be a Problem in the small space of time I had each spin.
Like this
Number..D1-D2-D3....C1-C2-C3 = 7 things that has to be done BEFORE I had a Bet.
Now what happens if there is 2 bets at the same time = 9
What if there was more ??? And at one time there was.
So I decided to Play them as only 2 separate Bets.
The Dozens and the Columns.
0D-1-2-3--1-2-3
14-x-1-x--x-1-x
36-x-1-1--x-1-1
08-1-1-1--x-2-1
12-R-1-1--x-2-2
05-R-1-1--x-3-2
33-x-1-2--x-3-3
22-x-1-2--1-3-3
20-x-R-2--1-R-3
19-x-R-2--2-x-3
12-1-x-2--2-x-4 >>Bet C3-Lw
02-R-x-2--2-1-L
24-x-1-2--2-1-W
07-1-x-2—3-1-x
09-R-x-2—3-1-1
34-x-x-3—4-1-1 Bet C1-Lw
30-x-x-R—L-1-2
10-1-x-x—w-1-2
34-1-x-1—R-1-2
30-1-x-R—x-1-3
18-1-1-x—x-1-R
16-1-R-x—1-1-x
21-1-R-x—1-1-1
02-2-x-x—1-2-1
21-2-1-x—1-2-2
23-2-R-x—1-3-2
03-3-x-x—1-3-3
36-3-x-1—1-3-R
34-3-x-R—2-3-x
03-4-x-x—2-3-1 >>D1-w
02-w-x-x—2-4-1>> Bet C2-LLL
22-x-1-x—3-L-1
28-x-1-1—R-L-1
03-1-1-1—x-L-2
21-1-2-1—x-x-R
15-1-R-1—x-x-R
24-1-R-1—x-x-R
01-2-x-1—1-x-x
24-2-1-1—1-x-1
18-2-R-1—1-x-R
13-2-R-1—2-x-x
14-2-R-1—2-1-x
30-2-x-2—2-1-1
20-2-1-2—2-2-1
19-2-R-2—3-2-1
09-3-x-2—3-2-2
07-R-x-2—4-2-2 >>Bet C1-LLL
09-R-x-2—L-2-3
26-x-x-3—L-3-3
11-1-x-3—L-R-3
35-1-x-4—x-R-3 >>Bet D3-LLL
09-2-x-L—x-x-4 >>Bet C3-Lw
01-R-x-L—1-x-L
21-x-1-L—1-x-W
20-x-R-x—1-1-x
09-1-x-x—1-1-1
12-R-x-x—1-1-R
15-x-1-x—1-1-R
35-x-1-1—1-2-x
30-x-1-R—1-2-1
07-1-1-x—2-2-1
32-1-1-1—2-3-1
25-1-1-R—3-3-1
28-1-1-R—R-3-1
27-1-1-R—x-3-2
29-1-1-R—x-4-2 >>Bet C2-LoLL
31-1-1-R—1-L-2
00-o-o-o—o-o-o
27-1-1-R—1-L-3
06-2-1-x—1-L-R
35-2-1-1—1-1-x
02-3-1-1—1-R-x
09-R-1-1—1-x-1
00-o-o-o—o-o-o
21-x-2-1—1-x-R
02-1-2-1—1-1-x
25-1-2-2—2-1-x
20-1-3-2—2-2-x
14-1-R-2—2-R-x
36-1-x-3—2-x-1
20-1-1-3—2-1-1
25-1-1-4—3-1-1 >>Bet D3-LLL
09-2-1-L—3-1-2
23-2-2-L—3-2-2
04-3-2-L—4-2-2 >>Bet C1-w
01-R-2-x—w-2-2
07-R-2-x—R-2-2
00-o-o-o—o-o-o
30-x-2-1—x-2-3
Lunch Break
26-x-x-1—x-1-x
15-x-1-1—x-1-1
02-1-1-1—x-2-1
12-R-1-1—x-2-2
27-x-1-2—x-2-R
28-x-1-R—1-2-x
16-x-2-x—R-2-x
27-x-2-1—x-2-1
09-1-2-1—x-2-R
10-R-2-1—1-2-x
33-x-2-2—1-2- 1
00-o-o-o—o-o-o
29-x-2-R—1-3-1
14-x-3-x—1-R-1
17-x-R-x—1-R-1
02-1-x-x—1-R-1
03-R-x-x—1-x-2
14-x-1-x—1-1-2
26-x-1-1—1-R-2
03-1-1-1—1-x-3
17-1-2-1—1-1-3
22-1-R-1—2-1-3
35-1-x-2—2-2-3
19-1-1-2—3-2-3
32-1-1-3—3-3-3
01-2-1-3—4-3-3 >>Bet C1-oLLL
00-o-o-o—o-o-o
15-2-2-3—L-3-4 >>Bet C3-LLL
02-3-2-3—L-4-L >>Bet C2-w
23-3-3-3—L-w-L
13-3-R-3—1-x-L
35-3-x-4—1-1-x >>Bet D3-w
25-3-x-w—2-1-x
28-3-x-R—R-1-x
14-3-1-x—x-2-x
31-3-1-1—1-2-x
15-3-2-1—1-2-1
04-4-2-1—2-2-1 >>Bet D1-LLL
25-L-2-2—R-2-1
16-L-3-2—R-2-1
19-L-R-2—R-2-1
31-x-x-3—R-2-1
23-x-1-3—1-3-1
18-x-R-3—1-3-2
10-1-x-3—2-3-2
15-1-1-3—2-3-3
12-2-1-3—2-3-R
20-2-2-3—2-4-x >>Bet C2-w
05-3-2-3—2-w-x
16-3-3-3—3-x-x
26-3-3-4—3-1-x >>Bet D3-LLL
11-4-3-L—3-R-x >>Bet D1-w
12-w-3-L—3-x-1
23-x-4-L—3-1-1 >>Bet D2-Lw
04-1-L-x—4-1-1 >>Bet C1-LoLL
21-1-w-x—L-1-2
00-o-o-o—o-o-o
23-1-R-x—L-2-2
02-2-x-x—L-R-2
33-2-x-1—x-x-3
17-2-1-1—x-1-3
05-3-1-1—x-R-3
10-R-1-1—1-x-3
12-R-1-1—1-x-4 >>Bet C4-w
36-x-1-2—1-x-w
17-x-2-2—1-1-x
23-x-R-2—1-R-x
28-x-x-3—2-x-x
24-x-1-3—2-x-1
24-x-R-3—2-x-R
17-x-R-3—2-1-x
25-x-x-4—3-1-x >>Bet D3-w
29-x-x-w—3-2-x
D=w-LLL-LLL-w-LLL-L(wL)-Lw-w
Dozens=5 Wins in 17 Bets=29.4% Win Strike Rate.
C= Lw-Lw-LLL-LLL-Lw-LoLL-w-oL(LL)(LwL)L-w-LoLL-w
Columns=7 wins in 31 Bets=22.6% Win Strike Rate.
I will do the Betting Later as I have spent a lot of time on this post and if anyone is still awake ,they can see this post is long enough now.
Here are some Extra Numbers that came after I stopped If anyone needs them.
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Lanky.
Hi Guys.
The Betting on this Method went like this.
The Zero Pocket Bets of Zero –1- 2 –3 are in Brackets.
Dozens
D1
(02)-W-6/7=2+1=10 Won/Won Zp-less 6+9=15 back-10=5+7={12} Profit
D3
09-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost
(1)-L-6/10=2+1=13 Lost/Won Zp –9 back =4 –7=3+12={15} Total Profit
21-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost
D3
09-L-6/10=2+1=13 Lost
23-L-6/13=3+1=17 Lost
04-L-6/17=3+1=21 Lost >>Div up to 7
Lunch
D3
25-W-7/21=3+1=24 Won-9 Back =13 >>Div down to 6
D1
25-L-6/13=3+1=17 Lost
16-L-6/17=3+1=21 Lost
19-L-6/21=4+1=26 Lost
D3
11-L-6/26=5+1=32 Lost >>Div up 7
D3-D1 << 2 Bets Here
12-L-W-7/32=10+2=44 Won-15 Back=29 >>Div to 6
D3
23-L-6/29=5+1=35 Lost
D2
04-L-6/35=6+1=42 Lost
21-W-6/42=7+1=50 Won-21 back=29 >>Div to 5
D3
25-W-5/29=5+1=35 Won-15 back=20-7 win target =13 Less15 Profit=
Overall Profit +{2}
Dozens 5 Wins from 17 Bets =29.4%= Overall Profit +{2} On the Dozens
Columns
C3
(2)-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost/Won-9 Back Zp=1-6={5} Profit
24-W-6/7=2+1=10 Won-6back=4-7=+3+5={8} Profit
C1
30-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost
10-W-6/10=2+1=13 Won-6=7-7 win Target=Even & a carry over Profit of {8}
C2
22-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost
28-L-6/10=2+1=13 Lost
(3)-L-6/13=3+1=17 Lost/Won Zp-9 back=8
C1
09-L-6/8=2+1=11 Lost >>Div to 7
26-L-7/11=2+1=14 Lost
11-L-7/14=3+1=18 Lost
C3
(1)-L-7/18=3+1=22 Lost/Won Zp-9 back =13
21-W-7/13=2+1=16 Won-6 back=10 >>Div to 6
C2
31-L-6/10=2+1=13 Lost
(0)-L-6/13=3+1=17 Lost/Won Zp-9 back=8
27-L-6/8=2+1=11 Lost
06-L-6/11=2+1=14 Lost >>Div 7
C1
(1)-W-7/14=2+1=17 Won/Won Zp-15 back=2-7=5+8={13} Total Profit Div to 6
Lunch
C1
(0)-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost/Won Zp-9 back=1-7=+6+13={19} Total Profit
15-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost
C1 & C3 <<2 Bets Here
(2)-L-L-6/10=4+2=16 Lost/Won Zp-18 back=+2+6=8+19={27} T/Profit
C1-C2 & C3 << 3 Bets here
23-LwL-6/7=6+3=16 Lost Won Lost-6 back=10
C3
13-L-6/10=2+1=13 Lost
C2
05-W-6/13=3+1=17 Won-9 back=8 >>Div to 5
C1
21-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost
(0)-L-6/10=2+1=13 Lost/Won Zp-9 Back=4-7=+3+27={30} T/Profit
23-L-6/7=2+1=10 Lost
(2)-L-6/10=2+1=13 Lost/Won Zp-9 back=4-7=+3+30={33} T/Profit
C3
36-W-6/7=2+1=10 Won-6 back=4-7=+3+33={36} Total Profit
Columns 7 Wins from 31 bets = 22.6%=Overall Profit {36}
Summary.
I won 2 On the dozens and 36 on the Columns= a Profit of {38}.
Now I may have messed things up somewhere on this post.
But +38 was what I did Win on the day if it should have been more then Bad Luck for me because that's all I won.
.
Overall there were 17+31=48 Bets
Overall there were 05+07=12 Wins
That's a Win strike Rate of 25% on All Bets.
I had 48 bets on the Zero Pocket and Won 11 of them.
That's 48 out and –99 back= a profit of 51.
Yet I only Won +38 Overall Playing the Method.
Something I did notice was that on this occasion was the Zero never hit while playing the Dozens with this Method.
Yet it hit 3 Times while playing the Columns.
Its just an observation on My part that's all.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky
What is your gut feel on this method would those same numbers you play been better using the LW on the 2 dozens
Is it simpler to play or is there more betting action
Regards To you Lanky and all others
Rodney
Hi Lanky.
I have one question.
What was for lunch?
Ron.
I hate when I get hungry while betting.
Quote from: Natural9 on April 03, 2009, 09:03:48 AM
Hi Lanky
What is your gut feel on this method would those same numbers you play been better using the LW on the 2 dozens
Is it simpler to play or is there more betting action
Regards To you Lanky and all others
Rodney
Hi Mate.
That's a hard question to answer at the Moment Mate because there has only been one test that I have done for Real money so far.
At a I guess I would say play the Lw's on the Dozen and this Method on the Columns.....Maybe that would work better for Me.
There is a Lot to do when it comes time to bet Mate especially if there is more then 2 betting options at the one time....You feel like an Octopus.
I was interested in Two things that came out of it though Mate....
1-It was Air-Ball
2- The Zeros hit 3 times while playing this on the columns.
That's a decent Hint for You Rodney that there MAY be something worth testing My Friend. ;)
Good On Ya Mate.
Lanky.
Quote from: hoper35 on April 04, 2009, 12:29:18 AM
Hi Lanky.
I have one question.
What was for lunch?
Ron.
I hate when I get hungry while betting.
Hi Mate.
Actually it was Half a Lobster (small size) and a Glass of Chardonnay each.
We were heavily Comped Mate because of our Membership there and it all came to $22..for The Lot.
The Bloody wine is $5 a Glass so it was a good deal for us to pay only $22 all up.
Good on Ya Ron.
Lanky.
G'day Lanky,
2 times half a lobster & drinks for $22 sounds like GREAT value,
though last time I ate like that, I found the company I had even BETTER value!
Glenn.
@Victor.
Mate could You answer this Question for Me please.
QuoteAnd VICTOR is the one that can tell us the correct answer.
Now D1: 1-2-3-4 <<trigger & bet..
Now if it goes 4-W<<then its not counted going forward as it would be a repeat.
But what about this....4-L-W or 4-L-L-W
Is the restart counted from the Win Bet because of the Gap/s ?
In other words if there is a Gap of 1 or 2 between the Win bet is the W also counted as 1 ?
That's a very Important point to know.
Lanky.
Lionel, sorry for the big delay my brother I am in 1000 things. Both online and in my "offline" day-to-day life.
Just went yesterday to the casino with dealer friend at night, 9:30pm and went home past 2 a.m. enough hours at the same seat (some days I fear I'll need a spatula to separate my butcheeks when session finish ;D) and well, dealer friend won yet again with his methodology. I wasn't playing the same table so I didn't witness his tracking in full, only a while at the beginning and he was too concentrated and I didn't want to ask. I did comment on you and the forum liking this which he enjoyed.
We only got together to commute to the casino and then there we took separate ways to different tables. He is increasingly liking the automated wheels while I'm more reacious to letting those alfa street machines get some teeth on my gambling money. I like this particular casino's manual wheel as it has shallow pockets and therefore not much ball scatter which serve well for a disc-based automated grind I'm trying regarding zones & repeats, depending on the outcome of these real results I may or may not tweak it before posting it at sponsors' area. When betting physical approaches I like a human dealer spinning the ball and placing myself at the table with the best conditions I.e. shallow pockets disc, etc...
Geez got carried away writing, to your question Lionel: "Is the restart counted from the Win Bet because of the Gap/s ?"
Any time you have a "betting event" finished you restart, you don't reuse past spins, you retrack fresh after latest successful attack. Always remembering to "letting it go" past the attack zone.
If it goes over and over you guys know the professional way is for us to avoid getting stubborn as in "it can't go past X or Y" or "Now it must hit as I haven't seen that many of...". Pride yourself of patience, wait for the "negative clumping" to pass by and then track a new event fresh.
Losing scenario:
I.e.
1
1
2 <- first repeat.
3 <- 2nd repeat.
4 <- 3rd repeat = Trigger enabled.
2 <- Attack
2 <- Attack
5 <- no bet, just patience...
2 <- no bet, just patience...
1 <- finished the "neative clump", you just forget about this, keep tracking and aim for a new event.
Imagine the same, but at a winning scenario:
1
1
2 <- first repeat.
3 <- 2nd repeat.
4 <- 3rd repeat = Trigger enabled.
2 <- Attack
1 <- Win. Trigger lead to success, attack successfullly ended.
Likewise you forget anything else about this one, restart your tracking and wait for new trigger conditions.
BTW, for this one I prefer this graphical representation better than Lw's!!!
Hope this allows you to understand a bit better mate. It is my understanding the key for his method is to be an EVENT-BASED player and just forgetting about what just passed by. Remember, this isn't my methodology but his and I see he only cares about the current / latest trigger and doesn't care about the trending on which event. He only focuses at the latest one on the spot and that's it. He has his triggers, money management, patience to wait proper time, then he bets and does his thing.
Regards.
Victor