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Started by winkel, August 20, 2008, 09:42:05 AM

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Compa

Quote from: Boo_Ray on August 31, 2008, 04:52:58 PM
compa, look at the graphs and program. In program you can se apearences and at the graph you can see crossings.
imagine that when 12-11 becomes 11-12 the lines cross. just check the very first post and you will see, try not to use program and chart for your self, you will get picture and notice that it is realy simple logic ;)

Dear Boo. Thanks for the reply.

Here are some numbers. What do I bet?

----------------
HIT     NO HIT
----------------
27      10
36      1
25      12
4       33
19      18
16      21
3       34
11     
23      14
27      10
7       30
32      5
34      3
16      21
5       32
------------

Cheers
/Compa

Boo_Ray

you are doing it wrong

you dont check actual numbers

if 0 comes up(or any other number) the first spin that means you have 36 unhit numbers and 1 hitted...

when you have .... lets say 17unhited numbers and 16 numbers hitted once... you bet 17 unhited numbers to have crossing between hitted and unhited numbers... more spins more numbers will hit

Compa

Quote from: Boo_Ray on August 31, 2008, 06:59:10 PM
you are doing it wrong

you dont check actual numbers

if 0 comes up(or any other number) the first spin that means you have 36 unhit numbers and 1 hitted...

when you have .... lets say 17unhited numbers and 16 numbers hitted once... you bet 17 unhited numbers to have crossing between hitted and unhited numbers... more spins more numbers will hit

LOOOOOOOOOL!!! ;D

Listen GUYS!!!

If you want to present a method/system here on the Board. You MUST be comprehensive. Roulette is about Numbers.

I post numbers and I am told this is not about numbers. A full presentation, if want to make it Public, includes a step-by-step explanation and a comprehensive walktrough of the Idea. Remember that our brains are constructed differently.

So: 36+0 numbers = 37 numbers. When 24 numbers hit and 13 did not, bet these 13 numbers. Dead simple, if this is the case. Whats the need of 19 pages of "How do we do this" ?????????

Thanks
/Compa

Boo_Ray

Quote from: Compa on August 31, 2008, 07:09:04 PM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on August 31, 2008, 06:59:10 PM
you are doing it wrong

you dont check actual numbers

if 0 comes up(or any other number) the first spin that means you have 36 unhit numbers and 1 hitted...

when you have .... lets say 17unhited numbers and 16 numbers hitted once... you bet 17 unhited numbers to have crossing between hitted and unhited numbers... more spins more numbers will hit

LOOOOOOOOOL!!! ;D

Listen GUYS!!!

If you want to present a method/system here on the Board. You MUST be comprehensive. Roulette is about Numbers.

I post numbers and I am told this is not about numbers. A full presentation, if want to make it Public, includes a step-by-step explanation and a comprehensive walktrough of the Idea. Remember that our brains are constructed differently.

Thanks
/Compa

our brains sure are diferent :) I will go to bed now I think I didnt got it what you are trying to say :)

Natural9

Quote from: Compa on August 31, 2008, 07:09:04 PM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on August 31, 2008, 06:59:10 PM
you are doing it wrong

you dont check actual numbers

if 0 comes up(or any other number) the first spin that means you have 36 unhit numbers and 1 hitted...

when you have .... lets say 17unhited numbers and 16 numbers hitted once... you bet 17 unhited numbers to have crossing between hitted and unhited numbers... more spins more numbers will hit

LOOOOOOOOOL!!! ;D

Listen GUYS!!!

If you want to present a method/system here on the Board. You MUST be comprehensive. Roulette is about Numbers.

I post numbers and I am told this is not about numbers. A full presentation, if want to make it Public, includes a step-by-step explanation and a comprehensive walktrough of the Idea. Remember that our brains are constructed differently.

So: 36+0 numbers = 37 numbers. When 24 numbers hit and 13 did not, bet these 13 numbers. Dead simple, if this is the case. Whats the need of 19 pages of "How do we do this" ?????????

Thanks
/Compa

You need to chart the numbers as they hit you have crossing over columns and thats where the bet is

I find hard keep track of numbers that hit because you always backtracking after each spin to wsee if number has hit 1 ,2 or 3 or more times

The spreadsheet should handle that good tho

Regards Rodney

bjb007

winkel

I fell about laughing when I read your joke
about whether I could read English.

English is my native language so I read it
very well (and write it and speak it too) so
that's not the problem.

I think the the "problem" is that you believe
your posts are written in English (which is
obviously not your native tongue) when
they are in fact in a language of your own
invention.

For example "permanences" is not a word in the
English language.  Nor is "appeare", nor is "did't"
just to give a few examples.

Quote0 - 1 (numbers did´t appeare and numbers appeared "once") also called "0" or "R" and N or "1"

Why have two ways of indicating hit or unhit numbers?
One is enough.  Why not "H" for hit and "U" for unhit?

Perhaps the saying that "A German joke is no laughing matter"
applies here.




madupz4

Quote from: winkel on August 31, 2008, 06:12:18 PM
Hi madupz,

My answer to this will sound crazy:

any decision you make at this point can be wrong or can be right.
Simply: I don´t know it. Just go through.
If I knew it I would be a magician.

br
winkel

Winkel,

If someone doesn't know what is best to do at this critical point which happens quite often, then how can someone be successfull using this system?   It's almost like it's left up to chance or the flip of a coin, there is no clear cut directions on what exaclty to do?  I'm not sure if after 2 consecutive losses if I should keep going trying to recoup my losses, or if I should start over and retrack, I do not know what is the best route to take.  I have tried both ways and both ways did not produce very positive results.

winkel

Quote from: madupz4 on August 31, 2008, 09:36:51 PM
Winkel,
If someone doesn't know what is best to do at this critical point which happens quite often, then how can someone be successfull using this system?   It's almost like it's left up to chance or the flip of a coin, there is no clear cut directions on what exaclty to do?  I'm not sure if after 2 consecutive losses if I should keep going trying to recoup my losses, or if I should start over and retrack, I do not know what is the best route to take.  I have tried both ways and both ways did not produce very positive results.

Hi madupz,

I think my English isn´t good enough to explain this, but I try:

It is law of probabilities that if we play constantly a certain amount of numbers we will have a hit in x/37 or in your example in 17/37 or 49.95%, which leads us to loose the amount of the house-edge.

Why does this system win?
we don´t play constantly 17 numbers. sometimes we play 15 or 13 or even 10 numbers.
we don´t play constantly. Only if there is a crossing in sight.
If there is a crossing the probability of success is higher than in a constant bet.
I cannot express this in a percentage.

The reason is in this:
If we have 37 spins, sometimes there only 15 numbers hit or 33 numbers hit. these are the extreme edges of statistics.

If we have only 15 numbers that hit, we will have many repeaters and we will only find the crossing in 19-18
If we have 33 numbers that hit, we will also only have this crossing.

Only if the progression follows nearly the way of the binomial distribution we will find crossings to bet. and as we do that, we will win, because the crossings have to cross, otherwise the numbers are not following the binomial distribution.

I hope you can get what I mean.

br
winkel




winkel

Quote from: bjb007 on August 31, 2008, 09:09:35 PM
Quote0 - 1 (numbers did´t appeare and numbers appeared "once") also called "0" or "R" and N or "1"

Why have two ways of indicating hit or unhit numbers?
One is enough.  Why not "H" for hit and "U" for unhit?

Now you found that my personal abilities to speak your language proof that my strategy is worth nothing! Congratulations!

To your question: all my statistics and tools are written with the german abbreviations R N F
R = Restanten =sleepers = unhit numbers = "0"
N = Normalos = numbers came once = "1"
F = Favoriten = numbers that hit more than once = ">1"
that´s the origin.

As we Germans try to learn other languages and try to get in discussion with native English-speakers they themselves think they are the Best of the world and don´t need to learn other languages. so they have the Right to laugh about us Germans, but we know we´ve invented nearly everything that made the world progress.


Lohnro

Let's not let this get racist fellas!

It does not matter where we come from, we are all battling the same enemy. The roulette wheel.

winkel has been kind enough to share his system and has explained it well enough for anybody to play if they care to read and do some tests themselves!

bjb007

winkel

Wasn't trying to deprecate your way
of using the English language but pointing
out that it's by no means "Standard English"
so the blame for not understanding isn't
entirely mine.

My numerous attempts to learn another
language over the past 50 years have all
ended in failure although I did find a few words
of BBC German very useful in 1973.

"Zwie grosse bier, bitte" on a very hot day
in Frankfurt after a tiring coach journed of
nine hours was the pinnacle of my linguistic
adventures.

Anyway, for ingoramuses like me perhaps it would
be useful to provide the meanings of the words
which need expanation for us "foreigners".

madupz4

Winkel,

It's all starting to come together for me now, almost like "I can see the light!"  I re-read all of your postings and hints and caught things that are very important that I missed the first few times around.  Before tonight I was losing at playing your system, then other times I would win and lose and not be able to gain any ground.  Tonight I won and won and won and never looked back!  I played for 35 minutes and I was up over $145 using $1.00 bets.  I only lost 4 times but 3 of those times I recovered on the very next spin.  Your right when you say this system protects your bankroll!  I earned $145.00 in 35 minutes of work, imagine if I was playing $5.00 chips....I would be up $725, NOT bad for FLAT betting with NO progression!

What really turned my success around was using all 4 of these triggers:
0 vs 1
1 vs >1
0 vs >1
1 vs 2

Before I was only using 0 vs 1, and sometimes 1 vs >1, but by paying attention and using the software it was easy to find all 4 triggers.  My first trigger was always 0 vs. 1 followed by 0 vs. >1, followed by 1 vs. 1, followed by 1 vs. 2.  Then I would reset and track 37 new numbers and start the process all over again.  I will keep testing and let you know my progress!



Natural9

Could someone do these numbers for me not sure I got it right yet

24
17
36
4
11
19
33
9
11
4
20
17
0
31
1
4
3
34
30
7
14
28
13
21
4
30
7
24
26
35
29
36
36
0
36
20
33
9
31
7
5
19
34
36
28
23
20
13
28
5


Regards Rodney

Tucktuckster

Winkel,

Here are some of my thoughts based arouns the testing that I have done. Please can you comment on these situations and how you handle.

1) If the 0 v 1 crossing is before spin 25 - It is very dangerous to play. I think maybe best not to.

2) If the 1 v >1 crossing flashes before 0 v 1 - I tend not to play because this is not a normal situation. Often it fails. However - if it continues to appear as a signal it tends to win on 3rd or 4th signal?

3) How do you handle situations where the 0 is 13 and the 1 is 13 and a 1 lands? Does this become a new signal or is it still 2 plays and stop. example below

13 v 13 Signal and bet.
loses as a 1 lands
13 v 12 signal and bet.
loses asa >1 lands.

Is this 2 losses and stop? or do you bet on since you have only had 1 loss at signal 13 v12.

4) In instances where the 0 v 1 crossing is very late - ie 13 v 13 is first flash and it is late on spin 40 or so - i have found results quite poor since numbers >1 seem to be repeating. do you still play or not?

5) If you get a situation after spin 37, where 0 is 14 and 1 is say 15. Then after spin 44 0 is still 14 and 1 falls to 14- you have a signal to bet. it wins. spin 45 becomes 13 for 0 and 15 for 1's. In my experience after such a run of no hits in 0, they tend to hit again. would you replay the 13 expecting another hit?

6) If the 1 v >1 crosses early on - say spin 20 before any other crossing - i will wait and see what happens. If the 1 v >1 runs away and starts being silly such as this
0   1   >1

16  7   14

then i tend to restart

however - if the 1 v >1 is crossed but then corrects - i tend to carry on tracking to see where 0 v 1 is going to cross. If it is around spin 25 to 35, then i proceed and play. is this okay?


Compa

Quote
You need to chart the numbers as they hit you have crossing over columns and thats where the bet is

Hi. Please clearify and define this statment. I do not understand the content of it. "Crossing" over columns??
It seems that my mainproblem is the understandment of the term "Crossing". When does the numbers cross. And where?

!8 numbers hit, 19 did not at this point. Do i bet 19 numbers here?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Below is a sketch of a situation i have:

THE WHEEL

2 3   6   9  11 12                <--------------19 Unhit Numbers at this Point.
13 14  17  20 21   24
25  27  29  31 32 33 34

-----------------------------------------------

HIT     UNHIT    HIT TWICE     HIT THREE TIMES   <-----Hitrate so far
-----------------------------------------------
26                     
18       19
8
16       21
5         32
28       3
26                     26
4        33
7        30
1        36
23      14
22       
19                     19,18
35       2
30                     30
36       
15
7                       7
10       27
23                     23

---------------------------19 unhit numbers at here


cheers
/Compa

Compa

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