FINDING A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET

[HansHuckebein]

same procedure as last year, miss sophie? here we all go again. 

talking about randomness, has any of you guys read what ion saliu says about randomness? and what do you think of his ideas?

[win3milion@inmydreams.com]

Hi everyone,

some days ago I found by accident a thread opened by the user "iboba" in rouletteforum.  net,by the name "constant winning neighbour" - He was talking about a Dutch guy visiting Croatia who apparentely was winning constantly for almost 13 nights straight in a casino over there.   It looks like that the basic principle of his bet was to play with even chances in this way:

Bet Black&Even,if either one of the two hits,bet the Red&Odd and viceversa.   FLAT BET ONLY

I tested this system with 500 hundreds spins,mainly from Dublinbet and Spielbank but It doesn't win too much.  .  It looks like that is stable though,and always (even if very very slightly) in profit.   Perhaps we should look for a bet in a bet like CEH states in his website?
It would be great if anyone could code this in RX and test it for thousands of spins

cheers

[Demon of Randomness]

Why CEH intrigued us so much?

First of all he managed to break the chain of stereotypes which other fake holy grails had to offer.  His super bet is free,
well almost free.  It is true that on internet there are many free red haring systems from online casinos affiliates.  Oldest
systems like martingale became unholy grails for greedy punters.  CEH isn't one of them for sure, cause he turning away people from online casinos and even landbased-ones if they are not skilled players.  The price of his bet is brainstorming.  It's known fact when man puts effort into something by himself he appreciates the result more.  This specific way of presenting the bet is like a commercial for selected few.  Websites for casinos are so nice and colorful and CEH's Website is sooo ugly.  Don't judge book by it's covers.  Carnivorous plant is also colorful.  That aspect should turn away superficial people who are like crows chasing only shiny things.  Puzzle that hides the bet is obstacle for lazy, impatient people that don't want to think and learn.  Guy really knows the game.  For most members here his tips were not eureka moments.  But ask yourself: "How did you know about roulette before learning from this and other forums, from fast roulette testing software, online spin archives?".  Even after having all that modern things I learned few things on CEH's site, like useful MM method and way to look randomness.

So enough about my personal reasons for ressurecting this beauty of a thread.  Even if we don't succeed in finding consistent winning bet we will learn more about the game and maybe find CEH's bet only to prove that it is typical tanker (and also to prove that CEH is liar or luckiest son of a b. . .  on earth).  At least our curiosity will bi cured.

When i read what i wrote i look like some kind of cultist worshiper of CEH.  "Children of Charles" - most powerful gambling cult.  LOL Join me my brethren. . . .   

[Demon of Randomness]

same procedure as last year, miss sophie? here we all go again.  

talking about randomness, has any of you guys read what ion saliu says about randomness? and what do you think of his ideas?

Then it means that history is repeating.  If that is true beating the game is piece of cake.   

Thanx for the tip mate, i could look into that.  I find that is very hard do define what randomness is because it is very
abstract term.  My friend physicist tells me that randomness doesn't even exists.  I recon that it is easier to find out what it does then what it is.  That is why i am gonna post later about method and type of research we should conduct here.

Cheers

[f-rl-player]

When I read what I wrote I look like some kind of cultist worshiper of CEH.  "Children of Charles" - most powerful gambling cult.  LOL Join me my brethren. . . .  

he's keep calling you,vls member:stupid,freake,idiot,fool,nutter,Very Lonely Sucker....on his website.What do you think about that?

[f-rl-player]

I've to admit that he gave us very tru,sound advises like:if you want consistenly win,you must win more than lose. .1+1=2. It's very great!
I'm sorry to distract you guys from the spirit of this thread

[HansHuckebein]

Hi everyone,

some days ago I found by accident a thread opened by the user "iboba" in rouletteforum.  net,by the name "constant winning neighbour" - He was talking about a Dutch guy visiting Croatia who apparentely was winning constantly for almost 13 nights straight in a casino over there.   It looks like that the basic principle of his bet was to play with even chances in this way:

Bet Black&Even,if either one of the two hits,bet the Red&Odd and viceversa.   FLAT BET ONLY

I tested this system with 500 hundreds spins,mainly from Dublinbet and Spielbank but It doesn't win too much.  .  It looks like that is stable though,and always (even if very very slightly) in profit.   Perhaps we should look for a bet in a bet like CEH states in his website?
It would be great if anyone could code this in RX and test it for thousands of spins

cheers

I wonder why he used black/even and red/odd?  Using black/ odd and red/even would cover more numbers. Where is the advantage? Is this what CEH meant when he wrote about "something that should happen more often but doesn't"?

[win3milion@inmydreams.com]

You cover more winning numbers by betting R/O or B/E cause there are 10 red odds out of 18 reds,and 10 black&even out of a total of 18 blacks

[ikarianman]

there is no math solution to beat the table,because the table has not mathematical flaw...
i like to be devils advocate

[Demon of Randomness]

Now something about the method of research i propose.

If we want to be professional players (winners) we should use professional methods of research. 

1) Hypothesis
2) Collection of data
3) Data analyzing
4) Proving or disproving the hypothesis

If the hypothesis is true than next steps are

5) Finding a best way to exploit hypothesis
6) Testing
7) Conclusion

[Demon of Randomness]

1) Hypothesis - We assume that randomness has certain law, rule, pattern, "something that happens a lot less than it should", reason behind the success of the bet.

2) Collection of data - Based on hypothesis, subject of our research should be randomness.  So only data we can gather are past results, strings of consecutive spun numbers, in short - the spins.  Remember, we are not analyzing physical characteristics of wheel, just results.  How big the data sample should be? My opinion is that CEH's example for testing  should be enough - 30 sessions (chops) of 100 spins.  "3000 spins is too small sample for serious testing!" - you say.  Sure - bigger the better (ladies would agree on this  ) but, we are not testing anything (yet) just trying to figure out law/rule/pattern, second consistent winning bet should show positive bankroll at the end of almost every (29 out of 30 by CEH) session of 100 spins.  If we spot something interesting in 30 sessions it's easy to analyze 30 more to be positive but if we fail to find anything within first 30 chops then there is pointless to analyze more.  Sample must be representative as possible.  That means: REAL consecutive wheel spins and from more different wheels/casinos.  That way we are able to avoid unnatural RNG algorithms and biased wheels.  I think that dealer change during the session should not matter as long it's the same table.

And now something crucial!!! This research should be serious thus well ORGANIZED!!! We should work as a team not like group of individuals (which is common way how forums work)! We should use SAME METHOD on SAME SAMPLE in reaching SAME GOAL.  Same goal is the only thing common to all forum members (thread participents/system analyzers).  Imagine one day you walk into NASA to look how scientist work.  It just happens that they are working on new space shuttle prototype.  Every single one of them does what he thinks is the best.  One is making shuttle out of steel, the other guy out of wood, third guy's is in a shape of ball, fourth guy's looks like a plane and so on.  When someone finds something interesting colleges usually do two things.  Don't pay too much attention because it is by theirs opinion doomed on failure, inferior to progress they made, incompatible with their (closed mind) thinking.  Other group rushes to new discovery and leaves theirs own findings just to test it in it's original state but rarely tries to apply it somewhere else.  O, and there is always one guy who does nothing, usually plays with test pilot monkey (yes, he might be spanking him even    ) and just waits for others to finish the project.  Productive crew? Reminds you of a certain forum maybe?

Same sample is very important thing! All of us should analyze SAME SAMPLE OF SPINS!!! Why? Randomness has many faces, but same essential, same nature.  It is much easier to notice pattern, law, run, change if we all look the same example.  Some will spot crucial things on one end, others on another end.  Combine those two and who knows, maybe eureka moment will follow.  Spins should be from "actuals/permanences" section of forum (ones provided by trusted members), posted on the same page in "easy for all to see and look" way together with tools of the game (we will together define them later when i post about data analyzing).

Be free to comment what do you think about this method, my ideas, and do you want me to continue.

Cheers 

[HansHuckebein]

You cover more winning numbers by betting R/O or B/E cause there are 10 red odds out of 18 reds,and 10 black&even out of a total of 18 blacks

black/even = 26numbers
black/ odd = 28 numbers

[rouletteplay]

I agree demon, 3000 numbers is enough for the bet to work according to CEH so lets all look at the same sample of 3000 numbers and see what we all can see

Which sample shall we use?

[WARRIOR]

OK GUYS HERE IS SOME ENTERTAIMENT FOR YOU AND CHE, CHARLES E.H IF THE GUY WOULD GIVE YOU  HIS BET  I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ALL OF YOU WOULD FAIL WITH THE BET WHY I SAY THIS IS YOU DON'T BELIEVE, AND YOU DON'T WORK TOGETHER,1N 110 PAGES THIS SAGA CONTINUES,NOT THAT IM RELIGIOUS,BECAUSE THATS ALL BRAINWASHING.AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNERD,BUT CHRIST DID HIS SO CALLED MIRACLES AND PEOPLE 3000 YEARS LATER DO NOT BELIEVE THAT  HE DID THOSE MIRACLES.WHY BECAUSE ITS HUMAN NATURE TOBE SCEPTIC, BUT TO BE CYNICAL IS IGNORANCE,ITS THE CYNICAL IN ALL YOU GUYS THAT MAKES LIKE CHE SAYS LOSERS ,I FOR ONE HAVE TRYED THIS 2 TABLE BET MINE AND IM STILL IN PROFIT BUT ONLY ONE PERSON  THATS SNIPER TESTED IT, ALL YOU OTHER GUYS FAILED TO EVEN GIVE IT A SHOT THATS THE PROBLEM YOU EXPECT MIRACLES OR SOME ONE TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU. 2000 SPINS IM STILL IN PROFIT IS THIS  CHE BET I DON'T GIVE A sh*t IT WORKS IM MAKING MONEY  VIPER COMES OUT OF NO WHERE AND EVERY ONE FLOCKED TO THE GUY WITH HIS BOW AND ARROW STRATAGIE  EVERY ONE SAYING THERE SORRY AND ALL THIS OTHER BULLSHIT,KISSING HIS ASS BECAUSE THEY THINK HE HAD THE HG  AND IN THE END IT WAS A SECTOR SHOOTING STRATAGIE,THERE IS NOTHING NEW IN THIS GAME ,AND WHEN SOME HAVE SOMETHING THEY DON'T SHARE ,DON,T NO WHY ITS BEYOND ME,IM NOT LOOKING FOR A FAN CLUB HERE BECAUSE IN 100 YEARS THIS WONT MATTER BUT UNTILL PEOPLE HERE GET TOGETHER AND WORK ON ONE BET AT A TIME AND TEST THE BET  WE WONT GET ANY WHERE.

[rouletteplay]

Charles, if you can read the forums and manage to ignore the idiots you will see that what is left is a few good people who are not sceptical or cynical and are trying to work together to find a way to profit from roulette. We cant stop the idiots but they cant stop us, our search will go on, are you with us?

[rouletteplay]

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