FINDING A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET

[Demon of Randomness]

I agree demon, 3000 numbers is enough for the bet to work according to CEH so lets all look at the same sample of 3000 numbers and see what we all can see

Which sample shall we use?

Good to hear you agree mate! Welcome to the team! Don't be in a hurry friend.  Picking numbers is the easiest part.
If we post random numbers now in their basic state (7 15 9 33 33 26 . . . ) we won't find nothing.  We first must categorize them, give them new meaning in streams of randomness, show them as easy moves to track.  We will do that with the help of tools of the game (which are presented in table layout).  First we all must agree which tools (categories) and which combinations of tools are most useful to use.  I will elaborate later.

Oh and friend if you have spare time you can test Tino's bet which is on page 5, post #65 of this thread.
I think that consistent winning bet should look similar.  I would like to find why it does so well by studying randomness first.  There has to me some reason.

Cheers   

[Demon of Randomness]

OK GUYS HERE IS SOME ENTERTAIMENT FOR YOU AND CHE, CHARLES E. H IF THE GUY WOULD GIVE YOU  HIS BET  I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ALL OF YOU WOULD FAIL WITH THE BET WHY I SAY THIS IS YOU DON'T BELIEVE, AND YOU DON'T WORK TOGETHER,1N 110 PAGES THIS SAGA CONTINUES,NOT THAT IM RELIGIOUS,BECAUSE THATS ALL BRAINWASHING. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNERD,BUT CHRIST DID HIS SO CALLED MIRACLES AND PEOPLE 3000 YEARS LATER DO NOT BELIEVE THAT  HE DID THOSE MIRACLES. WHY BECAUSE ITS HUMAN NATURE TOBE SCEPTIC, BUT TO BE CYNICAL IS IGNORANCE,ITS THE CYNICAL IN ALL YOU GUYS THAT MAKES LIKE CHE SAYS LOSERS ,I FOR ONE HAVE TRYED THIS 2 TABLE BET MINE AND IM STILL IN PROFIT BUT ONLY ONE PERSON  THATS SNIPER TESTED IT, ALL YOU OTHER GUYS FAILED TO EVEN GIVE IT A SHOT THATS THE PROBLEM YOU EXPECT MIRACLES OR SOME ONE TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU.  2000 SPINS IM STILL IN PROFIT IS CHE BET I DON'T GIVE A sh*t IT WORKS IM MAKING MONEY  VIPER COMES OUT OF NO WHERE AND EVERY ONE FLOCKED TO THE GUY WITH HIS BOW AND ARROW STRATAGIE  EVERY ONE SAYING THERE SORRY AND ALL THIS OTHER BULLSHIT,KISSING HIS ASS BECAUSE THEY THINK HE HAD THE HG  AND IN THE END IT WAS A SECTOR SHOOTING STRATAGIE,THERE IS NOTHING NEW IN THIS GAME ,AND WHEN SOME HAVE SOMETHING THEY DON'T SHARE ,DON,T NO WHY ITS BEYOND ME,IM NOT LOOKING FOR A FAN CLUB HERE BECAUSE IN 100 YEARS THIS WONT MATTER BUT UNTILL PEOPLE HERE GET TOGETHER AND WORK ON ONE BET AT A TIME AND TEST THE BET  WE WONT GET ANY WHERE.

Hi Tino! I see that you agree with my conclusion that people on this forum are bad organized and very often pay attention only to systems that are praised to be holy grails (only by authors in most cases).  On the other hand same people stay blind for good systems and original ideas.  I think that you have something good there and that your system is unfairly underestimated.  I checked your system earlier, not tested it , just analyzed.  Your system drown my attention because it is very similar to my experimental systems for CEH's bet (difference is that i only used 1 table).  [smiley=thumbsup. gif] For me personally playing on 2 tables concept was a little hard to grasp at first, but i am open for it because it has great potential.  Only thing that bothered me was lack of explanation why that particular bet you used.  Once you answered that those lines work for you because you tested them on 2000 spins.  I would like to see further explanation because, well i guess i am just kind of guy that likes logic/reasons in systems.  I will try to fit your system in conclusions i make from analyzing randomness (if i ever find one). 

You and Sniper have my full support on testing this baby and i will recommend it to all idle, lazy and skeptical members on this thread.  Best regards Tino and stay great fighter, don't ever give up!!!

[Moccoman]

Hi Demon,

Great post. The point is, though, that you don't need to test 30 sessions of 100 spins (well not yet anyway).

What initially needs to be done is to examine just 100 spins to see what happens with "movements" randomness and "runs and changes" by coding each of the 100 spins.

CEH has said that only 1 in 30 should fail so there is only 3.33% chance of picking the bad session. I would take that risk.

Only after putting forward the variables of that 100 spin session, should testing go to the next step of the 30 sessions. Then when a variable fails (say) 3 in the first 5 sessions, it is abandoned and the next one is tested until failure, or otherwise.

If it doesn't fail over the 30 sessions then booya!!, the real testing begins.

Regards
Mocco

[The Spiders Kiss]

I agree.Lets just select our spins and start testing
TSK

[LL Church]

@Demon of Randomness
Welcome aboard, and Kudos for organizional skills.(and zealousness)
It's good to see people honestly and seriously working on this. The creme is rising to the top
@Tino
Am testing. I told you, very interesting.

Step 1. Look at the movements on the board
           -look for something that should happen more, but doesn't
Step 2. Corralate with oddities on the board.
Step 3. Look for no win/ no lose bet.
Step 4. Look for a "bet within that bet"
Step 5. Look for consistant loser that can be turned around into
            a consistant winner.(not all bets can be reversed)
Step 6. Tweak for profitability?
- I don't think he is giving clues to an exact bet. He is giving clues to find A consistant winning bet. (your own) Most likely any one of the four.
-though he says you won't find his.
Anyway, happy to help if I can
BTW. I could be wrong about the steps but, it's my perception of things

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi charles
I lost my numbers for my last test!!
Just got back from casino(Its 00:42 here) and played again.
I won 15 units in 100 spins playing one table.
Hope this helps
TSK

[WARRIOR]

demon the only logic explanation I can give on that bet selection that I tested it before I went to vegas last year I added the second table because I did not like to wait to long before going in at least 4 chops before I went in because the worst I have seen this bet lose is 13 chops on  spielbank then the other thought I had was that people win casino money but then there are others that lose so casinos are going back and forth in the win lose situation and at the end of the the day there always in profit so my thinking was use two tables, with this bet only because I tested it and no how many times it loses in the time I tested it,and also there is a break even situation ,where I don't win or lose.it goes back and forth like coin toss .and when im in profit which 10 units for me is good I get out regards Tino.ps. I could be way off on this but so far its good.   spider are you using progression with one table beacause on all my tests on it would lose flat betting thats why i added the second table so if i did use a mild progresssion i would still win  but im winning with flat bet ony i could be just lucky but its working .

[sniper]

Hello TINO,

Congratulation on your winning!!!
Despite what others think or say, we will support you 100% and will continue testing your 2 tables method. Like what I told you earlier I can only go to the B&M casino twice a month. Despite the setback I will still play your system on each trip and will report back to you. I strongly believe there is something good playing this system of yours.

Thanks & Regards

sniper

[ernesto]

Hi Tino,

There is nothing bad with your idea, but I not tested, because I can't see the reason why can win in long term when I play one random outcome against the other one.

Demon,

You said we can't found our hypothesis when we looking at the regular series of numbers.
So the first thing to convert this series to much more effecient shape?
That is the series what the wheel give us.
The table automaticly assign color,even,dozen,street, etc. to this numbers.
Can be good this thing to categorize and track the numbers?

ernesto

[ikarianman]

for whom mayby interested-new page at win3million-page 20

[Demon of Randomness]

Hi Demon,

Great post. The point is, though, that you don't need to test 30 sessions of 100 spins (well not yet anyway).

What initially needs to be done is to examine just 100 spins to see what happens with "movements" randomness and "runs and changes" by coding each of the 100 spins.

CEH has said that only 1 in 30 should fail so there is only 3.33% chance of picking the bad session. I would take that risk.

Only after putting forward the variables of that 100 spin session, should testing go to the next step of the 30 sessions. Then when a variable fails (say) 3 in the first 5 sessions, it is abandoned and the next one is tested until failure, or otherwise.

If it doesn't fail over the 30 sessions then booya!!, the real testing begins.

Regards
Mocco

Thanx mate. Glad to have you on the project!
I agree with you. We should first use 1, maximum 2 samples. They should serve as dummy samples for examples of our coding. Categorizing/coding numbers will show us something only when we fully research RELATIONS between categories. At first it could be wrong or presented in a way which is hard to understand so it's the best way to exercise on dummy samples. As i see it, that 1 out of 30 sessions fails to show positive bankroll because zero is repeating more than usual. And zero is our biggest enemy because it can't be categorized.

Cheers     

[win3milion@inmydreams.com]

black/even = 26numbers
black/ odd = 28 numbers

From an overall point of view It's correct, but you have MORE winning numbers betting black/even. . for winning numbers I mean those that are both black and even.  Same thing for Red/Odd

[Demon of Randomness]

I agree.Lets just select our spins and start testing
The Spiders Kiss

Hi Spiders Kiss, good to have one more veteran member on this!

I see you are eager to test but we shouldn't rush. We don't have deadlines. Casinos won't close anytime soon (except if we don't find holy grail  ). I understand you, cause testing can be addiction even worst than actual gambling. Your bankroll limits your gambling but you can test day and night for free. One day i got tired of blind testing. I caught myself trying different bets, picking them randomly (with no logic of choice), in hope that i will stumble upon HG. I used to change them if they failed to show profit in first 10 or 15 spins (what a reliable testing sample, huh?). Pure waste of time and energy! I decided to stop with TRIAL AND ERROR method and start brainstorming first. Brain + pen and paper rules!

We should first spend time and energy in finding tools of the game. Even CEH said that we should know as much as possible about the game. Goal is to first to list all tools (from EC to splits), default versions and engineered ones, and find RELATIONS between them. It's not an easy job but also it's not endless. We should then organize them all in one neat and tidy, easy to look and think, post (demonstration of tools).

IT HAS ONLY BEGUN!!!   

Cheers

[WARRIOR]

OK GUYS WHO WOULD AGREE THAT THE EVEN BETS REAPEAT WAY MORE THE THE DOZEN BETS NOW IF HE WOULD BET 1000 UNITS TO WIN 3OOO UNITS ,AND WIN 20000 IN A SESSION THIS IS WHAT HE HAD POSTED ON PAGE 19 ITS NO LONGER THERE NOW HE TOOK IT OFF. BUT TO ME THIS WOULD BE A 12 NUMBER BET THATS THE DOZEN BETTING AREA FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T NO,YOU WOULD SEE EVEN BETTING AREA EXAMPLE TAKE RED COLOR VERY EASY 28 IN A ROW CORRECT ,SAME GOES FOR OTHER EVEN CHANCES.6 IN A ROW ON OCCASION HIS BET LOSSES TO ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOZENS SURE YOU WILL SEE SOME TIMES 5 OR 6 OR 8 IN A ROW BUT IF YOU LOOK AT 1 MILLION SPINS THE EVEN CHANCE WILL KICK THERE ASS ANY TIME CORRECT.NOW LETS OBSERVE THE FIRST DOZEN WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE WHEEL  THE 5 AND THE 10 ARE THE ONLY NUMBERS TOGETHER. THE OTHER 2 DOZENS THERE ARE WAY MORE NUMBERS TOGETHER,SO  WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN MORE OFTEN , WHEN LOOKING AT RESULTS JUST OBSERVE THE FIRST DOZEN AN SEE HOW MANY TIMES YOU WILL SEE 6 IN A ROW IN 100 SPINS WELL I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW NOT THAT OFTEN  THE OTHER 2 IS KICK ING ITS ASS .BUT IM NOT SURE HOW TO PUT THIS TOGETHER YET.IM JUST OBSERVING IT RIGHT NOW THERE ARE ALOT OF RUNS IN THE 2ND AND 3RD DOZEN AND LOOK HOW OFTEN AFTER LETS SAY 2-3OR4 IN A ROW THAT A DOZEN COMES IN AND IT CHANGES AND SEE IN 100 SPINS HOW IT BEHAVES.PS HE NEVER USES MORE THEN 2 UNITS BEFORE BEING IN PROFIT THINK ABOUT IT 12 NUMBERS LOSE THE FIRST WIN ON THE SECOND PROFIT ONE UNIT.

[Number Six]

Not to be a killjoy, but this thread will be another fruitless 100-pager if you don't drop this obsession with Charles. I've just read page 19 of win3million.com for the first time. It is a tirade of absolute nonsense more indicative of a total lunatic than a disciplined professional of any sort. Realise that this Charles-man has delusional schizophrenia. His claims are absurd. His rants more so. Get over him and start thinking for yourselves.

[Number Six]

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