Hello dear friends,
I am new to the forum and I would like to make a small first contribution to this lovely place.
Here is a single dozen system that I came up with last night:
You look at the last 5 spun numbers and translate them into dozens.
Example:
Numbers: 32, 4, 17, 25, 30
translates into:
Dozens: 3, 1, 2, 3, 3
Then you bet on the dominating dozen, meaning the dozen that hit 3 or more times within these 5 spins. That is our trigger.
NOTE: When there is a zero within the last 5 spins, then we look at the last 6 spins (instead of 5). When there are 2 zeros, then we look at the last 7 spins, and so on.
If no dozen is dominating (example: 2,1,2,3,3) then we continue spinning until there is one. Or you can just wait for a new formation with no zero in it. (It's all the same really)
If we lose the bet, we look again at the last 5 spins (including the last number that hit) and we do the same again.
We use a progression of 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9.
My stop loss is at the 7th step of the progression (that is 9).
I accept the -26u loss (which I can easily take) and enter my Recovery Mode. (see my playing strategies)
Pretty simple and straight forward.
Feel free to test and tweak.
All the best,
Marven
UPDATE:
Ok, since I have noticed some of you have actually used this little system, I have tweaked it a bit for those who want to use it for some fun short term winnings during a visit to the casino or so.
Here it is:
The progression is simply: 1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21
We wait for our trigger, then we bet using the first 3 steps of the progression 1-1-2
If we still lose, we stop betting and wait for another trigger.
When a new trigger shows, we continue the progressions with the next 3 steps 3-4-6
If we still lose, we stop betting and wait for another trigger.
When a new trigger shows, we continue the progressions with the next 3 steps 9-14-21
That's it. :)
If all three attacks fail, we lose 61 units.
For this to happen, the 3 dozens must be alternating without showing any trends during all the three attacks, which happens very rarely.
This is for short-term/fun purposes only.
Best of luck,
Marven
As for my playing strategies, they're still evolving and constantly changing, so nothing is set on concrete.
What I usually do is I divide my session's target between the methods of the mode I'm playing (Using the most effective methods for Production, whilst the more safe and slow ones for Recovery).
For instance, if my target for the session is 10 units, and my production mode has system A, system B, and system C, then I aim for 4u using system A, 3u using system B, and 3u using system C.
The same goes for the Recovery Mode. I never play one system for more than 5u as a target.
This increases my chances because as Victor said the wheel "must synchronize the losing sequence with the time I am playing in order to get me."
My goal is to become a professional player, so I really put high importance on discipline, clear and reasonable goals and solid capitalization and money management.
Best regards to you all,
Marven
Hi Marven.
Your system seems very fun to play, though i think i prefer the calm 1-1-1-2 or simular..
Will test this if its ok?
Take care
/Worm
I like playing this with Dozen and columns..let me know what u think. Flat or very mild prog
Marven,
Play a few sets of 24 sessions and let me know what the results were. You can't have 1 loss per session, it would kill all your winnings.
I did a quick test on my dozen records and it failed. But keep throwing up ideas. I haven't found that winning formula myself too.
Thank you for the replies mates.
Worm, this system is very new mate and still needs lots of tweaking (I should even have posted this in the brainstorming section). My initial idea was to find a way to play a waker single dozen with the best results possible.
I'm still not concerned about the progression yet. What I'm concerned about at the moment is how much this is winning.
JHM, you are right mate. I tested this a bit further and it failed. That first session was a bit lucky (they always are, aren't they).
I also trying this approach:
We look at only the last 3 spun dozens, and bet the dominating one.
Went good at first (never went above the 6th step of the progression) but eventually failed.
Again, my goal is: Finding a way to play an active/waker single dozen with the best results possible, using a limited progression to protect the BR (but hitting the loss limit must be a rare event so as not to kill the winnings).
Better said than done though.
Will keep experimenting.
All the best,
Marven
Best of luck, Marven. I like playing the single dozen/column, or equivalent, too. I usually play a sleeping dozen, playing multiple tables at the same time. Maybe a waking 12 would be better?
Ron.
Marven, try the progression for one dozen/column bet: Win +1 unit, 3 loses -1 unit. The progression makes sometimes miracles during betting one D/C.
If zero comes in your 5 formation don't bet, start a new formation of 5 after the zero spin ends, even I would look for 6 spins formation rather.
Cheers Hermes
Playing sleepers can be dangerous you are better off playing hot numbers/dozens as dozens can sleep for a long time
Quote from: hoper35 on November 29, 2008, 01:26:54 AM
Best of luck, Marven. I like playing the single dozen/column, or equivalent, too. I usually play a sleeping dozen, playing multiple tables at the same time. Maybe a waking 12 would be better?
Ron.
Thanks mate!
You are right, IMO playing a waker would be better. Still, it is not very uncommon for a dozen to wake up for one spin and then go back to sleep and make us hit the progression's loss limit.
I'm currently trying a few more approaches to this. Will surely post anything worth sharing.
Quote from: hermes on December 01, 2008, 10:10:20 PM
Marven, try the progression for one dozen/column bet: Win +1 unit, 3 loses -1 unit. The progression makes sometimes miracles during betting one D/C.
If zero comes in your 5 formation don't bet, start a new formation of 5 after the zero spin ends, even I would look for 6 spins formation rather.
Cheers Hermes
Thank you Hermes (your name is of great significance to me btw ;)).
Will bear what you said in mind.
Quote from: Natural9 on December 02, 2008, 10:42:58 AM
Playing sleepers can be dangerous you are better off playing hot numbers/dozens as dozens can sleep for a long time
I agree with you there mate. I never play sleepers myself.
All the best to all of you,
Marven
thanks for the system marven! ive been looking for a good dozen system for a while, ill be going to the casino in a few weeks and ill test it out ;).
Hi!
Thanks for that system.
It works quite well, even on RNG!
With small 'player intelligence' it does the job...
Take care.
Quote from: 2nd12forlife on December 17, 2008, 11:28:02 AM
thanks for the system marven! ive been looking for a good dozen system for a while, ill be going to the casino in a few weeks and ill test it out ;).
Hi mate,
Check out the tweak I have made, you might like using that.
Good luck and have fun. ;)
Quote from: trylobit on December 19, 2008, 06:35:42 PM
Hi!
Thanks for that system.
It works quite well, even on RNG!
With small 'player intelligence' it does the job...
Take care.
Hi trylobit,
I would strongly recommend against RNG's my friend. Stay away from those things.
Online live dealers and/or brick and mortar casinos are the safe way to go.
Also check out the tweak I have made to this system. You might find it fun to play.
Best of luck and have fun! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Regards,
Marven
I think we don't need bet selection. We bet on a dozen, say doz 1, and use that progression:
1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21.
If we lose all these 9 steps, we recover with this progression:
2-2-4-6-8-12-18-28-42.
If we continue to lose, we recover with this progression:
5-5-10-15-20-30-45-70-105
Quote from: pgtmedu on December 23, 2008, 07:22:28 AMWe bet on a dozen, say doz 1, and use that progression:
1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21.
If we lose all these 9 steps, we recover with this progression:
2-2-4-6-8-12-18-28-42.
If we continue to lose, we recover with this progression:
5-5-10-15-20-30-45-70-105
Nice idea to be incorporated with the system (I.e. by playing those 3 progressions on separate 3 steps each as explained) for those who have the bankroll needed and want the system to recover for itself.
Quote from: pgtmedu on December 23, 2008, 07:22:28 AM
I think we don't need bet selection.
Absolutely mate, it makes no difference in terms of odds if we play with or without a bet selection.
HOWEVER, there is something that Victor once said in this regard and it made perfect sense to me. He said that bet selection does have merit in the way that it allows us to track a certain event and its 'win & loss ratio', so that we can take advantage of those moments were it hits equal to or above the average, and avoid or bet less during the moments were it misses above the expected.
With this bet selection for example, we can track how this system is doing in virtual:
If streaks are happening and the dozens are repeating themselves a lot, it means the conditions are in our favor to attack.
If the dozens are coming out in a rather regular fashion and without enough repeats, it indicates that we better not bet.
The golden rule is: Do not play like a robot. Do not play automatically betting on every spin and every trigger.
Regards,
Marven
Quote from: Marven on December 23, 2008, 01:21:21 PMfor those who have the bankroll needed and want the system to recover for itself.
Now for those who want to know what (in this case) is the required bankroll:
We have to calculate the amount of units needed to cover the worst case: If the 3 progressions suggested by pgtmedu fail, we lose 488 units. That's our worst case.
We multiply that by 3 to get our 'session bankroll'. (the bankroll needed to play a session):
488 x 3 = 1464 units <--- This is our session bankroll.
Now we need to find our 'lifetime bankroll'.
We do this by multiplying the 'session bankroll' by 3:
1464 x 3 = 4392 --> Rounded: 4400 units.
Now we will be able to calculate the unit VALUE to bet.
We do this by taking our capital and divide it by the lifetime BR.
Say we have $4500 as a capital, we do:
$4500 / 4400u = 1.02 --> Rounded: $1 That is our betting unit value.
Now if you are going to use Victor's 50% MM plan nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/vls-50percent-money-management/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/vls-50percent-money-management/)
You will (in this case) have 3 bankrolls with 1464 units each, and you aim at exploding the first bankroll etc, etc.
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@ Victor: If you see that I have made a mistake here, please do correct me. :)
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I believe that using a similar bet selection that is sensible to streaks, with some smart situational play (no betting like a robot), and a good well-managed capital should all put a big fight to the casino.
Regards,
Marven
Marven, could you be so kind and lend me the life time bankroll. When I win it I will pay it back to you , plus interest.
That's $5000 playing $1 minimum! Too much money for the fun.
Hermes
Quote from: hermes on December 23, 2008, 03:21:56 PM
Marven, could you be so kind and lend me the life time bankroll. When I win it I will pay it back to you , plus interest.
That's $5000 playing $1 minimum! Too much money for the fun.
Hermes
Hermes,
You are right mate, it is too much money for $1 betting unit.
I think 1464 might be the lifetime bankroll and not 5000.
That is why I suspected I might be wrong on those calculations, I'm still learning you see. ;)
Anyways, cheers mate!
Marven
Quote from: beocino on December 23, 2008, 04:23:35 PM
Why not start out betting the single dozen but when it goes past a certain point in the progression switch over to betting 2 dozens to recoup. Its much harder I think to lose when your betting %66 percent of the wheel. Maybe this isnt possible but its just a thought.
Hi beocino,
Thanks for the idea mate, but I don't think playing the two dozens when loosing instead of one would make a difference here, since (even though their hit rate is more than that of a single dozen) losing with the two dozens still requires a more explosive progression when trying to recoup.
The long term financial win/loss ratio would be the same regardless of the bet selection used. I believe the only advantage that we have at hand with regards to bet selection is that the casino doesn't force us to bet all the time. We have the advantage of betting whenever we want so we better learn to take advantage of the streaks etc. (situational play)
Regards,
Marven
this is fool proof if you hedge it with other two groups. for instance you bet 14 dollars on the main group and 8 dollars on other groups. you minimize losses. you then progress your bets accordingly. second bet would be 16 on main, 10 on the other two. you can only lose 6 dollars max.
Sorry to be boring here but there are no such thing as a "fool" proof bet. And as hedge goes either you like it or hate it, you are minimazing your losses but also your profits so it goes hand in hand...
This is the system being used by roulette sniper and R-bet. In R-sniper, you can customize the # of spins before placing the bet on the dominating dozen/street/line. I used the system a while ago. it worked at the beginning but I lost eventually cause there were 25 spins not landing in the dominating dozen..the progression I used was 1-2-3-4-6-9-22 and I will restart the progression if I lose 7 consecutive spins..
Hi Marven
New to forum and i am so happy i have joined the info on this is unreal. I have been on nolinks.rouletteforum.net (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net) where i have read all of Simon's posts and he really seems to know his stuff. I have taken a few system from him and others and have been testing and been playing with them and i must say this system is my fav. I play the live wheel on supercasino.com as they are on sky in the u.k. and have had great results with it.
Was wondering if you had been doing ok with it and what are the unit amounts you bet with and what progression do you use and what is the highest your progession has gone.
I have not gone over 4 yet but i am sure i will.
Be great to hear from you, thanks.
Keep up all the great posts guys.
Coetser
Hi Coetser and welcome to the forum.
I have to say I don't play this much mate, and when I do I prefer to play it with the columns instead of the dozens.
I'm glad you like it though. :)
As for the progression, you can find it in this thread. I usually play a 1,1,2 progression, if lose I stop and wait for another trigger then continue with 2,3,5, if lose I stop and wait for another trigger, and so on...
Try to play this when you see many repeats (streaks) in the columns, and try to avoid playing it when you see too much alternating in them.
A good idea is to keep track of both, the dozens and columns and attack using this when you see a good situation in one of them (many repeats).
Best of luck my friend,
Marven
Hi Marven and thanks for sharing.
This is my 2 cents.
Here is some thing i would say could improve things.
I don't know how many times i have wrote this.
There in no need to win at every step using a progression.
Its just an illusion.
Lets say some one have a dozen system with a progression that will put 209 units at risk to win 51 units.
Why when you can put 115 unit at risk to win 30 units.
The differens is that the first one aims to win at every step using a progression.
The secound one exept a loss you higher you go into the step ladder.
It works because one win or strikes of wins will chop.
W LW LLW and so on will have a higher hit ratio.
Here is a humbel progression:
1: 1 +2
2: 1 +1
3: 1 0
4: 2 +1
5: 3 +1
6: 4 0
7: 6 0
8: 8 -2
9: 12 -2
10: 17 -4
11: 25 -5
12: 35 -10
So if you would use 1 1 1 and 2 3 4 and 6 8 12 then you would have 38 units at risk, not 61 units at risk.
+2
+1
+0
+1
+1
+0
+0
-2
-2
Here is an illustration of how well it works:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg354.imageshack.us%2Fimg354%2F8523%2Fdozen6against6nw6.png&hash=847a0134ef5feb316cd0577240a5a670879c8501)
Cheers LS
Hi all,
I use the progression: 1-1-2-3-4-6-9
If I lose all these steps, I continue: 10-11-12..., ie, If lose, I add 1 unit to the previous losing bet, If win, I regress 2,3,4... units, according to the bankroll that I begin the session.
Plz try it.
Cheers,
Dinh
Quote from: lucky strike on January 06, 2009, 10:56:29 AM
Hi Marven and thanks for sharing.
This is my 2 cents.
Here is some thing i would say could improve things.
I don't know how many times i have wrote this.
There in no need to win at every step using a progression.
Its just an illusion.
Lets say some one have a dozen system with a progression that will put 209 units at risk to win 51 units.
Why when you can put 115 unit at risk to win 30 units.
The differens is that the first one aims to win at every step using a progression.
The secound one exept a loss you higher you go into the step ladder.
It works because one win or strikes of wins will chop.
W LW LLW and so on will have a higher hit ratio.
Here is a humbel progression:
1: 1 +2
2: 1 +1
3: 1 0
4: 2 +1
5: 3 +1
6: 4 0
7: 6 0
8: 8 -2
9: 12 -2
10: 17 -4
11: 25 -5
12: 35 -10
So if you would use 1 1 1 and 2 3 4 and 6 8 12 then you would have 38 units at risk, not 61 units at risk.
+2
+1
+0
+1
+1
+0
+0
-2
-2
Lucky my mate,
Thanks for the advice. I almost never play progressions anymore mate (except one for EC's given to me by a friend from this forum, and even that, I don't play it all the time). But I will recommend your tip to anyone interested in this thread.
Listen to what Mr Lucky is saying folks! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Quote from: pgtmedu on January 06, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Hi all,
I use the progression: 1-1-2-3-4-6-9
If I lose all these steps, I continue: 10-11-12..., ie, If lose, I add 1 unit to the previous losing bet, If win, I regress 2,3,4... units, according to the bankroll that I begin the session.
Plz try it.
Hi Dinh,
Thanks for contributing mate, I am sure there are those who would love to give your suggestion a try.
All the best,
Marven
Quote from: Marven on January 06, 2009, 05:18:28 PM
I almost never play progressions anymore mate (except one for EC's given to me by a friend from this forum, and even that, I don't play it all the time).
Hi Marven,
What progression do you play in EC that given to you by a friend from this forum?
Best regards,
Dinh
Quote from: pgtmedu on January 07, 2009, 04:15:15 AM
Hi Marven,
What progression do you play in EC that given to you by a friend from this forum?
Hi Dinh,
It's the one that one of my friends here have been using in his personal challenge thread which caught a lot of well deserved attention.
I am obliged not to share it mate, but I can safely tell you that (as any other progression) it can tank. I have once put it through a session from hell I have saved and it did tank.
Cheers and sorry for not being able to post this one.
Your friend,
Marven