Marven's Dozen System + His Playing Strategies

[Marven]

for those who have the bankroll needed and want the system to recover for itself.

Now for those who want to know what (in this case) is the required bankroll:

We have to calculate the amount of units needed to cover the worst case: If the 3 progressions suggested by pgtmedu fail, we lose 488 units. That's our worst case.

We multiply that by 3 to get our 'session bankroll'. (the bankroll needed to play a session):
488 x 3 = 1464 units <--- This is our session bankroll.

Now we need to find our 'lifetime bankroll'.
We do this by multiplying the 'session bankroll' by 3:
1464 x 3 = 4392 --> Rounded: 4400 units.

Now we will be able to calculate the unit VALUE to bet.
We do this by taking our capital and divide it by the lifetime BR.
Say we have $4500 as a capital, we do:
$4500 / 4400u = 1.02 --> Rounded: $1&nbsp; That is our betting unit value.


Now if you are going to use Victor's 50% MM plan nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/vls-50percent-money-management/
You will (in this case) have 3 bankrolls with 1464 units each, and you aim at exploding the first bankroll etc, etc.

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@ Victor: If you see that I have made a mistake here, please do correct me.
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I believe that using a similar bet selection that is sensible to streaks, with some smart situational play (no betting like a robot), and a good well-managed capital should all put a big fight to the casino.

Regards,
Marven

[hermes]

Marven, could you be so kind and lend me the life time bankroll. When I win it I will pay it back to you , plus interest.
That's $5000 playing $1 minimum! Too much money for the fun.
Hermes

[Marven]

Marven, could you be so kind and lend me the life time bankroll. When I win it I will pay it back to you , plus interest.
That's $5000 playing $1 minimum! Too much money for the fun.
Hermes

Hermes,

You are right mate, it is too much money for $1 betting unit.
I think 1464 might be the lifetime bankroll and not 5000.
That is why I suspected I might be wrong on those calculations, I'm still learning you see.

Anyways, cheers mate!
Marven

[Marven]

Why not start out betting the single dozen but when it goes past a certain point in the progression switch over to betting 2 dozens to recoup. Its much harder I think to lose when your betting %66 percent of the wheel.  Maybe this isnt possible but its just a thought.

Hi beocino,

Thanks for the idea mate, but I don't think playing the two dozens when loosing instead of one would make a difference here, since (even though their hit rate is more than that of a single dozen) losing with the two dozens still requires a more explosive progression when trying to recoup.

The long term financial win/loss ratio would be the same regardless of the bet selection used. I believe the only advantage that we have at hand with regards to bet selection is that the casino doesn't force us to bet all the time. We have the advantage of betting whenever we want so we better learn to take advantage of the streaks etc. (situational play)

Regards,
Marven

[panzer]

this is fool proof if you hedge it with other two groups. for instance you bet 14 dollars on the main group and 8 dollars on other groups. you minimize losses. you then progress your bets accordingly. second bet would be 16 on main, 10 on the other two. you can only lose 6 dollars max.

[Worm]

Sorry to be boring here but there are no such thing as a "fool" proof bet. And as hedge goes either you like it or hate it, you are minimazing your losses but also your profits so it goes hand in hand...

[pighead]

This is the system being used by roulette sniper and R-bet. In R-sniper, you can customize the # of spins before placing the bet on the dominating dozen/street/line.  I used the system a while ago. it worked at the beginning but I lost eventually cause there were 25 spins not landing in the dominating dozen..the progression I used was 1-2-3-4-6-9-22 and  I will restart the progression if I lose 7 consecutive spins..

[coetser]

Hi Marven

New to forum and i am so happy i have joined the info on this is unreal. I have been on nolinks.rouletteforum.net where i have read all of Simon's posts and he really seems to know his stuff. I have taken a few system from him and others and have been testing and been playing with them and i must say this system is my fav. I play the live wheel on supercasino.com as they are on sky in the u.k. and have had great results with it.
Was wondering if you had been doing ok with it and what are the unit amounts you bet with and what progression do you use and what is the highest your progession has gone.
I have not gone over 4 yet but i am sure i will.

Be great to hear from you, thanks.
Keep up all the great posts guys.

Coetser

[Marven]

Hi Coetser and welcome to the forum.

I have to say I don't play this much mate, and when I do I prefer to play it with the columns instead of the dozens.

I'm glad you like it though.

As for the progression, you can find it in this thread. I usually play a 1,1,2 progression, if lose I stop and wait for another trigger then continue with 2,3,5, if lose I stop and wait for another trigger, and so on...

Try to play this when you see many repeats (streaks) in the columns, and try to avoid playing it when you see too much alternating in them.

A good idea is to keep track of both, the dozens and columns and attack using this when you see a good situation in one of them (many repeats).

Best of luck my friend,
Marven

[lucky_strike]

Hi Marven and thanks for sharing.

This is my 2 cents.

Here is some thing i would say could improve things.
I don't know how many times i have wrote this.
There in no need to win at every step using a progression.
Its just an illusion.

Lets say some one have a dozen system with a progression that will put 209 units at risk to win 51 units.
Why when you can put 115 unit at risk to win 30 units.

The differens is that the first one aims to win at every step using a progression.
The secound one exept a loss you higher you go into the step ladder.

It works because one win or strikes of wins will chop.
W LW LLW and so on will have a higher hit ratio.

Here is a humbel progression:

1: 1 +2
2: 1 +1
3: 1 0
4: 2 +1
5: 3 +1
6: 4 0
7: 6 0
8: 8 -2
9: 12 -2
10: 17 -4
11: 25 -5
12: 35 -10

So if you would use 1 1 1 and 2 3 4 and 6 8 12 then you would have 38 units at risk, not 61 units at risk.

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Here is an illustration of how well it works:



Cheers LS

[pgtmedu]

Hi all,
I use the progression: 1-1-2-3-4-6-9
If I lose all these steps, I continue: 10-11-12..., ie, If lose, I add 1 unit to the previous losing bet, If win, I regress 2,3,4... units, according to the bankroll that I begin the session.
Plz try it.
Cheers,
Dinh

[Marven]

Hi Marven and thanks for sharing.

This is my 2 cents.

Here is some thing i would say could improve things.
I don't know how many times i have wrote this.
There in no need to win at every step using a progression.
Its just an illusion.

Lets say some one have a dozen system with a progression that will put 209 units at risk to win 51 units.
Why when you can put 115 unit at risk to win 30 units.

The differens is that the first one aims to win at every step using a progression.
The secound one exept a loss you higher you go into the step ladder.

It works because one win or strikes of wins will chop.
W LW LLW and so on will have a higher hit ratio.

Here is a humbel progression:

1: 1 +2
2: 1 +1
3: 1 0
4: 2 +1
5: 3 +1
6: 4 0
7: 6 0
8: 8 -2
9: 12 -2
10: 17 -4
11: 25 -5
12: 35 -10

So if you would use 1 1 1 and 2 3 4 and 6 8 12 then you would have 38 units at risk, not 61 units at risk.

+2
+1
+0
+1
+1
+0
+0
-2
-2

Lucky my mate,

Thanks for the advice. I almost never play progressions anymore mate (except one for EC's given to me by a friend from this forum, and even that, I don't play it all the time). But I will recommend your tip to anyone interested in this thread.

Listen to what Mr Lucky is saying folks! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Hi all,
I use the progression: 1-1-2-3-4-6-9
If I lose all these steps, I continue: 10-11-12..., ie, If lose, I add 1 unit to the previous losing bet, If win, I regress 2,3,4... units, according to the bankroll that I begin the session.
Plz try it.

Hi Dinh,

Thanks for contributing mate, I am sure there are those who would love to give your suggestion a try.

All the best,
Marven

[pgtmedu]

I almost never play progressions anymore mate (except one for EC's given to me by a friend from this forum, and even that, I don't play it all the time).

Hi Marven,
What progression do you play in EC that given to you by a friend from this forum?

Best regards,
Dinh

[Marven]

Hi Marven,
What progression do you play in EC that given to you by a friend from this forum?

Hi Dinh,

It's the one that one of my friends here have been using in his personal challenge thread which caught a lot of well deserved attention.
I am obliged not to share it mate, but I can safely tell you that (as any other progression) it can tank. I have once put it through a session from hell I have saved and it did tank.

Cheers and sorry for not being able to post this one.

Your friend,
Marven

[Marven]

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