I've been making/testing systems for hours and hours and hours on end... I'd say 95% end in dissapointment almost immediately (within 2 or 3 thousand spins), 3% end in dissapointment quickly (within 8 to 10 thousand spins) and 2% give me the idea that I've found the HG only to end in dissapointment after a long time (after 450k to 900k spins).
I think I've been going at my system making the wrong way. I've basically been doing the following:
Step 1: Have an idea (any idea at all)
Step 2: Test the idea
I haven't been taking into account at least something that the wheel always does in the making of these systems. I mean, there are very few facts we have about what the roulette wheel does anyway, but I should have at least taken some of them into consideration when making a system.
This is a system that is based on my take of "The Law of the Third" just as I'm sure many systems before mine have...that failed.
This system of mine has only been tested for 12,000 spins. It is showing such promise however, that I am going to test it with REAL money so I can get an accurate picture of how well this system will really perform.
Here is the system:
You wait until in 16 spins of the wheel, only 16 numbers have come out. No number has repeated itself. You then bet these numbers 4 times and 4 times only with the following progression 1,1,2,4.
If you bust the progression you've lost 128 units and you start back at the beginning of the progression. In my 12,000 spin test I busted the progression 4 times. Here are the stats of my test:
Total Spins: 12,931
Starting BR: 25,000 Units
Ending BR: 26,032 Units
Largest Drawdown: 160 Units
I have included a snapshot of the BR Balance Trend, The "Summary" Screen, and the full spin/betting history.
I still have $181 left in a Vegas Technology Casino that I've been looking to test a promising system on that didn't involve massive drawdowns and that I could bet with using $1 as unit value (as that's the lowest unit value they have). I'm just going to have to hope that the zero doesn't eat up my BR while betting on Red/Black to get my tracking spins (as there can sometimes be A LOT of them)
I will be doing my test live at 5:30 pm Eastern Time for anybody interested in watching me possibly win, probably lose money (haha). The $181 I have left is actually what was left in my account after a withdrawal (actually there was $131 left, but I won $50 using another, what ended up being a not so successful system).
That $181, even if lost, will still leave me in a profit from that particular casino so I'm not too worried about losing it.
If you'd like to watch (although I'll warn you now, it might be pretty boring at times as it will be a lot of "blank" spins) you can do so here:
nolinks.livestream.com/liveroulettefeed
I forgot to mention my win/loss goal for the upcoming session:
My win goal will be (a waayyy too generous goal): $75 (almost 50% of my BR)
My loss goal will be (a waaayyyy to lenient goal): The whole $180
Great work again rj, do you have the rxtreme file?
I could be in for some trouble come 5:30 (although, I'm still going to give this system a go).
The reason I could be in for some trouble is if a loss is followed by a loss without enough wins in between to cover.
I have tested another 12k spins on top of the previous 12k spins in the last BR shot, and you can see what I'm talking about if you look in between spins 12,000 and 14,000
But, like I said, I'm still going to give it a shot.
@ Sean (who asked about the RXtreme Programming) - You can test this system using RXtreme using my "ultimate RXtreme program for testing inside numbers systems" which is located here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/what's-your-system-here-is-mine-now-make-your-own/
Oh, and just so everybody knows, the only reason I am testing this system at a US friendly casino instead of one with more accomodating rules (like playtech and their unlimited free spins or BV's no-zero wheel) is because I'm STILL waiting on a bot to be finished for me.
The bot will play any system you can design using my RXtreme .DGT file located here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/what's-your-system-here-is-mine-now-make-your-own/
The bot has literally the exact same setting options, except a couple of more are added to the bot. Once the bot is finished I will be depositing money into one of the aforementioned casinos (although it seems like it is literally taking forever).
Custom bots are really expensive, so I've been kind of saving my money to pay for the other half of it (it's a "half up front" "half after it's finished" deal) instead of depositing my money into "more user friendly casinos".
However, like I said, as soon as it is finished all of my playing/testing will be done at either PlayTech or BetVoyagers casinos, and most likely all of it will be done with the bot I'm having made for me.
Good luck. :)
I've got to say playing this system certainly takes some patience... If you missed the live broadcast of the session you can watch it at the link I provided earlier and then clicking on the "On-Demand" button and then selecting the "RJ's L.O.T.T Real Money Test".
Sometimes (for some reason I don't know) Livestream deletes certain videos from the On-Demand section, so I don't know how long it will be there. I think it has to do with a "size of the file on their server" as I noticed all of my overnight (10+ hours) tests have been deleted.
I got hungry 42 minutes into it and had to stop. Although, if the zero hadn't eaten up some of my BR I would have made $88 dollars in those 42 minutes so I guess it's alright.
Because of the zero (and my having to bet on Red/Black for free spins) I actually netted $60. Pretty close to my goal though.
If you'd like to download the spins of the live session I just played, you can do so below. Remember, those spins are coming from Vegas Technology's "Silver Dollar Casino".
The full stats of my session are:
Time Played: 42 Minutes
Spins: 549
Starting BR: $181
Ending BR: $241
Net Profit: $60
Largest Drawdown: $64 (technically, I went to the 4th step in the progression once, but won on that bet)
Spin and Betting history are attached below.
I did some tesing with this approach. It seems to hold up pretty well however...
I would suggest you even out your progression. Unless you have specific reason to believe that the second 1 unit bet in your progression has a much lower chance of hitting (which it does not...just look at your result data) then I would suggest modifying the progression so that the units won at each of the 4 levels are more proportionate. Test it and see if your overall results do not improve with a more linear progression.
-Innovcon
Quote from: Innovcon on June 14, 2009, 07:48:45 PM
I did some tesing with this approach. It seems to hold up pretty well however...
I would suggest you even out your progression. Unless you have specific reason to believe that the second 1 unit bet in your progression has a much lower chance of hitting (which it does not...just look at your result data) then I would suggest modifying the progression so that the units won at each of the 4 levels are more proportionate. Test it and see if your overall results do not improve with a more linear progression.
-Innovcon
That's actually a really good idea, thanks Innovocon!
Just to clarify (as I got a PM about this...somebody ridiculing me for being irresponsible) DO NOT PLAY THIS SYSTEM with real money unless you are okay with losing that money. I am sure this is not the HG, and it has a failure point just like any other system.
It is (in my opinion) a solid system, but I could have just as easily lost my money. So, be responsible with your game play and if you aren't comfortable losing the money your putting down, don't play.
Oh, and more good news!! I just got an email from my programmer and he said my bot should be finished tomorrow!! I really couldn't be happier about that!
Quote from: Innovcon on June 14, 2009, 07:48:45 PM
I did some tesing with this approach. It seems to hold up pretty well however...
I would suggest you even out your progression. Unless you have specific reason to believe that the second 1 unit bet in your progression has a much lower chance of hitting (which it does not...just look at your result data) then I would suggest modifying the progression so that the units won at each of the 4 levels are more proportionate. Test it and see if your overall results do not improve with a more linear progression.
-Innovcon
I meant to ask but I forgot, do you have any suggestions?
Well what I would do is go back and look at where most of my wins occur. Do they tend to occur on your first or second bet in your progression?
If so then you would use a progression like this... 2-3-5-8 The net win at each level using that progression would be 40-28-20-20
If you feel that most of your wins are closer to the end of your progression...
The you would use a progression like this... 1-2-4-8 The net win at each level using that progression would be 20-24-32-48
The idea is to tailor the progression to the expected results. Now some might say it makes no difference how you set the progression up. Maybe that is true and maybe it isnt. Thats for you to decide. keep in mind that progression betting should not be just about recouping previous losses...but rather about tailoring the progression to the expected results of your bet selection.
-Innovcon
Hi All,
Just ran this through approximately 23,000 spins (from Hamburg). Profit: 448 units. Solid. Unfortunately, waiting for 16 unique numbers to appear in 16 spins occurs about every 923 spins.
-16 -16 -16 20 -16 20 -16 20 -16 -16 20 20 -16 20 -16 -16 20 -16 -16 -16 20 20 20 20 -16
20 20 -16 -16 20 -16 -16 20 -16 -16 -16 -16 -16 -16 -16 -16 -16 -16 -16 -16 20 20 20 -16 -16
40 -32 -32 -32 -32 -32 -32 40 -32 -32 -32 -32 40 -32 -32 40 -32 32 40 40 40 40 -32 40 -32
80 -64 -64 -64 -64 80 80 -64 -64 80 80 80 80 -64 80 80 80 64 80 80 -64 80 80 80 -64
124 -92 -128 -92 -92 52 16 16 -128 16 52 52 88 -92 16 88 52 64 88 88 16 160 88 124 -128
Cheers,
- Rob
I love your enthusiasm RJ.
I'm sure many members are being sucked along in your slipstream so to speak, and learning all the way, so keep up the great work.
I do have a question though.
Of all the ideas and systems you have tested have you ever persevered with any using flat betting only, if so, how far spin wise did those systems get before they faltered?
I really like this system, but I wish we could lower the drawdown to play at higher units in a land casino.
I think you have convinced me to try this with real money!
+ i'm big fan of your systems.But i don't know how to track the numbers, it will be great if you make .dgt file for this system that show you when to bet, like the one you made for 9 in 9 system!
Quote from: haribekur on June 15, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
I think you have convinced me to try this with real money!
+ I'm big fan of your systems.But I don't know how to track the numbers, it will be great if you make .dgt file for this system that show you when to bet, like the one you made for 9 in 9 system!
I'm happy to hear you enjoy my systems, and I would love to hear that they've made you some money! However, as I said earlier in this thread, please don't play this (or any system for that matter) with money you cannot afford to lose.
This system isn't the Holy Grail, and I'm sure just like every other system I've produced, it has it's failure point. I could have lost the money you saw me play with that video. I'm sure not playing unless it's money you can afford to lose is something you're already aware of, but I just want to make sure as I got a PM from somebody calling me "irresponsible" for "leading people on" by me playing/announcing the fact that I was playing with real money.
I'm sure nobody here is childish enough to blame me for any money lost playing my/or anybody else's systems, but I just wanted to clarify this.
I wish you the best of luck!
Oh, and as far as making an RXtreme file, please read through this thread again as you can make this in RXtreme yourself using the RXtreme file I have posted in the RXtreme coding section.
Quote from: bombus on June 15, 2009, 08:17:27 AM
I love your enthusiasm RJ.
I'm sure many members are being sucked along in your slipstream so to speak, and learning all the way, so keep up the great work.
I do have a question though.
Of all the ideas and systems you have tested have you ever persevered with any using flat betting only, if so, how far spin wise did those systems get before they faltered?
I can honestly say Bombus, that I haven't put forth nearly the same effort trying to come up with a flat betting system in the same manner as I have progression betting systems.
I'm not saying flat betting systems don't have any merit, as I'm sure they do. I just have a tendency to work on something one way, and until I feel satisfied that I can't come up with anything better using that one way, I can't move on from it (it's a terrible disease...stubborness is, haha)
I'll work on a flat betting system soon though (not because I feel as though I can't find something better in the "progression" department, but because I'm sure there are a lot of members here that would like to see me put something out there that didn't require hundreds of units)
Oh, and thanks for the kind words bombus, I appreciate it!
hi RJ,
any news about your bot ??
Unfortunately...no :( Not yet anyway. I was told yesterday that it should be finished today though, so I'm still hopeful :)
If you need a no-zero wheel, pm me. I'd be honoured to help.
Just wanted to let everybody know I got my bot back! :yahoo: I'm very excited!
I'm just putting it through some test runs right now to make sure everything is functioning correctly, but once I see that it is I'm going to put it on a casino and give it a shot.
I'll be sure to let you all know my results.
Oh, and just so everybody knows, I had Tiago program the bot. He is AWESOME! He had the bot finished (even with all the complicated inputs) inside of 5 days! That is amazing, in case you weren't aware. He is extremely professional, has no problem answering questions, and offers support even after the bot has been completed. I really can't say enough good things about him!
i can try this with my bot, i had similar idea and i can modify it to play this because it is flexible, i will post results