I have been thinking hard lately and have even thought this could be one system I should keep to myself, however all my ideas have come from the forum and I certanly will be trying to get sorted out with my home life, then going to my local casino with as little as £10 yes I say £10. Anyway I have been looking at roulette from a new safer smarter way.
o.k you all know im not the best at explaining but here goes.
You can play all 6 even chances at the same time but in the example below I will just show the 19-36 numbers (H).
1.We have this along the top of our tracking sheet.
SPIN] OOE] EEO] HHL] LLH] RRB] BBR]
8
14
7
31 H
34 H
36 H (after the H,H we got a H so the next time we se H,H we bet for a H to follow)
14
36 H
29 H
22 H Bet won +1 (after the H,H we got a H so the next time we se H,H we bet for a H to follow)
22
23
5
27
12
5
24 H
20 H
24 H Bet won +1
26
32
33
35
20
13
26
9
9
27
17
27
1
16
26 H
24 H
13 L Bet lost -1 (after the H,H we got a L so the next time we se H,H we bet for a L to follow)
I can now play at least 4 of the 6 even chances in my head without tracking, its like Brain training to have a good memory.
From my tests you will find it very hard to lose your bankroll, but let me know if you do.
Below is what the betting looks like when playing all 6 even chances.
8
14
7
31
34
36
14 l -1
36
29
22 w +1
22
23 l -1
5
27 lw 0
12
5
24
20
24 lww +1
26
32
33
35
20 lw 0
13
26
9
9
27 lww +2
17
27
1
16 w +1
26 w +1
24 w +1
13 lw 0
19
15 w +1
26
29 w +1
24 l -1
4
21 w +1
18
32 w +1
25 w +1
8 l -1
34
15 w +1
16
23 w +1
STARTED with 10 units
LOWEST DOWNFALL was -1unit
FINISHING BANKROLL with 20 units (+10 units)
WOW I think im getting better at explaining :yahoo:
happy testing and happy winning
MATTJONO
It's much safer and easier thisway then wheel sectors
Matt. mate.Maybe you get some other E/C ideas aside
Will be watching..............................Iboba 8) 8)
hi,
something i don't undestand.
just look on your example.
8
14
7
31 H
34 H
36 H (after the H,H we got a H so the next time we se H,H we bet for a H to follow)
14
36 H
29 H
22 H Bet won +1 (after the H,H we got a H so the next time we se H,H we bet for a H to follow)
22 H
23 H why no bet here ?
5
27
12
5
24 H
20 H
24 H Bet won +1
26
32
33
35
20
13
26
9
9
27
17
27
1
16
26 H
24 H
13 L Bet lost -1 (after the H,H we got a L so the next time we se H,H we bet for a L to follow)
why you don't bet on every signal ?
fqbien Thanks for pointing that out.
-i forgot to say you have to wait for the run to break and wait for a new H,H for a bet.
.....................
Iboba.
i agree :thumbsup:
matt
Very interesting approach.
I shall test it a bit. Low bankroll needed makes this system very profitable (you made 100% profit).
Best regards.
Trylobit
Hi guys,
the reason why i think this performs so well is because we know that roulette is a game that will guarantee patterns and the even chances seem to produce patterns all day long. And all we are rearly doing is betting on what hapend the last time the even chance hit 2 times in a row if it hit again e.g B,R,R,R...the next time we see B,R,R we bet a R to follow. BUT if the even chance went B,R,R,B then the next time we see B,R,R we bet for a B to follow.
im currently on smartlive casinos auto wheel and will quit when im +5 units.
matt
Hello MATTJONO,
Congratulation and thanks for your nice system. If we see HLH, do we bet H after HL appears?
Regards
sniper
Quote from: sniper on June 17, 2009, 07:59:47 AM
Hello MATTJONO,
Congratulation and thanks for your nice system. If we see HLH, do we bet H after HL appears?
Regards
sniper
thanks mate.
I have not tested this yet but im guessing it will bring still positve results as we are always going with the flow.
P.S I just made my 5 units on smartlive auto wheel it took a little longer than usual but hay im a GRINDER with a little bankroll.
here are my results
spin
4
25
4
30
26
14
4
22
18
4
18 L -1
0
0
5
12
2 W +1
3
36
14 L -1
4 LW +0
13 W +1
36
9
21 W +1
13
3
13 W +1
28
25 W +1
34 L -1
33 L -1
6
29 L -1
11
10 L -1
7 W +1
14
3 L -1
22
4
10 WW +2
4 W +1
3
33
20 W +1
20 WW +2
0 L -1
33
26
32 W +1
36 W +1
Attached session below with a print screen and how i track and bet to make it easy.
MATTJONO
Anyone tested this yet, because im finding it hard to lose.
mattjono
Hi MATTJONO,
I tested under r.n.g. thru RXtreme betting just the 2 EC's
R,R,? and H,H,?
It was a long session of 209 spins
Result +10
Good news is the max drawdown was only 5 units and my lowest bankroll was only 1 unit below my starting bank.
I like it and thanks for posting.
I think you have something here worthy of very close attention. There may be some "consistent wins" to be gained from flat betting in this fashion...
Regards,
A.
Hi MATTJONO,
Now I tried same patterns on real casino numbers from Spielbank Casino Wiesbaden for Table 3 16th June (yesterday)
R,R,?
H,H,?
Target 10 units profit
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
0,',,,,,,500,
1,'4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,'10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,'34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,'15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,'4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,'31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,'32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
8,'9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
9,'12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
10,'24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
11,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
12,'18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
13,'36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
14,'3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
15,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
16,'5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
17,'35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
18,'21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
19,'13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18)
20,'24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
21,'22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
22,'8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Low (1-18)
23,'6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
24,'34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
25,'25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
26,'8,Bet,2,2,-2,0,503,1 : Low (1-18),Red
27,'23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
28,'23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
29,'6,Bet,2,4,-2,2,505,1 : Low (1-18),Black
30,'33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
31,'26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
32,'30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : Low (1-18)
33,'9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
34,'15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black
35,'6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
36,'34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
37,'9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
38,'20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Black
39,'1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
40,'28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
41,'0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
42,'11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
43,'31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
44,'16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
45,'12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
46,'10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Black
47,'19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
48,'18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
49,'25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Black
50,'27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
51,'0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,505.5,1 : High (19-36)
52,'1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
53,'20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
54,'3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
55,'36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
56,'27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : Red
57,'34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507.5,1 : High (19-36)
58,'34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
59,'13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
60,'1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
61,'30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
62,'2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506.5,1 : Red
63,'17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
64,'15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
65,'26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
66,'19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
67,'28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507.5,1 : High (19-36)
68,'11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
69,'23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
70,'29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
71,'2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506.5,1 : High (19-36)
72,'1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
73,'1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
74,'31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507.5,1 : Black
75,'35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
76,'13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508.5,1 : Low (1-18)
77,'23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
78,'11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
79,'7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
80,'28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
81,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
82,'19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
83,'24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
84,'25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507.5,1 : Low (1-18)
85,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
86,'0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
87,'19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
88,'23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
89,'34,Bet,2,2,-2,0,507.5,1 : High (19-36),Black
90,'16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
91,'4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
92,'36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
93,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
94,'3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
95,'15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
96,'6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
97,'16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
98,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
99,'3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
100,'27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
101,'14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508.5,1 : Red
102,'35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
103,'3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
104,'15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
105,'5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
106,'17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
107,'9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
108,'28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
109,'20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
110,'27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : High (19-36)
111,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
112,'31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
113,'24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
114,'23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510.5,1 : High (19-36)
114 spins (1hr 53 mins simulated)
Profit 10.5 units
Max drawdown = 1.5 units !!
Lowest Bankroll = N/A (never went below start bank of 500)
Regards,
Atlantis.
well done atlantis.
now thats what im talking about you got your +10 units and you even won your first bet.
didnt even go into your bankroll and managed to get your target. :dance1:
im rearly excited and I want to go to the casino right now.
MATTJONO
P.S does anyone know if they will let me in with a birth certificate I still havnt got the money to buy a passport, so maybe I can go get a new passport the day after I go to the casino :-X
Hi MATTJONO,
I will try and test some more later or maybe tomorrow...
Correct me if I'm wrong but surely just a current valid credit card and maybe a household bill will suffice as enough ID?
Regards,
A.
Quote from: MATTJONO on June 17, 2009, 04:02:39 PM
P.S does anyone know if they will let me in with a birth certificate I still havnt got the money to buy a passport, so maybe I can go get a new passport the day after I go to the casino :-X
this may help Matt ;)
nolinks://nolinks.ildado.com/uk_casino_guide.html
Good luck to Ya !!!! :good: :good:
Quote from: link=topic=10407.msg66509#msg66509 date=1245265909
this may help Matt ;)
nolinks://nolinks.ildado.com/uk_casino_guide.html
Good luck to Ya !!!! :good: :good:
Cheers xman1970 :good:
and xman1970 i dont need any luck im playing the SMART WAY... :diablo: :haha:
Quote from: MATTJONO on June 17, 2009, 04:18:18 PM
Cheers xman1970 :good:
and xman1970 I dont need any luck im playing the SMART WAY... :diablo: :haha:
HeHeHe
Good luck WON'T do you ANY harm..... :good:
Quote from: atlantis on June 17, 2009, 03:43:28 PM
Hi MATTJONO,
Now I tried same patterns on real casino numbers from Spielbank Casino Wiesbaden for Table 3 16th June (yesterday)
Hi Atlantis,
You mention running real numbers from Spielbank Casino Wiesbaden... but where do get them from..? I have searched but can't seem to source them..?
Thanks
topcat888
Hi topcat,
LIVE results here:
nolinks://nolinks.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/DE/621/Permanenzen2.php
archive history:
nolinks://nolinks.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/DE/622/PermanenzenArchiv.php
I was downloading the spins using the automatic facility in Roulette eXtreme under the [options] menu on the main display window (very easy)
Regards,
A.
Hi MATTJONO,
What do you suggest best way to play the smart EC's?
I tried a session using real numbers and played the 4 patterns:
H,H,H,?
L,L,L,?
R,R,R,?
B,B,B,?
After 81 spins I was in profit by +4.
I am thinking best to quit when +4 or -6 with this system
Also think that pattern strings of four eg: "H,H,H,?" are better than pattern strings of three eg: "H,H,?"
What is your take and findings on this?
Also I cannot download the charting file you posted or view such a format (.docx) on mine.
Thanks,
A.
Atlantis aslong as you have your set rules and follow the trends you will be fine whever its playing after H? // HH? // HHH?
and Atlantis keep playing my friend I rearly rearly have the hang of this, my friends are amazed when I get a coin out.
last night on smartlive casino 32 had just span in....I was saying right its going to be a black even high number next ...... BANG IT was 22.
if you follow my play and add you own ideas you can have a consistant bet like me, I know can bet every spin with results like this.
+1
+1
+0
+2
+1
-1
+1
+2
+2
-1
+1
+0
-1
-1
-1
-1
+1
-1
+0
+1
-2
+0
+3
+1
+1
+0
+0
-1
+1
-1
+0
+3
+1
+2
-3
+11units in 33spins ....... and never looked asif I was going to lose a PENNY.
ATLANTIS do you not have microsoft excel to do your tracking mate
MATTJONO
Quote from: atlantis on June 19, 2009, 05:42:51 AM
Also I cannot download the charting file you posted or view such a format (.docx) on mine.
Thanks,
A.
Hi Atlantis
I don't know if these programs are any good or if you have to pay, but they should enable you to read any docx file
nolinks://nolinks.nirmaltv.com/2008/02/07/docx-file-converter-31-ways-to-convert-and-view-docx-files/
MATTJONO I LIKE IT .
Quote from: MATTJONO on June 19, 2009, 07:57:00 AM
Atlantis aslong as you have your set rules and follow the trends you will be fine whever its playing after H? // HH? // HHH?
and Atlantis keep playing my friend I rearly rearly have the hang of this, my friends are amazed when I get a coin out.
last night on smartlive casino 32 had just span in....I was saying right its going to be a black even high number next ...... BANG IT was 22.
if you follow my play and add you own ideas you can have a consistant bet like me, I know can bet every spin with results like this.
+1
+1
+0
+2
+1
-1
+1
+2
+2
-1
+1
+0
-1
-1
-1
-1
+1
-1
+0
+1
-2
+0
+3
+1
+1
+0
+0
-1
+1
-1
+0
+3
+1
+2
-3
+11units in 33spins ....... and never looked asif I was going to lose a PENNY.
ATLANTIS do you not have microsoft excel to do your tracking mate
MATTJONO
MATTJONO I dont understand your numbers there are you using a progression maybe you could explain them a little please
REgards Rodney
Hi MATTJONO,
Today I tested again with profit. This time I began by looking at the last number spun. Say it is 34. That is RED, EVEN and HIGH. [ R,? ; E,? ; H,?]
I waited for next number spun. #25 spun. That is RED, ODD and HIGH. So I used the THREE starting patterns of 2 events eg:
R,R
E,O
H,H
Sticking with these patterns (and only changing the second parameter when necessary after a loss) I was able to get more bets quicker and more multiple bets to achieve a 10 point target.
So far I think this is the BEST way of playing it :)
Will post an example using real numbers later.
Regards,
Atlantis.
PS. Thanks xman ffor the link.
Thanks atlantis... :)
I don't suppose you know where to get the same for DublinBet..??
topcat888
Quote from: atlantis on June 19, 2009, 01:31:09 PM
PS. Thanks xman ffor the link.
No Problem....
Just hope one of those links work....
'''''''MATTJONO I dont understand your numbers there are you using a progression maybe you could explain them a little please
REgards Rodney'''''''
Hi Rodney. I was not using any progression these numbers that I posed was the +/- on each of the 33spins, I was flatbetting on even chances here was the bets I placed for the 33 spins.
B,E,H
R
B,L
B,O
R,E,L
B,E,H
B,E,H
R,L
B,H
B,O,L
R,
B,H
B
B,E,H
H
R,E,H
R,O,H
R,O,H
L
E
B,E
NO BET
B,E,L
B,E,H
B,O,H
E,H
+11 units flatbetting.
.........................................................
Atlantis, and all
3
24
32
22
8
25
4
8
36
20 last times = B,B// E,E,E,E,O// NO BET ON HIGH.LOW (BETTING NEXT ON BLACK AND ODD)
11 +2 UNITS
hope you understand mate
glad your having the same success that im having. following the trends and never risking yout bankroll
mattjono
Hello, Mattjano. I think that this is very smart system.But I don't have success in Bet365 live casino.I play on 3 EC in your way.BRRBRR I will paly on B next and so for the other EC.But very often it's a zig-zag.After two R next is B and than after two R next is R and I not win very often.May be i miss something?!
I hope that you will continue to win.Bye
Hi MATTJONO,
You wrote:
Atlantis, and all
3
24
32
22
8
25
4
8
36
20 last times = B,B// E,E,E,E,O// NO BET ON HIGH.LOW (BETTING NEXT ON BLACK AND ODD)
11 +2 UNITS
hope you understand mate
------
I understand you placing the ODD bet after the 4 evens but having trouble understanding why you bet BLACK as well just before the 11 spun... as the previous numbers were Red, Black yet you state your trigger to bet is B,B. Please clarify.
A.
3
24
32
22
8
25-R
4-B
8-B
36-R
20-B -----betting B next because it went B,B last time.
hope you understand atlantis
JONO
Hi MATTJONO,
You wrote:
---
3
24
32
22
8
25-R
4-B
8-B
36-R
20-B -----betting B next because it went B,B last time.
hope you understand atlantis
-----
Ok. Fine - but I don't get why you did not bet:
3 - R
24 - B
32 - R
22 - B * why not betting Red for next spin here??
8 - B (-1)
25-R
4-B * why not betting black for next spin here?
8-B (+1)
36-R
20-B -----betting B next because it went B,B last time PLUS betting O because E,E,E,E,O last time
11-B (+2)
I still get same overall result as you: +2
Have I done it right?
A.
sorry atlantis
my fault. I should of said where I sat down and started betting.
3
24
32
22
8
25-R
4-B
8-B
36-R
20-B ----STARTED BACK TRACKING HERE (SAT DOWN AT TABLE) -betting B and O next.
MATTJONO
Hi MATTJONO,
I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
Regards,
Atlantis.
PS.topcat: I don't know about the DublinBet numbers. Sorry.
From the statistics we know that chops come twice the doubles and so further... The higher you start on streaks the less you will see them. The wait for e.g. 2 H and then bet H till they are gone you get more chances that wait for HHH and then bet. Chops come even more often then streaks and therefore if color changes to expect another chop gives a plenty of bets. Example on R/B: The doubles are the only enemies.
Red/Black Chop Streak
-------------------------------------------------
X - -
X 1u w 1u L bet both because we don't know which one comes next (the egg or the chicken? But we know that the egg was here before chicken)
X 1u w - follow the appeared one till break off
X 1y L
X 1u w
X 1u w
X 1u L
X 1u w
X 1u L
X 1u L
X 1u L
X 1u L
X 1u w
X 1u w and so on...
---------------------------------------------------------------
The doubles disadvantage could be overcome with flat progression (Carsch?) If 2 doubles come wait for clean streak of 3 or for clean chop of 2 before next bet.
X
X
X
? now bet streak to continue
or
X
X
X
X
? now bet chop to continue
Just an idea for ECs.
Cheers Hermes
"From the statistics we know that chops come twice the doubles and so further... "
......... ah if only that were true... see my post "law of probability not true" in the General Board section.
Check the "law of probability" thread here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/law-of-probability-not-true/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/law-of-probability-not-true/)
The forst test that i did went on -17 units from 500 real spins.
Its seem i shoud play the oposite way
Well I read the first post and it is a classical and is the same as to use RRR and play R again.
RR and play R same thing.
Needs progression can't be a period event for flat betting.
cheers
from my view the best option for playing this method is explained over here at the testing zone ---- nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/e-c-testing (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/e-c-testing)
if you follow the smart way with alot of patience and the correct money management (up as you win to make the most of the almost guarenteed streak) then im sure you can walk away with an extra 10units in your pocket.
MATTJONO
I know to much and done that and been there but i will read it and test it.
Cheers