Hello to all,
I am new at this site want to share some system/strategy I use for the last 3 years and it works quit well for me.
It is very easy to use and not based on fallacy. You win or you loose and if you loose accept you're losses.
It is called inverted Fibonacci with stop-loss and money management control.
Fibonacci sequence is:
1 1 2 3 5 8 ....... (you add 2 numbers and this will be the next number 1+1=2, 1+2 =3, 2+3 = 5,.....etc.)
The good thing about this system is when you loose you go 2 steps down in the range and when you win, you go 1 step up. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
1. As we all know the wheel has no memory and every spin is independent. It is for all flat bets in my case I use Red/BLACK. Stay to one colour because the outcome is independent of what will happen.
2. Consider a stop loss for yourself.
3. Decide for yourself how many times you want to win before you quit. (series of 5 stop)
4. Invest and save money for future plays.
5. Don't be greedy and take your profit!!! The longer you play the bigger the chance you will loose.
Bankroll needed: between 5-25 and depends on how much you want to invest and/or loose. Every sequence is 5 units.
Start 1 unit on BL/RED or other flat bet and stay on this.
1 BL win 1 total: 2
1 BL win 1 total: 3
2 BL win 2 total: 5
3 BL loose 3 total: 2 (next go down two steps and start with 1)
1 BL win 1 total: 3
1 BL loose 1 total: 2
1 BL win 1 total: 3
1 BL win 1 total: 4
2 BL win 2 total: 5
3 BL win 3 total: 8
5 BL win 5 total: 13
8 BL loose 8 total: 5 (next go down two steps and start with 3)
3 BL win 3 total: 8
5 BL win 5 total: 13
8 BL win 8 total: 21 (position 5 in the range and STOP)
Total net profit is 20 units!!!
IMPORTANT.
Decide for yourself or to start new sequence of 5 steps or take your 20 profit.
If you stop this sequence but you want to continue playing:
take of the 5 you invested initially
take of 5 and use this as backup
take of 5 and store this at home in safebox for future game play
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Start new 5 step sequence at other table from the last 5 of the 20 profit.
I never play more then 3 to 5 series in total. (Investment of 15 to 25 units)
During last 3 years I won about 70 – 80% of the time.
System can also be used for one line casinos with RNG but never play more then 20 minutes strait
because then they start to suck you empty.
Good luck to all.
Jettonbuster 8)
QuoteFibonacci sequence is 1 1 2 3
Nice to see.
Fibonacci is the best.
It make you win when you have a string of winning bets and let you lose less when you have a long serie of losing bets.
You can extand it with just apply it when you are down and under zero point.
Lets assume you are up +10 units then you can keep flat-betting until you hit zero point and then puch a littel with Fibo.
But again it depends on how you play.
If you have a bet that follow the wheel then it is a good idea.
Maybe i can show you how to at bet selection section if you want.
Cheers
in your example you had, by chance, 12 winning bets and 3 losing bets, so is
QuoteTotal net profit is 20 units!!!
supposed to impress me?
Quotesupposed to impress me?
Why should he?
He does not care if you think it is good or not he just made a point about Fibo and i agree it is a good staking plan...
Cheers
maybe it's a good staking plan, maybe not, but if I make 15 EC bets in a row I don't usually get 12 winners and 3 losers right off the bat so it's not a realistic example of what to expect, for me anyway. I'd rather see what happens if you lose half or more of your bets, which is a little more likely (and yes, if someone throws 3 exclamation points after a statement, they are trying to impress you!!!)
Quotethey are trying to impress you
How hard can it be to win 8 9 10 11 12 out of 12 here I just pick some random numbers and use 123.
2
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W 10 WON 2 LOSS
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
1 W 9 won 3 LOSS
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
I guess I'm missing something, it looks to me like the examples given show a majority of winning decisions over losing decisions, which anyone would win with flat bets, sorry I don't get it.
Quotewhich anyone would win with flat bets
No one talks about flat betting as you can read at the first post this is about FIBO and it is not hard to find more winning bets with in 12 trails.
Every thing goes up and down and come in waves depending on how you play.
Flat betting you can do when you are up and use fibo when you are below zero point.
Cheers
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when you make statements like...
"How hard can it be to win 8 9 10 11 12 out of 12"
or
"it is not hard to find more winning bets with in 12 trails"
when on every ec bet you make you have slightly less than a 50% chance of winning, and this is what your total count of wins and losses will also likely be in all your sets of outcomes.
QuoteEvery thing goes up and down and come in waves depending on how you play.
Yes it is a 50/50 but still you will have up and downs and they will come in waves.
It is sad that your brain have limits to grasp that.
Up and Downs playing even money bets:
2
2 W 1 +1
2 L 1 +0
1 W 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
1
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
1 W 1 +9
1 L 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
2 W 1 +10
1 W 1 +11
1 W 1 +12
1 L 1 +11
2 W 1 +12
1 L 1 +11
2 W 1 +12
2 L 1 +11
1 W 1 +12
2 L 1 +11
1 W 1 +12
1 L 1 +11
1 L 1 +10
2 W 1 +11
1 L 1 +10
1 L 1 +9
2 W 1 +10
2 W 1 +11
2 L 1 +10
2 L 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
2
1
1 W 1 +9
2 W 1 +10
2 W 1 +11
1 W 1 +12
2 L 1 +11
1 W 1 +12
2 W 1 +13
1 W 1 +14
1 L 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
1 L 1 +11
1
2
1 L 1 +10
1 L 1 +9
1 L 1 +8
2
2 W 1
2 L 1
1 W 1
2 L 1
1 W 1
1 L 1
2 W 1
2 W 1
2 L 1
1 W 1
1 W 1
2 W 1
1 L 1
2 W 1
1 W 1
1 L 1
2 W 1
2 W 1
2 L 1
2 L 1
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
1 L
2
2 W
1 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L
2
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
1
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
Cheers
I bet you have never won 12 out of 12 bets in your life. It is sad that someone who obviously has no real experience at a real casino is making stupid theoretical examples.
Good lucky to you and I hope you will find what you are looking for :)
QuoteIt is sad that someone who obviously has no real experience at a real casino is making stupid theoretical examples.
Its okay by me and I have been playing the game for 15 years and I am doing well.
And there is no one that can change the fact that fibo is the best there is.
I can even give you lessons and show you how to win and still not winning with every step using a progression.
Just let me know.
Cheers
When I was testing the aggressive variant of Mattjono's smart way I won 15 ec bets in 15. It was a bizarre occurence. Rare, but it can happen. It was a mechanical bet, so it was lucky more than anything, but three series I was betting on dominated for about 60 spins. I think it comes down to the logic of the bet selection.
fine I will study it and see how it holds up on my real spins. maybe it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Is this post supposed to be in Money management?
Quotefine I will study it and see how it holds up on my real spins.
Well firs you can begin with to ask how you play 123 and it was for demonstration.
I think there is better ways to play then just aim for short series.
The point that is made is that fibo after you pass zero point is good.
If you are above you just flat-betting and ride the good waves with winnings.
And there is many hybrids that you can use for that.
Cheers
Here is some real numbers from TwoCatSam: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/the-twocat-5000/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/the-twocat-5000/)
Drawdown -7 units High-peak 12 units
With many exit points if you want to end the game and still be ahead
And as you can see you hit 7 and 10 out of 12.
L
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
Z L 2 -4
H L 3 -7
H
L
L W 5 -2
L L 1 -3
L L 1 -4
L
L
H
H W 2 -2
H L 1 -3
H L 1 -4
H
H
H
L
L W 2 -2
H W 1 -1
H W 1 +0
L W 1 +1
L W 1 +2
L L 1 +1
H W 1 +2
L L 1 +1
L L 1 +0
L L 1 -1
L
H L
L W 1 +0
L L 1 -1
L L 1 -2
H W 2 +0
H W 1 +1
L W 1 +2
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
L W 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L
L W 2 +0
H W 1 +1
L L 1 +0
L L 1 -1
H W 2 +0
L L 1 -1
H W 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
L W 1 +2
L L 1 +1
H W 1 +2
L L 1 +1
H W 1 +2
L W 1 +3
H W 1 +4
L W 1 +5
H W 1 +6
L W 1 +7
L L 1 +6
H W 1 +7
H W 1 +8
L W 1 +9
H L 1 +8
L W 1 +9
L L 1 +8
L L 1 +7
H W 1 +8
H W 1 +9
L W 1 +10
L W 1 +11
H W 1 +12
L L 1 +11
Z L 1 +10
L L 1 +9
L
H
H W 1 +10
L W 1 +11
H L 1 +10
H L 1 +9
L W 1 +10
H L 1 +9
H L 1 +8
H L 1 +7
L
L W 1 +8
H W 1 +9
L L 1 +8
L L 1 +7
L L 1 +6
L
H
L L 1 +5
L L 1 +4
L L 1 +3
H
Z L 1 +2
L L 1 +1
L L 1 +0
H W 1 +1
L L 1 +0
L L 1 -1
H W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
L W 1 +2
H W 1 +3
H L 1 +2
L W 1 +3
H L 1 +2
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
Z
L
L W 1 +1
H W 1 +2
H W 1 +3
L W 1 +4
H L 1 +3
H L 1 +2
L W 1 +3
H L 1 +2
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H
L
L W 1 +1
H W 1 +2
H W 1 +3
L W 1 +4
H L 1 +3
L W 1 +4
H W 1 +5
H L 1 +4
H L 1 +3
H L 1 +2
H
L
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L
L W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
L L 1 +0
H W 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
L W 1 +1
H W 1 +2
H W 1 +3
H L 1 +2
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H
L
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
H L 2 -4
L
H L 3 -7
L W 5 -2
L L 1 -3
L L 1 -4
Cheers
Hi guys,
there two mistakes in this Fibo-Try
1. If you bet 1 unit as long as you win and start progressing after a loss with 2 3 5 ... you win (2 units in the first example) more than in the original way. (after two wins or WLW)
2. If the progression would work, it should work also on the opposite bet.
that means: if the example is betting on R countercheck it with betting on B.
It has to win both ways!
br
winkel
Quotethere two mistakes in this Fibo-Try
1. If you bet 1 unit as long as you win and start progressing after a loss with 2 3 5 ... you win (2 units in the first example) more than in the original way. (after two wins or WLW)
2. If the progression would work, it should work also on the opposite bet.
that means: if the example is betting on R countercheck it with betting on B.
It has to win both ways!
1) There is no mistakes in this Fibo 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 and so on you could even use 1 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 and so on.
2) Yes you can play Fibo with any bet selection you want no matter if it is B/R H/L or O/E
3)The illustration above is correct and it use a Fibo below zero point and flat-betting with winnings when you are above.
If you think it is to far away from Fibo i can call it Whittaker progression lol
Maybe you find a detail about the above demonstration then its okay because it is made by hand.
And you don't need to win every step using a prog to end up with a profit.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi LS,
I think you got me wrong.
I said there is a mistake in the construction not in the Fibo
br
winkel
QuoteYes it is a 50/50 but still you will have up and downs and they will come in waves.
It is sad that your brain have limits to grasp that.
I guess if you stick to one even chance, like Black or Red or Banker or Player, then one or the other will dominate during some limited sequences. I guess my sad brain can grasp that concept.
simon this is how you play 123 and the idea is not complete
First you play red or black because you don't know which one will hit.
Then if you win you play the same again so you try to win with a serie of two.
If it win you play against the serie of two to become a serie of two.
It it win you play that the new win will become a serie of two again.
If you win you first bet and lose you secound bet you play you will get a serie of two singles in a row.
If it wins you continue to play that it will produce singles.
If it lose you will have a serie of two and play against it as I mention above.
If you win your first bet and lose 3 times in a row you start over where there is a new colour after a switch from you last losing bets or you continue to play every hand.
If you continue you have to decide if you are going to use a level where you play for series to continue or against.
It becomes a littel complex because they sequenses does not end the same way.
Here is a good session:
1 L 1 -1
2 L 1 -2
1 W 2 +0
1 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
2 w 1 +1
1 w 1 +2
1 w 1 +3
2 w 1 +4
2 w 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
2 W 1 +10
1 W 1 +11
1 W 1 +12
1 L 1 +11
2 W 1 +12
1 L 1 +11
1 L 1 +10
2 W 1 +11
2 W 1 +12
1 W 1 +13
1 W 1 +14
2 W 1 +15
2 W 1 +16
2 L 1 +15
2 L 1 +14
1 W 1 +15
2 L 1 +14
2 L 1 +13
1 W 1 +14
1 W 1 +15
1 L 1 +14
1 L 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
1
2
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
2
2
1
1 W
2 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
1
1 W
2 L
1 L
1 L
1
2
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 W
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L
1
2
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L
1
2
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
2
2
2
1
2 L
2 L
2 L
2
2
1
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W
1 W
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
If you get a session like that is very hard to get down to zero point and below and start using fibo.
If you get a bad session you just break even and start all over again.
Cheers LS
Here you can test it on nolinks.random.org (nolinks://nolinks.random.org) they have a generator at the site put in 0 and 1 and play with a not pad or use RX if you have it.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg16.imageshack.us%2Fimg16%2F862%2Frgenerator.gif&hash=75ecf4a1367cc5a44392651d7ec74d631f7c233a)
Lucky me i test it and get a nice sequense:
L 1 -1
L 1 -2
W 2 +0
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
W 1 +3
L 1 +2
W 1 +3
W 1 +4
W 1 +5
W 1 +6
W 1 +7
L 1 +6
W 1 +7
W 1 +8
W 1 +9
L 1 +8
W 1 +9
W 1 +10
L 1 +9
W 1 +10
L 1 +9
L 1 +8
L 1 +7
Cheers
I just run it for 500 and want to mention that you can get a very bad run and hovering around -10 and then there is no point to try to break even just take the loss.
Make any changes to it and maybe there is a way to use triggers and another staking plan.
Its up to you.
I post this in the first place for demonstartaion only.
Cheers
I wouldn't recommend using random.org's binary RNG because of the lack of the zero (i.e. house edge). As far as testing is concerned, best thing is to use real spin records or a genuine roulette RNG.
Quote from: Lucky Strike on July 04, 2009, 02:18:14 PM
I just run it for 500 and want to mention that you can get a very bad run and hovering around -10 and then there is no point to try to break even just take the loss.
Lol, it's because no progression/staking plan can alter the odds to the player's favor.
I only recommend using staking plans once you find a bet selection that:
1) Gives you the edge in the long haul.
or
2) Keeps you hovering around the zero point with no brutal fluctuations (in the long run), the staking plan would then serve to ride the light dispersions that are left.
Easier said than done though.
Marv
QuoteI wouldn't recommend using random.org's binary RNG because of the lack of the zero (I.e. house edge). As far as testing is concerned, best thing is to use real spin records or a genuine roulette RNG.
That is a joke.
Random.org is the best and there is no need for zero to be a part of it.
If you are a noob then i can see the need that you have to practice how to play when zero strikes.
If you are a pro you just keep playing and following your road map and reduce your gain when zero strikes.
Cheers
Quote from: Lucky Strike on July 04, 2009, 02:29:01 PM
That is a joke.
Random.org is the best and there is no need for zero to be a part of it.
If you are a noob then I can see the need that you have to practice how to play when zero strikes.
If you are a pro you just keep playing and following your road map and reduce your gain when zero strikes.
What?
That
could work for a few short term sessions, but when it comes to conducting a REAL test (over a statistically relevant sample size, such as 10K placed bets, up to other sizes such as 100K and 1 million, etc.) then having that zero included in your spin samples WILL make a difference, and that is make you lose.
Using binary 0/1 samples is the same as playing a no edge wheel. Good for short term practice, good for seeing random fluctuations etc. But not good for conducting real long term roulette tests.
You should know this already Patrik, you have much more experience with the game than I do.
Respectfully,
Marv
HAHAHAHA you are so funny and i would like to know who talks about edge?
Okay lets assume we let Marven tell us what we all know again.
1) There is no edge playing even money bets or any other way you want to turnaround numbers and play.
2) The house edge will never go away.
3) There is no escape from fluctation.
4) No progression change any thing and you can't beat the game flat betting.
A) If you want to play the game and have some fun you can use flat betting and progression.
B) You can do so and risk less money then using an agressive staking plan like martingale.
C) This is not a Holy Grail because it does not exist.
D) If you don't know how to place your bets when zero strikes, then don't play.
Cheers
QuoteThat could work for a few short term sessions, but when it comes to conducting a REAL test (over a statistically relevant sample size, such as 10K placed bets, up to other sizes such as 100K and 1 million, etc.) then having that zero included in your spin samples WILL make a difference, and that is make you lose.
And I have won over 800 000 with actuals and zero did not have any serios effect on that.
So when you talk and make statment don't try to bullshit some one who has been there and done that.
Cheers
Quote from: Lucky Strike on July 04, 2009, 03:20:39 PM
A) If you want to play the game and have some fun you can use flat betting and progression.
B) You can do so and risk less money then using an agressive staking plan like martingale.
C) This is not a Holy Grail because it does not exist.
D) If you don't know how to place your bets when zero strikes, then don't play.
A) That's called gambling, no thanks.
B) That's called gambling, no thanks.
C) That's called gambling, no thanks.
D) Are you serious? Unless you're psychic or use physics, how would you know if the zero will or won't hit again once it does hit?
Quote from: Lucky Strike on July 04, 2009, 03:24:07 PM
And I have won over 800 000 with actuals and zero did not have any serios effect on that.
800.000 placed flat bets? I doubt.
Quote from: Lucky Strike on July 04, 2009, 03:24:07 PM
So when you talk and make statment don't try to bullshit some one who has been there and done that.
Calm down, it's just a harmless debate. :)
Regards,
Marven
Quote800.000 placed flat bets?
The test was made with an 12 step fibo progression that did not win at every step.
It did not fail but if I would continue it would fail at some point as every thing.
QuoteThat's called gambling, no thanks.
Gambling -lol- what are you doing here?
This is a gambling forum not a forum for advance play!
There is one section and I don't see you make any posts there.
I only see you making post about gambling.
Maybe I am wrong then plz correct me.
If you have made a post about advance play then I would like to have the link so I can read about it.
QuoteCalm down
No need I am :)
And to begin with no one ask you to play this way and no one ask you to tell us what we alredy know.1) There is no edge playing even money bets or any other way you want to turnaround numbers and play.
2) The house edge will never go away.
3) There is no escape from fluctation.
4) No progression change any thing and you can't beat the game flat betting.Cheers
There are always two ways to reply:
1. the intelligent and constructive way: I proof, why this is going wrong and give hints where the problems are.
2. the ever stupid way: I recall what all Nay-Sayers claim: Nothing ever worked so nothing will ever work.
solution: Throw all out who fit into possibility #2.
There is no need to have them here.
br
winkel
*sighs*
Quote from: Lucky Strike on July 04, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
There is one section and I don't see you make any posts there.
I only see you making post about gambling.
Maybe I am wrong then plz correct me.
If you have made a post about advance play then I would like to have the link so I can read about it.
Where I chose to post and not post is none of your business mate, nor is it of any relevance to this discussion. But if you insist, I do have some interest in advantage play, but I couldn't be further from mastering it because right now I am more into the study of randomness and human-based strategy play, and my posting naturally reflect that.
Now back on topic
(which you seem to be avoiding and attacking me instead just because I don't agree with you):
You come to other threads and mention some obscurely explained random against random bet selection with a static rule and claim that no one can prove it loses because it can keep you up in profit for 5 years, while at the same time admitting that nothing but advantage play can give an edge.
You come to this thread and say it's not that hard to win 12 out of 12 EC bets, etc. And when someone who is smart enough to notice that that is an absurd claim questions it, you respond to him: "It is sad that your brain have limits to grasp that." backing your argument with "results come in waves".
You keep posting good sequences like this, just to back your claims:
Quote from: I have cookies on July 04, 2009, 10:11:50 AM
L 1 -1
L 1 -2
W 2 +0
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
W 1 +3
L 1 +2
W 1 +3
W 1 +4
W 1 +5
W 1 +6
W 1 +7
L 1 +6
W 1 +7
W 1 +8
W 1 +9
L 1 +8
W 1 +9
W 1 +10
L 1 +9
W 1 +10
L 1 +9
L 1 +8
L 1 +7
Are you serious? I have been playing nothing but the EC's and came to know very well how they perform on average. And yes, simon is right.
I have an idea on what types of patterns they produce, and can evaluate their levels of elegance, tendencies in pattern distribution (whether towards statistical balance or lasting dominance on either sides), dominances in the raw outcomes (in relation to a determined baseline) and their different durations. Etc...
Does this tell you anything? It's a whole field of study, and just because you're not into it doesn't give you the right to say that anything that isn't under the category of advantage play is considered "gambling".
You also said that there is no need for the zero to be part of testing spin samples because it doesn't make a difference. And it displeases you that I disagree with such silly claim, saying: "HAHAHAHA you are so funny and I would like to know who talks about edge?"
Well I have one thing to say mate: If you DO know about the house edge, then act like it.
Quote from: Lucky Strike on July 04, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
lol- what are you doing here?
What am I doing? I'm not taking everything you say for granted, that's what I'm doing.
Whenever you post something, make sure you can maturely take and react to critique, or don't post in the first place.
PS. I know whom to contact if this post ever gets deleted.
Thanks,
Marven
QuoteWhere I chose to post and not post is none of your business mate,
If I post a system then there is none of your business mate and if I want a no sayer around to tell us what we all know I let you know
QuoteYou come to other threads and mention some obscurely explained random against random bet selection with a static rule and claim that no one can prove it loses because it can keep you up in profit for 5 years, while at the same time admitting that nothing but advantage play can give an edge.
I have made two tests that pass 5 years of play.
Regarding random against random I say it can last one week or for ever.
But I have not test it that is up to any one to do that want to use it.
Maybe it fails twice in 100 000 or none.
QuoteYou come to this thread and say it's not that hard to win 12 out of 12 EC bets
You can get 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 out of 12 any one can test it by them self they are not stypid
And you get many sequenses when it happens.
QuoteWhat am I doing? I'm not taking everything you say for granted, that's what I'm doing.
I don't ask any one to take any-thing for granted they have to read test and explore like I do :)
Cheers
QuoteThere are always two ways to reply:
1. the intelligent and constructive way: I proof, why this is going wrong and give hints where the problems are.
2. the ever stupid way: I recall what all Nay-Sayers claim: Nothing ever worked so nothing will ever work.
solution: Throw all out who fit into possibility #2.
There is no need to have them here.
br
winkel
Regarding point 2 it would be easy I am a mod.
But I don't have any-thing against Marven's opinions.
Because I know that when you know there is no roulette system that will gain you an edge you can feel like you want to save the world from using one.
I have also been there but then I understand that advance play is not for every one.
Some just want to have some fun playing and get some food at there visit at a local casino.
Winkel
I think there is so many sad categories
Some think they will use a roulette system and make a living on playing roulette.
So they search the forum for different methods and some think they will find a Holy Grail.
Then there some that think advance play is the solution and end up with buying them self a roulette computer.
There is not many who know what it takes to learn and use VB.
Winkel I agree this is a never ending story at this forum.
If some one want to run 123 until it fails be my guest.
All gambling system fails.
But that will not keep me from posting systems or reply to them.
I still having fun, no-sayers have nothing to gain if they try to stop me from posting in this section.
Cheers
Where I can FInd material for VB ?
QuoteWhere I can FInd material for VB ?
1)A basic book from Laurance Scott goes for 299$.
Then he has an Advance book for 499$ with software.
He has a private forum 99$ for 1 year member-chip.
2)Then if you speak germany you have Pierre Basieux.
3)Jefco's VB
4)Foresters forum where you can read about very good roulette computers.
And there is an advance section with some great posts.
5)Use the chat room here at vls.com and talk to advantage players.
6)The best thing is to have a friend to split the money with for all the material.
Stop by the chat room and we can talk :)
Cheers
@i habe cookies. . .
do you speak German? When yes, let us talk.
cu
nexus
Quote@I habe cookies. . .
do you speak German? When yes, let us talk.
cu
nexus
Sorry i don't.
I have some one who translate Pierre Basieux document and UWE methods for me.
Cheers