There are 4 skills required to turn yourself into the 0. 5% minority that are considered TRUE professional players.
I did not pluck that figure out from thin air either. Having worked at the highest level in the industry for many years, I can tell you that if I had 5000 members, only 25 would give me much cause for concern. The other 4,995 were always welcome with open arms.
SKILL 1. Bet Selection (without a winning bet selection, you are an also ran)
SKILL 2. Bankroll (Bankroll is King, if you don't have sufficient funding, you are in big trouble)
SKILL 3. Money Management (you need to know excactly how much to bet and when to push and when to back off)
SKILL 4. Patience and Discipline (if you don't have any, then forget it)
4 skills that only 25 people from 5000 have down to a fine art.
Where do you fit in?
Maybe you just play for fun! I use to love players who just played for fun.
Maybe you play systems! I love system players. They lose more than players who play for fun.
Maybe you count cards! Brilliant, only 25 from 5000 could win.
So we should have a look at the 4 skills.
SKILL 1. Bet Selection. There is no winning bet selection on any forum that I can find. All I see is the same old rubbish that never worked for the last 50 years and that is not going to change no matter how many times you put a fancy new dress on it.
Dealers signature and wheel bias. This is one of the biggest myths going about. Out of the hundreds that try and fail, a few get lucky and think they are on to something. The dealers spend all day and night b***hing about the rude customers and moaning about lack of breaks. They don't land the ball on the number with the least chips on it. They don't really give a f**k if you win or lose. So all the crap about dealers spinning against players is paranoid claptrap.
SKILL 2. Bankroll. Most players who step into the casino leave their brains out in the car park. They must think the bankroll will make up for all the other shortcomings.
SKILL 3. Money Management. A fool and his money are soon parted.
SKILL 4. Patience and Discipline. If you have read this far, there might be some hope for you yet.
I am going to cover all 4 skills and show you what you need to know. Unfortunately the bad news is that only 0. 5% of you will make any real use of it. I am not the messiah. You don't need to thank me because the odds are you are more likely to be one of the 99. 5% and stay there.
Over the course of the next week I will tell you what you need to know and then skdaddle.
Hey Elmo! I've been saying that bet selection is god for years and people just laugh at me. Without a winning bet selection, your other 3 skills are useless, stay home. And if you do have a winning bet selection, the other 3 skills are still far down the list. BS is everything, without it you will always be a loser. MM and patience and BR all come when you have the BS nailed.
And .05% is being generous. I'd say its closer to .02%. As an example, I saw a guy playing airball roulette the other day. He was playing furthest back dozens and columns. He'd see a dozen that slept for 6 spins and bet half the numbers in the dozen with a progression. He went right up to the house limit twice and won over $1500 both times. The bells went off because its a machine setup and they had to come and get his IRS info and pay him off. This got him a lot of attention and people were always trying to figure out his 'system'. He wasn't winning all that much, he was just getting his progression money back. He did OK, I'd say he made about $800. He was one agogant jerk. I guarantee he thought he was a pro and he's just a train wreck waiting to happen. He will get back to back sessions eventually that will wipe him out, but in the meantime he's Joe the Pro.
"Bet Selection (without a winning bet selection, you are an also ran)", said elmo. OK, that seems very logical.
"Bet Selection. There is no winning bet selection on any forum that I can find.", he said in the main body of the article. So elmo, I must ask the obvious question: Is there NO winning bet selection or just none on any forum you have found. In other words, is there a winning system--other than Spike's--floating around out there we don't know about? Your sentence leaves a lot of wiggle room.
I am anxious to read more. I will readily admit I am in the vast majority trying to scratch my way into the minority.
Sam
Is there NO winning bet selection or just none on any forum you have found.>>
Ask yourself this. In all the treasure maps found on the net, how many lead to real treasure? In a book on roulette wtitten 100 years ago, the author says if you have a winning system, keep it to yourself. Nothing has changed.
wow, how brilliant, if you have a good bet selection you can do good, who'd a thunk it?
Skill No.5 To restrain yourself to spend to much time on roulette forums to look for a winning BS. Why? Because it will never be found there... I'm affraid you've to do all of the hard work yourself.....
Don't forget the all important...
Skill No.6
Training yourself to consume moderate to copious amounts of alcohol and actively attempt to pick up spunky chicks while slaying the roulette table with your amazingly invincible BS.
Doing all this while busting to go to the toilet makes you a true Master of Roulette. 8)
I'm affraid you've to do all of the hard work yourself.....>>
Amen to that.. Its just like working a gold mine, if you don't do it alone, all your partners will steal you blind..
hmmm, and if there is no advantaged bet in roulette (highly unlikely), then it's really the other skills that are more important.
... gee, I think everyone since the history of gambling has been saying for years an advantaged bet would be great... what a revelation....
Hi Elmo,
Welcome to this great forum.
I love this
QuoteMaybe you play systems! I love system players. They lose more than players who play for fun
.
Most of my losses are due to my systems.
One quick question; Roulette is a "game of chance" Do you think player skills does matter? In my opinion all these skills will help you to lose slowly and steadily over a period of time! you can check simon's thread on GIVE UP
I gave up this game happily.
Thanks
HS
In the late 70's I was just starting out in the casino industry. It was all very exciting for me and it seemed like a different world. It did not take me long to figure out why. This is what kept the gamblers coming back every night to escape reality. The excitement of it all soon wore thin as I saw countless people lose night after night and it was shocking to see people go down the slippery slope of self destruction. We had the occasional times when a gambler hit a lucky streak but that just encouraged them even more before the winnings came back to the house. I used to enjoy dealing the cards more than the roulette. It was a more sombre affair and the players seemed to be a lot more in control of themself. After a few years I worked my way up to an inspector. I had to watch over the table to make sure things were running smoothly. Three middle aged gentlemen who appeared to be in their 50's started coming in a few times a week and I remember thinking early on that something was different about them. They never really chatted to anybody and just sat at the roulette table for about an hour or so. Then regardless if they were winning or not would just cash in and leave. They sat at different ends of the table and each marked a card which we supplied. One would play the red/black. The other odd/even and the third played the high/low. When I was inspecting, I paid close attention to these guys. At first I thought that they were up to no good. They always bought chips from the bank to play at the table and I noticed often that they would start hiding the chips away and very rarely cashed in chips at the table. In fact my manager would sometimes come over and tell them to remember to cash in all their chips. Over the next 6 months, they came in regular and just seemed to keep winning. I had never seen anyone have so much luck in the few years that I had been working there. A few of the old timers who worked there said that in time they would just give it all back and to let them have their fun. After a year we reckoned they had took us for over 100k+. For a few months the general manager had been threatening to terminate the memberships of all three gentlemen because he could not tolerate them winning anymore. The luck they enjoyed was far and away above anything that was considered within reason. So after the christmas of 1982 he barred them. I remember joking with him that if I knew the system they were playing, I would pack in the job and travel the world playing roulette. That did not go down very well with him at the time. In the mid 80's I emigrated to Australia with my late wife. She was an Australian citizen and wanted to be near her parents as they were getting older. I wanted a change in career and ended up selling Encyclopedia Brittanica for a few years. It was a challenge and I actually enjoyed it. The commission was very good and it paid the bills. My wife died suddenly in 1988 and it was not a good time for me over the next year or so. I did not go to work and I had no real friends over there because I had spent most of my time in Australia working. I started going to the casino and I guess it was more for comfort and been in familiar surroundings more than anything else. Anyhow I got into gambling and I can honestly say my luck was terrible. In the summer of 1990 while I was up in Brisbane looking for work I went to the casino a few times. On my second last visit there I recognised one of the gentlemen from the casino I used to work in. I thought what a small world and we got chatting and had a few beers. It turned out that his mother lived in Brisbane and he had been living in Brisbane for the last year or so. After the few beers I thought it was a good time to ask him about the roulette winnings with his partners. He told me that he was a professional casino gambler and that he had made a small fortune through playing roulette over the last 10 years. Needless to say I was very keen on finding out what his system was. He told me that he really could not tell me because of the agreement he had with various parties. I told him that I was in a very bad situation and really needed to make some money fast. I gave him my address down in Sydney and told him to look me up if he was ever down that way. About 3 months later he got in contact with me and said he may have a solution to my problem. He asked me to consider becoming a partner with him and that way he could let me in on the system. I sold my car and most of my belongings and flew up to Brisbane hoping this would really help me out. Over the next year we played the system as often as possible and we really made some decent money. I eventually came back home in 93 and was soon back working in the industry and playing in my spare time. It took me a good while to find a few people who I could trust to play the system with me. I retired 5 years ago and have been playing roulette since with my partners. There are ups and downs with the system but it has always shown profits for the last 20 years for those who have played it. I suppose I could have played the system full time but working always seemed to keep my feet on the ground and that brief time in Sydney when I mostly just gambled was an unhappy time for me. This is why I mention the 4 skills. If anybody thinks that they can become a full time professional gambler, I can honestly tell you most of you will never make it and it could ruin your life. Better to keep a job, learn the 4 skills and play part time to give yourself a comfortable lifestyle. Well that is almost my life story and I will be sharing the 4 skills with you over the next week because I know that I can't take them with me when my time is up.
Hi Elmo
Very interesting post thank you....looking forward to the rest.
TSK
you people are so naive-- can't you see this is a big come on? do you think he is typing this up for the first time here and now? can't you see what's coming next? it's so obvious...
He told me that he was a professional casino gambler and that he had made a small fortune through playing roulette>>>
Was he old and Chinese? In this type of story the guy is almost always Chinese. I'm trying to be positive about you, Elmo, but I've seen your story in various versions about 2 dozen time. I'm still giving you the benefit of the doubt, however, and am interested in hearing more. What I mean is, these are stories that are usually circulated by system sellers. Say it ain't so, Elmo..
I don't care if it's fiction; it's darned good writing! If he wrote a book, I'd buy it!
Carry on, elmo.
Sam
My above story is 100% accurate and true. I have no reason to lie and make things up. I am dissapointed in some of the comments because I have never stated any intention of not telling the members here what the 4 skills involve. I am not new to forums in general and people do have a right to be sceptical. Especially on gambling related forums where there are claims to winning systems every other day. I would however like to be judged after I have presented my system and not before.
Hi Elmo,
Please present your system,
there are a lot of us that will be very interested to learn,
Regards,
Davemd.
The problem is that we have heard these kind of storys a hundred times before on this forum. And they allways lead to nothing, except for some kind of amusement for the writer... So as you can imagine, most of us are tired and frustrated when one of these storys pops up again....
But if you really want to share, thats great, and we will thank you for it......
I propose to start with the bet selection first. This is the most important part. Without it the other 3 skills are not relevant. The aim is to have a 3 win streak on any one of the even money bets. Also I parlay the bet looking for a return of 8 units for the 1 unit invested. I will type out the runs you could see on the red/black, odd/even and high/low.
1. red red red
2. red black red
3. red red black
4. red black black
5. black black black
6. black red black
7. black black red
8. black red red
1. odd odd odd
2. odd even odd
3. odd odd even
4. odd even even
5. even even even
6. even odd even
7. even even odd
8. even odd odd
1. high high high
2. high low high
3. high high low
4. high low low
5. low low low
6. low high low
7. low low high
8. low high high
Any one of these will return 8 units for a starting bet of 1 unit.
Hi Elmo,
Keep going, I'm all ears! And thanks for sharing.
Cheers
CD
So if I see red red red, what should my next bet be?
Hi Elmo,
Sounds really interesting, i like that you have beeen working in the industry on both sides of the table. Makes me curius to learn more about your way of play.
Please continue to explain.
Best Regards
Kingpin
as always i thought i would try and have a guess at some methods.
16,-R
22,-B
10,-B
18,-R
33,-B
9,-R
23,-R
17,-B
17,-B
11,-B
34,-R
23,-R
1. red red red = 0
2. red black red = 1
3. red red black = 1
4. red black black = 2
5. black black black = 1
6. black red black = 1
7. black black red = 2
8. black red red = 2
from the 12 spins shown above we have had 10 sets of 3 streaks, we could maybe play for streaks of R,B,B- B,B,R- B,R,R as they are leading. i think in the next 12 spins we will see another 10 sets of 3 streaks and im sure we will see a thew hits from the streak combos that where leading in the first set of 12 spins.
16,-R
22,-B
10,-B
18,-R
33,-B
9,-R
23,-R
17,-B
17,-B
11,-B
34,-R
23,-R---we are now playing these streaks R,B,B- B,B,R- B,R,R ==== 1 unit on red + 2 units on black next
22,-B---we are now at stage 2 of B,B,R - B,R,R ===== 2 unit on red + 2 units on black next
13,-B---we are now at stage 3 of B,B,R===== 4 units on red next
12, R won we hit B,B,R
:-X
bet im the only one who gets my mad ideas, but hay atleast i tried i could be on the right track atleast.
thanks alot Elmo, i Love your story and could read storys like that all day long, the funny thing is im off to blackpool today to apply for a croupier training course :yahoo:
Regards
MATTJONO
Quote from: MATTJONO on July 20, 2009, 06:37:06 AM
the funny thing is im off to blackpool today to apply for a croupier training course :yahoo:
Hey good luck with that Matt ;)
I for one am looking forward to getting some info from VLS's insider :good:
Hello MATTJONO,
Good Luck!!! Wish you success.
Regards
sniper
MATTJONO,
Good luck with that, mate! :thumbsup:
We may form little VLS UK & Europe team and come to play at your table, it'd be fun! ;D
Regards,
Lupo
Hi Mattjono
Sounds great mate..good luck good luck :good:
TSK
I'm still wondering, Elmo, if I see red red red, whats the next bet? Or red red black.
u think he is gona tell u???? ;D
if he knew he wouldn t be here!!!
he would be in a pool at his villa with 3 playboy bannies
The holy grail is to learn remote viewing and view the color that you are going to play on the first spin when you even enter the casino! (sarcasm)
u think he is gonna tell u>>>
I don't understand, then. Posting a bunch of sequences without telling you where to place the next wager, is not bet selection. Its just a bunch of sequences.
:thumbsup:
The Spiders Kiss,
mistarlupo,
sniper,
xman1970.
:good:
Cheers my good friends all your luck to me did come in handy i usualy expect the worst but the training place was soo layed back i cannot wait to start. and if i am a good trainee and obiously a good croupier then i could even have a guarenteed job at the end of the course at a casino or cruise ship.
funny but not funny-- i got of the train in blackpool after the 1 hour travelling (had the idea that the collage was 15 mins walk max from the train startion).... nope i walked 40mins north then asked a man where the collage was and he said i had atleast another 1 hour walk :haha: i dont mind walking at all i find it relaxing and good for thinking straight, but the trainers i had on was my friends (mine are a bit of a mess)..anyway the trainers i was wearing i ended up having to take the sole out as i was getting bad blisters...anyway i sort of hobbled there o.k and took the pain when i got there.
owel i should be starting in september so i felt good and walked another 1:30mins back to the train station ''no pain'' ''no pain'' ''no pain''
regards
mattjono
P.S. Hi elmo are we going to get any more info on this bet selection.....
Well done mattjono,
hope all goes well for you m8 :good:
Elmo please continue with the 4 skills,
we are all eager to find out,
Davemd.
The only thing i can see is the principal of 1/3.
It is a different story to show how to use them.
There exist two effective ways of doing so.
Cheers
I think you can take skills 1-3 and make it into 2. And skill 5 (not listed) is you must have BRASS BALLS, which is not #4. Ken
I practice and play the EC's 4-6 hours a day and I must say I'm disappointed were not getting more than few sequences. There has to more to it than that.
What happened to this thread? Elmo was going to give us the details of bet selection and he never did.
Hi Elmo,
please continue with the 4 skills,
Regards,
Davemd.
Hey Elmo
Your public awaits.
You started an interesting thread here mate and people are keen to see your conclusion....please continue :)
TSK
Most members on this forum seem to enjoy stories and if they come with 'hints' and 'suggestions' of a possible fantastic system
on the horizon, there will be a queue of grateful readers eagerly waiting for the promised holy grail. I am not one of those expecting
any sort of such fantastic system.
I am one of those perhaps foolish people, who produces a system that actually makes money in a casino and is quite willing to share
it with everyone, with the expectation that anyone who is interested, will put themselves out to understand the system, even if it
is complex and requires some effort to get to grips with it.
You will be pleased to learn that I won't produce any further systems here or results and I hope this elmo character and other such
fictional characters, actually produces a simple system for you all to make long term profits!!!
Mr Chips
Sorry peeps, I was not trying to be evasive but I have a lot on my plate. ok I will explain what to do in a minute.
I got to say Mr Chips, good luck with your system in the casino. I hope you win with it.
Remember the chart I posted.
1. red red red
2. red black red
3. red red black
4. red black black
5. black black black
6. black red black
7. black black red
8. black red red
1. odd odd odd
2. odd even odd
3. odd odd even
4. odd even even
5. even even even
6. even odd even
7. even even odd
8. even odd odd
1. high high high
2. high low high
3. high high low
4. high low low
5. low low low
6. low high low
7. low low high
8. low high high
A
Also remember when I played this, I had 2 playing partners. Decide on a number from 1 to 8. If you pick number 7 that is black-black-red. even-even-odd. low-low-high. You are going to play all three at the same time looking for one of the sets to hit the triple. So you are all starting with a bet of 1 and looking to get it up to 8.
The first bet you are risking 3. If you win the triple and get back 8, you have won 5.
If you all get knocked out on the first attempt, you all put 1 on again. If one of you hits the triple and gets 8, you have risked 6 in total to get back 8 and you have gained 2. Never forget either that you could get a bonus and all three of you could hit the triple or maybe 2 of you. This is where you gain some big wins. I will now draw up the table for your bets.
Bet 1. play 3. remember 1 on each. win 8. profit of 5 or loss of 3.
bet 2. play 3. 1 on each. win 8. profit of 2 or loss of 6.
bet 3. play 6. 2 on each. win 16. profit of 4 or loss of 12.
bet 4. play 9. 3 on each. win 24. profit of 3 or loss of 21.
bet 5. play 15. 5 on each. win 40. profit of 4 or loss of 36.
bet 6. play 24. 8 on each. win 64. profit of 4 or loss of 60.
bet 7. play 39. 13 on each. win 104. profit of 5 or loss of 99.
bet 8. play 63. 21 on each. win 168. profit of 6 or loss of 162.
If you don't win after 8 attempts, stop. You have a choice to start another game or quit for the day. Many days you will always hit a winner in your 8 attempts and can play 10 games and make at least 50+ units in front. Where the bonus comes is when two or three of you both hit the triple. This is what makes the system and gives you some big winning days. Also because there is three partners, the bank is split between three and not so costly for each player. We won a lot of money playing this and I wish you all luck with it if you decide to give it a go.
Hi Elmo
Thank you for adding to this thread.Its an interesting idea.Ive always been a solo player myself so I have been very interested in what you have to say.
TSK
One rule I forgot to mention and it is very important. Even if you all get wiped out on the first or second spin. complete the 3 spin cycle before starting on your number again. in other words each session has to be 8x3 spin cycles which = 24 spins. It is up to you how many sessions you play. You can change it to a different number every session if you like but all play the same number in the chart for your own e.c. that you are following.
Thanks elmo for sharing your system. An example of 50 real spins data will explain in a better way.
Thanks again
HS
I just pulled 25 sequence from RX here is what I got. Even though system tanks here, but you can explain me, whether I understood correctly or not.
Spins Player1 P2 P3
plays BBR EEO LLH
Bet = 1 unit
36 -1 +1 -1
23 -1 -1 -1
0 -1 -1 -1
Win/loss = -8
----------> Now Bet = 1 Let us assume same thing continued.
25 -1 -1 -1
34 -1 +1 -1
3 +1 +1 -1
win/loss =-3
--------------> Now Play 2 unit on each? & same thing continuing.
13 +2 -2 +2
22 +2 +2 -2
4 -2 -2 -2
Win/Lose = -2
------------------> Now what? Play 3 each.Same thing continues
31 +3 -3 -3
23 -3 -3 -3
17 -3 +3 -3
Win/Loss = -15
------------------> Now Play 5. Same thing continues.
33 +5 -5 -5
19 -5 -5 -5
30 +5 -5 +5
Win/Loss = -15
--------------------> Now play 8. Same thing continues.
11 +8 -8 +8
34 -8 +8 -8
6 -8 -8 -8
Win/Loss = -24
-------------------> Now play 13. Same thing continues.
35 +13 -13 -13
16 -13 +13 +13
8 -13 -13 -13
Win/Loss = -39
-------------------> Now play 21. Same thing continues.
35 +21 -21 -21
12 -21 +21 +21
17 -21 -21 -21
Win/Loss= -63
Thanks
HS
You are going to play all three at the same time looking for one of the sets to hit the triple.>>>
Playing this way is just another 'random against random' system and results losing right at the house edge. Its impossible that this is the system that your partners showed you and you used to win consistantly. Playing this way is no different than flipping a coin for the next bet. This is fact, not ctiticism..
Hi Elmo,
Thanks for finishing that off for all of us,
will give it a go later this evening,
Many Thanks,
Davemd.
Elmo Said: "After a year we reckoned they had took us for over 100k+. For a few months the general manager had been threatening to terminate the memberships of all three gentlemen because he could not tolerate them winning anymore." Elmo also said: "I would like to be judged after I present my system and not before."
Elmo, is the system you laid out a few days ago the same system the 'three gentlemen' won over 100K+ with? Is it the system you want to be judged on? If it is, you are in deep trouble because that system is a giant loser, it wins nothing consistently or long term. Have you ever even tested it?
Is that it, Elmo? You're sticking to your story that this is the long term winning mega system that your buddies used to win 100K?
Elmo's reply to my question:
"I had a change of heart when one of my old playing partners said it would not be in my best interests to share anything on here. He meant what he said"
Translation: "I don't have squat and never had squat. I never thought anybody would call me on it."
Whatever, dude..
As always same ol samo... I told you before, and I will tell you again...
YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING BET ON A FORUM!!!
get that through your head, and you're already half way there...
YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING BET ON A FORUM!!!>>>
Thats rather my point, isn't it. Whenever somebody says they will post a system that wins more than it loses, I'm on them like flies on a cow's butt till they do so or shut up about it. They never produce nuttin...