I woul like to post a new strategy if someone can test it .
Any volunteer around?
Thanks
Hello jimenez,
Please post it and we will all test it out.
Regards
sniper
The method is applied to Columns and Dozens :
Analizing those Chances after every spin we get 4 differetn conditions (without considering zero):
SS: Both Dozen and Column are similar to the previous one (S=Same), there are 4 possible numbers.
DS: The Dozen is different to the previous one (D = Different)but the Column is similar (S=Same),there are 8 possible numbers.
SD: The Dozen is similar but the Column is different, there are 8 possible numbers.
DD: Both are different from the previous spins,there are 16 possible numbers.
The system consists to play the combination SS, with only one piece on each chance.
So we get these results:
Dozen.........Column..............Result...............Probabillity (with no Zero)
...S..............S....................+4 pieces..................4/36 [ 11.1% ]
...S..............D....................+1 piece....................8/36 [ 22.2% ]
...D..............S....................+1 piece....................8/36 [ 22.2% ]
...D..............D....................-2 pieces...................16/36 [ 44.4% ]
We will get , at this stage a 55.6% probability of sucess or winning attack againts the probability of losing of 44.4%.
In a cycle of 9 boules we should have : 1 SS, 2 DS, 2 SD, 4 DD.
The moment to bet could be chosen ,as usual , according a personal game style.
I suggest to play the SS combination after a long series of 3 boules on DD .
So I will ask someone to to test it after we got 3 consecutive DD
for example:
C--D
S-D
S-S
D-D
S-D
D-D
D-D
S-D
D-S
S-D
D-D
D-D
D-D
S-D..................................here I will bet
S-D
D-S
D-D
S-S
S-D
D-D
S-D
D-D
S-S
I would like to know how many times a DD series can appears and how long can be ..
Thank you for the attention.
jimenez
This is a very interesting idea. Since I'm doing a study at the Bet Voyager non-zero wheel, I will have a casual look into it.
Your little man beating himself bloody was so distracting I had to put a post-it note over him!
Thanks for the system.
Samster
I have another strategy to post and to be tested :
Since this is an old file written in italian the signs that belong to chances are not modified but I wrote a short note to explain it.
Every 3 boules we write the relative figure or pattern or combination (call it as you like)
It is formed by N/D , P/D and A/B where N is nero(Black) R =rosso (red) , P =Pari and D=Dispari (Even and Odd) and A- Alto(' Manque) B = Basso (Passe).
We will consider ONLY the Color (N/R） and P/D (Even and Odd) on the first 2 positions .
The last term will be composed by all 3 chances
If we get the combination NP-NP-RDA we have to search for the next one that begin with NP-NP and bet on RDA...If RDB comes out we will win 1 piece..
On the excell an example where the betting occasions are illustrated with the same color that indicates the ripetition of the figure
I forgot to mention that on the excel sheet there is the second session of the opposites figures
so NP-RD-RDA below there is written its opposite (RD-NP-NPB)
I would like to test it as well
Thanks to the programmer that can do it.
who is talking about math? ??? :haha:
Quote from: jimenez on August 18, 2009, 08:58:31 PM
So I will ask someone to to test it after we got 3 consecutive DD
I would like to know how many times a DD series can appears and how long can be ..
Thank you for the attention.
Well, I downloaded a file from the actuals section,
Wiesbaden T#3 Spins 01.04.2003 - 31.12.2008
I labeled the first one thousand results. It was done by hand, there might be a few mistakes, but I was careful, so it should not be too bad.
This is what I get:
3xD: 28
4xD: 16
5xD: 2
6xD: 1
7xD: 1
I ignored the zero when counting the number of repeats.
Thank you Jeromin for your effort. :good:
Only once I met the same 7xD in a real Casino so far.
1000 spins are not enough, I know that by hand it takes ages but thank you anyway. :ok:
You're welcome, Jimenez. The way I see it, from my experience in very regular, mechanical roulette wheels, with no dealer, one thousand spins is good enough for me. Weird occurrences ( seemingly weird, that is, to a pattern seeking mind dealing with randomness ) and large imbalances don't last more than a hundred spins or so. At least on the systems I've tried so far.
I found interesting the large drop from 4xD to 5xD, seems like a betting opportunity for me. I still have to print it out and go over it, but the SS don't always come soon after a 3xD+ event. I haven t tested it yet for flat bet. Could you elaborate on the full betting strategy so I can test it?
I looked at the payoff of the said 1000 spin series. Betting on SS after DD DD DD, stopping on either SS or two DD ( or DD 0, 0 DD, 0 0 ), it starts positive but end the 1000 spins with -12. A 3xDD is more often followed by DD than by SS. In fact a common pattern is: DD SD DS DD DD, that is -2 +1 +1 -2 -2. I haven't tried any progression, or stopping after 2 SS, etc.
I was expecting some sort of adjustment, as when a long succession of 3rd dozens is followed by predominantly first and second dozen ( I see it more often than not, again, on mechanical roulette. So much for gambler's fallacy ). But, at least on this limited sample, the SS and long DD series appear uncorrelated.
Quote from: Jeromin on August 21, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
I haven 't tested it yet for flat bet. Could you elaborate on the full betting strategy so I can test it?
what do you mean for flat bets, how do you do on them?
Maybe you were thinking about Initial and final terms of the numbers?
like 26-31-11-13-34-12
we have
Initial=2-3-1-1-3-1
Final=3-1-1-3-1-2
so we can have
I-F
D-D
S-D
D-S
D-D
D-D
considering the 01 -02-03-04- etc. as 31-32-33-34-Initial =3---final=1-2-3-1...
Quote from: Jeromin on August 21, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
Could you elaborate on the full betting strategy so I can test it?
...I don't understand this question..
Jeromin,
Betting on SS after DD DD DD, a 3xDD is more often followed by DD than by SS.
Ok I know that but we don't care about if SS come out or not (if yes it will be ok , of course).
What is important is to get one of the S..So after 3xDD if we get SD or DS is always a winning piece.
We don't need to play after one SS or two SS ..
For what I played so far on real Casinos the SS will be always a rare event comparing with DD series.
The flaw of this game is very slow like the R8.
But to play these 2 methods as I said on the other post tracking the spins on two different tables can help a little bit.
I have tried to find a solution applying the DD series on even chances but I 'm still stuck since they are different.
So betting on SS once, or continuously till getting SS? In the latter case, stopping after two DD spins in a row, after a 1000 spins it was up for a bit, though not much and ended -12. I haven't checked only one bet and stop win or lose.
...till getting a SD or DS or SS playing the SS after 3xD...
Why to be concerned with SS only if with SD or DS we get a success?
after 3xDD I would bet again with a very short progression.
Stop loss after 2 bets...
in few words from your 1000 spin we should have
3xD: 28
4xD: 16
16+48= 64 won units or more considering that I didn't check how many SS came out.
It's so clear like an hawaian sunset..
Hi Guys.
Just to make sure that I have this right.
If these numbers came.
02-0-0
15-D-D
31-D-D
11-D-D <<we could bet on the next spin Right ???
And or we could wait for yet another D-D and bet then after 4 D-D Had Come.
Am I correct in how I understand this. ?????
Lanky.
it depends ..
that's why I asked for testing the method since probably is better to wait for 4xDD...
We are lacking of statistics...
On that particular session, with the advantage of hindsight, the best progression is 1-3-stop, starting at 3xD. 1 unit on dozen, 1 on columns, then 3 each. SD/ DS on the first step pays 1, SS on the first pays 4, SD/DS on the second step pays 1, SS pays 10, DD/0 losses 8.
1000 spins:
1,10,1,10,1,10,1,1,1,10,10,-8,10,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,10,1,10,-8,1,1,10,-8,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,10,1,1,10,-8,1,1,1,1,10,1,1,-8.
Total: 105 units.
When the first loss of 8 units comes, we're already 56 units ahead and we're never even close to negative territory. Plus, every -8 is preceded by at least one +10. Of course it is possible to extend the progression to cover for 5xD, 6xD and 7xD, but it would also mean starting further away from the table limit, rather than potentially 1/6 of table limit (€250 where I play, €41.6 per unit )
The question for me now is whether this 1000 spin sample is representative or atypical. I'll test a few more, both from that sample and from other casinos. I'll be looking for similar payouts and for similar 3xD-4XD to higher D ratio, that is, a sharp drop after DD DD DD DD.
Quote from: Jeromin on August 23, 2009, 09:02:26 AM
... the best progression is 1-3-stop, starting at 3xD.
1 unit on dozen, 1 on columns, then 3 each. SD/ DS on the first step pays 1, SS on the first pays 4, SD/DS on the second step pays 1, SS pays 10,
DD/0 losses 8.
The question for me now is whether this 1000 spin sample is representative or atypical.
1000 spins are nothing !They are not representative .
We need more data for sure
I was thinking to play and see the formations of DD on Streets and six-lines together with D and C.
Quote from: jimenez on August 23, 2009, 08:46:20 AM
it depends ..
that's why I asked for testing the method since probably is better to wait for 4xDD...
We are lacking of statistics...
Yes Mate I can see that and thats why I am trying to help You by supplying more spins for You.
From what I see that Your doing is a later Version of the JD=Jump Dozen and the JC= Jump column.
In other words Your D means that the Dozen/Column Changed from the last Spin.
And You S means that the same Dozen/Column repeated.
The difference with the Notations on the JD & the JC is that they are recorded as W for Your D and a L for Your S.
And they will run across the page and not down....
They will be underneath each other so it will be easier for You to see.
I have plenty of them on Record and I can supply You with them from a Tracker that Victor made Years ago.
And some kind Person may just make You a Tracker with the D and the S as the notations.
Having said that it won't change the fact that they are still the JD & the JC.(as I understand Your System)
Below I will supply You with approx 700 spins.
All You have to do is substitute Your D for a W and Your S for a L
As they stand now it would be.
W=D
L=S
I have more if You are interested.........Lanky.
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Lanky.
Quote from: Jeromin on August 23, 2009, 09:02:26 AM
On that particular session, with the advantage of hindsight, the best progression is 1-3-stop, starting at 3xD. 1 unit on dozen, 1 on columns, then 3 each. SD/ DS on the first step pays 1, SS on the first pays 4, SD/DS on the second step pays 1, SS pays 10, DD/0 losses 8.
1000 spins:
1,10,1,10,1,10,1,1,1,10,10,-8,10,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,10,1,10,-8,1,1,10,-8,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,10,1,1,10,-8,1,1,1,1,10,1,1,-8.
Total: 105 units.
When the first loss of 8 units comes, we're already 56 units ahead and we're never even close to negative territory. Plus, every -8 is preceded by at least one +10. Of course it is possible to extend the progression to cover for 5xD, 6xD and 7xD, but it would also mean starting further away from the table limit, rather than potentially 1/6 of table limit (€250 where I play, €41.6 per unit )
The question for me now is whether this 1000 spin sample is representative or atypical. I'll test a few more, both from that sample and from other casinos. I'll be looking for similar payouts and for similar 3xD-4XD to higher D ratio, that is, a sharp drop after DD DD DD DD.
tested this quickly on 450 spins, ended +14 and included two losses of -8
Well you're right, they're not representative. Second 1000 spin session, same actuals, same wheel, next batch:
3xD: 15
4xD: 12
5xD: 5
6xD: 5
7XD: 1
8XD: 1 (!)
The 8XD was rapidly followed by 7XD, 5XD and 5XD, 4 to 10 spins appart...
Three SS help a bit but overall -54 units ( every time I I count it I get a slightly different figure, so this is all +/-2) for the second 1000 unit session.
Thanks Lanky for your contribution..
8x is the first time to see it for me ..
Thanks for this.
Quote from: jimenez on August 23, 2009, 12:31:33 PM
8x is the first time to see it for me ..
Thanks for this.
With a 2 step progression, an 8XD in not so much the problem as 12 losing progressions vs only 27 winning ones.
Of course, a progression that takes 8xDD into account is possible, 1-3-9-27-81-243, and every bet's a winner, unless I hedge for 0, wich would eat up the one unit profit, or even more in the last two steps. The risk is bumping into a 9XDD, or several 0's, but the reward is the occasional SS, specially in later steps. I'll look it up
Well, enjoying once again the benefit of hindsight, and setting the progression at precisely 8 steps, I get a tidy profit of 415 units. The 7xDD, a 6xDD and a 5xDD all end up with SS. The problem, of course is that the final bet is 486 units, over my table limit, meaning a unit would have to be about €.50. The previous session had a two step progression, and while it only made 105 units profit, the base unit be se much higher, up to €41 per unit. Plus the risk now is much greater.
I guess we'll need to wait for extensive mechanical reults. This job, when done by hand, is slow, tedious and error prone.
A possibile option:
to track the Streets with the C and D..
C-D-S
DDD
DDD
DDS
we have to see how long can be the DDD...
Hi Jimenez
I have sent a message to your inbox, please read and reply.
I have also attached a programmable excel doc here so you can see that this system is in my opnion not worth the wait for 100, let alone 300 or more spins. Insert your own numbers and let me know if you feel the same. Sheets 1-3 have only 110 numbers but you can cut and past the formuals to stratch for as many number sas you want.
On sheets 4-5, there are over 400 numbers and I have manually made adjustments to the betting so adjust these if you overwrite the numbers. DDD betted 100 on each col/Doz but if I lost i doubled up on the next spin.
Cheers
CHRIS
@DOC >> Did you read that post I left you a few hours back? Ken