I have used this method 4 times live and have BEYOND GREAT results, that, you can quote me on. My NETS were $910, $980, $880, $1,250. Basically betting TWO UNHIT numbers, side by side on the wheel (double zero wheel for myself). My progression goes up to 55 steps. I usually start on the 00, 1 but it makes NO difference! Say the 17 hit, cross it off. We now skip the next 2 spins (no betting) cross off whatever hit. Pick again 2 unhit numbers side by side on the wheel, base this on nothing please! No due numbers or hot or cold numbers etc., ONLY unhit numbers.
No win? Repeat the process. Skip 2 spins, bet, skip 2 spins, bet etc. On a win, start over fresh, nothing crossed off. NOTE: An example, lets say the 24 and 13 are crossed off. You must ALSO cross off the 36. The BEST case of dragging the progression is 165 spins, for TWO numbers! BUT, lets say I get down to the last two? We now do NO MORE skipping. Keep betting on those two for the rest of the progression. My average for that happening is once for every 7 wins. When that does happen, it drops from 165 to 135 total spins (my average).
So far, 135 POSSIBLE spins is my WORSE case situation. ANOTHER NOTE: Lets say the LAST unhit numbers are the 6 21 33. No more skipping spins. Alternate betting between the 6 21 and the 21 33. I use to play a similar method but why switch Ken? I did the same method for unhit splits on the layout. However, there were too many problems of too many possibilities left unhit. EXAMPLE: Lets say the last unhit numbers on the layout were >> 11 13 14 15 17. That 14 would screw everything up because it controlled the other 4 numbers for a split.
In total, thats 4 possible bets as opposed to NOW, (6 21 33), its only TWO. I feel it narrows it down MUCH easier. This might be my long term method (knock on wood) that I use, its very promising. The 2 downsides.... expensive BR and if roulette is not boring enough, we only bet 33% of the time. Using nickels for my progression, my NET wins are damn nice, worth the wait! Questions? Ken
There can be no difference is these systems, they only appear different. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, it all comes out the same in the end. It probably helps you psychologically to switch around, so from that standpoint its useful. They win when they win and don't when they don't. Math wise its all the same. One ball, one wheel, one random pocket at a time.
I was waiting for you. Thank you for your OPINION sir. Ken
Thanks for sharing your system with us here Ken.
Hey! It is the "Full Systems" section, as long as the system is complete and not a "Hint and clues" thread, it stays for the fellow members to read; they are free to test, tweak and try it :)
Again: Thanks!
Victor
And the best news.... I used paragraphs! :yahoo: Ken
Thank you for your OPINION sir.>>>
I'm afraid its not opinion, its mathematical fact. Sorry..
Quote from: Spike on August 26, 2009, 03:57:03 AM
Thank you for your OPINION sir.>>>
I'm afraid its not opinion, its mathematical fact. Sorry..
you are doing herb´s job, aren´t you?
If I'm wrong, please point out the real facts.
Quote from: Spike on August 26, 2009, 05:19:32 AM
If I'm wrong, please point out the real facts.
you can be right, but obnoxious as well
Most people know about the house edge and the math going with it. You don´t need to say it in every bloody post you are writing
There are just some that love saying "but your number might not hit, you could lose". Do I have to pull the ole Kenny move again? lol Backing posters into a corner asking THEM EXACTLY how they play? You ever notice, the ones that slam others the most ALSO reveal the LEAST how they play? Coincidence or only my imagination? Ken
Another note regarding this method >> I always say, TRIAL and ERROR, its the only way! Months ago, I use to play this same method EXCEPT for one thing, I did not skip spins, the progression went until 55.
Every other rule was the same. I randomly picked 2 unhits side by side etc. At best, the method did ok, NOTHING real good about it. On my losses, I would stick around and watch and jot down future numbers. Sure as heck, whatever unhit pairs I had.....7 spins later WIN, 28 spins later WIN, 53 spins later WIN etc.
I of course lost because the progression ended, thats how I came up with this. I have added on around 100 extra spins WITHOUT raising the progression itself. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 26, 2009, 07:15:50 AM
There are just some that love saying "but your number might not hit, you could lose". Do I have to pull the ole Kenny move again? lol Backing posters into a corner asking THEM EXACTLY how they play?
I actually stopped to read that post...and actually think about it.
When I read this method of yours, I too wanted to say (although I didn't) "Mr. J, there isn't anything that says your number is going to hit."
Then I thought about the second sentence of that quote above... If I'm playing online (where trying to use VB isn't an option) there isn't any method that gives me (or anybody else) any better of a chance to win than what you're doing.
If everybody took the road of "But your number/color/whatever might not hit", then nobody would ever play this game...or any other game for that matter.
If you had entitled this post or said at some point "This method is guaranteed to win" then everybody would have a right to jump on you. But, you haven't done that. You're simply saying "This is how I play, you can try it if you'd like." I'm assuming you already know that your number may or may not hit, but you're choosing to play the game anyway.
Next time somebody goes to say something to you like "You're crazy, you very well could lose doing that" they should take two steps back and think about how they play. Regardless of how they play (unless they're using some sort of advantage play) anybody could easily walk up to them and say the exact same thing "Hey, you know you might lose doing that" and they'd be right.
This game is simply that, a game. And it is a gamble to play it no matter how you play it.
So all I have left to say to you now is congrats on your winnings, I hope they continue and thanks for sharing.
I've played this method 5 times so far (3 live and twice online). Why? Because it's easy, and fun, and has worked so far. Has won everytime.
I'm not saying it will always win (infact I know it will lose), but I enjoy playing it while waiting for a poker table to open, and will continue playing it for the time being.
Thanks Ken,
Matt
Nice comments, no problem. Ken
Quote from: Spike on August 26, 2009, 01:52:13 AM
There can be no difference is these systems, they only appear different. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, it all comes out the same in the end. It probably helps you psychologically to switch around, so from that standpoint its useful. They win when they win and don't when they don't. Math wise its all the same. One ball, one wheel, one random pocket at a time.
REALLY !
What a profound statement !
On your next post , tell us something we don't already know, thanks !.. :laugh:
Sorry for another sidenote >> Of the 4 times I have played this, 3 of them I started at 7am, done at 3-4pm. I do not recommend playing at a busy table. The boredom of betting 33% of the spins will most likely over take you. I'm only being honest. Happy trails. Ken
Mr J
Can you tell me where to find the progression you use on this, I know i seen it somewhere but cant seem to find it now.
Hi Mr J
I would like to programme this and before I do would need to make sure I understand everything correctly.
1. Arrive at the table and see the last number hit was 9.
2. I wait 2 turns. (No's hit are 0 and 28
3. I now bet
4. I choose any two numbers to bet, as long as they are side by side, and have not been hit already (so, 9, 0, 28 are out)
5. I choose 18, 29
6. I Lose.
7. Wait 2 turns and do process 3-5 again except choosing a new set of numbers (or keep the same)
8. What happens if after a number of losses the only numbers left to bet have adjacent numbers next to them that have already been hit? What is the decision then.
Look forward to doing this
Another quick question.
Please explain why you do this -[NOTE: An example, lets say the 24 and 13 are crossed off. You must ALSO cross off the 36. ]
The example I was giving was for a 00 wheel. I'll give you an example from a 0 wheel >>> Lets say the 19 and 21 are crossed off (hit), you can cross off the 4 if YOU WANT TO. You cant bet on the 4, I would cross it off just for the heck of it.
1. Arrive at the table and see the last number hit was 9. >> I start right away, picking any two like 27, 13. You dont need to see a number before starting.
2. I wait 2 turns. (No's hit are 0 and 28) >> hit AND cross them off.
3. I now bet >> Correct
4. I choose any two numbers to bet, as long as they are side by side, and have not been hit already (so, 9, 0, 28 are out) >> Correct but maybe not the 9 if you started right off.
5. I choose 18, 29
6. I Lose. >> cross off whatever hit EVEN on your betting spins!!
7. Wait 2 turns and do process 3-5 again except choosing a new set of numbers (or keep the same) >> I would not choose the same, pick two others.
8. What happens if after a number of losses the only numbers left to bet have adjacent numbers next to them that have already been hit? What is the decision then. >> Give me an example, I dont understand the question. NOTE: If you do get down to the LAST two unhit, no more skipping spins, stick to the same bet. Also, 3 is the same as 2 (like I already explained). Lets say the 20 14 31 are the only ones left unhit. NO MORE skipping spins. You alternate betting between the 14 20 and 14 31, back and fourth. HOPE a 14 hits!! Ken
GTPfan >>> Here is the progression I use, it may be a bit steep for you but if anything, you can use different size units. 2 numbers, 1-56 $2,780 on a loss. Remember, each bet I post, multiply by TWO (2 numbers). Ken
1- 14 $5, 15-23 $10, 24-29 $15, 30-33 $20, 34-37 $25, 38-40 $30, 41-42 $35,
43-44 $40, 45-46 $45, 47-48 $50, 49-50 $55, 51 $60, 52 $65, 53-54 $70,
55 $75, 56 $80.
According to Turbo's website, the longest no show for a split is 249 times. Okay, 2 numbers side by side on the wheel do not constitute a split however, I'm sure the outcome is somewhat similar. I personally have seen a split not show for well over 100 spins.
If I am right Mr J, you are only allowing for a 56 step progression? I cannot see how this could be sufficient given the above figures. Am I missing something here?
Cheers
"Am I missing something here?" >>> Yes, you didn't read it all. AND was the split you are talking about, PRE-CHOSEN? In other words, when you sat down, you said the 19/20 split (whatever it was) will NOT show for over 100 spins and you were correct? Ken
Quote from: DOC link=topic=11594. msg75288#msg75288 date=1251729337
Another quick question.
Please explain why you do this -[NOTE: An example, lets say the 24 and 13 are crossed off. You must ALSO cross off the 36. ]
Please can you clarrify this point you made (using the single 0 wheel). Or are you saying this because on the 00 wheel the 36 is between the 24 & 13 ?
The example I was giving was for a 00 wheel. I'll give you an example from a 0 wheel >>> Lets say the 19 and 21 are crossed off (hit), you can cross off the 4 if YOU WANT TO. You cant bet on the 4, I would cross it off just for the heck of it. Ken
Mr J,
The point I was making was that your progression wouldn't work if data produced says that a split can go for 249 spins without hitting. Please enlighten me.
I did try this method as your explaination and at the second attempt I was left with the numbers 14 and 31. They could have remained dormamt for maybe another 200 spins. Correct?
Cheers
Can you answer this >>> was the split you are talking about, PRE-CHOSEN? "They could have remained dormamt for maybe another 200 spins. Correct?" >>> They might not hit for the next 942 spins. "I did try this method as your explaination and at the second attempt I was left with the numbers 14 and 31." >>> Just curious, what point were you at in YOUR progression when you were left with these 2 numbers? Ken
No, the split wasn't pre-chosen. It came about by a process of elimination as per your instructions.
I honestly can't recall how far into the progression. Maybe 20-30 spins at most. It doesn't take long to to reach the final two side by side numbers if there aren't a lot of repeats and you are only betting every second spin. I was crossing off numbers as you explained and ended up with numbers 14 and 31. I wasn't lucky enough to hit any unhit numbers prior to ending up with the 14 and 31.
Cheers
How often do you double up. I have had instances when the hit was after 7 bets, and then again after 50. So is the betting progressive ie. lose, then double, lose then double again etc. .
Its not doubling up. Here is the progression I use, it may be a bit steep for you but if anything, you can use different size units. 2 numbers, 1-56 $2,780 on a loss. Remember, each bet I post, multiply by TWO (2 numbers). Ken
1-14 $5, 15-23 $10, 24-29 $15, 30-33 $20, 34-37 $25, 38-40 $30, 41-42 $35,
43-44 $40, 45-46 $45, 47-48 $50, 49-50 $55, 51 $60, 52 $65, 53-54 $70,
55 $75, 56 $80.
Quote from: Mr J link=topic=11594. msg76037#msg76037 date=1251924414
Its not doubling up. Here is the progression I use, it may be a bit steep for you but if anything, you can use different size units. 2 numbers, 1-56 $2,780 on a loss. Remember, each bet I post, multiply by TWO (2 numbers). Ken
1-14 $5, 15-23 $10, 24-29 $15, 30-33 $20, 34-37 $25, 38-40 $30, 41-42 $35,
43-44 $40, 45-46 $45, 47-48 $50, 49-50 $55, 51 $60, 52 $65, 53-54 $70,
55 $75, 56 $80.
I have written a excel programme for this. Take a look it may requre a little tweeking, but the fundamentles work well. Maybe some others could do some testing and find an improved or different method that addresses the progression problem.
It only track to line 60 as the coding takes forever to do.
Hi Ken
Yes I got your replies, thanks. Did you see the excel programme. I have tweeked it a bit since then as the progression was unbelievable. Won one most times, but then you get a set from hell, last won drove me over 6000 euro, fortunately only play money.
I have changed it slightly and only start playing once there are 2-3 no's left, works pretty well
CHRIS
I thought about that. Wait until there are 4 left, then start and ALSO skipping the 2 spins every other. Ken
DOC,
Can you please explain the excel file a bit?
I'm into excel testing too but It's hard to understand what your are doing there, what your formulas are for and even what each column is. Could you explain it a bit? thanks
this is rubbish not to metion dangeris :nono: you wil learn from this master 1 day ken read my holi grail threed
lol, sorry bro. I'll tell you the same thing I told another at the RF board, until you are established and have around 80 posts, I dont take the NEW posters too seriously. Usually (not always) its someone we ALREADY know but perhaps was banned etc. I have this SAME problem at VIP with a "new" poster there. I never understood the multiple user names thing? Ken
Quote from: kav on September 05, 2009, 06:02:45 AM
DOC,
Can you please explain the excel file a bit?
I'm into excel testing too but It's hard to understand what your are doing there, what your formulas are for and even what each column is. Could you explain it a bit? thanks
You input your numbers into Column A, as you do this it removes these numbers from the box in col E, F. You bet in on A3, then skip two bets (ie 2 spins) and bet again on A6. These are all preprogrammed, with a doubling progression. When there are only 2 numbers left you then bet on every spin, but you have to input the extara bets in column D.
After numerous times I found the progressions to be too high, so I have altered this sytem somewhat. The coding for this is quite complicated and takes a lot of time.
Yeah the prog you use is too aggressive, try MrJ's prog.
Also the I bet the last 2 unhit side by side numbers is not programed into it.
Anyway keep up the good work. We may help each other with excel roulette testing sometime.
iT ONLY GOES DOWN TO LINE 60 AND THEN THE PROGRAMMING STOPS. I DON'T GO FURTHER UNLESS I SEE MERIT. YOU ARE RIGHT THE PROGRESSIVE IS TOO HEAVY. IAHVE HAD UNHIT FOR 198 SPINS