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Title: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 27, 2009, 10:02:58 PM
This is for anyone but you two seem to be on my "level". lol (I hope I didn't insult you) I have been working on this SOB for 3 years, I cant quite get it. It has HUGE HUGE potential. The only way this can get tricky is if a column sleeps for a long time. This is TOUGH to understand, I will do my best! We will be betting on splits, anywhere from 1-6 splits MAX.

Progression or flat betting, I have no idea, thats why its in brainstorming. All I'm doing is CONNECTING the 1st column with the 3rd column in each of the double streets. (What the F is Ken talking about?) You must do this on paper, do NOT try it in your head!!!! EXAMPLES >> The 13 hits, we cross off the 13/16. The 33 hits, we cross off the 33/36. The 1 hits, we cross off the 1/4. The 12 hits, we cross off the 9/12.

The 35 hits, we cross off the 32/35 AND we are ready to bet on the split, 31/34. The 10 hits, we cross off the 7/10 AND we are ready to bet on the split 8/11. The 20 hits, we cross off the 20/23. (Still betting on those other 2 splits!) The 24 hits, we cross off the 21/24 AND we are ready to bet on the split 19/22.

The 31 hits, WIN. Thats as far as I get. Start over fresh? Keep betting on the other 2 splits? Progression or flat betting? ETC. As long as a column does not sleep VERY long, YOU WIN, its that simple. I am all ears if anyone has ideas?  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: xman1970 on August 27, 2009, 10:39:54 PM
Thx for sharing Ken.....

Will smash my 3 remaining brain cells together..... & hope.....
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 27, 2009, 11:09:24 PM
If any questions, just ask.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 27, 2009, 11:23:36 PM
Something I notice alot. This site compared to RF. Here, things are more serious and posters want to help, more polite, try hard with this game etc. The other site, its more about cracking jokes and putting people down. RF is VERY similar to GG, sorry but its true! Ken ((VIP is also a very good site))
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: VLSroulette on August 28, 2009, 01:06:20 AM
...I took the liberty of illustrating the process described above by Ken:

"The 13 hits, we cross off the 13/16."

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"The 33 hits, we cross off the 33/36."

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"The 1 hits, we cross off the 1/4."

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"The 12 hits, we cross off the 9/12. "

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"The 35 hits, we cross off the 32/35 AND we are ready to bet on the split, 31/34"

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"The 10 hits, we cross off the 7/10 AND we are ready to bet on the split 8/11."

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"The 20 hits, we cross off the 20/23. (Still betting on those other 2 splits!)"

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"The 24 hits, we cross off the 21/24 AND we are ready to bet on the split 19/22. "

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"The 31 hits, WIN. Thats as far as I get."




My opinions:

"Start over fresh?"

YES

"Progression or flat betting?"

As this is strictly layout-based, a form of progression should be implemented (in my opinion).

"I am all ears if anyone has ideas?"

Perhaps our "coder at large" can perform some of his "mojo" and make a customizable RX file. I.e. customizable flat/progression selection; reusing splits versus fresh restart and so on. It is the perfect way to see the differences to help picking the flavor that suits the player(s).

Best regards,
Victor
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2009, 01:19:39 AM
Thanks for helping Vic. I do have one issue. My experience with betting on multiple splits...... It is impossible to have a progression chart made up PRIOR to going to the casino. Why? You will have no idea how many bets and the whens. EXAMPLE: (SRB=Split(s) Ready to Bet) 3rd spin SRB(1)....7th spin, another SRB(2)....8th spin, another SRB(3)....12th spin, another SRB(4).....13th spin, another SRB(5) etc. My point....progression? Most likely not, I think? Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2009, 02:10:56 AM
I think I have something. Let me test this all day Friday, I'll report back on Sat**day.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on August 28, 2009, 03:04:36 AM
Hi Mr J
Some time  ago I tried a system that played the "double splits" ie 1,4,7,10 or 2,5,8,11 etc.The idea being that you waited for 3 of these sections NOT to hit then bet on them with a progression until they did.
Now I did win some money doing this but sometimes it would go for a long time before one of them  hit and as I recall did  not hit many within the first spin very often.
Hope this helps you in some way.

TSK
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Bo0Merang on August 28, 2009, 04:48:04 AM
yee  I  like  it just one  things if there sleep one column . . .  sorry  wrong /no  dozen/ you  can  bet like corner not just split but  very  nice  this system :)))
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2009, 06:38:25 AM
"sometimes it would go for a long time before one of them hit" >>> My way, a sleeping column is the only enemy.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: kav on August 29, 2009, 12:29:53 AM
Hi Mr J,
Thanks for the compliment.
If I understand it correctly, this is based on the idea that at least one double street will be "completed", meaning that all three splits would hit. Which seems logical.
Hmmm....
Except for a sleeping column, there other enemy is the possibility that without having a sleeping column, the same parts of the columns hit again and again.
I would suggest keep betting the same splits after hit. If you bet them when they slept why not continue to bet them when they wake up and start hitting?
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Spike on August 29, 2009, 01:58:56 AM
a sleeping column is the only enemy>>>

Its not uncommon for a dozen or column to sleep for 20-25 spins. Around 15 is more common.
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:09:50 AM
AND, I'm basing it on the most extreme case. That being.... 1) We are currently betting on (the max.) ALL 6 splits at the time of a column sleeping long. 2) All 12 of the non-betting splits hit fast (within spins of each other) and then the column went sleepy sleepy. EXAMPLE: 4 32 22 17 10 25 8 20 34 5 16 26....then that 3rd column goes sleepy sleepy. Thats the WORSE case of what could happen.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:21:35 AM
Here are 40 numbers from random.org. Do not try to do this in your head, do it on paper.



Here are your random numbers:

20 CO = Cross Off the 20/23
37
2 CO the 2/5
23
9 CO the 9/12
32 CO the 32/35
1 CO the 1/4 (NOW betting on the 3/6 split)
10 CO the 7/10 (NOW betting on the 8/11 split)
8 WIN (start over? Keep going? The 6 is only a few spins away.
1
18
29
6
14
37
23
32
26
36
3
19
19
24
12
38
31
9
25
32
18
10
21
24
4
29
18
24
38
38
2
Timestamp: 2009-08-28 16:28:14 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:22:47 AM
Here are your random numbers:

37
2 CO the 2/5
37
3 CO the 3/6 (bet on the 1/4 split)
5
22 CO the 19/22
14 CO the 14/17
18 CO the 15/18 (bet on the 13/16 split)
14
30 CO the 27/30
32 CO the 32/35
13 WIN Stop? If we kept going, watch...
2
28 CO the 25/28 (bet on the 26/29 split)
21 CO the 21/24 (bet on the 20/23 split)
19
26 WIN
1 WIN
37
23 WIN
9
23
5
17
8
19
8
21
13
15
8
33
27
27
14
30
36
11
25
18
Timestamp: 2009-08-28 16:34:49 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:24:07 AM
Here are your random numbers:

36 CO the 33/36
16 CO the 13/16
3 CO the 3/6
16
6
17 CO the 14/17 (bet on the 15/18 split)
18 WIN (lol, random.org picked them, not me) I'll do 3 more
32
30
30
30
5
1
30
31
14
23
22
6
22
26
36
18
35
11
13
14
36
33
29
20
16
4
10
35
3
23
28
34
9
Timestamp: 2009-08-28 16:40:30 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:25:21 AM
Here are your random numbers:

32 CO the 32/35
21 CO the 21/24
1 CO the 1/4
18 CO the 15/18
6 CO the 3/6 (bet the 2/5 split)
13 CO the 13/16 (bet the 14/17 split)
30 CO the 27/30
15
30
38
1
10 CO the 7/10
28 CO the 25/28 (bet the 26/29)
14 WIN, but it might be an overall loss? Keep going?
16
27
1
10
24
32
15
38
1
25
21
34
35
13
15
32
9
37
38
16
3
19
13
18
12
30
Timestamp: 2009-08-28 16:44:09 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:26:36 AM
Here are your random numbers:

32
34
8
36 I'm jumping ahead, this is a win. Starting over
15 CO the 15/18
4 CO the 1/4
23 CO the 20/23
6 CO the 3/6 (bet on the 2/5 split)
24 CO the 21/24 (bet on the 19/22 split)
38
10 CO the 7/10
13 CO the 13/16 (bet on the 14/17 split)
2 WIN
24
16
17 WIN
23
1
19 WIN if we kept going but thats hindsight.
15
18
38
26
33
30
10
18
1
28
29
2
32
18
12
10
9
35
4
29
13
Timestamp: 2009-08-28 16:50:05 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:27:34 AM
Here are your random numbers:

11 CO the 8/11
30 CO the 27/30
27
27
4 CO the 1/4
19 CO the 19/22
5 CO the 2/5 (bet on the 3/6 split)
6 WIN, I'll start over
31 CO the 31/34
25 CO the 25/28
20 CO the 20/23
33 CO the 33/36 (bet on the 32/35 split)
25
29 CO the 26/29 (bet on the 27/30 split)
22 CO the 19/22 (bet on the 21/24 split)
38
25
32 WIN
30 WIN
4
38
19
30
33
37
1
17
2
25
13
37
22
1
4
36
25
37
9
9
14
Timestamp: 2009-08-28 16:56:21 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:28:20 AM
In conclusion, I feel it really does work but I cant seem to put it all together. F the 'why' part of it. Flat or progression? Stop, keep going? I do not know. Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Big Chips on August 29, 2009, 05:44:25 AM
Hi Ken,

Would another possible option be, that if a split shows again after you have already crossed it off, then bet on the other 2 splits in the line.
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: bombus on August 29, 2009, 08:33:43 AM
Quote from: Big Chips on August 29, 2009, 05:44:25 AM
Hi Ken,

Would another possible option be, that if a split shows again after you have already crossed it off, then bet on the other 2 splits in the line.

What about this,

Wait for four splits to hit from four different six lines, then play the four unhit corners on those four six lines. If you win start again with one unit. If you lose start again with two units, and so on.
 
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 09:21:51 AM
Not bad ideas guys. Here's the thing, I came up with a betting plan in the last 36 hours(testing). It will seem COMPLICATED, trust me on that. Before I type it all out AND with examples....let me know FIRST if anyone has interest in it or I won't post it. I suck at typing, thats why I ask. Also, if someone does understand it fast, can you help me in regards to others asking questions? NOTE: You have to have diagrams of the layout when doing this. It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to try it in your head!!!!  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 01:17:24 PM
RF is a joke, its a waste of my time trying to "help". Thank God the MODS here are more on top of things!! RF -- GG = Same thing. I see little difference. Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: VLSroulette on August 29, 2009, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 09:21:51 AM
Also, if someone does understand it fast, can you help me in regards to others asking questions?

Sure!

Quote from: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 09:21:51 AMNOTE: You have to have diagrams of the layout when doing this. It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to try it in your head!!!!  Ken

You build the examples, the diagrams will come ;) :)
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 02:53:08 PM
Thanks Vic. Give me a little time to explain the RULES, random.org numbers to follow after that with examples.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 03:14:28 PM
Let me give this a shot. The "bet selection" part stays the same, I feel it works great! I bet on only ONE split (rotating) with progression, 1-55, $2,770 if I lose. When rotating our bet, it'll always go down and then back to the top. MEANING: a bet in the top DS (1-6), second DS, third DS.....last DS (31-36) then back to the top again etc. I will show examples, dont panic.

Starting fresh, nothing crossed off...... RULE: When starting, if we get TWO crossing offs in the SAME DS (meaning the first 2 spins) we start over. EXAMPLE: 13 hits, 18 hits, start over. Like I said, we will be rotating bets. RULE: If a number hits on a "would be" bet (we have no chips on) that bet is excluded but we do start over with that DS until a win AND we cross off the split of the number that just hit.

(WOW)....EXAMPLE: Our 20/23 and 21/24 are crossed off which leaves the 19/22 OPEN to bet but we may not have a bet on it at that time! Lets say we are betting on the 8/11 and a 22 hits. Erase (not sure what word to use) the 20/23 and 21/24, both are now available to cross off again AND we do cross off the 19/22.

Alot of these rules, dont ask me WHY Ken because I do not know. lol All I know is that I tweak UNTIL the results get better regardless of WHY. Examples to follow. You must do this on paper etc. to understand it!!!!  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: GTPfan on August 29, 2009, 03:31:25 PM
Hi Mr J,
   Thanks for the idea, I have done quit abit of paper testing with real numbers since I seen this posted on the OTHER Forum  :sarcastic: and the results have been rather well.  What I was doing was playing the splits that qualified at 1 unit each until a hit or the the bet that they would reach a 17 unit total, then I would play each split with 1 unit of its own on each number until a hit, if the I wasnt in profit I would continue to play the numbers except the one that hit, for instance if I was playing the 7-10 with 1 unit and the 7 hit, if I wasnt in profit I would continue playing the 10, while still adding the new ones until another hit in which most cases the strategy reached a profit.



Long time reader, First time Poster
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
37=0, 38=00, co=cross off, aco=already crossed off, be=bet, BUT at the time, we may not have a bet on it! That part, do on paper! cb=current bet, ds=double street

2 co 2/5
8 co 8/11
16 co 13/16
29 co 26/29
20 co 20/23
34 co 31/34
18 co 15/18 be 14/17 cb 14/17
2  aco cb 14/17
18 aco cb 14/17
23 aco cb 14/17
30 co 27/30 be 25/28 cb 25/28
11 aco cb 14/17
30 aco cb 25/28
8  aco cb 14/17
8  aco cb 25/28
10 co 7/10 be 9/12 cb 9/12
19 co 19/22 be 21/24 cb 14/17
35 co 32/35 be 33/36 cb 21/24
19 aco cb 25/28
6  co 3/6 be 1/4 cb 33/36
9  co 9/12 erase 7/10, 8/11 cb 1/4
9  aco cb 14/17
23 aco cb 21/24
26 aco cb 25/28
21 co 21/24 erase 19/22, 20/23 cb 33/36
8  co 8/11 be 7/10 cb 1/4
6  aco cb 7/10
34 aco cb 14/17
17  WIN
1
38
15
27
11
13
8
25
32
3
17
14
33
3
33
37
29
10
25
21
8
27
10
6
25
2
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 18:17:04 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 03:42:45 PM
Above example, more to follow. "Long time reader, First time Poster" >>> Cool, welcome aboard. You can try it how you want, no problem. They DO HIT, its just a matter of the WHENS and how to bet. My way so far looks good but who knows? lol  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: GTPfan on August 29, 2009, 03:46:41 PM
 I forgot,
  I would always stop and start tracking again from scratch anytime a profit was reached, the reason I've seen most methods dont work is because of continuos play.  Of course many roulette players will tell you all systems will fail in the long run that use a progression and I agree.  But with a hit and run method, money management and discipline, systems that fail the rx test can be profitable over the long run just not a continuos play long run.
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 03:57:09 PM
36 co 33/36
35 co 32/35 but remember rule, when starting, if the first 2 r in same DS, start over
7  co 7/10
24 co 21/24
2  co 2/5
24 aco
11 co 8/11 be 9/12 cb 9/12
10 aco cb 9/12
12 WIN, starting over fresh.....
28 co 25/28
17 co 14/17
20 co 20/23
30 co 27/30 be 26/29 cb 26/29
4  co 1/4 cb 26/29
17 aco cb 26/29
38
26 WIN (these are not made up numbers) starting over.
36 co 33/36
5  co 2/5
28 co 25/28
5  aco
10 co 7/10
27 co 27/30 be 26/29 cb 26/29 (again, lol)
25 aco cb 26/29 (the split bet stays the same cause there is no where else to go)
19 co 19/22 cb 26/29
13 co 13/16 cb 26/29
7  aco cb 26/29
13 aco cb 26/29
27 aco cb 26/29
29 WIN
23
26
32
11
26
5
24
29
1
36
1
27
38
10
12
14
34
16
21
17
20
27
29
37
12
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 18:44:10 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: kav on August 29, 2009, 04:05:10 PM
This is really exciting. I almost feel the adrenalin and sweat of your frantic testing. This is like happening live  :)
keep up the good work.
I wish I could be of more help. It's the end of my holidays and try to check some other system, that is long due (no pun intended ::)).
Please keep us informed
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
15 co 15/18
5  co 2/5
19 co 19/22
8  co 8/11
31 co 31/34
33 co 33/36 be 32/35 cb 32/35
17 co 14/17 be 13/16 cb 13/16
37 (even with a zero, switch bet if we can) cb 32/35
7  co 7/10 be 9/12 cb 9/12
14 aco cb 13/16
18 aco cb 32/35
3  co 3/6 be 1/4 cb 1/4
7 aco cb 9/12
16 co 13/16 erase 14/17, 15/18 cb 32/35
24 co 21/24 be 20/23 cb 1/4
34 aco cb 9/12
28 co 25/28 cb 20/23
25 aco cb 32/35
24 aco cb 1/4
28 aco cb 9/12
4  co 1/4 erase 2/5, 3/6 cb 20/23
11 aco cb 32/35
5 co 2/5 be 3/6 cb 3/6
32 co 32/35 erase 31/34, 33/36 cb 9/12
25 aco cb 20/23
29 co 26/29 be 27/30 cb 27/30
30 WIN, start over.
1 ****
5 **** start over!
23 co 20/23
13 co 13/16
25 co 25/28
10 co 7/10
33 co 33/36
38
5  co 2/5
21 co 21/24 be 19/22 cb 19/22
26 co 26/29 be 27/30 cb 27/30
29 aco cb 19/22
20 aco cb 27/30
10 aco cb 19/22
22  WIN (2-3 more examples to follow)
36
26
29
5
25
29
24
24
7
30
34
16
35
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 19:07:08 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:50:09 PM
35 co 32/35
3  co 3/6
19 co 19/22
9  co 9/12
28 co 25/28
20 co 20/23 be 21/24 cb 21/24
16 co 13/16 cb 21/24
25 aco cb 21/24
16 aco cb 21/24
30 co 27/30 be 26/29 cb 26/29
22 aco cb 21/24
10 co 7/10 be 8/11 cb 26/29
6  aco cb 8/11
32 aco cb 21/24
10 aco cb 26/29
6  aco cb 8/11
5 co 2/5 be 1/4 cb 21/24
23 aco cb 26/29
30 aco cb 1/4
20 aco cb 8/11
24 co 21/24 erase 19/22, 20/23 cb 26/29
34 co 31/34 be 33/36 cb 33/36
9 aco cb 1/4
16 aco cb 8/11
33 co 33/36 erase 31/34, 32,35 cb 26/29
38 cb 1/4
25 aco cb 8/11
9  aco cb 26/29
4  co 1/4 erase 2/5, 3/6 cb 8/11
16 aco cb 26/29
7  aco cb 8/11
31 co 31/34 be 32/35 cb 26/29
14 co 14/17 be 15/18 cb 32/35
27 aco cb 8/11
23 co 20/23 be 19/22 cb 15/18
14 aco cb 19/22
24 aco cb 26/29
16 aco cb 32/35
18 co 15/18 erase 13/16, 14/17 cb 8/11
20 aco cb 19/22
22 WIN
32
28
8
35
20
26
34
37
33
37
30
33
19
7
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 19:32:57 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 05:15:18 PM
31 co 31/34
3  co 3/6
35  co 32/35 be 33/36 cb 33/36
32 aco cb 33/36
36 WIN, start over
3  co 3/6
17 co 14/17
35 co 32/35
30 co 27/30
32 aco
18 co 15/18 be 13/16 cb 13/16
7  co 7/10 cb 13/16
36 co 33/36 be 31/34 cb 31/34
24 co 21/24 cb 13/16
6  aco cb 31/34
19 co 19/22 be 20/23 cb 13/16
5  co 2/5 be 1/4 cb 20/23
27 aco cb 31/34
20 co 20/23 erase 19/22, 21/24 cb 1/4
31 co 31/34 erase 32/35, 33/36 cb 13/16
33 co 33/36 be 32/35 cb 32/35
38 cb 1/4
7  aco cb 13/16
19 co 19/22 be 21/24 cb 21/24
1  co 1/4 erase 2/5, 3/6 cb 32/35
16 co 13/16 erase 14/17, 15/18 cb 21/24
35 co 32/35 erase 31/34, 33/36 cb 21/24
7  aco cb 21/24
20 aco cb 21/24
8  co 8/11 be 9/12 cb 9/12
34 co 31/34 be 33/36 cb 21/24
7  aco cb 33/36
29 co 26/29 be 25/28 cb 9/12
3  co 3/6 be 2/5 cb 21/24
6 aco cb 25/28
25 WIN
10
25
10
27

31
31
10
37
21
28
22
11
37
22
5
6
38
7
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 19:53:50 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 05:20:19 PM
Thats it for now. I'm not against flat betting but for YOUR OWN sake, dont change the bet selection. The HOW, not the WHY. Maybe.....bet on all splits that qualify (there are only a MAX of 6). If/when you get to minus 18 units (breaking even at least on a win) start over fresh??  Come to think of it, now I'm curious. The next FEW (not sure how many I want to do) I'll do it flat betting, you choose the unit sizes.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
be=bet, m=minus (units), co=cross off, aco=already crossed off

5  co 2/5
38
26 co 26/29
1  co 1/4 betting 3/6
13 co 13/16 m1
11 co 8/11 m2
13 aco m3
4  aco m4
29 aco m5
5 aco m6
6 WIN plus 11 units. start over
7  co 7/10
26 co 26/29
11 co 8/11 betting 9/12
33 co 33/36 m1
11 aco m2
27 co 27/30 betting 25/28 m3
15 co 15/18 m5
5  co 2/5 m7
9  WIN plus 9 units, start over.
20 co 20/23
3  co 3/6
27 co 27/30
20 aco
23 aco
1  co 1/4 betting 2/5
30 aco m1
1  aco m2
10 co 7/10 m3
11 co 8/11 betting 9/12 m4
32 co 32/35 m6
20 aco m8
4  aco m10
2  WIN, plus 6 units
38
6
32
4
20
18
37
35
23
19
35
36
13
8
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 20:24:42 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 05:55:18 PM
 (Rule change for flat betting - we will HALT the rule of 2 hits in same DS, in first 2 spins, start over)
23 co 20/23
5  co 2/5
22 co 19/22 betting 21/24
1  co 1/4 betting 3/6 m1
24 (lol) WIN plus 15 units. Start over
23 co 20/23
3  co 3/6
3  aco
12 co 9/12
5  co 2/5 betting 1/4
34 co 31/34 m1
7  co 7/10 betting 8/11 m2
34 aco m4
9  aco m6
1  WIN plus 10 units. Start over
13 co 13/16
24 co 21/24
5  co 2/5
5  aco
35 co 32/35
12 co 9/12
12 aco
4  co 1/4 betting 3/6
33 co 33/36 betting 31/34 m1
24 aco m3
33 aco m5
13 aco m7
29 co 26/29 m9
36 aco m11
8  co 8/11 betting 7/10 m13
31 WIN plus 2 units (big deal but not bad)
11
24
33
17
5
16
3
27
14
36
4
31
8
37
7
12
29
13
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 20:40:55 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 06:15:27 PM
10 co 7/10
23 co 20/23
7  aco
21 co 21/24 betting 19/22
5  co 2/5 m1
30 co 27/30 m2
9  co 9/12 betting 8/11 m3
28 co 25/28 betting 26/29 m5
21 aco m8
29 WIN plus 10 units. Start over
35 co 32/35
32 aco
11 co 8/11
8  aco
32 aco
3  co 3/6
7  co 7/10 betting 9/12
18 co 15/18 m1
34 co 31/34 betting 33/36 m2
14 co 14/17 betting 13/16 m4
15 aco m7
33 WIN plus 8 units. Start over
1  co 1/4
17 co 14/17
31 co 31/34
30 co 27/30
25 co 25/28 betting 26/29
9  co 9/12 m1
3  co 3/6 betting 2/5 m2
35 co 32/35 betting 33/36 m4
1  aco m7
2  WIN plus 8 units, Start over
32 co 32/35
19 co 19/22
27 co 27/30
11 co 8/11
11 aco
32 aco
15 co 15/18
7  co 7/10 betting 9/12
11 aco m1
30 aco m2
35 aco m3
33 co 33/36 betting 31/34 m4
23 co 20/23 betting 21/24 m6
11 aco m9
28 co 25/28 betting 26/29 m12
24 WIN plus 2 units. Start over
11 co 8/11
28 co 25/28
17 co 14/17
35 co 32/35
10 co 7/10 betting 9/12
8  aco m1
13 co 13/16 betting 15/18 m2
13 aco m4
7  aco m6
14 aco m8
9  WIN plus 8 units. Looking good so far but we WILL get losses at some point.
27
19
14
31
22
7
13
36
30
37
29
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 20:57:48 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
31 co 31/34
8  co 8/11
3  co 3/6
35 co 32/35 betting 33/36
38 m1
28 co 25/28 m2
25 aco m3
18 co 15/18 m4
4  co 1/4 betting 2/5 m5
1  aco m7
8  aco m9
32 aco m11
31 aco m13
34 aco m15
5 WIN plus 1 unit. Start over
29 co 26/29
19 co 19/22
26 aco
2  co 2/5
38
27 co 27/30 betting 25/28
1  co 1/4 betting 3/6 m1
35 co 32/35 m3
26 aco m5
13 co 13/16 m7
31 co 31/34 betting 33/36 m9
8  co 8/11 m12
35 aco m15
32 aco m18. MINUS 18 units. I knew it was coming, start over.
35 co 32/35
25 co 25/28
7  co 7/10
36 co 33/36 betting 31/34
34 BAM BABY! win, plus 17 units, start over.
14 co 14/17
5  co 2/5
23 co 20/23
18 co 15/18 betting 13/16
15 aco m1
27 co 27/30 m2
35 co 32/35 m3
38 m4
14 aco m5
27 aco m6
6  co 3/6 betting 1/4 m7
11 co 8/11 m9
15 aco m11
14 aco m13
21 co 21/24 betting 19/22 m15
21 aco Minus 18 units.
7
29
31
8
19
17
1
12
6
28
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 21:18:20 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
27 co 27/30
14 co 14/17
6  co 3/6
9  co 9/12
23 co 20/23
27 aco
7  co 7/10 betting 8/11
7  aco m1
22 co 19/22 betting 21/24 m2
15 co 15/19 betting 13/16 m4
22 aco m7
25 co 25/28 betting 26/29 m10
32 co 32/35 m14
24 WIN Broke even, start over
16 co 13/16
32 co 32/35
27 co 27/30
15 co 15/18 betting 14/17
19 co 19/22 m1
38 m2
38 m3
26 co 26/29 betting 25/28 m4
31 co 31/34 betting 33/36 m6
31 aco m9
14 WIN plus 6 units, start over
14 co 14/17
25 co 25/28
31 co 31/34
36 co 33/36 betting 32/35
2  co 2/5 m1
37 m2
16 co 13/16 betting 15/18 m3
29 co 26/29 betting 27/30 m5
29 aco m8
16 aco m11
13 aco m14
28 aco m17
27 >> Tough call only because we SEE the number next, it would be a win. In reality, I would of taken the minus 17, start over.

33 co 33/36
17 co 14/17
24 co 21/24
7  co 7/10
37
31 co 31/34 betting 32/35
9  co 9/12 betting 8/11 m1
35 WIN plus 15 units, start over.
11 co 8/11
32 co 32/35
23 co 20/23
32 aco
31 co 31/34 betting 33/36
30 co 27/30 m1
2  co 2/5 m2
24 co 21/24 betting 19/22 m3
8  aco m5
32 aco m7
9  co 9/12 betting 7/10 m9
18 co 15/18 m12
24 aco m15
11 aco Minus 18, stop
15
20
36
38
31
35
22
26
23
Timestamp: 2009-08-29 21:34:33 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 07:02:38 PM
My eyes are killing me, I need a break. My total says +75 units. Its a short test, yes I know. Any comments?  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Breeze88 on August 29, 2009, 07:06:57 PM
Hi Ken


I like this way of playing !! nice job .. i will wrap my head arround this . this seriously has drawn my attention and brought me back to roulette !!!
i will might look at it a bit differently as you did .. but  not too much .. thnx for pointing me in a new fresh direction !!!!

i will post the idea when i have tested it ..



cheerz
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 07:15:27 PM
Looking forward to it sir. I am leaning towards flat betting (I cant believe I said that). +75 units at $10 per... +$750 or at $25 per = +$1,875.   Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: xman1970 on August 29, 2009, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 07:15:27 PM
Looking forward to it sir. I am leaning towards flat betting (I cant believe I said that).

WoW   :swoon:

That is a sentence I NEVER thought I'd hear from you Ken..... ;)

Thx for sharing n the examples..... :good:
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: GTPfan on August 29, 2009, 09:09:56 PM
Hi Ken,
Just my 2 cents but in my testing I would use a 75 unit bankroll, I would play all the splits with 1 unit until I reached -17, sometimes on the last split I was playing 4 splits, when I reached -17 I played 1 unit on each number, so that could be upto 12 units per spin, when a hit would occur I would cross of just the number that hit and continue playing the other numbers.  You cant believe the number of hits recieved in the next few spins, yes sometimes it would drag out but most times I recieved enough hits to quit and sometimes with a 20+ unit profit for that session




                                                                                                                                                               Russell
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 11:45:26 PM

37
1  co 1/4
36 co 33/36
4  aco
38
15 co 15/18
5  co 2/5 betting 3/6
1  aco m1
36 aco m2
6  WIN plus 15 units, start over.
4  co 1/4
37
15 co 15/18
38
23 co 20/23
24 co 21/24 betting 19/22
26 co 26/29 m1
31 co 31/34 m2
22 WIN (lol) plus 15 units, start over.
36 co 33/36
3  co 3/6
38
14 co 14/17
11 co 8/11
13 co 13/16 betting 15/18
5  co 2/5 betting 1/4 m1
33 aco m3
29 co 26/29 m5
33 aco m7
11 aco m9
14 aco m11
17 aco m13
20 co 20/23 m15
21 co 21/24 betting 19/22(no) minus 17 units stop, start over
17 co 14/17
31 co 31/34
3  co 3/6
31 aco
12 co 9/12
16 co 13/16 betting 15/18
8  co 8/11 betting 7/10 m1
17 aco m3
35 co 32/35 betting 33/36 m5
25 co 25/28 m8
19 co 19/22 m11
30 co 27/30 betting 26/29 m14
38 minus 18 units, stop, start over
21 co 21/24
38
26 co 26/29
13 co 13/16
4  co 1/4
24 aco
33 co 33/36
29 aco
6 co 3/6 betting 2/5
10 co 7/10 m1
32 co 32/34 betting 31/34 m2
34 WIN (just in time) plus 14 units
Timestamp: 2009-08-30 02:23:02 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2009, 12:05:46 AM
2  co 2/5
33 co 33/36
10 co 7/10
10 aco
13 co 13/16
15 co 15/18 betting 14/17
17 (lol) WIN plus 17 units, start over
9  co 9/12
34 co 31/34
1  co 1/4
16 co 13/16
30 co 27/30
23 co 20/23
19 co 19/22 betting 21/24
10 co 7/10 betting 8/11 m1
20 aco m3
14 co 14/17 betting 15/18 m5
17 aco m8
37 m11
31 aco m14
28 co 25/28 (no need to) minus 17 units, start over :(
36 co 33/36
9  co 9/12
34 co 31/34 betting 32/35
26 co 26/29 m1
34 aco m2
13 co 13/16 m3
9  aco m4
31 aco m5
19 co 19/22 m6
11 co 8/11 betting 7/10 m7
10 WIN plus 9 units, start over
4  co 1/4
30 co 27/30
6  co 3/6 betting 2/5
11 co 8/11 m1
15 co 15/18 m2
22 co 19/22 m3
28 co 25/28 betting 26/29 m4
34 co 31/34 m6
18 aco m8
7  co 7/10 betting 9/12 m10
35 co 32/35 betting 33/36 m13
29 WIN (thank God) plus 1 unit, start over
31 co 31/34
10 co 7/10
35 co 32/35 betting 33/36
35 aco m1
38 m2
24 co 21/24 m3
33 WIN plus 14 units, I'm off to the bar...see ya guys!
31
11
14
37
38
4
12
26
9
17
16
22
4
22
Timestamp: 2009-08-30 02:50:13 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2009, 01:17:46 PM
I did two sessions late yesterday as you can see. Those two were PLUS 33 units added to the 75....PLUS 108 units so far! (Progression Lunatic OR Flat Lunatic? lol)  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2009, 07:54:07 PM
I'm trying to figure out how to proceed with this if anyone is still interested? Keep it the same? It is plus 108 units, not bad. OR on the losing sessions, keep going in the session until a profit is made? If that worked 100%, that would be the HG which we know does not exist but not a bad way to play?

I dont know. Like I said, what a WASTE of a good idea here, the splits DO HIT, its just a matter of the betting plan.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: kav on August 30, 2009, 10:21:53 PM
Have you tried it with flatbet?
It all depents on how risky you feel actually. If I was on a gambling mod I'd prog and keep the same splits (no start over) otherwise I'd flatbet.
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2009, 10:37:19 PM
Its plus 108 units, it is flat betting. "Keep the same splits" for how long, thats ONE of the issues. That split might not hit for 80 spins. Keep betting on it?  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: kav on August 30, 2009, 10:43:20 PM
Sorry I didnt notice you were flatbeting already.
108units profit with flatbet is even more impressive.
When I say keep the same bet I mean to not stop betting on the split that hit.
Anyway, maybe I need to read the whole thread gain.
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: VLSroulette on August 31, 2009, 02:23:01 AM
Quote from: Mr J on August 30, 2009, 07:54:07 PM
Like I said, what a WASTE of a good idea here, the splits DO HIT, its just a matter of the betting plan.  Ken

Dear Kenneth,

Have you tried an "up as you win" like the reversed atila (rise +1, one split at a time after a hit) OR the pluscoup (all involved splits rise  +1 on a hit). Start over on any positive balance.

Kind regards.
Victor
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 12:47:51 PM
I thought about this for a while. I'm going to do new testing (which I will post of course) up as I LOSE, down as I win, I'll start this later today.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 05:31:20 PM
Ok, I'm gonna be starting out (lowest level) at $10 per. With each LOSING session, up $5 per. Each WINNING session, down $5 per but never under the $10 mark. I know that some like to do the opposite, not me. I will stop a session when I get to minus 16 TO minus 19 units. Examples to follow......
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 05:45:06 PM
** $10 per **


25 co 25/28
12 co 9/12
24 co 21/24
23 co 20/23 betting 19/22
30 co 27/30 betting 26/29 m1
6  co 3/6 m3
4  co 1/4 betting 2/5 m5
7  co 7/10 betting 8/11 m8
11 WIN plus 6 units, start over
5
22
5
31
9
34
12
7
18
27
5
5
10
26
26
6
25
15
8
12
12
1
19
23
21
25
36
27
33
6
8
11
18
8
4
35
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 20:35:49 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 05:54:03 PM
Balance +$60....$10 per


12 co 9/12
9  aco
2  co 2/5
5  aco
28 co 25/28
29 co 26/29 betting 27/30
31 co 31/34 m1
7  co 7/10 betting 8/11 m2
12 aco m4
4  co 1/4 betting 3/6 m6
1  aco m9
2  aco m12
2  aco m15
30 WIN (thank God) minus 17 units, broke even. If we break even, I'm still going UP on the next session!  Ken

34
6
9
8
35
16
25
38
2
11
35
26
12
33
34
32
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 20:47:00 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
Balance +$60.......$15 per


37
4  co 1/4
20 co 20/23
38
32 co 32/35
20 aco
7  co 7/10
19 co 19/22 betting 21/24
13 co 13/16 m1
8  co 8/11 betting 9/12 m2
32 aco m4
20 aco m6
28 co 25/28 m8
1  aco m10
26 co 26/29 betting 27/30 m12
37 m15
26 aco minus 18 units, STOP, start over
34
26
17
23
29
1
6
1
17
22
37
4
8
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 20:56:03 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:09:16 PM
Balance -210.....$20 per


31 co 31/34
36 co 33/36 betting 32/35
33 aco m1
30 co 27/30 m2
24 co 21/24 m3
16 co 13/16 m4
27 aco m5
10 co 7/10 m6
19 co 19/22 betting 20/23 m7
31 aco m9
27 aco m11
23 WIN plus 5 units, start over
15
1
21
16
34
24
21
30
38
23
3
5
27
22
13
5
6
14
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:03:49 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:13:56 PM
Balance -$110.....$15 per


12 co 9/12
7  co 7/10 betting 8/11
25 co 25/28 m1
31 co 31/34 m2
24 co 21/24 m3
30 co 27/30 betting 26/29 m4
7  aco m6
28 aco m8
34 aco m10
29 WIN plus 6 units, start over
35
35
9
13
28
36
26
29
27
37
29
27
2
31
22
1
3
38
24
9
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:09:43 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:21:21 PM
Balance -$20.....$10 per


12 co 9/12
16 co 13/16
18 co 15/18 betting 14/17
24 co 21/24 m1
5  co 2/5 m2
22 co 19/22 m3
11 co 8/11 betting 7/10 m4
15 aco m6
9  aco m8
3  co 3/6 betting 1/4 m10
29 co 26/29 m13
8  minus 16 units. STOP, start over
37
11
9
21
25
33
17
15
13
14
27
10
33
37
15
37
30
7
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:16:00 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:28:06 PM
Balance -$180.....$15 per



1  co 1/4
8  co 8/11
2  co 2/5 betting 3/6
9  co 9/12 betting 7/10 m1
22 co 19/22 m3
22 aco m5
17 co 14/17 m7
24 co 21/24 betting 20/23 m9
12 aco m12
4  aco m15
28 minus 18 units, STOP, start over
1
10
32
32
13
12
15
7
35
25
1
35
10
32
32
23
21
15
15
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:22:39 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:33:57 PM
Balance -$450....... $20 per




8  co 8/11
6  co 3/6
19 co 19/22
15 co 15/18
6  aco
14 co 14/17 betting 13/16
30 co 27/30 m1
16 WIN plus 16 units, start over (the best wins are when we only have ONE bet going on at the time)

8
11
16
6
3
16
37
33
18
9
2
23
3
8
34
30
29
27
7
23
7
3
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:28:26 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:40:29 PM
Balance -$130.......$15 per


22 co 19/22
36 co 33/36
14 co 14/17
3  co 3/6
27 co 27/30
36 aco
12 co 9/12
18 co 15/18 betting 13/16
9  aco m1
9  aco m2
36 aco m3
24 co 21/24 betting 20/23 m4
28 co 25/28 betting 26/29 m6
21 aco m9
5  co 2/5 betting 1/4 m12
8  co 8/11 betting 7/10 minus 16 units STOP, start over
4
30
5
11
22
34
28
4
6
30
24
23
30
25
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:34:44 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:45:29 PM
Balance -$370......$20 per


27 co 27/30
28 co 25/28 betting 26/29
33 co 33/36 m1
17 co 14/17 m2
22 co 19/22 m3
18 co 15/18 betting 13/16 m4
9  co 9/12 m6
36 aco m8
35 co 32/35 betting 31/34 m10
30 aco m13
9  aco minus 16 units STOP, start over
26
26
17
4
33
20
17
31
14
35
34
18
13
28
11
1
16
20
30
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:41:01 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:51:01 PM
(Not looking good) Balance -$690.......$25 per


35 co 32/35
9  co 9/12
18 co 15/18
31 co 31/34 betting 33/36
21 co 21/24 m1
10 co 7/10 betting 8/11 m2
10 aco m4
27 co 27/30 m6
31 aco m8
11 WIN plus 8 units, start over
24
18
9
36
9
13
12
13
9
21
25
3
10
9
10
28
29
28
17
1
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:46:27 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:55:28 PM
Balance -$490.....$20 per


11 co 8/11
10 co 7/10 betting 9/12
14 co 14/17 m1
24 co 21/24 m2
3  co 3/6 m3
25 co 25/28 m4
11 aco m5
12 WIN plus 12 units, start over
21
17
3
1
34
36
10
19
3
14
34
26
30
34
18
13
18
24
17
23
24
11
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:51:22 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
Balance -$250.....$15 per


30 co 27/30
34 co 31/34
9  co 9/12
2  co 2/5
24 co 21/24
33 co 33/36 betting 32/35
5  aco m1
32 WIN plus 16 units, start over
10
7
11
33
2
26
37
10
6
15
37
35
38
4
20
14
34
35
1
38
22
32
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 21:55:50 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:05:37 PM
Balance -$10.......$10 per


4  co 1/4
5  co 2/5 betting 3/6
20 co 20/23 m1
2  aco m2
9  co 9/12 m3
33 co 33/36 m4
18 co 15/18 m5
36 aco m6
6  WIN plus 11 units, start over
21
12
7
11
25
25
32
15
29
19
4
7
9
8
34
6
25
5
13
18
11
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:00:56 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:09:24 PM
(Alot of spins/time for $100) Balance +$100......$10 per


11 co 8/11
32 co 32/35
4  co 1/4
23 co 20/23
13 co 13/16
12 co 9/12 betting 7/10
10 WIN plus 17 units, start over
8
38
9
29
28
9
4
24
37
4
27
5
35
28
22
38
5
1
8
30
3
3
29
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:06:10 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:15:18 PM
Balance +$270.....$10 per


22 co 19/22
18 co 15/18
25 co 25/28
23 co 20/23 betting 21/24
26 co 26/29 betting 27/30 m1
8  co 8/11 m3
21 WIN plus 13 units, start over
22
25
24
30
38
9
23
26
1
2
35
8
12
29
13
36
35
22
21
18
24
38
7
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:11:18 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:19:48 PM
Balance +$400.....(still) $10 per


7  co 7/10
23 co 20/23
3  co 3/6
19 co 19/22 betting 21/24
24 WIN plus 17 units, start over (Is anyone watching this or no one interested?)
22
25
15
20
20
18
4
30
7
30
28
2
38
3
22
15
4
7
36
15
22
26
31
22
36
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:15:37 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:25:46 PM
Balance +$570......$10 per


31 co 31/34
4  co 1/4
1  aco
9 co 9/12
5 co 2/5 betting 3/6
1  aco m1
25 co 25/28 m2
27 co 27/30 betting 26/29 m3
16 co 13/16 m5
3  WIN plus 11 units, start over
35
6
2
5
15
17
14
37
32
22
36
25
5
18
8
38
37
35
1
35
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:20:58 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:32:37 PM
Balance +$680......$10 per


6  co 3/6
25 co 25/28
14 co 14/17
24 co 21/24
8  co 8/11
5  co 2/5 betting 1/4
34 co 31/34 m1
12 co 9/12 betting 7/10 m2
2  aco m4
25 aco m6
18 co 15/18 betting 13/16 m8
2  aco m11
31 aco m14
16 WIN plus 1 unit, start over
21
26
15
3
14
7
11
36
24
28
2
13
34
3
31
28
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:27:03 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:36:40 PM
(9 winning sessions in a row) Balance +$690......$10 per


25 co 25/28
6  co 3/6
5  co 2/5 betting 1/4
30 co 27/30 betting 26/29 m1
1  WIN plus 15 units, start over
18
2
32
6
26
3
10
1
1
29
3
6
15
25
12
18
18
27
12
13
5
11
2
6
12
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:32:56 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
Balance +$840.....$10 per


36
22
23
21  (lol) I'm jumping ahead, WIN plus 17 units, start over
22
31
2
27
6
38
31
7
14
16
7
7
18
5
34
6
4
36
35
12
22
31
34
19
12
29
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:39:20 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:47:18 PM
Balance +$1,010......$10 per


1  co 1/4
35 co 32/35
1  aco
30 co 27/30
28 co 25/28 betting 26/29
35 aco m1
25 aco m2
25 aco m3
17 co 14/17 m4
10 co 7/10 m5
25 aco m6
38 m7
33 co 33/36 betting 31/34 m8
2  co 2/5 betting 3/6 m10
2  aco m13
20 co 20/23 minus 16 units STOP, start over
28
5
32
37
15
7
29
29
33
18
23
1
35
35
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:42:26 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 07:55:46 PM
Balance +$850.....$15 per


5  co 2/5
37
23 co 20/23
8  co 8/11
25 co 25/28
21 co 21/24 betting 19/22
36 co 33/36 m1
33 aco m2
7  co 7/10 betting 9/12 m3
6  co 3/6 betting 1/4 m5
31 co 31/34 betting 32/35 m8
19 WIN plus 6 units, start over
30
8
4
33
14
22
20
1
37
3
37
24
18
23
4
7
24
16
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:50:04 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
Balance +$940.....$10 per (biggest drawdown was $690)


24 co 21/24
25 co 25/28
15 co 15/18
31 co 31/34
22 co 19/22 betting 20/23
35 co 32/35 betting 33/36 m1
24 aco m3
7  co 7/10 m5
17 co 14/17 betting 13/16 m7
34 aco m10
12 co 9/12 betting 8/11 m13
28 minus 17 units, start over
31
34
26
4
7
9
4
3
27
20
21
37
15
6
2
30
25
18
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 22:57:26 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:11:46 PM
Balance +$770......$15 per


4  co 1/4
15 co 15/18
33 co 33/36
27 co 27/30
5  co 2/5 betting 3/6
7  co 7/10 m1
5  aco m2
4  aco m3
11 co 8/11 betting 9/12 m4
37 m6
25 co 25/28 betting 26/29 m8
36 aco m11
35 co 32/35 betting 31/34 m14
37 minus 18 units, start over
35
27
13
12
3
22
8
30
3
2
4
20
22
4
10
3
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:05:43 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:20:46 PM
Balance +$500.....$20 per


31 co 31/34
37
16 co 13/16
14 co 14/17 betting 15/18
32 co 32/35 betting 33/36 m1
24 co 21/24 m3
38 m5
32 aco m7
11 co 8/11 m9
19 co 19/22 betting 20/23 m11
28 co 25/28 m14
27 minus 17 units STOP, start over
7
33
34
32
36
34
31
6
2
27
35
32
3
4
29
16
25
5
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:15:50 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:27:00 PM
 Balance +$160.....$25 per


2  co 2/5
1  co 1/4 betting 3/6
5  aco m1
26 co 26/29 m2
22 co 19/22 m3
26 aco m4
23 co 20/23 betting 21/24 m5
36 co 33/36 m7
30 co 27/30 betting 25/28 m9
37 m12
14 co 14/17 m15
17 aco minus 18, units start over (not looking good)
10
16
1
9
31
1
23
37
15
21
24
33
34
29
31
22
36
3
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:21:54 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:31:44 PM
Balance -$290......$30 per


6  co 3/6
5  co 2/5 betting 1/4
29 co 26/29 m1
31 co 31/34 m2
28 co 25/28 betting 27/30 m3
36 co 33/36 betting 32/35 m5
27 WIN plus 10 units, start over
30
25
8
6
11
21
33
31
5
11
22
5
17
32
37
7
11
26
27
15
15
33
5
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:27:19 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Bazeegar on August 31, 2009, 08:34:38 PM
Just a suggestion...Can you give the end balance in the same post?
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:35:19 PM
Balance +$10......$25 per



11 co 8/11
18 co 15/18
3  co 3/6
12 co 9/12 betting 7/10
12 aco m1
3  aco m2
10 WIN plus 15 units, start over
35
28
16
24
6
24
34
27
15
36
34
36
38
18
1
29
24
15
8
20
12
6
25
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:32:04 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:37:23 PM
Its in the VERY NEXT post and current bet.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:42:19 PM
 Balance +$385.....$20 per



8 co 8/11
17 co 14/17
5 co 2/5
23 co 20/23
38
35 co 32/35
9  co 9/12 betting 7/10
5  aco m1
30 co 27/30 m2
36 co 33/36 betting 31/34 m3
18 co 15/18 betting 13/16 m5
7 WIN plus 10 units, start over
5
38
5
28
37
17
31
7
15
31
22
28
11
36
20
36
1
25
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:35:43 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
Balance +$585.......$15 per


27 co 27/30
5  co 2/5
8  co 8/11
12 co 9/12 betting 7/10
27 aco m1
22 co 19/22 m2
38 m3
34 co 31/34 m4
18 co 15/18 m5
12 aco m6
36 co 33/36 betting 32/35 m7
3  co 3/6 betting 1/4 m9
29 co 26/29 betting 25/28 m12
28 WIN plus 2 units, start over
38
31
9
14
24
38
29
4
1
28
24
22
23
35
23
37
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:43:40 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:53:19 PM
Balance +$615......$10 per


8  co 8/11
23 co 20/23
23 aco
4  co 1/4
13 co 13/16
21 co 21/24 betting 19/22
10 co 7/10 betting 9/12 m1
22 WIN plus 15 units, start over
6
34
8
9
27
7
21
32
22
27
21
13
4
37
10
3
35
4
36
28
6
23
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:50:13 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 08:58:34 PM
Balance +$765......$10 per


31
30
32
33 (I'm jumping ahead) WIN, plus 17 units, start over
20
27
13
14
21
32
8
13
5
34
24
8
12
2
29
25
33
14
10
36
31
34
34
33
29
35
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:54:04 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: kav on August 31, 2009, 08:59:59 PM
Wait wait wait!
What are you doing there?
I mean you do something really interesting, but you haven't explained it.
When you lose a session you  increase your base bet in the following session.
So you flat bet in each session, but you progress from session to session. And more, you do not just progress, you also decrease when winning. I guess that is the D;Almbert that you were talking about wit VLS. What do you think of that kind of "flatbet-progression"? I mean what does a progression lunatic thinks about it?
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:02:35 PM
Balance +$935.....$10 per (still)


4  co 1/4
38
18 co 15/18
28 co 25/28
14 co 14/17 betting 13/16
16 WIN plus 17 units, start over
10
23
18
34
31
12
28
26
4
16
14
27
31
23
17
33
24
21
26
18
17
4
11
16
Timestamp: 2009-08-31 23:58:53 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
I explained everything, you guys have to read it. Up $5 per when I lose. Down $5 per on a win.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:10:05 PM
Balance +$1,105.....$10 per


32 co 32/35
29 co 26/29
12 co 9/12
35 aco
24 co 21/24
21 aco
19 co 19/22 betting 20/23
38 m1
22 aco m2
3  co 3/6 m3
15 co 15/18 m4
38 m5
19 aco m6
30 co 27/30 betting 25/28 m7
7  co 7/10 betting 8/11 m9
34 co 31/34 betting 33/36 m12
33 WIN plus 2 units, start over
38
28
32
11
32
21
3
4
8
27
28
32
10
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:02:55 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:18:50 PM
Balance +$1,125.....$10 per


8  co 8/11
6  co 3/6
23 co 20/23
38
23 aco
23 aco
10 co 7/10 betting 9/12
22 co 19/22 betting 21/24 m1
16 co 13/16 m3
36 co 33/36 m5
36 aco m7
33 aco m9
23 aco m11
38 m13
4  co 1/4 betting 2/5 m15
10 aco minus 18 units, start over
4
30
35
21
15
9
11
35
38
19
2
35
31
25
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:13:24 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:23:22 PM
Balance +$945......$15 per


17 co 14/17
28 co 25/28
26 co 26/29 betting 27/30
11 co 8/11 m1
14 aco m2
14 aco m3
15 co 15/18 betting 13/16 m4
22 co 19/22 m6
4  co 1/4 m8
28 aco m10
27 WIN plus 6 units, start over
34
2
9
29
6
16
2
7
4
9
8
3
35
26
20
11
31
11
7
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:19:11 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:28:07 PM
Balance +$1,035......$10 per


21 co 21/24
2  co 2/5
4  co 1/4 betting 3/6
32 co 32/35 m1
30 co 27/30 m2
4  aco m3
1  aco m4
23 co 20/23 betting 19/22 m5
18 co 15/18 m7
30 aco m9
27 aco m11
30 aco m13
37 m15
38 minus 17 units, start over
33
22
32
23
5
36
31
5
37
37
21
21
22
21
25
37
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:23:47 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:32:44 PM
Balance +$865......$15 per




1  co 1/4
31 co 31/34
18 co 15/18
27 co 27/30
4  aco
24 co 21/24
34 aco
30 aco
38
23 co 20/23 betting 19/22
8  co 8/11 m1
19 WIN plus 16 units, start over
16
14
34
6
13
16
13
31
4
12
26
35
15
7
18
21
4
4
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:28:35 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Bazeegar on August 31, 2009, 09:34:05 PM
Plus 271 and minus 205 =  Plus 66 units ...Flat betting....Nice results till now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:39:15 PM
Balance +$1,105......$10 per


25 co 25/28
26 co 26/29 betting 27/30
34 co 31/34 m1
28 aco m2
31 aco m3
23 co 20/23 m4
15 co 15/18 m5
20 aco m6
15 aco m7
15 aco m8
8  co 8/11 m9
21 co 21/24 betting 19/22 m10
37 m12
15 aco m14
2  co 2/5 minus 16 units STOP, start over
6
1 >>> would be a win but lets stick to the rules.
10
23
17
35
21
26
3
20
31
33
27
6
34
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:33:04 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:42:21 PM
"Plus 271 and minus 205 =  66 units ...Flat betting....Nice results till now" >>> Based on ALL bets being the same, which they are not. 66 units at +$945, I'll take it.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:47:34 PM
Balance +$945......$15 per


20 co 20/23
13 co 13/16
1  co 1/4
5  co 2/5 betting 3/6
14 co 14/17 betting 15/18 m1
4  aco m3
30 co 27/30 m5
16 aco m7
20 aco m9
7  co 7/10 m11
4  aco m13
9  co 9/12 betting 8/11 m15
10 minus 18 units STOP, start over
15
36
16
7
37
5
38
1
29
6
23
22
28
17
37
9
1
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:42:43 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:52:15 PM
Balance +$675......$20 per


27 co 27/30
11 co 8/11
37
21 co 21/24
22 co 19/22 betting 20/23
32 co 32/35 m1
24 aco m2
23 WIN plus 15 units, start over
38
29
16
15
16
11
1
21
8
4
3
34
32
30
12
11
9
19
12
15
13
9
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:47:57 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 09:57:20 PM
Balance +$975......$15 per




1  co 1/4
27 co 27/30
27 aco
30 aco
21 co 21/24
15 co 15/18
4  aco
18 aco
26 co 26/29 betting 25/28
3  co 3/6 betting 2/5 m1
35 co 32/35 m3
2  WIN plus 13 units, start over
19
5
30
15
10
10
13
18
12
13
24
21
24
21
15
27
34
34
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:53:11 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 10:01:58 PM
Balance +$1,170.....$10 per


23 co 20/23
26 co 26/29
29 aco
3  co 3/6
4  co 1/4 betting 2/5
19 co 19/22 betting 21/24 m1
38 m3
6  aco m5
8  co 8/11 m7
22 aco m9
11 aco m11
22 aco m13
26 aco m15
30 minus 17 units STOP, start over
30
34
31
26
31
16
28
19
12
12
11
33
1
25
4
24
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 00:57:49 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 10:07:03 PM
Balance +$1,000.......$15 per


14 co 14/17
30 co 27/30
27 aco
24 co 21/24
3  co 3/6
20 co 20/23 betting 19/22
18 co 15/18 betting 13/16 m1
34 co 31/34 m3
29 co 26/29 betting 25/28 m5
15 aco m8
14 aco m11
13 WIN plus 4 units, start over
33
5
2
36
34
5
19
28
13
35
4
30
33
16
27
35
29
21
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 01:02:22 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 10:12:47 PM
Balance +$1,060.....$10 per


33 co 33/36
14 co 14/17
11 co 8/11
29 co 26/29
20 co 20/23
13 co 13/16 betting 15/18
26 aco m1
30 co 27/30 betting 25/28 m2
3  co 3/6 m4
27 aco m6
30 aco m8
12 co 9/12 betting 7/10 m10
1  co 1/4 betting 2/5 m13
38 minus 17 units STOP, start over
32
19
18
4
37
1
4
34
32
26
18
21
4
23
9
3
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 01:07:29 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 10:17:51 PM
Balance +$890......$15 per


30 co 27/30
5  co 2/5
36 co 33/36
1  co 1/4 betting 3/6
24 co 21/24 m1
38 m2
23 co 20/23 betting 19/22 m3
13 co 13/16 m5
32 co 32/35 betting 31/34 m7
29 co 26/29 betting 25/28 m10
4  aco m14
23 aco minus 18 units STOP start over
12
17
2
11
12
20
2
1
22
11
34
27
4
24
4
11
12
34
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 01:13:08 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 10:23:17 PM
Balance +$620.....$20 per


2  co 2/5
25 co 25/28
21 co 21/24
2  aco
17 co 14/17
35 co 32/35
11 co 8/11
16 co 13/16 betting 15/18
26 co 26/29 betting 27/30 m1
1  co 1/4 betting 3/6 m3
19 co 19/22 betting 20/23 m6
1  aco m10
17 aco m14
7 minus 18 units STOP start over
5
31
3
38
7
6
28
32
29
21
22
8
8
11
7
8
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 01:18:20 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
Balance +$260......$25 per


1  co 1/4
5  co 2/5 betting 3/6
34 co 31/34 m1
13 co 13/16 m2
34 aco m3
13 aco m4
27 co 27/30 m5
38 m6
2  aco m7
21 co 21/24 m8
17 co 14/17 betting 15/18 m9
23 co 20/23 betting 19/22 m11
25 co 25/28 betting 26/29 m14
10 minus 18 units STOP, start over
2
37
9
35
32
29
2
27
27
20
11
32
16
24
7
31
Timestamp: 2009-09-01 01:23:36 UTC
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2009, 10:32:09 PM
I am tired, lol. We are at -$190. I will pick up where I left off in a day or two.  Ken
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: xman1970 on August 31, 2009, 11:13:09 PM
Thx for all the testing Ken.... :good:
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: kav on September 01, 2009, 03:04:08 AM
Yep this is amazing to follow.
Congrats for your hard work,
Title: Re: Kav and rjeaton1
Post by: iboba on September 15, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
Quote from: Mr J on August 29, 2009, 04:22:47 AM
Here are your random numbers:

37
2 CO the 2/5
37
3 CO the 3/6 (bet on the 1/4 split)
5
22 CO the 19/22
14 CO the 14/17
18 CO the 15/18 (bet on the 13/16 split)
14
30 CO the 27/30
32 CO the 32/35
13 WIN Stop? If we kept going, watch...
2
28 CO the 25/28 (bet on the 26/29 split)
21 CO the 21/24 (bet on the 20/23 split)
19
26 WIN
1 WIN
37
23 WIN
9
23
5
17
8
19
8
21
13
15
8
33
27
27
14
30
36
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Timestamp: 2009-08-28 16:34:49 UTC

Hi guys,
This method should be play on the last 3 unhit crossings of dozens&columns ex;

--1-4-7-10..........dozen 1 & column 1.....didnt cross as yet.
--14.17-20-23-....dozen 2 & column 2.....didnt hit as yet---------3 POSSIBLE VARIATIONS
--27-30-33-36.....dozen 3 & column 3.....didn't hit as yet
there are other 5 possible variations to properly play this,ex;
--1-4-7-10
--15-18-21-24---second variation
--26-29-32-35
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--2-5-8-11
--13-16-19-22--third variation
--27-30-33-36
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--2-5-8-11
--15-18-21-24--fourth variation
--25-28-31-34
--------------------
--3-6-9-12
--14-17-20-23--fift variation
--25-28-31-34
--------------------
--3-6-9-12
--13-16-19-22---last variation
--26-29-32-35
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These 6 unhited crossings of dozens &columns are
suggested to play,as here you DO NOT FEAR
of sleeping dozen or either column.

--Other crossings where 4 splits are in the same column---DO NOT PLAY.
--I rise one chip each spin until it hits....if in minus start a new cycle with 2 chips
  and so.Depends where I play,envoirement,how many players,I still sometime play this method.
  You can try and let us know....................Cheers..............Iboba 8) 8)