Hi,
New to the forum. Excellent presentation.
On a current affair tv programme in Sydney,Aus a guy presented CASINO BUSTERS system.
Costs $1200. 00 US.
This tv programme only presents genuine stories,in MOST CASES.
Apparently a live demo took place in front of the press at the Melbourne casino.
He apparently made $7,000. 00 in 2 hours,live.
So,in your experience,any feedback on this roulette system.
First class site.
Regards,
r5
Hello R5, welcome to the forum and thanks for making your first post.
You can find some related opinions about it here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/free-system/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/free-system/)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/more-about-the-free-system/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/more-about-the-free-system/)
As it seems our fellow top member from the aussie crew Lionel/Lanky tried to take the offer, read what happened at the threads above.
Kind regards and here's hoping you have a fruitful and nice experience as a part of the VLSroulette.com family.
Keep those posts coming.
Victor
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
The only reason i responded was due to the fact it was presented by chanel 7.
This particular programme specialises in exposing crooks and scammers,so
to present a scam on their programme and that he won LIVE in Melbourne casino
about 7K. in 2 hours.
If this appeared on a normal website,well say no more but to win,live play in front of the press,
APPEARED possibly genuine.
The price is interesting,as it was FREE,then 50% off,now i have been advised $US 1200. 00.
Apparently,he has world players,they play,investment guaranteed and the system is included.
I have seen professional players at Star City,roulette tournaments,so these people know something.
It appeared credible by the press witness the win and for ch7 to run this story.
Regards.
r5
If it's a system, and it's for sale: it doesn't work.
Hi,
Thanks for you reply.
Any thoughts on the story that he played at the Melbourne casino ,live,in front of the press.
Apparently, he won 7K,in 2 hours,with the press as a witness.
Regards,
r5
Great to see the forum on in N.Ireland again manymany Thanks .Colin
A friend got the system and shared it with me recently.
Again, if it's a system and it's for sale, then save your time and money my friend.
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Hi Marven,
Can you explains to us how the system work ??
Why so many topics about this crap?
Quote from: dvdmaster on August 29, 2009, 09:56:01 AM
Hi Marven,
Can you explains to us how the system work ??
The system uses a ridiculously simple layout-based trigger (wait for a color to hit twice in a row then bet a certain amount on that color plus a certain amount on a couple specific splits).
Same old rubbish. It's just that the seller's tactics make people believe otherwise.
R5
Let me tell you something.
Assuming there is a winning system out there, and I'm not saying there is, but for the sake of argument assume there actually is.
There would be no group of witnesses you could bring to the table to witness the test and have anyone on this forum believe it. If they were there in person, they still would not believe it. If they played the system and made $7,000 themselves, they still would not believe it. You are fighting a loosing battle!
It's like the person who's seen a UFO. Even a former President of the U.S. has admitted to seeing one. Yet, no one believes. If you've seen a UFO, just relax in the personal knowledge they exist. If you come across a winning system, well, you get the idea.
Sam
That's true Sam :) because real proof should be something like providing the method to reliable unbiased parties who would test it over significant amounts of trials and report back to the public with the results including the edge the method yields, etc.
But you never see system sellers provide such info do you? As a friend of mine once remarked, you never see them mention Standard Deviation, Chi Square tests, etc. Just: "he made 7k live in front of witnesses", and such.
You can indeed bet that no body with an understanding of standard deviation would take that for granted even if he actually was one of the witnesses.
The guy supposedly played for only 2 hours and netted 7.000 bucks, which means he most likely used $10 (or even $100 chips).
I know that the system uses over 10 units per bet, that means more $100 per bet.
He just had a successful session, but such short-term result is far from being significant to a serious buyer who is interested in winning consistently. :)
Regards,
Marven
"The guy supposedly played for only 2 hours and netted 7.000 bucks, which means he most likely used $10 (or even $100 chips)." >>> There is no way he used $10 units. Either $25 or $50 or $75 or blacks. Ken
Marven
I honestly wonder what proof a person would need. I don't even know what a chi square is.
Sam
Quote from: R5 on August 29, 2009, 05:15:35 AM
Hi,
Thanks for you reply.
Any thoughts on the story that he played at the Melbourne casino ,live,in front of the press.
Apparently, he won 7K,in 2 hours,with the press as a witness.
Regards,
r5
Hi People.
Well I live in the next State up North from where that was presented.
And all I saw along with others in this State was that the Sound Man was Given the same amout of Chips as the Reporter.
And after 9 minutes of play(which We did not see)
The sound Man lost all His Chips and the Presenter Won $320.
Now Here is the Kicker the Guy that was Selling this System was the Guy spinning the Wheel.
I could not tell if it was at Crown Casino in Melbourne or Not.
I just assumed it was the Guys Own wheel....I could not see how Crown would allow someone else to spin their Wheels.
I Know nothing about the So Called $7000 Won.
I am just telling it as it appeared up here in this State to us,thats all.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky
Thanks for shedding some light on the way that this was conducted mate.
I too have seen this system and tried it and it is awful.I say to all those thinking about the claims made, to forget them and move on ....THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR
TSK
Hi Sam
From your reply,if i meet you at the casino and i win $500,you will not believe it?
I invite you back next week and do the same,you will not believe it.
I invite you back . . . . . . etc. . . .
He took this story to ch7,they to ensure it was genuine,sent a press team to witness.
He won 7k in 2 hours.
A fluke,maybe,or yes or well done ,or,get it right 3 out of 10,ask the stock traders,yes fail
7 times ,but the other 3 trades equal profit.
Mentally. we are not prepared for this because we WANT to be right all the time,but you
and me are in a business,roulette,professional,where we have to understend this aspect of the game.
We do not have to be right ALL,ALL,the time,maybe 70%-80%. . equals profift.
If and when we all understand this,then we will become BETTER players. . . . . Regards. . . . . r5
Hi,
Marven,thanks for your detailed reply and effort.
To go to that detail is admirable.
A comment regarding if you had a system,would you sell it.
This stems from if its for sale,its a fraud.
Just my attitude,but if i discover a 70% success rate,i will share so
every person here who has taken the initative and made the effort
and can generate an extra $500 pw ,then thats why we are here. To assist.
Thanks again for your detailed reply.
Regards,
R5
Just my attitude,but if I discover a 70% success rate,I will share>>>
Or so you think.
If they were there in person, they still would not believe it. If they played the system and made $7,000 themselves, they still would not believe it.>>>
The best proof is to write a book like Thorp did. Then it can be investigated and tested at length and the proper conclusions drawn. A scientific paper or a book is the time tested way to prove anything.
Well, there are a group of "experts" on this board who run around from gambling forum to gambling forum attacking anyone who has anything worthwhile to say. There is no proof that these trouble makers would accept.
So, let's ignore them.
There are two kinds of advantage play. Advantage play that can be duplicated without any specific person and advantage play that cannot be duplicated without any specific person present.
On advantage play that can be duplicated without any specific person present.
For example, I can teach you an advantage play method for two deck blackjack where the decks are dealt down to 1/4 of a deck. This is a level 3 counting system where the 9s and the Aces are side counted. Play enough hands and you will win in the long term.
A system like this can be "Proven" one of two ways. First, you can prove it mathematically using hypergeometric differential equations. Second, you can prove it using simulations.
Someone reading the "proof" would want to see things like:
Advantage as a %
Probability that the advantage will occur N % of the time.
Standard deviation
Risk of ruin
Expected value (Expectation)
Number of trials needed so that theoretical expectation = actual results
A chi square test is a test that proves/disproves that expected results will equal actual results.
In blackjack there is an acronym called NO which tells you at what number of trials your theoretical expectation should equal your actual results. The lower this number is the better of course. NO is calculated using the expected value and the standard deviation.
For blackjack we can give all of these facts using both the equations and results of simulations. Interestingly, tracking live play in casinos using real money does not match the results of the simulations or of the equations. I think this is because casinos cheat. It might be because players make errors. For example, theoretically the dealer's average non-breaking hand is 18. 2, but in Atlantic City shoe games the dealer's average non-breaking hand is 19. 1. Why is that? I think the casinos cheat. I know several teams who have tracked their results through enough trials to be in the law of large numbers and the actual results always fall short of the theoretical expectation.
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On advantage play where a specific person has to be present.
There are other advantage play techniques that cannot be taught. I can track a single card through a shuffle but I cannot train you to do it. I cannot write a mathematical expression to prove I can do this and I cannot write a simulator to prove I can do this. I can show you that I can do it. I'm not perfect, its not 100%, but I think I can show you enough times that you will believe it. I'm not sure I can even really explain how I do it. I just know I can do it.
Roulette has been examined by enough mathematicians/statisticians using every imaginable strategy, technique, tactic, theory that I think we can safely rule out advantage play in roulette that can be taught and proven with both equations and simulations. I do not believe that this exists.
So, the question becomes, are there players who play roulette with an advantage using something that they cannot teach? I don't know the answer to that question. My suspicion is that there are players like this out there. How do they do it? Intuition? Pattern reading?
Are there players who can watch the wheel spin and see patterns that you and I cannot see and know what to do based on those patterns? I believe that there are. Are these players wasting their time on a forum full of losers like us? I believe that they are not. Could they write down what they do as a "system" that you and I could then replicate? I do not believe so. WOULD they take the time to write down what they do? NO FREAKING WAY. Why would they bother? Can they even put into words how they do what they do? I'm not sure that they can.
Very, very good post.
cheers
jakk
On casinos cheating at BJ..........
I once stood in a casino in Kansas City and watched a dealer make it through a brand new shoe without ever busting once. Not once. Now this may have been the biggest fluke in BJ history; I don't know. The thought did cross my mind that cheating was taking place.
But consider this.....
She was dealing from a six deck shoe, machine shuffled. Several people came and left during that shoe. They sat at different positions. How could the casino have pre-arranged those cards to come out just so? Even with the positions changing? The number of cards per hand dealt changing, too. Sometimes one player; sometimes four. How could cheating take place under these circumstances?
If she was dealing anything but the top card off that shoe, she needs to be on the other side of the table. While this is not a BJ forum, someone opened it up so------give me some thoughts on how a casino could cheat at BJ when dealing from a machine shuffled six deck shoe with differing numbers of players during that shoe.
Sam
Spike and curious.......
I am merely saying I see no way that anyone could prove a winning system to a group of non-believers. If I could win 70% on EC bets, I certainly would not write a paper on it and have the casinos change the rules. And to those who say they can't, well they own the game. They can do as they please. I just wouldn't chance it.
If I wanted to anonymously prove my point, I'd hire J.D. Powers and Associates to verify my results. But with a 70% win rate, I can travel the world! On my winnings! Why would I give a flyin' flip if anyone believed me?
So why do people--myself included--want to convince others they can win? Well if I can convince enough people I can win, I may even convince myself!
TwoCat
Quote from: TwoCatSamI am merely saying I see no way that anyone could prove a winning system to a group of non-believers.
It's very easy to show beyond any doubt whatsoever that you have a winning method (if you really do have one). If Spike does have a win rate of 70%+ he could quite easily gain fame and fortune without ever setting foot in a casino again. Perhaps he would rather quietly go about the business of winning and not draw attention to himself. But then, having said that, he's not doing too bad a job of drawing attention to himself on the forums. :clapping:
In my opinion, there's no way you can get that kind of win rate and not have some kind of "extrasensory" ability. It must be this way because it's very easy to prove that no
mechanical bet selection (EC) can ever get above 50% in the long-term. It has to be something like "intuition", and no reasonable person would deny that intuition exists. If you work at something, you tend to get better at it. Can anyone give me a reason why this universal principle should
not apply to guessing outcomes of a random game? The usual response would be "because it's contradictory - random means unpredictable and if you could guess random outcomes successfully they wouldn't be random..." But that is just saying something about the word "random", it's just semantics. It's also a cop-out and a circular argument. It's like saying God exists because it says so in the bible and God wrote the bible.
This kind of stuff is on the fringes of scientific research, and no scientist who wants to keep his/her reputation would touch it with a barge-pole.
nolinks://nolinks.intuitiontester.com/sb.html (nolinks://nolinks.intuitiontester.com/sb.html)
Tangram says, "no reasonable person would deny that intuition exists." Let us assume he is right and I think he is. Could we quantify it? Can we get it under our microscope? Can we dissect it? Taste it, smell it; can we get rid of it? How can we be absolutely sure the man who claims to "witch" water wells is not doing exactly that?
I am going to spend 15 skins and order that software. I'd love to even get a .001% slope above average over a few thousand trials. That would give me something to hope for.
And this: I once met a man who swore he could "feel" when the dealer's next card was a ten.
And then there's Spike! I'm beginnin' to believe the bloke!
Tangram, how long is that barge pole?
Sam
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some casinos do not play with a full deck. they take certain cards out giving a advantage to the casino
pins
That would be blatant cheating. Doesn't the gaming commission come in from time to time and demand the cards from a table to check them? If they don't they should. They monitor the slot payouts.
Sam
Intuition is absolutely real. Like any other skill, it requires development.
Casino busters simply cannot work. I can show you a system that wins around 98% of the time... if you play in the short term. To an unknowledgable reporter, it would look impressive. Continued play is definite failure. See nolinks://nolinks.roulettesystemreviews.com/index2.html#casinobustersint (nolinks://nolinks.roulettesystemreviews.com/index2.html#casinobustersint) - i have this system and know very well it cannot work. He attempts to use red/black streaks and a positive progression after winning. The only way that system could work is if his method of bet selection in any way increased the accuracy of predictions, which it doesnt - not even remotely. His method relies on a principle like: wait for x reds, then red is most likely to spin next. For sure it is a scam. The media have no clues about beating roulette - they're just there to publish a good story.
Sorry to come in on this so late.
QuoteThis tv programme only presents genuine stories,in MOST CASES.
There was no use reading past this line. Anyone astute enough knows most of what's on TV is BS. ESPECIALLY our lovely honest current affairs programs ::)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 09, 2009, 11:11:30 PM
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That would be blatant cheating. Doesn't the gaming commission come in from time to time and demand the cards from a table to check them? If they don't they should. They monitor the slot payouts.
Sam
And you trust the gaming commission why?
Quote from: roules on September 10, 2009, 02:00:37 AM
Sorry to come in on this so late.There was no use reading past this line. Anyone astute enough knows most of what's on TV is BS. ESPECIALLY our lovely honest current affairs programs ::)
So true.
I have first hand experience of this.
I was once interviewed for a current affair program. The interviewer was female. When the program went to air, I was being interviewed by a male, off camera.
I was answering completely different questions than those asked at the time of the interview!
Aboslutely amazing! Complete fabrication!
I don't believe a thing I see on these TV programs.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 09, 2009, 04:48:55 PM
I am going to spend 15 skins and order that software. I'd love to even get a .001% slope above average over a few thousand trials. That would give me something to hope for.
Sam
Not me, my intuition is in fine shape.
I knew I wasn't going to buy this software even before I viewed the web site... amazing!
Quote from: bombus on September 13, 2009, 09:05:55 PM
So true.
I have first hand experience of this.
I was once interviewed for a current affair program. The interviewer was female. When the program went to air, I was being interviewed by a male, off camera.
I was answering completely different questions than those asked at the time of the interview!
Aboslutely amazing! Complete fabrication!
I don't believe a thing I see on these TV programs.
What? They had one interviewer ask you one set of questions, then spliced together your answers to those questions with a totally different set of questions asked by a different interviewer?
I would have sued them for fraud.
I have first-hand experience of this too. You hear about it a lot, but you dont actually realize it is true until you experience it. The media exist to sell advertising. It is not about good old fashioned reporting of truth. It is meant to entertain. You'd think there should be a regulatory commission for media to ensure the truth is made, but the truth is the government themselves use the media to manipulate. I mean after all, the media have a responsibility, dont they? They are how we learn about what's happening in our world.
The regulatory commissions we do have exist to preserve power of people/organizations. Like for example, the SEC (securities exchange commission) and the federal reserve. The federal reserve is not the government - they are private bankers. They control the world through money and trade, and the SEC enforce their power with guns. If you control a p[erson's way of living (money), then you control them. That's why they want to have us microchipped.
Generally people believe most of what they see on TV or in the news. Just about all of it may be based on facts, but the actual facts get enormously distorted and truth becomes quite irrelevant. It doesn't help with so many ignorant morons that believe everything fed to them.
Quote from: curious on September 14, 2009, 02:18:47 PM
What? They had one interviewer ask you one set of questions, then spliced together your answers to those questions with a totally different set of questions asked by a different interviewer?
I would have sued them for fraud.
Yes, that's exactly what they did.
I have a TV producer friend searching the channels archives for the records and tapes ATM.
BTW bombus, why were you being interviewed?
a. Alleged involvement with a plot to Bomb the US
b. Alleged importing of "happy pills"
Quote from: Steve GW on September 14, 2009, 09:20:31 PM
BTW bombus, why were you being interviewed?
a. Alleged involvement with a plot to Bomb the US
b. Alleged importing of "happy pills"
It was not (a)...............yet!
And I'm more of what you'd term a "primary producer".... you know, cut out the middle man and all... that's a joke joyce, BTW.
It was a program on aged care actually. Nothing sinister.
.. so then you were stealing pills from retired old folks and selling them to teenagers? But arent they like laxative pills?