Here is a system for everyone to test that I have found to reward very well. A fully functioning MS Excel programme that can ensure endless resting. I have provided 4500 spins downloaded from a German casino.
This system is based on the law of thirds, but with a twist. For anyone who doesn't know what the law of thirds is, it simply means that after 37 spins on average there will be 12 numbers that don't come up. Bet on these for the next 37 spins for better odds. You can read more about it at nolinks://freeroulette.tripod.com/lot.htm (nolinks://freeroulette.tripod.com/lot.htm) I personally have disproved this mathematical error and so can you using the program.
This system uses flat bets and no progressives. This is based on 1 chip bets. The value of the chip is up to you.
Once you have downloaded the excel program this is how to use it.
1. You will see tabs with different names. This is what they stand for:
2. Main is where you will be able to see all the wins/losses at a glance without having to scan each worksheet separately, however it would also be a good idea to, as some results show up in the negative, but most of the time they were in positive except for the last 39 spins which blew it. It is always good to set a target, make your money and get out. Also on the main tab, there are the results from 4500 spins. These numbers are available on the tab "numbers".
3. The numbers are actual real roulette numbers from a normal casino not an online one. Please note how there are spaces after the 39 spins. If entering your own numbers, use this format as the calculating worksheets are set up in this way.
4. Play0Stop1 – Means to play the numbers that did not come up in the last 39 spins and after winning on a specific number to stop betting on it until the 39 spin/betting cycle is finished.
5. Play0Stop2 – The same as the above but you only stop betting after a second win on a specific number.
6. Play1NoStop – Means that you are playing only the numbers that hit once in the last 39 spins and that the betting carries on for all 39 spins.
7. Play1Stop1 – The same as point 6 but after winning on a specific number to stop betting on it until the 39 spin/betting cycle is finished.
8. Play1Stop2 - The same as point 7 but you only stop betting after a second win on a specific number.
9. Play2NoStop - Means that you are playing only the numbers that 2 or more times in the last 39 spins and that the betting carries on for all 39 spins.
10. Play2Stop1- Same as point 9 but you only stop betting after a second win on a specific number.
To insert the numbers!
Insert the numbers on the worksheet Play0Stop1 only. The numbers will automatically copy themselves to the other worksheets. Make sure that you use the correct spacings and to see an example, see the numbers worksheet. I would recommend that you insert or copy and past your numbers into the "numbers" worksheet and once satisfied with the layout, then copy into Column A of Play0Stop1.
You need to insert a minimum of 450 numbers as only the last calculating block is setup to ignore multiple zeros in the numbers column. Using less numbers will give incorrect results.
I don't like gambling I like winning, this system over time ensures this.
The Proramme is under the Downlaods section- Members Only
Big work from you mate! I appreciate the efforts :thumbsup:
Quote from: DOC on September 16, 2009, 09:03:45 PM
10. Play2Stop1- Same as point 9 but you only stop betting after a second win on a specific number.
stop betting after a second or First win on a specific number? B'cos your excel file says stop after 1st win.
Is there any specific reason that you have excluded two scenarios "Play0NoStop" and "Play2Stop2" ?
Thanx for excel sheet
Quote from: Bazeegar on September 17, 2009, 05:37:00 AM
stop betting after a second or First win on a specific number? B'cos your excel file says stop after 1st win.
Is there any specific reason that you have excluded two scenarios "Play0NoStop" and "Play2Stop2" ?
Thanx for excel sheet
,
These are different betting scenarios. You can see that after 10x450 spins that Betting on those that have hit 2 or more times is the most profitable, however when i started the play on numbers hit only once was proving to be the most profitable and the others were going horribly wrong, so I didn't do these, but when I get some time I can do. The betting on 1's was doing well, but 2-3 plays showed terrible losses, but only after 450 spins. There are times where there are massive profits after only 250 spins, but you are going to have to insert at least 450 spins and then go to the individual sheets to see how the profits track.
There is no holy grail, but this programme will indicate how well you can do after playing a lot. At the end you want to walk out on top and yes there are going to be times when you lose, but keeping these to a minimum as when we really profit.
So test with multiple numbers and see which comes out tops over time.
I haven't gotten a chance to actually look at your file yet DOC, but I just want to say thanks A LOT for you the time and effort you put into making the file and then for sharing it with everybody here.
Nice to see that kind of productivity and contribution from somebody!
Keep it up :)
Thamks frpo the kind words.
I have many of these excel programmable systems but only prefer to load those that actually have merit. If I come across any others I will post them.
CHRIS
In many of the posts on thsi forum there ar emany that puport to the theory of "probability"and that when a correction is dues it's time to bet. The problem with this thinking is that one assumes that the universe is governed by the laws of paroability but tend to ignore the laws of organized chaos. We often see those that say if column 1 has 20 hits and column 2 has 10 hits and column 3 has had only 6 hits then the lawa of probability says that column 3 has the most corrrection to make and to a lessor extent column 2. If you think like this, you're goingt o lose money. The system on this post proves that.
Any way I can across an article that I believe explains these aspects of physics in a manner that is easilty understandable and should be applied to anyone thinking of designing future systems. Its a Good read.
The theory of probability becomes of enhanced value to gamblers when it is used with the law of large numbers. The law of large numbers states that:
"If the probability of a given outcome to an event is P and the event is repeated N times, then the larger N becomes, so the likelihood increases that the closer, in proportion, will be the occurrence of the given outcome to N*P."
For example:-
If the probability of throwing a double-6 with two dice is 1/36, then the more times we throw the dice, the closer, in proportion, will be the number of double-6s thrown to of the total number of throws. This is, of course, what in everyday language is known as the law of averages. The overlooking of the vital words 'in proportion' in the above definition leads to much misunderstanding among gamblers. The 'gambler's fallacy' lies in the idea that "In the long run" chances will even out. Thus if a coin has been spun 100 times, and has landed 60 times head uppermost and 40 times tails, many gamblers will state that tails are now due for a run to get even. There are fancy names for this belief. The theory is called the maturity of chances, and the expected run of tails is known as a 'corrective', which will bring the total of tails eventually equal to the total of heads. The belief is that the 'law' of averages really is a law which states that in the longest of long runs the totals of both heads and tails will eventually become equal.
In fact, the opposite is really the case. As the number of tosses gets larger, the probability is that the percentage of heads or tails thrown gets nearer to 50%, but that the difference between the actual number of heads or tails thrown and the number representing 50% gets larger.
Let us return to our example of 60 heads and 40 tails in 100 spins, and imagine that the next 100 spins result in 56 heads and 44 tails. The 'corrective' has set in, as the percentage of heads has now dropped from 60 per cent to 58 per cent. But there are now 32 more heads than tails, where there were only 20 before. The 'law of averages' follower who backed tails is 12 more tosses to the bad. If the third hundred tosses result in 50 heads and 50 tails, the 'corrective' is still proceeding, as there are now 166 heads in 300 tosses, down to 55-33 per cent, but the tails backer is still 32 tosses behind.
Put another way, we would not be too surprised if after 100 tosses there were 60 per cent heads. We would be astonished if after a million tosses there were still 60 per cent heads, as we would expect the deviation from 50 per cent to be much smaller. Similarly, after 100 tosses, we are not too surprised that the difference between heads and tails is 20. After a million tosses we would be very surprised to find that the difference was not very much larger than 20.
A chance event is uninfluenced by the events which have gone before. If a true die has not shown 6 for 30 throws, the probability of a 6 is still 1/6 on the 31st throw. One wonders if this simple idea offends some human instinct, because it is not difficult to find gambling experts who will agree with all the above remarks, and will express them themselves in books and articles, only to advocate elsewhere the principle of 'stepping in when a corrective is due'.
It is interesting that despite significant statistical evidence and proof of all of the above people will go to extreme lengths to fulfill there belief in the fact that a corrective is due. The number 53 in an Italian lottery had failed to appear for some time and this lead to an obsession with the public to bet ever larger amounts on the number. People staked so much on this corrective that the failure of the number 53 to occur for two years was blamed for several deaths and bankruptcies. It seems that a large number of human minds are just simply unable to cope with the often seemingly contradictory laws of probability. If only they had listened to their maths teacher. The full story is publish here.
An understanding of the law of the large numbers leads to a realisation that what appear to be fantastic improbabilities are not remarkable at all but, merely to be expected.
Sorry about the spelling. Fingers to big for the keyboard.
I have updated the programme which is still under "members only" in the downlaods section. I cleaned up some codong errors, so that if you insert less than 450 spins it will not calcualte these errors into the manin calcualting page. I have also added 2 extra scenarios, Play 0 no stop and Play 2 stop bet oafter 2.
You now enter your numbers on the "numbers" tab worksheet in column A.
Think it is now more user friendly with less scope for errors.
Sorry cant load on this page as it exceeds 2mb.
Hello DOC, and many thanks for your work.
I still have a question about your system.
You said that a minimum of 450 numbers must be entered to had good results, so, if we want to use it, we have to first recording 450 spins ?
And bet after that ?
And the actuals spins must be deleted before, isn't they ?
Thanks for answer, and sorry for my "bad english .. " .
An other question : how to know the numbers to bet ?
Quote from: fqbien on September 17, 2009, 02:55:54 PM
Hello DOC, and many thanks for your work.
I still have a question about your system.
You said that a minimum of 450 numbers must be entered to had good results, so, if we want to use it, we have to first recording 450 spins ?
And bet after that ?
And the actuals spins must be deleted before, isn't they ?
Thanks for answer, and sorry for my "bad english .. " .
This is a diagnostic programme to determine which is the best method of betting, so you have 3 different structures. 1. To be on numbers that have not come up in 39 spins, or 2. to bet on numbers that have come up once in 39 spins or 3. To be on numbers that have come up 2 or more times in 39 spins. On each of these scenarios you can see from the reults which was the best way to bet. Either bet for all 39 spins, or stop after 1 win or stop after 2 wins.
So to determine which method is best to use, you enter a multitude of spins and see the results. Once you determine which is the best method, then you wait for 39 spins after which you decide which is the best method to use and the best betting procedure. I supplied results from 10x 450 spins, the numbers are all shown on the numbers tab.
Now you ned to enter your own set of numbers to see if the results are the same and then determine which is the best way forward.
As for the 450 spins, the intial program I downloaded (newer version has been updated) needed 450 spins because if you inserted less it would give incorrect readings. this has now been updated and you can now enter a minimum of 78 spins to see some results. As this is a diagnostic tool to determine the best method, it is advisable to enter large volumes of numbers and see the results. If you click on the individual scenario tabs/worksheet you can see how yuo did after a set of 39 spins. Sometime yuo're up and other times you're down, but overall is what matters.
Hope this clarrifies matters.
IS ANYONE ELSE RECEIVING DOWNLOAD ERRORS AS BEZEER IS GETTING THE FOLLOWING:
Sorry, I am getting foloowing error
8: Undefined index: title
File: /home/victor/domains/vlsroulette.com/public_html/Sources/Downloads.php
Line: 1338
If anyone can help, please do I am not a computer tech. Perhaps moderatror can advise?
Doc I've sent a PM to Victor he's our IT guy :good:
Hang tough & no doubt he will get it sorted 8)
Quote from: DOC on September 18, 2009, 08:13:07 AM
IS ANYONE ELSE RECEIVING DOWNLOAD ERRORS AS BEZEER IS GETTING THE FOLLOWING:
Sorry, I am getting foloowing error
8: Undefined index: title
File: /home/victor/domains/vlsroulette.com/public_html/Sources/Downloads.php
Line: 1338
If anyone can help, please do I am not a computer tech. Perhaps moderatror can advise?
Hello dear Doc,
I can devote some time to it when I'm back from a short trip to a relative. In the mean time remember you can attach the file to your post (not via downloads).
Kind regards.
Victor
I have tested this month's all 17 days till today (01/09/2009 to 17/09/2009) from Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen - Table 3. As I could not add this in downloads section because of error, I have uploaded the file in Rapidshare. The file is about 13 MB.
nolinks://rapidshare.com/files/281772011/Lawof3_Baz_Test.xls.html (nolinks://rapidshare.com/files/281772011/Lawof3_Baz_Test.xls.html)
Hi Doc,
I think you might have added 1 chip to many to each win. I may be wrong though. But I must say it's a great piece of work! :pleasantry:
Hello romath, welcome to the forum.
... Romath = Romanian Math? :)
Quote from: romath on September 18, 2009, 10:33:47 AM
Hi Doc,
I think you might have added 1 chip to many to each win. I may be wrong though. But I must say it's a great piece of work! :pleasantry:
Are you suggesting that there is error in excel file?
Quote from: VLSroulette on September 18, 2009, 10:00:42 AM
Hello dear Doc,
I can devote some time to it when I'm back from a short trip to a relative. In the mean time remember you can attach the file to your post (not via downloads).
Kind regards.
Victor
I would, but it shows maximum of 2mb as attachment. This zipped excel file exceeds that. Let me know if possible and I will attach. Regards
CHRIS
Hi Baz,
Yes, I believe there is an error in profit calculation. For example, if the 1st win comes in at the very 1st spin, the profit should be 35 units not 36 units, 2nd spin 34 units not 35 units, and so on. In other words, one too many for each win. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: romath on September 18, 2009, 11:04:46 AM
Hi Baz,
Yes, I believe there is an error in profit calculation. For example, if the 1st win comes in at the very 1st spin, the profit should be 35 units not 36 units, 2nd spin 34 units not 35 units, and so on. In other words, one too many for each win. Correct me if I'm wrong.
No you are wrong the calc it is quite correct. If you are betting for example 10 numbers. Each number shows a -1 bet for a total of-10 units. If you win which is 35-1 you get 35 units back plus the one you bet = 36.
Total profit for a hit =35 units from Casino + 1 unit you bet, less the other 9 units you bet = 35+1-9 for a total of 27.
c'mon guys you should know this Maths 101
Hello!
Thank you for your great job!!!!. Sorry for my english. I am spanish
I think calc is not correct. When you hit a number you add 36 chips but you MUST add only 35 chips! You are not counting the chip you bet when you win !!!
Roulette pays 35 to 1, not 36 to 1.
When you apply this, you find advantage are less than you think. Still win? I dont know yet.
Sorry for bad news, but I must tell it.
Greetings.
Javier
Hello again !
I have revised all my results after I told before and results is beginning to go really bad. I think now profit is very difficult.
Is there profit now?
Is there a solution?
Lets see. . I wait your answer, DOC.
Good luck!
Javier.
Hi Javier
Okay I see now where the confusion is coming in. If I walk into a casino with 1 chip, play a number and win, I walk out with 36, but my profit is 35. I see what you are asking.
I will update the spreadsheet, and this time I will leave all the cells open for editing, if you are up to speed with excel.
There is a difference between how much did I win and how much do I have in hand.
Will post upgrade later
I have updated the excel file (in the members download section) which will now show only winnings not including the bet return. Also this file is now unprotected, so you can make as many changes to it as you want. Also bets cycles are 39 spins and not 40.
The idea here is to determine over a period of time, which of the 3x3 systems is going to pay you out the most. Also setting a target has its pro and cons. If set too low you walk away with potential massive winnings, and if set too high you may miss the cutoff and walk away with less than anticipated.
Once again to play this properly you need nerves of steel, big cahonchas and money to spend.
Hello DOC.
Thank you for your effort and your correction.
I have been testing your NEW excel sheet. My results say that the system loses now. With 0, 1, 2, with all.
I sincerely expect you have better results. The profit now isnt BIG, really isnt SMALL. Really winning dont exists.
However, you can tell us your own results.
Good luck !
Greetings.
Javier
It appears there are still bugs in the file. I can not correct them because I do not know excel coding. I think bug lies in the portion where the numbers end and there are zeros after that. If you see Pay2nostop it adds up 35 units for every zero after all the numbers end.
Quote from: Bazeegar on September 19, 2009, 10:47:27 PM
It appears there are still bugs in the file. I can not correct them because I do not know excel coding. I think bug lies in the portion where the numbers end and there are zeros after that. If you see Pay2nostop it adds up 35 units for every zero after all the numbers end.
I think you need to download the latest update that corrects all the issues of to few numbers entered.
Quote from: JavierTT on September 19, 2009, 07:59:54 PM
Hello DOC.
Thank you for your effort and your correction.
I have been testing your NEW excel sheet. My results say that the system loses now. With 0, 1, 2, with all.
I sincerely expect you have better results. The profit now isnt BIG, really isnt SMALL. Really winning dont exists.
However, you can tell us your own results.
Good luck !
Greetings.
Javier
What i noticed is that after the 1st 39 spins there are certan anomolies that dictate which is the best system to back for the next 39.
Yesterday I bounced between only 1 hit and only 2 hits. Came out 640 after 350 spins and on RNG it only took about 45 minutes.
The key is too look for anonolies that show you the way forward. If for example 0 hits comes up 8 times then I would not bet on these,
if 2 hits comes up but a high % of them are actually hit 3 and 4 times I would rather choose the 1 hits.
Look for anomolies by practicing with a multitude of numbers and until you see a cycle/pattern/anaomoly then you know what to play in the future.
There is no one system that works all the time, and this system need to be analyzed but determining which way forward for the next 39 spins. And yes we may hav to use all three.
Enter 450 numbers and don't necessarily look which one came out best after all these spins, but look which won after 39 spins, then go and look why. What was the deciding factor
that made this possible. Do this again and a gain until you see a common thread.
There are definitely bugs in the latest excel file. If you refer your second set of numbers for Play2NoStop, row numbers 439 to 459 has zeros but adds 35 units each time as zero is treated as win but those zeros are there beacause the number set has ended and not because zeros have hit. The gaps are not matching in all the sheets hence those gaps are treated like zero has hit and adds 35 in zero columns. I can not test it further because of these bugs. Can you pl correct it whenver you get time and update the file.
Is it possible to make the sheets without gap in numbers? That might help when you modify the sheets later on and will be more user friendly...just a suggestion.
You are reading the wins incorrectly. (As long as you have updated the latest version). Using the 2nd set of numbers as reference, you will see that the numbers stop at line A438. Lines 439 to 468 all have zeros.
If you go to column BX you will see that there are 35's in the column.
NOW this is where you are going wrong. The wins or loses for each set of 39 spins is caculated in column BY and (in this example) cell BY-470 shows a nil. So it is not calculating the 35's because there is not a full set of numbers.
I am getting following results for 2nd set of numbers for Play2NoStop:
No Stop Stop after 1 Stop after 2
Play 0 -744 -717 -1062
Play 1 102 -409 -242
Play 2 840 -246 143
The unusual number of wins for Play2NoStop are contributed by 23 "zero wins" from rows 425 to 427 (rows mismatch from numbers sheet) and 439 to 458 (because number set has ended - total units won 789). I have downloaded your latest file. All the sheets have mismatch of numbers.
let me check again
I am getting different results from the 2nd set of numbers.
Mine are:
No Stop Stop after 1 Stop after 2
Play 0 -512 -92 -362
Play 1 288 -28 182
Play 2 -136 -138 -101
Is anyone else getting the same results as Bazeegar?
Quote from: Bazeegar on September 20, 2009, 09:13:34 AM
I am getting following results for 2nd set of numbers for Play2NoStop:
No Stop Stop after 1 Stop after 2
Play 0 -744 -717 -1062
Play 1 102 -409 -242
Play 2 840 -246 143
The unusual number of wins for Play2NoStop are contributed by 23 "zero wins" from rows 425 to 427 (rows mismatch from numbers sheet) and 439 to 458 (because number set has ended - total units won 789). I have downloaded your latest file. All the sheets have mismatch of numbers.
The last few numbers are 4,6,8,6 wityh the last number finishing on line 438. Please check.
The last number is finishing on row 439 but the 18 zeros after that are shown as "wins" on zeros adding extra 753 units in Play2NoStop. Those zeros(row 439 to 458) are not wins but are still shown as wins. Also when you reduced the cycle from 40 to 39, I think you did not adjust the gaps according to the gaps in the numbers sheet. Hence there is a mismatch of numbers on other sheets and and "numbers" sheet. I have highlighted those rows in yellow. Please download the following file and see for yourself. You may have modified the file in your computer but the file in members area is still showing the errors and may still be the old file. Please download the file from following link and refer the yellow highlighted rows and then you will understand what I am trying to say. Note I have just downloaded the file from members area, highlighted those rows and uploaded in rapidshare. I doubt the file in members area is not updated one.
nolinks://rapidshare.com/files/282812528/Lawof3_s_Baz.zip.html (nolinks://rapidshare.com/files/282812528/Lawof3_s_Baz.zip.html)
Try downloading this latest upgrade. I have removed the other tabs thaqt I wouldn't play.
if this sistem works,we can make script that works automatic,you just sit and wait till your balance go to 1k and stop. :good:
I was interested in 2nd column also, which was stop after one win in all the three scenerios.