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Line N diagonal numbers 6 , 11, 16 , 21, 26, 31.


For roulette players who also enjoy playing bingo then this system is very enjoyable to play.
I personally have found this an enjoyable system to play compared to many other systems.
A win is when any full line either horizontal / vertical /diagonal is completed a lot like bingo is played. A choice of 3 matrixes are available.  Do not play for the full house go for 1 0r 2 wins then re track with a fresh set of numbers. Flat betting too this system is making profit. To play this system the rules are pretty easy, first thing you need to do is write or print the number matrix shown above on a piece of paper.  As you can see there are 6 horizontal lines A B C D E F . Also 6 vertical lines
G H I J K L  ,  and don't forget the 2 diagonal lines (M&N).  
Playing lines.
How to play :-  This game needs some tracking , what we do here is mark a circle round every number that hits until only only 1 number remains on that line the remaining number on that line is then betted on. Keep marking the circles round new numbers as they hit and should other lines only have the 1 remaining number to complete the line then bet the remaining number.   A game is completed when we have won 3 lines . On real wheels this system has been a consistent winner with no crazy progressions so far needed to hit a profit.  On rng it does not work . I have done a fair amount of testing this system and it seems to work much better on real wheels , basically with this system we are playing the key sleeper numbers on each line  .  
This system came from an idea by matt jono's a full street must hit , basically this is the same sort of system using different number layouts. I don't usually play past getting 3 full lines to hit .  In practice wins can often come in quick succession.   Players
Kingspins Bingo Roulette system 2009.


Sinc

 :shout: {BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) .... :spiteful:

How much money did you really win with  this gimmick?? Or better yet how much LIGHTER was  yor wallet on the way home and you felt rotten? :diablo:

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

I guess you have not tried the super bingo roulette system mr detroit.   ;D
This system works great.   >:D  This is not a gimmick i can assure you it's a gem of a system on real wheels.

Kingspin,

Thanks for this great system!!! Not only is it alot of fun to play but it's looking profitable too  :swoon:

I changed the rules a bit to suit me, when one number is left on a line bet 1u then if that has'nt hit and another number is left to show i now put 2 units on the 2 numbers (3 units on 3 ect) and if 1 hits then i drop the single number back to 1 unit.

In my first game i was +180 up after just 47 spins  :biggrin:  In my second game i was +132 up after 39 spins.  :yahoo:

This is with live numbers from 2 casino's. Early days yet i know but looks good  :good:

(suprised nobody spotted this gem sooner  ???)

Thanks again Kingspin

In my third game it was a little different, starting with +500 it went down to +328 @ spin 55 but by spin 65 it was up +591 phew! was looking bad for a while!

R

Game 4 was short and sweet +33 in 25 spins, hit first number!

just hope this holds up so I can play for real  :good:

R

Just for a laugh I carried on playing game 4 and wiped out all but 1 number in the matrix which was +728 @ spin 84 from +500 starting bank. the lowest it went was +360.

I'm happy  :laugh:

R

This is ANOTHER example of what I call "event betting", nice! QUESTION: (I know I probably read through this too fast) ...... we can also bet going down, correct? Like, lets say the 3 9 15 27 33 are crossed off. We bet on the 21? Why is the RULE 3 wins and stop (start over)? It could be 2 wins, start over if I wanted, correct?  Ken

Yes you bet the remaining number on the down lines too , the  time I like this system a lot are when you are playing five or six lines because a few sleepers often hit in quick succession making for a  quick  profit. Do not play it down to the last remaining  say 3 or 4 sleepers because they can sometimes sleep too long. On real wheels so far I have a always made a profit using this system. How many of the remaining lines the player wishes to play it down to depends on the player but personally I retrack and start a new complete game if I have won  3 lines and am showing a reasonable profit , this system is all about how far you want to push your luck on the sleeper lines.

This is not bad but to be honest, after ONE win, I start over. The issue is with the flat betting, which for THIS method I agree flat betting is the way. What unit sizes are good for this? What is a decent NET profit for this? I think around $50, in my opinion. Alot of "what ifs" for this but it is manageable (I think).  Ken

 mr j - I play it with some progression, i have not tried it flat betting , using some progression and playing with £1 chips my biggest draw down so far was £150.  A good way i agree is to get 1 win then re-track and start again. So far i have seen no really nasty draw downs. Over a lot of games i finish up with profit so far.

But how do you have a PRE-written out progression for an UNKNOWN number of numbers played AND you have NO idea WHEN new numbers are jumping in??

EXAMPLE: You start out with betting 1 number, 4 spins later ANOTHER number is added, 3 spins later ANOTHER number is added, 6 spins later ANOTHER number is added.

We now have 4 numbers (no win yet) but you can not have this progression PRE-written out.  Ken

A reset progression of 1 , 2,  3, is used. Starting chips are always £1 chips. Basically if your bankroll is down that far that any hit is not going to push up to a  profit of six chips minimum then the chip values are doubled and play is continued , so if for example i have a £200 bankroll and i am playing with £1 chips and my bankroll is  drawn down to lets say £170 then it's  about time to double the chip values to £2 per betted number, if a win comes in  soon with the £2 chips i make a happy profit from that hit and reset the chips back to £1 chips and play for the next line to hit, so this is a reset progression, quit after 3 or 4 wins  and re-track a new game. Should my game be going bad and my bankroll was down from £200  to lets say £130 then i bet 3 units on each number . Should my bankroll go 50% down then a new game is started. Just the way i play the game though to good effect . No fixed  solid rules here on progression though it's open to the players own judgement. Anyone who plays this system will see usually no deep progressions needed.

I finally lost a £500 unit bankroll today because none of the 4 lnumbers would hit . I didn@t think it could happen but it did.. :-X

thanks for your honesty bud, saves me some time programming a bot to test this one.

No problem white knight,.  I won lot's of sessions .  A good bet but It's not a long term winner though.
My loss was on a real wheel because i got greedy and did not stop after 3 wins. . Remember 3 wins on a game is a sign to re-track a new game and i always recommend to move new wheel for the next game. Do not commence a new game straight away on the same wheel. after Can't blame rng this time. >:D

It doesn't matter, if you are winning more then losing it is promising system.
Hermes   :thumbsup:

Actually, I gave it a try and are pleasant surprised with the result. I stretched it up to 5 or more wins what is not a good idea because the longer you play the more repeaters are coming. To play on 3 wins and reset is clever idea. I started on RNGs with $1 and won after ca. 60 spins easily $95. With higher bets like $5 it would be a fatty win. I can see possible to make with this method daily bread $100. It is really fun game just don't get greedy.
Thanks Hermes  :)

I thought about how to get less downdrafts. When you start to bet first on second # trigger you save lot of money because the first trigger mostly have to wait with hit longer. After second trigger shows up is time to start bet on both and as I said already maximum for 3 wins! Small bankrolls would go for first win and reset. Another security help will be to play only until you are + 70 units and then reset or go home. The sufficient bankroll could be 150 - 200 units and if you lose it go home or restart. It prevents to lose all money at once = :diablo:    Software would be a blessing but you cannot use it in land casino, only live online.
The RNGs tends to make more repeats than real wheels and that is not beneficial for this method. Less repeats better.
Cheers Hermes

I tried it with Kimo's Matrix square and it works perfect also. Bet after 2 triggers showing up and go for 3 wins, nothing can stop you from being winner. Probably only that one :diablo:!
Cheers Hermes

Quote from: hermes on November 02, 2009, 09:57:00 PM
I tried it with Kimo's Matrix square and it works perfect also. Bet after 2 triggers showing up and go for 3 wins, nothing can stop you from being winner. Probably only that one :diablo:!
Cheers Hermes

I have played a lot of games using this method , 2 things I have noticed , first thing is don't play it on rng.
The system likes wheels better generally speaking. Second thing is the kimo li matrix seems to give more consistent
wins. Quit after 2 or 3 wins no more than 3 maximum or draw downs WILL happen. Problems can happen when the player can't resist keep going for more lines to complete and has say 7 or 8 chips on the table , this is where you can see a big drawdown.  Thanks for your interest in the system hermes.
Like hermes says - the only thing to make you lose is the  >:D
Another common way to lose is by been careless and missing a number -check all lines carefully before betting , I have lost 3 winning bets because I didn't check the numbers carefully - that hurts when it happens. >:(

I always play all lines which trigger but first after second trigger. After 3 wins mostly come long waiting period of many repeats what sucks. Therefore, after 3 wins reset or go home. It could be played with $5 or $10 chips instead of $1, depends on bankroll. But then I would go for 2 wins only or even for 1 win because when you bet $5 chips you get 5 times more than when you bet $1 chips.
I control the progression so: e.g. we start play with $500 bankroll and got hit. After hit we have e.g. $580. I lower each position to one chip and play down up to $540 (50% from win) before double the bets.
Hermes

Hi guys, I tested on real wheel roulette 15 sessions just for first win on the Bingo with Kingspin's and Kimo's squares. Kingspin is right the Kimo's square brings faster results but it is a pain in arse to mark it in the square, where Kingspin's is honey. I bet after 2 triggers showing up and it is right decision because it happened only once that I couldn't bet because the first trigger hit before second showed up. In that situation you can restart or wait for one more trigger and than bet the last 2 together. Than I would end after 2 wins not 3.
The average of numbers betting till it hits first time is 3 or 4 what is not bad at all but once I had to bet 8 numbers before hit. In that situation is better after hit reset to new game, not to bet for 2 more hits. The first hit comes in average between 30 and 40 spins.
Many times after the second trigger showed up the next spin was a hit! You must be a quick with marking and than betting, therefore it will be big help some software to check and announce you the triggers.
Otherwise, it is secure system to win some money. I didn't figured out how much bankroll is needed.
Cheers hermes   :thumbsup:

The bankroll need only be about £150 better still £200 to be comfortable, thats if playing with £1 chips. I just won
£300 in the last 3 days playing 20 pence chips  :yahoo:  I put £10 into one online casino and played 20p chips , I finished up cashing out at £116. Play for 1 win and re track a new game , if playing rng then log out and log back in first though before re starting. This works pretty good for players with small banks  say £100 bankroll for 50p chips this should work a treat. Maybe software would make this a killer system would you agree herme's. Your right about the second trigger getting hits soon after this is something I have noticed happen very often.  :)                                        

You play it smart Kingspin! When we are not greedy everything works for us, only the greed would stop us.
I want to tell you thank you for that great idea. It is solid system and with small bankroll like $200 you can ride the waves for long time. It is not a holy grail  :angel:  but I feel a winner in long run.
Could somebody who knows what he is doing make a software to put the fallen numbers in place on Kimo's square and remind us when the second trigger comes? Because then it is time to cash.
The forum guys would appreciate it a lot.
Thanks, Hermes   :)

Where do you guys play? What online casino is good?

I have tested this system and it works very well :) I also wait for the second trigger :)

hey i was wondering how u play on a real casino then when the minimum bet on the inside is $5? so do u u keep betting 5 on all the remaining numbers at first then or?
well hope it works out because i ll try it out

also 2nd question what do u guys call rng wheel? is it the wheel on a sportbook? if thats the case i better not play over there, because i hear the wheel is rigged

The best advice is to play a hundred games on fun chips so you know what to expect when playing for real money.
I win a lot of games with this system just flat betting .  . Little progression needed usually. :good:
Double the chips to £10 chips if you hit an unlucky game where the  numbers you are betting are been stubborn and holding out longer than usual this happens mostly on rng. The amount of times the winning number actually hits first spin is amazing too... >:D

income, if there is a $5 minimum you need bigger bankroll but win lot more. RNGs are for losers and are rigged. When online than only live wheels dealer but they cheat to, don't worry. Where is a greed there is a cheat. Online live roulette gives you bargain to play $1/number, some casinos even for less. You can play $1 number in Las Vegas in many casinos for sure.
Kingspin, by the way, how many Bingo sessions did you lose?
Hermes

 Hi herme's  I  think  I have lost  about 4 games in total , small losses though.  I have a couple of casino's where this system is doing consistent wins over a lot of sessions.  I tried it on a few others (rng) where I got bad sessions where I was betting 7 numbers - this is what you have to watch out for.  The bankroll can dive if you get 7 or so numbers that won't hit for a longer time than usual. Only problem playing real wheels is this is a slow method to build the bankroll.  Like you say the best bet is to play bigger value chips say £5 or £10 chips and go for 1 win per day.
I am well into profit with this system. :)
Best to not play the system too much at any one rng roulette game , the rng get's wise to it if you get greedy!
The bingo roulette wheels super matrix below. This is the matrix to play on real wheels.
1    14   20  2  21  25
3    26   32  4  15  19
5   10    23  6  17  34
7   18    29  8  11  30
9   22    31 12 28  35
13  27   36  16 24  33   
 

What's the difference with kimo's matrix or your matrix in the first post? This one works better?

This super matrix is sector based for wheels. Once a line is won then a fresh game is  re-tracked. The first line won is the golden line .   Forget about carrying on to win more wins once the first win hits. If you play for only 1 win this way it's a very good winner.  I lost money by carying on for more lines to complete this is where you can see big drawdowns.

I won't be able to answer any more questions on this system now as i am away from pc for some time .
So i will close my threads down from now .  Goodbye guys.

RNGs are not good for this strategy anyway! They do lot of repeats where this system needs lot of new numbers which never come before (sleepers). This last square is a new to me. RNGs, when not rigged??? would be good for systems which need repeating numbers like e.g. Pivot system, which bets after number repeated 2 times.
I played on Bingo already 8 numbers and won but it was after second trigger. If you have enough bankroll e.g. $1000 and play $1 / number you cannot lose. But more than 6 numbers I would play only for 1 win and reset.
Actually, all Bingo sqares are working good. We know 3: old Kingspin's, Kimo's and this new one for one win. Kimo's square you can bet for 3 wins if not more than 6 numbers to bet.
It is worth to test it.
Cheers Hermes   :pleasantry:

For guys with low bankroll and fear there is a possibility to bet after 3rd trigger arrives. You miss some chances but it will keep you out of trouble.
Hermes

just thought I would throw this into the pot to stimulate more ideas...with the talk of kimo's matrix and super matrix, I conbined the two, was thinking about playing both matrix`s at the same time  :-\ the attached image has both together with the super matrix highlighted in yellow...keep up the good work guys  :thumbsup:

Thanks for the chart , this is a great tool to use. I gave it a try on real money play on  rng and made 55 chips profit over 2 games.   :clapping: :)

np, i`m glad it`s usefull to you :)

It is difficult to concentrate on both charts in one square without making a mistake. Better are 2 separate squares.
It seems that Kimo's square fills up and hits faster?
Hermes

maybe one of the many talented people here could make some sort of app? ...so when you enter the number hit it highlights the relevant square?  :-\

I don't think anyone will  do software free of charge.  Would be a good idea though..........

 :thumbsup: Hey Kingspin

I played during 2 days 3 games of your system. ( 2 SQuares)  in the casino in Belgium; ( coast) Electronic roulette. I just play for 1 hit and started another game.  I reset the last ten numbers and I have soon another number to play.
I play with 0,50 EUR.  I won for the six games 100 EUR.  Once I played 2 numbers for 6six times.


:)
ludo8400

Quote from: Kingspin on November 22, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
I don't think anyone will  do software free of charge.  Would be a good idea though..........

well, i would gladly pay something towards the work involved... fancy chipping in Kingspin? :)

btw ...i have been playing this using the chart i made, both matrix`s together, betting 2 chips each time... so far so good  :thumbsup:

Yes i would chip in some money to a  software designer.  Or we could donate some money to the forum.

I have made a small php program for personal use. It works on any webserver that supports PHP.


Screenshot:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.hostxs.nl%2Froulette.JPG&hash=542ee47b4207e8e9b9d2b5af4f94fce6a4e852ab)

paypal: raymond@intronic.nl ;)

I am having problems opening the software. Is there a link I need to go to where I can get download a patch or something. Thanks for the effort. All I get is a white icon that says roulette.php..

well you need a webhosting provider to upload the file to. You can't open just on your pc.

You need to put it online. It's a small website using php to remember the bets and fill in the matrix.

I have web site (I do not use it) so if you are interesed I can upload it.

Yes that would be great if you could do that gogo

Go to:
nolinks.placelaybet.com/roulette.php (nolinks://nolinks.placelaybet.com/roulette.php)

wow, thanks RayManZ for the app and GogoCro for hosting it, very kind of you both  :thumbsup: one request though...would it be possible to add the super matrix under kimo`s?, so when we enter a number it shows on both? if it`s too much hassle i`ll understand...thanks again :)

Definetely faster than using paper , just had a few wins on real money, Wait until you have "2 greens" then start to bet the 2 greens, bet any new green numbers as they appear on the software, Best to always re -track after 1 win is the way to go profit climbing. I don't chase more than 1 win. This works really good. Much less chance of missing bets too like on paper method. :)
 :thumbsup:

Quote from: Kingspin on November 25, 2009, 04:41:47 PM
Definetely faster than using paper , just had a few wins on real money, re -track after 1 win is the way to go. I don't chase more than 1 win. This works really good.  :thumbsup:

yup, and you can`t miss an opportunity as it shows up in green :)

where do you guys play this online? i haven't found a good place yet.

Also is someone can provide the super matrix thingie i will see what i can do.

This is the super wheel matrix raymanz.
1    14   20  2  21  25
3    26   32  4  15  19
5   10    23  6  17  34
7   18    29  8  11  30
9   22    31 12 28  35
13  27   36  16 24  33
This is especially good on real wheels and not  really best for rng.
Where to play is a good question , the super matrix is the one to use in BRICK CASINO'S.

i will look into the matrix tomorrow.

A good online live dealer casino would be nice. I don't have a landbased casino here.

which  country do you live in raymanz - I know of many online casino's that are good and don't cheat you. :thumbsup:

>:D l

Guys, is php working ok? I will leave it there for some time.

Quote from: Kingspin on November 25, 2009, 08:02:51 PM
which  country do you live in raymanz - I know of many online casino's that are good and don't cheat you. :thumbsup:

>:D l

i life in the Netherlands :) i tried many online casino's but is still have the feeling they sometimes cheat on me.

QuoteI know of many online casino's that are good and don't cheat you.

Kingspin, please tell!

Quote from: GogoCro on November 25, 2009, 08:06:39 PM
Guys, is php working ok? I will leave it there for some time.

it`s working perfectly, thanks again

Hello,
The original 4x5 matrix from mikian2(chi.._schemi.xls) :
nolinks://roulette.forumfree.it/?t=29735543&st=45 (nolinks://roulette.forumfree.it/?t=29735543&st=45)

Sorry, do not speak English.
donrosso

New file: nolinks.hostxs.nl/roulette.php (nolinks://nolinks.no-more-online.now/roulette.php)

@Kingspin: Maybe you can PM me the good casino's?

Quote from: RayManZ on November 26, 2009, 06:09:09 PM
New file: nolinks.hostxs.nl/roulette.php (nolinks://nolinks.hostxs.nl/roulette.php)

@Kingspin: Maybe you can PM me the good casino's?

excellent job RayManZ! just what i was looking for :)

Hi Donrosso, how is the weather in Prague? I was for 3 months in Europe cleaning some casinos.
Naschledanou Hermes

here are my rx results so far (i cant code so it`s done maunaly:( )

i use both kimo`s and kingspins matrix, wait for 3 betting triggers before stating then flat bet (adding 1 unit to new numbers as they appear) and a stop loss of 35

I will try to code it.
I coded combined system, Mr J and mine (trio 2). Its busting each other, I still try to sync litlle better.
If succes i will combine and this one.

Gogo

I am quite surprised by this method. Played it a few times and it appears very promising

I think out of all the systems on this forum, Kingspin's bingo method is probably one of the best ones to play. There is not a load of risk to it and it seems to throw up some really good winning runs. Like anything, just don't get greedy with it and take advantage when your luck is in and back off after a loss. Roulette does not have to be rocket science to be able to win some money. Might as well have some fun and enjoy a game of bingo now and again.  8)

Valid in the nature is always simple, only we humans like everything complicated. Holy Grails are also simple. Holy Grails are many times hanging in front of our nose but we don't see them because we are looking for complicated things.
Kingspin is effective, especially on Kimo's square. Bet after second trigger, have enough bankroll, and don't make mistakes in writing down (concentrate on game) it save you a lot of headaches from greed. It is second best system known to gambling forums after Diodoro and RPRO's tweak on Diodoro.
Cheers hermes   :pleasantry:

Quote from: hermes on November 11, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
income, if there is a $5 minimum you need bigger bankroll but win lot more. RNGs are for losers and are rigged. When online than only live wheels dealer but they cheat to, don't worry. Where is a greed there is a cheat. Online live roulette gives you bargain to play $1/number, some casinos even for less. You can play $1 number in Las Vegas in many casinos for sure.
Kingspin, by the way, how many Bingo sessions did you lose?
Hermes

I must have missed the conclusive proof of that red statement!

Casino  rng's can be rigged very easily . No one has to push a button to start "rng rip off mode"  The  CASINO computer SOFTWARE  handles the bets at the casino and if it thinks you are winning too much it will recoup it's losses and even if the computer has not gone into cheat mode AND IS PLAYING FAIR, it is still a different game to win than real wheels and rng is just plain and simple much much harder to win on. .   
So in a nut shell :-  RNG is generally harder to win over long sessions and even short sessions!
2, RNG can be made to cheat if need be.
RNG is not a roulette wheel - plain and simple.
Small profits can be made on rng - i am not saying don't  ever play rng , just be prepared to make small wins and leave with a little profit. If you are up say £50 when playing 20p chips then it's time to withdraw winnings for that session. 

Thanks KingSpin, i put this method on my list To Test.  xD
I agree with you, RNG are suck, real wheel are much better!
RNG are just computer, it's not real, it's like "illusions".

Sam you should know better at your age? Show me one who makes consistently income on RNGs! There is none.
With that statement you seem to me like the gamblers wrestling with the slot machines to get a penny out of it but even one penny is too big goal for slot machines. Not the slot machines and RNG software are rigged! Those who play it have a rigid brain. Slot machines = RNGs, simple math. Only Las Vegas has a different standard because of the competition.
Rest in peace, Sam.
Cheers Hermes

Quote from: TwoCatSam
I must have missed the conclusive proof of that red statement!

There is no conclusion, and no proof. Losers complain, that is it. They lost, jeez, must be rigged.
Yet, and yet, they are under the constant illusion that RNGs are too "random" and somehow a real wheel is different and will be more favourable to a system. "Only play real wheels", "This system only works on a real wheel...NO RNGs". Why? If RNGs are rigged, then real wheels online sure as hell are rigged too. It seems that people are generally simply more happy to lose their money on a real wheel than an RNG. Is it more satisfying when your progressions busts on a real wheel than on an RNG? Is it better to get beat by a human than a piece of software? Of course, losing has nothing to do with the way they play, has it?
:biggrin:  

#6, if the online live wheels are rigged many would exploit it. Casinos know it and check the wheels every day.
I have a friend pitboss in land casino, they do it.
Hermes

I have an important question to ask players who are winning with this system , which method is working best.
I have played a few games recently where i started betting when 2 green numbers come up on the matrix on the software , the problem i found was green numbers on the matrix start to appear so bet are placed on the new numbers as they appear , but not one hit till about spin 43. I was betting about 8 numbers! So basically the bankroll can take a dive and i am not sure if it's possible to recover only bet re tracking a new game.  This has happened a few times recently.  PLease post here your best method winning.  Some are saying wait for 3 green numbers before betting and then bet until a win or to - 36 then re track a new game. So please post how you play.

I change, sometimes wait and sometimes not. Think thats the best, changeing methods.

Gogo

Are you winning with it gocro. I lost a few games recently.

Well, I mix it with other methods.
But answer is yes.

Gogo

Use the Kimo's or Holyman's square, they catch faster but for sure bet after second trigger!

So are you  saying  we bet starting on 2  trigger numbers or 3 , adding new numbers as they come up on the chart or software to bet on also ,
Then we stop at 1 win and re- track. if we get to lose 36 chips then we cancel that game and re -track a new game.
I have a feeling some players are playing for more than one crossing, I have not tried this .
Maybe another method worth trying is to wait until a crossing has won before we even start to bet. Other wins can hit in quick succession.

i tried waiting for 2 hits then adding as they appeared but had too many misses so i decided to wait for 3... i was using both kimo`s and super matrix together though, will try just using kimo`s :)

QuoteI lost a few games recently.

Also made a few losses (real money). That is the nature of this beast.... you win some, you lose some.  At least I have still made more than I lost.  :)

Important thing is to ad $1 to each one when you get in minus. Go for 3 wins after second trigger is OK.
Proper progression essential. You have to understand math.
Hermes

Ok hermes i also found that flat betting the bingo system only seems to work 50% of the time , the other part needs 1000 chips so that we can add progressive bets.  :-X

hello there, i,m new to the forum but have followed the board for quite a while.   :thumbsup:.  I have been playing the bingo system for a week now for fun on real wheel, and have no losses.  Will play for real on supercasino, the way i play now is to have 4 sets of numbers and bet after 2 triggers on all sets of numbers.
I have been thinking of making another 2 sets of numbers(throw numbers in the air and count as they land) as the more lines possible the better.
So to play with 6 sets of numbers gives more options.
Not very scientific but does not seem to fail with 4 sets, with 2-3 wins.  it is a struggle after 36 spins ish.
Dont know if anyone has given this any thought, or should i just get my coat.   :swoon:   

You mean you play using 4 different matrixes. You wait until all 4 matrixes have 2 triggers.  Thats cool.

What really works well for me is this:

On joyland the dealers spin 25 times befor a change. So i wait till a dealer change. Then start te software. When the dealer changes they often spin other numbers so i quickly get a hit. I just go for  one hit and then restart the game.

With the same dealer it is much more diffucult to get a hit cause they often spin the same numbers. Works very well for me. Just wait till there are 3 green numbers and start betting. With progresssion. Start most of the time at 25 spins and end get a hit befor spin 40.

Please explain a little.
3 green numbers, what is it?
What we are betting on?

Gogo

Quote from: GogoCro on December 16, 2009, 11:11:19 AM
Please explain a little.
3 green numbers, what is it?
What we are betting on?

Gogo

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Quote from: GogoCro on December 16, 2009, 11:11:19 AM
Please explain a little.
3 green numbers, what is it?
What we are betting on?

Gogo

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I wait for 3 green numbers. They don't have to be on the same matrix but it must be 3 unique numbers. Most of the time that will happen around spin 25 till 30. Then i bet those with progression till i hit one. That happens around 40. if new green numbers come i will bet them too. I don't start betting befor spin 25. That busted me most of the time cause the progression gotten to big.

This is a really good method and waiting for 24# in 38 spins is almost reliable, except you allow for 20#. With 2 hits and track again, no losses yet!!!!!! . Wish i had the cash or gonads to play £5 units, not 50p units. 
Has this gone pear shaped for anyone yet?   

I have played this system   a lot ,  I would say about 1 in 10 games will go bad or as you say pear shaped.
Basically what happens is you finish up betting more numbers than you would like say 7 0r 8 numbers.
The strange thing i noticed is often that the more numbers you bet the longer the longer it takes to get a win.
I hate bet where the numbers you are betting sleep longer than you wish. Your bankroll starts to fall and you sweat.
like I say about 1 in ten games give or take a few go this way. I put £10 in an online casino the other night and cashed out with £80 playing with 25p chips took best part 15 minutes of playing. :biggrin:  All won flat bet.

That's good idea to wait for 24 numbers before betting. macduff build your bankroll step by step don't get impatient. That way you will get there where you want faster. The slower speed is securer and faster - paradox but true! Guy passed me on highway like crazy and 15 minutes later we met again side by side in traffic jam.
We could see if there are too many repeats during waiting for triggers. Discharge that session and wait for new or change the table if you are in land casino. You can see the repeats visually on score board. When too many repeats they usually go on and on for while. Than change the tactics and play repeats.
Hermes

Hermes, that bugger passes me on the highway too  :rtfm:, strange thing is he always has the broads hanging oot the windows jiggling their knockers.  why is this.   :'(

So how r u guys doing on this system...winning lately? ::)

this system is still holding up really well, i still use 4 matrixes and now wait for three triggers from the 4.  take 2 hits only, do not be tempted to go for 3 as progression is needed and you can have 9 numbers, and this was said before it seems to get harder to hit with more munbers. 
kingspin deserves a round of applause for this system.   :yahoo: 

 :thumbsup:

disaster has struck, lost 2 sessions on the trot.  confidence is on the floor.   :no: kingspin yer system sucks!!!!!!!!!!(only kiddin).  both the sessions had lines won before i could bet. 
will try again betting on 2 or 1 numbers.  still have a lot of faith in this system (why cant i accept a loss as part of the game)

Quote from: macduff on December 22, 2009, 02:24:21 PM
disaster has struck, lost 2 sessions on the trot.  confidence is on the floor.   :no: kingspin yer system sucks!!!!!!!!!!(only kiddin).  both the sessions had lines won before I could bet. 
will try again betting on 2 or 1 numbers.  still have a lot of faith in this system (why cant I accept a loss as part of the game)

if you have a  hit befor a bet just start over.

Stop givin me panic attack ha ha ;D

Any new methods of how to play this game are welcome.

PLayed 2 games last night using this system,  got a win on second spin number 9 for £36.
Started another game by re- tracking new numbers , second game went not as well started betting from spin 25 and got no hit until into spin 56 was betting lots of numbers and so a draw down , so I quit, maybe a bit too early :( ,  bankroll not big enough to support draw down , number 20 which was a number I was betting hit soon after. A 400 chip bankroll is what I needed all I had was a 120 chip bankroll. lesson learned. Some games will need progression using this system , thats not always a good thing but you have to bite the bullett sometimes and use progression which for the most part with this system is only slight to moderate progression at worst (usually).
One thing I wil say though with total honesty is that nearly every game won has been won flat bet , which says a lot really. :)
One thing i do now is bet an extra chip on the nearly inffallible queens numbers, if the  nearly infallible queen is a number needed to complete a winning line then i suggest a double bet on it.

Nearly infallible queens are numbers are 21, 34, 36, 20, 22, 28. (Kimo matrix only).

I played some more games for real money last night , what I found with the games is the second win can be a long time coming after the first win. This happens too often for it to be worthwhile going for more than 1 win imho.
The first win always seems to come the quickest. Second win , well that could not hit untill you get to 60 spins.
Any other players seeing long gaps between first and second win? or am I just been unlucky..

Just re-track after first win or change to the next table........m i right :blush2:

Hi everyone!
First of all would like to say thank Kingspin for sharing your system as I believe it is a long term winner.
I have played around 20 sessions so far.  The first 6 sessions were very good, the green numbers hit one after another and there was no any long gap between them.  But then it became harder and harder.  A few days ago I had an awful session.  Had 1180 units of BR (played 0,5 GB pound).  The session was very slow as my numbers refused to hit.  Forgot to mention that I did not play until 3 green numbers come up.  After the second hit I was down 20 units(the progression was scary, I was betting 20 units on a number on 6 numbers) so I decided to go for the 3rd win.  Luckily the dealer of the casino I play at has 2 tables with the 1st one 0,5-50 pound limits and the second table 1-100 pound.  So when I hit the table limit of one table I quickly jump in another as it is the same dealer and the same roulette(online live dealer).  I had to do it 5 times during my 20 sessions but normally it hit my numbers after a couple of spins in 1-100 table.  So in my last session I was betting 6 numbers with 7 numbers left unhit in total.  I kept betting and betting until I reached the limit of the second table(I bet 200 :nono: units on 6 numbers) and I lost :'( Of course after I drained my bankroll(1180 units) and reached the table limit of the second table the number I was betting on appeared but it was too late.  It was 101th spin.
Yesterday when I was playing another system and just followed the matrixes the first hit on the one of the 9 green numbers happened on the 62nd spin! All nine green numbers which appeared quite a while ago and they were sleeping so long.  So you never know.
I suggest to wait for at least 3 green numbers to appear, more will be better.  And to go for one win will be safe. 
May be a stop loss would also help in long term.
Kimo's matrix used to be quite consistent, but now I see the super matrix is doing better.  Somebody mentioned 2 other matrixes but I dont play them.  Would be great if RayManz could program the other 2 matrixes and upload it on the website.

This system revolves around 24 numbers in 36 spins, it is not playable if for example you are at 36 plus spins and have no trigger.  Its time to reload, it is playable if you are betting at 17 to 20 spins with say 15 or 16 numbers on the board.  This will mean you should expect at least 20 numbers to appear on the board with 36 spins.  If this is not happening then stop and retrack.
This is my take on the system after 100 plus sessions.
You could also play the numbers that have not hit on the board, up to 20-24.
It still amazes me how systems start off so well and appear to be unbeatable then the wheels just fall off.
Och well there goes another pipe dream, back to the drawing board. 

Hey mac duff , I am sorry you have finished playing the system. I see you are pretty pizzed of with it  :(  I promise I am working on a better method of playing the bingo roulette system.  I believe  there could be an unknown as yet   better method to win faster and consistent , a method that works much better -  I just need time to try a few other methods.  :thumbsup:      8)

I am quitting roulette and the forums for a few month break. I will post some updates sometime if I can improve the bingo roulette. So for fellow gamblers worldwide kingspin says merry christmas. :-*  I need a break from it all for a few months.
Kingspin - Last survivor of the bingo roulette system "signing off".  :-X

Not at all pissed of with system, think it is a great way to play roulette.  The problem is that it started off so well and for a long spell it did hold up even after tweaking it seemed to get better. 
Its when Mr feckin Reality, slaps you on the back of the head that pisses me off.
The system is a way to make small gains by accepting any wins and not pushing for that little bit extra, but the realisation of 50-60 spins without a hit dampens the enthusiasm, just a tad.
I am fairly new to playing roulette, but i must say that this was/is a fun way to play and i will test and test and test a wee bit more before handing more cash to a casino. 
So keep up the good work, i can assure you i wll also fiddle about with it, ahh just love a challenge.
:good:

Good luck Kingspin! Waiting for some new tweaks on your bingo system :thumbsup:

i will trust u Kingspin what ever u do.......waiting for your newly improved system.

Have a good year ahead....HAPPY NEW YEAR 2010.

Cheers :pleasantry:

Hi to everyone on here on this forum, what a great site and great minds.  I'm studying this site for the past 9 months or so and I can telling you that we ( the holy-grail seekers) are almost there ( not that I play, will play when I find it  :) ).  Thanx to everyone for all there great ideas and systems.  This is my 1st.  post on here and hope it will make sense.... . sorry for the English, not my 1st.  language.

Kingspin, I must really give it to you, this Bingo Roulette system open alolof 'thinking doors' for me.... and this whole post that follow may not be making sense at all, BUT I THINK THERE'S MAYBE A WAY TO UPPER THE ODDS IN OUR FAVOUR.

Still playing this system of your's with the same rules (and with the same suggestions the other forumers here sugest), BUT USE THE NUMBERS OF THE 6 X 6 SUN MAGIC SQUARE OF CORNELIUS AGRIPPA(1486-1535).  He was a German magician, occult writer, theologian, astrologer and alchemist.  In his famous sayings, he emphasized: "All things which are similar and therefore connected, are drawn to each other's power. " This is known as the law of resonance.

Agrippa says that the table of the Sun, is a 6 x 6 square with 36 numbers.  Sun Square is of order 6 and uses all the numbers from 1 to 36.  Each vertical, diagonal or horizontal row adds up to 111 and the sum of all the numbers in the square is 666 (same as Roulette ofcorse  :o ), the number of the beast in the Apocalypse.

I don't say by playing the numbers this way it will increase our odds of winning, but we have nothing to loose, the Bingo Roulette way of betting is awesome, but just maybe whe've got something here with this "numbering order" together with your betting way.  All my testing so far is in the positives (with Kingspin's original betting way and Silver Fox's way, the wait for 3 betting triggers before start betting flat bet adding 1 unit to new numbers as they appear and a stop loss of 35).

What do you all think, ARE WE BUSING MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ??

Here it is  :dance1:

1st.  Horizontal line (A): 6, 32, 3, 34, 35, 1    ( = 111 )

2nd.  Horizontal line (B): 7, 11, 27, 28, 8, 30   ( = 111 )

3rd.  Horizontal line (C): 19, 14, 16, 15, 23, 24   ( = 111 )

4th.  Horizontal line (D): 18, 20, 22, 21, 17, 13   ( = 111 )

5th.  Horizontal line (E): 25, 29, 10, 9, 26, 12   ( = 111 )

6th.  Horizontal line (F): 36, 5, 33, 4, 2, 31   ( = 111 )

1st.  Vertical line (G): 6, 7, 19, 18, 25, 36   ( = 111 )

2nd.  Vertical line (H): 32, 11, 14, 20, 29, 5   ( =  111 )

3rd.  Vertical line ( I ): 3, 27, 16, 22, 10, 33   ( = 111 )

4th.  Vertical line (J): 34, 28, 15, 21, 9, 4   ( = 111 )

5th.  Vertical line (K): 35, 8, 23, 17, 26, 2   ( = 111 )

6th.  Vertical line (L): 1, 30, 24, 13, 12, 31   ( = 111 )

1st.  Diagonal line (M): 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31   ( = 111 )

2nd.  Diagonal line (N): 1, 8, 15, 22, 29, 36   ( = 111 )

I Truly think that Astrology, Numberology, Egyptology, Rouletology and all other 'ologies' work together in some way, maybe we are on the right track.

Last words, I'm not a Roulette player, I'm buying and selling gold bullion ( :thumbsup:Krugerrands :thumbsup:) for a living for profit between 15% - 27%, but if this thing works, nothing will stop me turning in 2 ounces of gold for greenback per day, make a ½ ounce (25%) gold profit and leave.

Let us win this one together  :punish:

Aurum

I have a little tweak to this wonderful system that just might improve it somewhat.   It has worked well for me.

First, you can use any "36 square bingo card" you wish.   I just use the standard 6 x 6 card.   As the numbers start rolling in, you create at the same time a 4 x 4 card of the numbers that are coming in.   It does not matter the order you start creating your 4 x 4 repeater card.   If a number is called a second time, you cross out the number from your 4 x 4 repeater card.   You don't start betting any of the triggers until you get this 4 x 4 (16 numbers that are called once) card filled out.   Once that card is completed you wait for 2 or 3 triggers from any of the two cards.   You should try for 2 or 3 wins, whichever you like.   This might sound confusing so I will try a simple example to show what I mean.

starting fresh:

number 33 comes out. . . . . . . . . . You cross out 33 from your 6 x 6 card and write down 33 on your 4 x4 repeater card.

number 16 comes. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . You cross out 16 from your 6 x 6 card and write down 16 next to 33 on your repeater card

number 12 comes. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cross out 12 from 6 x 6 card and write down 12 next to 16 on your repeater card

number 1 comes. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cross out 1 from your 6 x 6 card and write 1 next to 12 on your repeater card (now your 4 across)

number 28 comes. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cross out 28 from your 6 x 6 card and write 28 below the 33

number 16 comes. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cross out the 16 from your repeater card.   16 should already be crossed of on the 6 x 6 card.




I think you get the picture.   Stop constructing your card at 4 x 4.   I don't know if a 5 x 5 card is wise.   Don't place a bet until you complete the construction of your repeater card and don't place a bet until you get 2 or 3 triggers from any combination from the 2 cards.   Stop at 1 or 2 wins; 3 if you want to push it.


The theory is that you could play unhit numbers as well as numbers that have hit only once.


Anybody think this is the way to go?  I have only done a few tests, but the theory makes sense to me.

I just played a session with an online casino.   I used my repeater card theory I stated above:


I hit a BINGO on my 6 x 6 card and a BINGO on my 4 x 4 repeater card.   I used $1 dollar chips.   I profited $67.  I use a progression where needed.

I just thought I would share.   Tweak away guys.

Why not to play just the numbers which came only 1 time during certain period of spins? The possibility that the number which is awake is willing to come again is bigger than the number which is in midddle of the winter sleep.
Hermes

Welcome to the forum Aurum  :)

Quote from: Kingspin link=topic=12504. msg85394#msg85394 date=1258505322
Thanks for the chart , this is a great tool to use.  I gave it a try on real money play on  rng and made 55 chips profit over 2 games.    :clapping: :)

Please be so kind if I could give a sample game.  Since domino only Spanish language and to see your notes using a software.
Thanks for your attention

so what we do is wait for 2 green triggers before betting? flat bets only? and progression if needed.

if a trigger hits on the first spin of the 2 triggers do we keep betting that trigger?

thanks,

using both kimo li and super  matrix :)

Quote from: hermes link=topic=12504. msg89314#msg89314 date=1260836471
Use the Kimo's or Holyman's square, they catch faster but for sure bet after second trigger!

where can i find holyman's square?

do we stop at 2-3wins like kimo's?

Kingspins.......r u still playing this system???i m still waiting for u new improve way.

No I don't play any  kind of roulette now vic at least for real money.  I also quit smoking 4 months ago  :thumbsup:. Now I quit roulette for good  :clapping:. I also quit meeting women I don't know for sex  :'( .  So as you see my life is pretty dull. Why did I quit roulette you might ask. Simple answer well yes I can win hundreds a week for a few weeks- well all good thats fine.  Only thing is a few weeks later the wheel will take it back ;D

So now I don't play real money I only play   rng on  free chips.  

My mind has gone also because of the wheel. :D   :-* >:D
Thousands of sheets of paper piled to the ceiling with roulette systems on. Bins crammed full of paper with systems on. Time to quit yes. :girl_wacko:

I spend time now watching the amazing load of bunkem from bob lazar on u- tube and listen to him speaking of how  alien space ships work.  This beats roulette. :biggrin:

It's probably easier selling your body down the docks. The pain eventually disappears unlike having your bankroll wiped out by that damn wheel...... :'( :'( :'( :'(

Kingspin you are quitter, that's not good. Lot of people quit just 1 m before they reach the summit on the mountain. They never get nowhere in life. Called losers.
Read on my post left bottom, you are about there. Get angry with yourself instead of quitting! That's a therapy.
Remember that after rain always comes sun.
Hermes
:nono: quiting? no.no...

I understand not betting until your confidence in a method is way up, Kingspin.  I do also admire your previous works.  If you would be so kind as to post some systems from your stack :ok:

Very postive herme's - thankyou :)

@ proofreader , thank you for your interest in my systems  i will post some of what i consider better ones to you when i find them .
  :thumbsup:

Quote from: hermes on January 22, 2010, 08:59:10 PM
Kingspin you are quitter, that's not good. Lot of people quit just 1 m before they reach the summit on the mountain. They never get nowhere in life. Called losers.
Read on my post left bottom, you are about there. Get angry with yourself instead of quitting! That's a therapy.
Remember that after rain always comes sun.
Hermes
:nono: quiting? no.no...

on the contrary "insanity" has often been described as doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results over and over (but expecting different results.)  which is what (almost) everyone here is doing.  so the devil's wheel has made you all insane.  you try a million different ways to overcome the house edge and it always prevails exactly the same, no matter how or when you place the bets or how many chips you put down or where you put them.  thinking you can change the negative mathematical expectation with some kind of mechanical system, and trying to do so over and over again, is, unfortunately, by definition, a bit insane.

Quote from: simon on January 26, 2010, 10:41:26 AM
on the contrary "insanity" has often been described as doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results over and over (but expecting different results.)  which is what (almost) everyone here is doing.  so the devil's wheel has made you all insane.  you try a million different ways to overcome the house edge and it always prevails exactly the same, no matter how or when you place the bets or how many chips you put down or where you put them.  thinking you can change the negative mathematical expectation with some kind of mechanical system, and trying to do so over and over again, is, unfortunately, by definition, a bit insane.

Yes and no Simon, roulette has many different bets,(all the same granted) so it appears to look like your making many different stabs at beating the wheel, you cant really say people are being insane when the truth is they are just fooled by the appearance of the game. But , if you kept putting 10 on red or balck then 20.... martingale style over and over, and thats all you did even though you keep losing your bankroll every time you do it, then that would be insane.  I think people are mainly ignorant rather than insane.

Some casino's that I cleared out of big sums of money have rigged the rng's to make this system lose now.  
This system will defeat some rng's that have not had the anti bingo roulette mod done.  The two posts above about insanity are funny  :biggrin:.

When you think we are playing a game with the devils numbers 666 I guess we are playing the unknown .
The game I am sure can play tricks with your mind in a lot of ways.  >:D :thumbsup:

This is the little devil that makes us lose >:D
The feeling after a big win looks like this :biggrin: :)
After a big loss this is what you feel like  :skull: >:(  :'(

No...this is what you feel like after a big loss :suicide:
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Hi guys. I am probably being a prude, but I want to request that the suicide smiley be removed. OK, I know that some will think that I am just being a pain, but in my line of daily work I have to deal with this thing on quite a regular basis... and then especially with the families who remain behind after someone took his or her own life. It is truly a very traumatic experience.  Clothdog, I am not picking on you, please, and I am requesting this in all honesty and if you feel that I am being difficult I will not raise this subject again (since this is a forum after all) and I will not hold it against anyone. But I truly feel that a smiley like this is in bad taste. Only 2 months ago I sat next to another man who shot himself, trying to console his wife and daughter of 17. I hope you will understand where I am coming from and that I am not trying to pick a fight here.

Thanks.
Babs