Hi rouletters,
I had a thought,it is said many system sellers are scam,i was wondering could it be that some system sellers are banned casino players??
Seykid
P.S And are all system that bad really???
well most of sellers are scamers i never buy any system on my life i did try couple system just test it but when someone selling it there you know somethink is not ok..i mean not everyone will be scammer but if you want fin d out will be cost you some money:))
Quote from: seykid29 on October 30, 2009, 05:57:26 AM
Hi rouletters,
I had a thought,it is said many system sellers are scam,I was wondering could it be that some system sellers are banned casino players??
Seykid
P.S And are all system that bad really???
I know 4 people in the word,N.Zealand,Croatia,Sweden,Italy
who do have infallible roulette systems,and had many offers
to sell but didn't.How do I know this?????You can just guess.
.......................................................iboba 8) 8)
I think i can guess :) So you telling me there are such people alive :o Wow So there is a reason why they dont sell.
Seykid.
:nono: :nono: :nono:
..........Iboba 8)
I bet you know such method of play. :D
There are some good systems for sale. IBS 7 beat both the roulette zumma book and the 600 shoe bac book. :)
Quote from: hot vegas night on October 31, 2009, 11:34:26 PM
There are some good systems for sale. IBS 7 beat both the roulette zumma book and the 600 shoe bac book. :)
Can you explain how IBS 7 works Vegas.....or anybody?
thanks
The Spiders Kiss
Hi VLS,
Quote from: iboba on October 30, 2009, 07:24:07 AM
I know 4 people in the word,N.Zealand,Croatia,Sweden,Italy
who do have infallible roulette systems,and had many offers
to sell but didn't.How do I know this?????You can just guess.
.......................................................iboba 8) 8)
Nice one Iboba...
By the way...are you from Croatia???
Hehe...
You must be one of the four person right??? The one from Croatia... :thumbsup:
Nice one...
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
This is not a \reply :
A statement of fact. . There can never be a fool proof system by bet selection alone. Those guys that PRETEND they have achieved a fool proof betting system are liars. They are walking around with their noses in the air .
I addittion to their bet selection it involves negative progressions and thats`s what their imaginary castles are buitlt upon . It`s a mirage.Those cats are playing with sufficient and bankrolls to create a dream.
They live by the motto : Roulette is an expensive game and I can afford it. That`s all . .... and don`t tell me any different . They are subject to the same casino edge.
Don`t believe what`s printed by any one on the internet unless you are a certified sucker.
NATHAN DETROIT
What a load of rubbish. An infallible roulette system does not exist, it's mathematically impossible. Every system will fail. This IBS 7 is obviously a scam. You'd be nuts to buy it. I have seen some of the author's other work. He's an idiot. All he does is trawl forums like this one, steals other people's cra*py ideas and sells them as his own.
$7000 reduced to $700 :haha: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 01, 2009, 01:14:12 PM
This is not a \reply :
A statement of fact. . There can never be a fool proof system by bet selection alone. Those guys that PRETEND they have achieved a fool proof betting system are liars. They are walking around with their noses in the air .
I addittion to their bet selection it involves negative progressions and thats`s what their imaginary castles are buitlt upon . It`s a mirage.Those cats are playing with sufficient and bankrolls to create a dream.
They live by the motto : Roulette is an expensive game and I can afford it. That`s all . .... and don`t tell me any different . They are subject to the same casino edge.
Don`t believe what`s printed by any one on the internet unless you are a certified sucker.
NATHAN DETROIT
Hi Nathan,
Indeed we all judge on what we know what we can measure up to,this is our brain working.It is said there are more [/color] things under Heaven and Earth than those dream of..i believe and know it,being a martial artist and Metaphysician for 15 years,i can realate to.If someone doesnt want to share or give does it mean they havent got it??And if they do have it it's only fair they enjoy the fruits of their hard work..mocking and trying to lure them out,will only make them laugh.
They got nothing to lose but everything to win :yes:.Peace.
Seykid.
Hot Vegas Nights.
I removed your post. No clickable links please. BTW it seems you are trying to earn commission ........
This system bets on 2 dozens. If anyone is interested in this way. Go read up on Lanky's LW methodology playing the Dozens. JD and LD. It is all right here on the forum. No need to pay $7000 for some or other system. (Which will fail) Again guys ask yourself this. Why would you sell a system that works? It's not because of being banned from casinos. Surely you could play online if that was the case.
The only money these systems make, is the money from the buyer, paid to the system seller!
Cheers
Jakk
Seykid
Not to long ago, man believed that the earth was flat. Now we travel around the it. Does a boxer need to beat the opponent to a pulp to be a winner. The game of chess what is the odds of winning.? Can one or two methods of playing chess win al the time.
Any business got its own ups and downs. There is also the edge of the competition. That's one of the reasons business and products keep on changing to keep up with the TREND of time.
Yes a good method might be a redundant one next month, but the concept of the play will still be alive.
Do one really need to win more than 10 or more spins to be a winner. Why do we check a method over thousands of spins. Is it to proof it wrong or to get an excuse for our loses.
Mate if any system is so bad that it can't and will not win ever - then I buy that system. That on its own proof that there is a winning system al the way. To play the opposite of this losing system is the winning way.
The way of the warrior. How needs to proof himself if he believes in himself.
I don't know your way of playing, on the table, but I believe that yes you got something and that you will change it till the end of time. In live, one needs to adopt to change to stay alive.
100 Years back man said that if you travel at more than 40 miles per hour you will go insane. Now we'v passed sound barriers ? or are we insane to do it.
Just like the bandit's robbing a safe witch were impossible to do. All is possible.
If there is no method or system. Why do we talk about random, or standard deviation in the game. Then everything that will happen is up to LUCK. I don't think so.
To predict the next number can be a b***h, what about to predict the next 3 numbers not to hit. Is it the same?
Who much does a system needs to win to be banned. July this year a guy at my local casino lost 1.8 mill ( ye Rand but its still a lot of $) and came back the next week and won 2.6 mill - he still plays at the casino. He just play the 1st and 2nd dozen to the maxis.
Maybe we need to check this play out. Playing to half or full maxis.
Thats from numbers, streets or dozens. Those with money can make a lot at once if they play to a method.
Peace and thanks for your post.
TCD
Hi TCD,
Nice answer.And yes TO CHANGE WITH CHANGES IT'S A CHANGELESS STATE..the biggest Lesson in life for me is *appearance can be deceiving* but who knows ,out there i guarantee some genius is making a good living out of it.Some may conclude that even Einstein fail,but not really so,he was really to preoccupy with Relativity Theory and he was getting into religion.Anyway those of us who can manage good profits,continue.Peace.
Peace.
Seykid.
Seykid,
Prof. Einstein did voice his opinion on how to win at roulette :" Just steal the chips without getting caught."
He knew what he was talking about.
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 02, 2009, 11:52:49 AM
Prof. Einstein did voice his opinion on how to win at roulette :" Just steal the chips without getting caught."
He knew what he was talking about.
I did what he said... and casino security broke me 3 fingers :lol:
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 02, 2009, 11:52:49 AM
Seykid,
Prof. Einstein did voice his opinion on how to win at roulette :" Just steal the chips without getting caught."
He knew what he was talking about.
Nathan Detroit
He was a scientist but not THE VOICE..but if he said that because he was too lazy/busy to work on a nice strategy.
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on November 02, 2009, 03:31:24 AM
Hot Vegas Nights.
I removed your post. No clickable links please. BTW it seems you are trying to earn commission ........
This system bets on 2 dozens. If anyone is interested in this way. Go read up on Lanky's LW methodology playing the Dozens. JD and LD. It is all right here on the forum. No need to pay $7000 for some or other system. (Which will fail) Again guys ask yourself this. Why would you sell a system that works? It's not because of being banned from casinos. Surely you could play online if that was the case.
The only money these systems make, is the money from the buyer, paid to the system seller!
Cheers
Jakk
You are wrong. :rtfm: I get no commission from Izak. I was only relating my experience to his IBS7 system. I do not think it was cool at all to remove my post. I can understand you removing the link, but not the whole post. :nono:
I apologise if I was in the wrong. You did however post a clickable link to a sales page and you are advertising it by informing everyone that it works 100%
Haven't you tried to sell systems on this forum before?
Didnt Einstein say you cant beat the roulette table, i believe he didnt mention the roulette wheel. Such a shame he didnt have access to the technology we have available today, he may of changed his mind. Still if someone says the world is flat, then i guess it is flat.
Einstein took only one look at the wheel anf KNEW what he was talking about.
Nathan Detroit
To Quote Einstein
Many of the things you can count, don't count. Many of the things you can't count, really count.
Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.
Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.
Now that Einstein rest in Peace.It is up to us to continue the work..on Roulette too.
It is possible to win regularly at casino table games, I know this for a fact! hey hey
Starvos
Watch your back - the casino is going to get you banned. You know to much :biggrin:
I know now what Einstein knew, but he didn't know what I know now. Yes you can win with a "plan"
Seykid - tell me more of you method - I only play at B&M casino - single zero.
I'm testing something new - will let you have it before Xmas. Ho Ho.
I play more quad pattern,bit like Murph system,with a few tweaks.But i also adapt my game to follow trends.
I believe that anybody can find a suitable winning
method for him self if one really tries hard.
If you have a base bet/which I often post on this forum/
which one can bet in many different ways,then one must find the best
variation of this base bet,turn it up side down,test it with live spins/not RGN/
and exploit it to maximum.Is there really a winning method???
Yes there is------winning method,but not a winning system
as these two have nothing to do with each other,and casinos love a system
table and the wheel players,but they don't fancy method players who regulary
are taking part of the cake,thought small part,but it is consistent.
And when this is mult.1x7x30x12,it comes to lot of money yearly.
But to be a method player you must have a lot of patience,spare time and constant
like a dog concetration.Hope you will find these thoughts hopefull...........Iboba 8) 8)
*********Yes there is------winning method,but not a winning system*******Iboba
EXAMPLE:
One can play a SYSTEM with 3 EC B/L/E which might not be a winner but the same 3 EC B/L/E played with a METHOD can become a winner. :ok:
N.D.
Iboba, the problem is, there is no "optimum variation" when dealing with random outcomes.
Quote from: Number Six on November 03, 2009, 06:13:40 PM
Iboba, the problem is, there is no "optimum variation" when dealing with random outcomes.
But there is a random variation when dealing with random outcomes,and we can't
predict when,which or how...but the wheel can do it for us and in our favour instead.
Incredible but true.......................................Iboba 8) 8)
Einstein also said something like...
Mean and distribution are not necessarily the best way to analyze statistical data.
Then it must be the square of the sun.
Automatic mechanical indicator of the wheel can not avoid distributing
certain identical brush strokes of the whole picture painted on the
table, nor can it escape from certain movements,so if one recognise these
will see all the picture...................................Iboba 8) 8)
So what is being said here is that it is always possible to come out victorius.
As some may know i always play more automated roulette,and it cross my mind,even if it is said to be random,is there really no order at all,in a way of speaking.Or else how they manage the profit.Or with that many numbers with randomness,table limit,payout they always come out victorious.
Seykid.
Seykid
Yes there is order. Just like art - some may see a picture in a painting that is not visible for another. That's modern art.
The casino makes money out of the greed of the stupid gambler. The one who believes that the next number MUST be the following. because this is to his own observation. Its going to be BLACK - LOW and ODD. Lucky guess if his right. But if he/she can calculate it and give a reason to the calculation, and this method works for more than 90% correct on the next. Then there must be order in all the randomness.
Victory is possible, There is many SYSTEMS that can be played with the right METHOD. Anybody can beat a drum, thats the system take a stick and beat it. To make it music you need to apply a method to the beating.
With this in mind maybe the system sellers made to much noise in the casino.
Sorry for all the quotes, For every action there is a reaction.
If and when your method or system is more wrong - losing - there must be a reaction to get back to action. The edge on single zero is only 2.7% to the house. To exclude only 1 number you will be even on the play, to exclude 2 numbers you are winning. NOW this is were greed comes in, do you want to win once at a given time or win every time for 50+ spins?
Who to exclude 2 numbers on the next.
Take the root of the number of last and THEN multiply the root with the root of the previous number. Subtract the roots from each other. if this is a figure then exclude these two for next. If not a full figure number for the table skip the play.
21 3
18 9 (9 x 3 = 27) (9 - 3 = 6) exclude 27 , 6
9 9 ( 9 x 9 =81) ( 9 - 9 = 0) 81 = no play
4 4 ( 4 x 9 = 36) ( 9 - 4 = 5) excl. 36 , 5
6 6 ( 6 x 4 = 24) ( 6 - 4 = 2 ) excl. 24 , 2
36 9 ( 9 x 6 = 54) no play
29 2 ( 2 x 9 = 18 ) ( 9 - 2 = 7 ) 2, 7
It sounds stupid - maybe it can be done with other decimal numbers. Will post topic after tests.
TCD
Victory is possible, There is many SYSTEMS that can be played with the right METHOD. Anybody can beat a drum, thats the system take a stick and beat it. To make it music you need to apply a method to the beating
TCD
Nice point you made.Love it.
Seykid. :lol:
Sounds great as long as the wheel is in agreement with the calculations and delivers which is more often not the case .
N.D.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 04, 2009, 08:34:41 AM
Sounds great as long as the wheel is in agreement with the calculations and delivers which is more often not the case .
N.D.
The point is that the wheel delivers exactly as it should
on the long run,while calculations are ours.
Yes my friend Nathan,the case depends to the
You hit right on the nail.The delivers as it should..not like we would have like it to though.That's a different point.
Hi again,
I had a thought about system sellers,many says they are scam.I was thinking that if out there,maybe,just maybe someone was proposing a 99% Grail,will we reject it because afraid of being hurt..that's the way we humans are wired.Bad experiences scare us even if great ideas face us.And no im not promoting sellers,never have bought anything.Dont have any card at all..its not a common thing here where i live.
Seykid.
Quote from: seykid29 on November 13, 2009, 02:58:35 AM
...I was thinking that if out there,maybe,just maybe someone was proposing a 99% Grail,will we reject it because afraid of being hurt...
Ipso facto my friend.
System sellers rely on the fact that you can't resist missing out on the possiblity that there's is "The One"
Quote from: seykid29 on November 13, 2009, 02:58:35 AM
maybe,just maybe someone was proposing a 99% Grail,will we reject it
I doubt it will happen Seykid, sellers never seem to explain enough of their idea to make us think it could be a 99% HG.
It's all cloak n dagger n PayPal account stuff..... :nono: :nono:
S11o1 i guess its all no no to sellers,no matter what??? :nono:
Quote from: seykid29 on November 13, 2009, 04:05:51 AM
S11o1 I guess its all no no to sellers,no matter what??? :nono:
Well it is from me SeyKid, I'm yet to know ANYBODY that has bought one that has worked :-[
So i guess the true winners ,are those in silence enjoying the fruits of their hard work.
Would you sell a true winner for like $99-95 ???
No, exactly that's another reason why they aren't winners !!!!
Roulette is the toughest of nuts to crack, I would doubt there are many people winning regularly....
So the journey has ended ,playing for the sake of playing..
Quote from: seykid29 on November 13, 2009, 01:59:24 PM
So the journey has ended ,playing for the sake of playing..
No seykid I'm not saying that, let's put it this way.....
"IF it was easy, EVERYBODY would be doing it"
Dedication with knowledge is key!?
Quote from: seykid29 on November 13, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
Dedication with knowledge is key!?
HeHeHe Yes !!!
sounds like a good combination to me..... 8)
Quote from: xman1970 on November 13, 2009, 01:28:19 PM
Would you sell a true winner for like $99-95 ???
No, exactly that's another reason why they aren't winners !!!!
Roulette is the toughest of nuts to crack, I would doubt there are many people winning regularly....
I guess you can call me the nutcracker then. :sarcastic: Roulette is so easy to beat that it is not even funny. :dance1: