I feel that you have been put up with fear criticism but also that you have been taken much unnecessary bullshit from many members.
I just want to spell it out that i think you are an great man who share with your development regarding roulette.
Its very cool that you have made an web-site and keep the debate going and help people out to learn and understand.
Take care with affection.
LS
I second that :thumbsup:
all my respect to you and your hard work .... a big thank you from me to you ..
greetz
Hi Mr Chips,
I'm new to this forum and would also like to say thank you for all your hard work.
And thanks for sharing with those who wish to put in the time and effort to learn your method.
Thanks
malcop
Richard
I totally agree! I created a thread a long time ago which stated we should either listen to you or brand you a liar and ignore you. Not one person actually spent the time to prove the 4Selecta did not work. When I quit working on it, I was hundreds up after making a ton of mistakes.
People are still listening to you and no one has disproved your 4Selecta. I think that says a lot!
Hang in there!
Sam
Thank you all for your kind comments, it's very much appreciated. I know the systems I create are
very complex and will drive many people crazy, but they are designed to make a profit in the long
term and in all the years I have been designing such systems, I haven't found an easy solution.
My Best Regards
To you all
Richard
I will reply to Gizmotron separately
I'm completely stuck on determining how to apply the m+1, m+2, p-1, and 000's. Perhaps I've misunderstood the column that feeds these conclusion just to the left. I would like to see it explained to someone else. Yes, the process has driven me crazy. I don't want to be driven over a cliff.
Gizmo,
First of all I have read your comments about me over at GG. You expect some sort of co-operation
from me, you must be living in cloud cuckoo land. If I was an Administrator I would ban you for
ever from this forum, so your lucky that I am not one.
I suggest you and your buddy spike stick to the cess pit over at GG and the rest of us here will get on
with having a friendly discussion about roulette with no foul mouth abuse.
To the Admins and Mods,
You may wish to delete this post and that's fine by me, but I would appreciate enough time
for Gizotron to view it.
Thanks
One more post on this and I'm done.........
Using the Super-Roulette bot has taught me a lot. Much of this can transfer over to plain ol' wheel play, so here goes. I can go through my files and pick trots where the bot makes a ton of money. A person wanting to advance a sale or an idea could use those and those alone to make his point. However, if you looked at the trots in their entirety, you would see huge peaks and valleys. By the same token, one wanting to disprove a theory could use only the valleys.
What has the bot taught me? I am hand-testing Mr J's nameless system and it is making a ton of money, just as he said it would. However, what I have learned whispers in my ear and says, "Hey, dipstick, you could just be riding a positive tram." And I could. In the next hundred trots it could all turn around.
I am doing tests with the bot which are 100% non-subjective and 100% mechanical. What I find I will post, but I agree that one must look at what one is doing in the context of a million spins and not 5,000. However, if the subjective enters in, this simply isn't possible as "subjective" is subjective with respect to the player.
We are all much like the five blind men feeling the elephant. None of us have the total picture.
Sam
Its every individuals responsibility to make there own judgment.
Its every individuals responsibility to test any method they read about before they use it with real money.
Take care with affection.
LS
I don't agree.
First we are not selling any roulette systems here.
Second any one who read about an free contribution should test it by them self and then decide if they want to try it out for real and have some fun.
There is nothing wrong with that as this is an roulette forum.
Take care with affection.
LS
Hi People.
This Topic is called.
Thank you Mr Chips for your contribution you are what this forum is all about.
And seeing its Lucky's Topic I won't remove the negative posts (yet) as I believe that's up to Lucky to do that.
But from what I see its a Thank You Topic and nothing else.
If You don't want to be part of that then Butt out and go annoy someone else somewhere else....
I won't be saying this to You people again as You won't get another chance to Disrupt this Topic again.
Having said all that.
I also would like to thank You Richard for sharing with this Forum and trying to explain what it is that You do.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
your comments make no sense in this thread because you are making references to being "...conned and suckered by a seasoned scam-artist. Scammers prey on the weak..." etc. etc. and obviously Mr. Chips is not a scam artist (whether his system works or not or makes any sense or not, he is definitely not a scam artist and you can take it or leave it, no one's getting "ripped off" by Mr. Chips because no one is paying for his system-- at worst you might feel it was a waste of time to study his system, well that's just too bad.)
I never said he is a scam artist. The point I was trying to make is that the whole concept of everyone testing a method before betting real money is a nice idea but not the norm for alot of new players. It's even worse when you have a scammer encouraging them to make these bets on a supposed sure thing. I don't think Richard or Winkel are out there to scam the roulette world, and I doubt my position on that will change. Just because I disagree with the methods they use and things they do, doesn't mean I think they are bad guys or destined for failure. If there ways work for them, far be it from me to tell them they are wrong.
yes that is a bad thing when scammers or others encourage people to play bad systems. at least that is not the case here or normal for this forum, as for the most part it is only people putting forth their ideas and systems they are working on, for others to have a look at and test on their own and decide for themselves if they want to try them out or not.
that being said, personally I have wasted a lot of time and money on systems that don't work, including systems and money management strategies that I believe were offered with good intentions and may have worked well for some but I could not get the same results. therefore it is a good thing if the signum system can be properly understood, explained, analyzed and tested by persons other than the author if such a thing can be done (but since it is not a strictly mechanical system, it could be difficult to prove or disprove it's worth, but at least if it could be clearly understood that would certainly be helpful.)
anyway since this is a thank you thread, I would point out that I wonder how many people would give away the holy grail if they thought they had finally come up with it more or less, after working very hard for years on systems, so for what it's worth I also appreciate and thank Mr. Chips for putting his work and explanation and tutoring of the system out there for free for those who want to try and tackle it (maybe someday I'll study and understand it myself-- I have given up on everything else so perhaps it's worth a shot, before giving up on the game altogether.)
(thanks also to Winkel and Lanky and Victor and everyone else-- and there are many-- who have have freely posted their work and ideas-- which are not always understood, and cannot be counted on to work-- but no one is putting a gun to anyone's head and saying they have to try them, either.)
Quote from: cabbage on November 21, 2009, 11:59:34 AM
Thankyou Mr Chips for using clever dick words to expalin your systems rather than plain english in simple steps.. yeah your real smart, here is a gold star for you * ..now for the layman explain your systems in a easy to follow way as they could be ;) ...I understand your systems are complex but they can be shown how you play them in simple terms, but that would'nt make you look a smart arse would it?
you sound like a typical gg poster. you must be the one who threw spitballs when the teacher's back was turned. it amazes me you think you can demand explanations from Mr. Chips while insulting him at the same time. I have not studied the system and I know next to nothing about it, but if I wanted to pick someone's brain about something I wanted them to explain to me, I would be polite about it. he doesn't owe you a thing. I have no idea if the system is bs or not, but it seems that other people here are making headway with it and are getting good results, so if some people get it, that doesn't make you (or me) look too bright, does it? I don't even want to try and understand it right now (mainly because just looking at the questions and answers gives me a headache), and if/when I do I'll probably get as frustrated as you. but I don't think insulting the teacher is going to help the learning process.
Quote from: Landis on November 21, 2009, 04:27:08 PM
If we are going to be praising Mr. Chips, then shouldn't we also be praising James Wendall?
The big difference is that I produce verifiable results and I don't regurgitate endless splurge about gamblers
fallacy, which we all know is itself a fallacy.
I am a little curious about what your definition of "Verifiable" is.
Quote from: Landis on November 21, 2009, 07:13:53 PM
Gambler's Fallacy is acknowledged by every Encyclopedia.
So we are supposed to believe that they are all wrong, but that you are right?
You have tested so few spins that you have no verification whatsoever.
I have used Signum for a number of years at casino's here in the the UK and so it has been well
tested. I am now producing verifiable results, Spielbank spins on the website and SD will also be
shown.
According to wikipedia the standard deviation for even money roulette bets is considered the lowest
of all casino games, therefore as the number of placed bets climbs from hundreds and into thousands
it would have to be your contention that the SD could not achieve a score of 3.0 or above say 6.0
or even above that figure.
Quote from: Landis on November 21, 2009, 07:58:59 PM
Why don't you have the system coded?
This reduces the chance of the data being curve fitted.
This is what Konfused did when he tested Winkel's method. He tested over a millions spins and showed how the results were close to the expected -2.7%
Snowman. Herb or whatever you call yourself,
Konfused didn´t code G.U.T he just tested every crossing over 10 million spins.
That the results were -2,7 males the G.U.t winning, because it proofs that randomness follos rules.
BTW means that result that in a great number of trials there is a equal outcome of all numbers.
To achieve that there need to be waves.
These waves can be detected and used.
You claim to be mathguy, but you are just an idiot sitting in a church claiming there is no god.
The next sentence is: I know all and forever, believe in me!
@the Forum-Leaders
Why do we have to stand this annoying person
Quote from: Landis on November 21, 2009, 07:58:59 PM
Why don't you have the system coded?
This reduces the chance of the data being curve fitted.
This is what Konfused did when he tested Winkel's method. He tested over a millions spins and showed how the results were close to the expected -2.7%
You have dodged the question, no doubt because you are afraid of the outcome. The results from
Spielbank spins can be checked, so you can't cast any doubts in that direction. According to you
it should be impossible to get a SD of 3.0 even from say 2000 placed bets. A score of 6.0 would be
impossible according to you and above that well!
Here's an example.
You come to a point in your play where you should continue betting or quit. Both are the correct bet according to your rules. So, you look ahead and see that if you continue betting you will lose, consequently you chose to quit as a result of looking ahead. It's like a time traveler coming to a fork in the road and then looking ahead to the future to see which way he should have turned.
This is frequently what happens when people manually test systems without a computer. Even with computer testing it can still happen. It's easy to do. Winkel does the same thing. Just about everyone will if an iron clad set of rules is not laid out in advance and followed. It's human nature. It takes a great deal of experience to properly test these systems correctly.
By the way, This is in no way a jab at you or anyone.
-Landis
Landis
If you know everything and do it better, why don´t you sit at a table and win instead of annoying people with your hate?
I know the answer you lost more you could afford.
You are the loser? Go away.<<Edited
Quote from: Landis on November 21, 2009, 08:43:23 PM
Mr. Chips,
Your rules tend to bend and flex just a bit much. For starters, many people can't seem to find a concrete set of rules to follow when using your system. It would appear that you, at times, change the rules to back fit the data. In other words, you're looking back in time and changing how you would have bet. I don't really mean this in a negative way. It's just a result of your manual testing. The exit strategy is also a bit lose and vague.
The maximum number of entries for the Signum system is 20. An entry refers to recording of a symbol
and a losing zero. The only exception to that rule is if there is a long winning trend and will then exit
when the trend comes to an end. A member of this forum not me, produced such a session, where there
were several losing zero's and yet still made a profit of +9 units.
There are no rules to change, as everyone who understands Signum knows about the Formations, that is
the various patterns which are created by the symbols. There are a number of members who have
produced more winning sessions than losing ones. Are you also accusing them of changing the rules
to back fit the data?
Your criticisms when scrutinised don't stand up. The members here have produced results similar to
the ones I have shown on the website.
The fact of the matter is when faced with certain results, which are not to your liking, you make feeble
excuses and try to discredit such results. Your main get out is a sytem has to be tested for millions
of spins and most probably using some obscure PRNG.
As far as Even Chance bets, it requires very few spins according to the maths to show that it is impossible
for the SD to climb for example to 6.0 and above. It certainly doesn't require millions of spins. If you
consider it does then your credibility here will be at an all time low. If someone says they can flip a coin,
so that the SD will increase, you would say that is a nonsense and it would not require millions of coin
flips to prove it.
I was curious to see how Mr Chips' system has performed in terms of SD, so taking the results posted on his site (spielbank spins from Jan through to April), the total placed bets were 1475 with a profit of 342. From these figures you can calculate that there were 907 wins and 568 losses.
Now, the expected number of wins is 1475 x (18/37) = 717 (rounded down).
And the SD is
sqrt(np(1-p))
= sqrt{(1475)(0.4865) (0.5133)} = 19.2
So the z-score (number of SD's above the mean) is (907 - 717)/19.2 = 9.90
I know this hasn't been "verified" by anyone other than Mr Chips yet, but it's certainly impressive. The chance of getting this result due to chance is basically zero.
HI Tangram .. Nice Job :thumbsup:
the z score climbed up from 3.6 or something to 9.90 .. is another proof that the signum system is worth to learn and master it...
thnx
Quote from: "Landis"Here's an example.
You come to a point in your play where you should continue betting or quit. Both are the correct bet according to your rules. So, you look ahead and see that if you continue betting you will lose, consequently you chose to quit as a result of looking ahead. It's like a time traveler coming to a fork in the road and then looking ahead to the future to see which way he should have turned.
I agree that this can be a possibility, but what would be the point of "cheating" in this way? and why would Mr Chips go to all the trouble of creating a web site, and posting verifiable results that anyone who takes the trouble to learn the system can check for the themselves, if he was going to fudge the results? this kind of unconscious cheating would be very quickly exposed by anyone who works through the same sets of spins, and they would question any discrepancies. I would think that Mr Chips would take great care to make sure that he was
not fiddling the books.
Mr Chips.
I am happy that you change your mind before so Tangram could measuring it for you.
An Estat of 9.90 is incredible so gratulations.
LS
I end this topic because it was meant to be an thank you for your efforts.
Now it has become the old boring story again.
If some one want to continue to criticize signum or Mr Chips efforts you can return to the correct thread/topic to do so.
Hi Lucky.
I have cleaned up this Topic.
I removed some...
I edited a couple and I left what some would most probably call dodgy ones there.
(dodgy)=Lucky to still be there.
I told people days ago that this would happen if it continued.......It did continue...so I did what I said I would do.
Good OnYa Mate.
Lanky.