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LE: Seems you guys already decided you will donate to keep the forum alive so my offer was not well received. I am sorry if I offended anyone.
Good luck and long live vlsroulette!
now thats what am talkin about :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
nice to see theres good ppl out there
vic you aint goin nowhere
look forward to the developments
Let's talk. Check your PM inbox :)
The current plan is the forum gets sold before Christmas or at most before the 28th to the highest bidder, let's see what can be done instead!
I'm open and welcome all your ideas my friend.
Victor
geeez good to here Vic
stop here mate ,,,,,,,,and you could make a few bob for your family too ;) ;) ;)
Fingers X'd
TSK
Tonight I am going to eat out. Our tip will be such that if every swingin' dick on this forum would contribute that much once a monthTHERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM!!
I thought the forum was sold. Is it sold or not?
Victor, how much do you need per month? Surely a few of us can contribute heavily and help you out. Will anyone join me?
Sam
Define heavily? And what would we get in return? Not trying to be a jerk, but I am curious.
Quote from: Davey-Jones on December 10, 2009, 10:32:52 PM
Define heavily? And what would we get in return? Not trying to be a jerk, but I am curious.
Hi Davey, I think heavy as in "in number".
If we could only have 100 people to give $1... problem solved. For one month at least! At times I get to think about it and it is unbelievable, we are the #2 roulette forum in the world and we can't collect a single hundred/mo!
We have to look for other venues dear friends, and it isn't for ME, it is for YOUR benefit. After change of ownership I get $0/mo from the forum, that for me is a gain, and the community continues: what really matters.
You may think: $0/mo is nothing, how could you call that a gain? Well, it IS a gain when monthly balance gets in the minus! One less thing to care about every month for me. Let's think a bit: perhaps the most suitable owner shouldn't be in a country with dollar restrictions imposed by the local government!
How much do I have to pay to get the pit?
If you can convince Lanky and Xman, the pit is free...
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 10, 2009, 09:11:29 PM
I thought the forum was sold. Is it sold or not?
Not sold yet.
Quote from: VLSroulette on December 10, 2009, 11:15:11 PM
If you can convince Lanky and Xman, the pit is free...
Okay... Suppose I have to go to plan B. How much does it cost to buy off Lanky and Xman?
Quote from: Davey-Jones on December 10, 2009, 11:31:17 PM
Okay... Suppose I have to go to plan B. How much does it cost to buy off Lanky and Xman?
"There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard." :)
hahaha
I'll give $20 per month. Are there four others. Let him have the pit. We can ignore it.
Sam
If it gets achieved we can have an ad-free forum this month.
One of the reasons of the sale is there is like ~$300 to be paid before year's end. We'll have to make a Christmas' collect as we can't get into the next year in debt. A fellow member of this forum loaned $150, and there is still $125 to be paid to a local importer here who kindly provided them and also some $5's and $10's that I'm sure could be forfeited if asked but I want to repay back to be fair with the kind ones who attended the loan request to build the server for the -now failed- hosting venture at the time it was posted some months ago.
Although in my book it isn't quite right when 5 people have to pay for the other 3400+, if it proves sustainable then we can keep the forum to ourselves, advertisement-free, debt-free and back to normal.
Shall we give this a shot?
I have no problem giving $20, its the HOW. I can not donate the REGULAR way. Ken
Is there a reason you don't charge a yearly membership of say $10?
Quote from: Davey-Jones on December 11, 2009, 01:08:31 AM
Is there a reason you don't charge a yearly membership of say $10?
Never considered it.
We did have a $1/mo subscription in the past.
Fellow member Trylobit was the only one to kindly take it.
Victor
Consider Davey-Jones question. A dollar a month to be exposed to all this love and wisdom??
Victor, what if I just loaned you $300? What if the members paid me back for you? What if we put our heads together and came up with a solution?
Let me know how I can help.
Sam
I'm in...takes one good grail....to keep it goin sponsor free...let me know of consensus decision... alot history is at stake here....hard luck money can really suck..
Victor
Please don't sell the forum. I'm not on paypal, but will register and pay. If there is another why to transfer money, please give the details. I think there might be a couple of guys and girls not on paypal and they can use this alternative why to pay.
The help and info on this forum are more of value than one can realize. It makes every one a Robin Hood, capable to take money from the casino. This is not only for AP's its for everyone from a novice to a master.
PS thanks Sam, I will pay you back, just stop the selling of the form, send me the info for the transfer to your account.
payments will be before the 20th of Dec 2009
Thanks
Twocando.
Count me in...I have done in past.
Hi Vic
PLEASE CONTACT Lanky,,,,,,,,interseting deveopments on my side of the world ;) ;) ;) ;)
ok just trying to help
:angel: :angel:
Hi People.
Bruce has been kind enough to try and get the Forum some help.
I have forwarded & will continue to forward eveything I get to Victor by email.
Lanky.
Hi , Victor, you didn`t answer my my last pm. I will communicate my general idea in this post so everyone can see it.
First, I wanna say that VLSROULETTE should never have other owners besides you and the senior members.
If a casino takes over this forum , you can say bye bye to freedom of speech. We will all be censored.
My offer is this:
1.You remain the admin. If you don`t wanna take care of the forum, have someone else do it. Someone you trust.
2. I work my magic on the forum's ad space. I can make this forum enough money to sustain itself and MORE! . How much are you paying per month for hosting? Are you on vps/dedicated? 100$?
If all else fails, I will buy the forum from you, we will create a clause in the contract so that the community remains unchanged,free . You can even remain the admin. I will be hosting the forum and manage the ad space.
What do you say?
Alex
I have no problem with donate some money. I did earlier.
I think Victor is correct with gov. restrictions, its very anoing.
So, I supose that ownership or member from country without restictions must be in charge and PowerOfAttorney.
Forum van make money from adsense, add and banners but this must be done with expireience guy (no offense Victor).
btw: Some error is on home page below "up time" (many letters)
Gogo
I say we can collect $300 this december, let's try it.
As i have pay-pal now but did not before so i can send an amount, i will do so.
But i have to say you have been there before and solve the solution with this way.
Now you are here again with the same situation.
I don't see that it is an stabel way or running an forum, it has an poor economic foundation.
This year VLS is up running and next year we don't have an clue if it is.
Because then we will read all this kind of posts again with the same issue.
LS
Victor.
Check Your Pm Please.
Lanky.
This is why this not work out the way you think it should - my opinion.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=13552.0 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=13552.0)
LS
@Alex
I'll do the PM's later today.
@Gogo
I tried and couldn't make it work for us here, that's the truth, no shame in admitting reality.
The "garbage" at the footer was due to me testing some PHP encoding last night and going to bed, it has been removed.
Guys,
There is a chance to take this experience here as a learning one and use it for the better.
I'm coding a new forum engine from scratch for VLSforum.com, this is my next step. Not only about roulette, but a whole multiforum.
How long would it take for VLSforum.com to be successful? Truth is I don't know, may be 3 months, 6 months, 1 year???. The support of yours ends as soon as VLSforum matures enough and VLSroulette gets absorbed and hosted, but I can't give you any time frame for its success, that's the truth.
What is different? I've learned my lesson. The new engine starts with a business model from its birth, it will be hosting text-ads and base on activity volume. True with a single forum ads make only cents, but cents a day x plenty of small forums = dollars. It can work with volume, that's the business model. With this, the bigger it gets, the better.
But it can't possibly start the next page in debt.
So, if VLSroulette.com gets debt-free, I stop worrying about selling it and in the mean time for some months the community support would suffice, as soon as VLSforum starts growing and the model gets to show its working, then it can be used as a platform for us here, and then yes VLSroulette.com can be used to funnel traffic to something bigger, but it has to get to the "being big" point!
Let's try guys. Let's give this a try.
I agree,
so we all must gather, how much? 500$?
I will give 50$.
Gogo
Quote from: GogoCro on December 11, 2009, 09:04:46 AM
I agree,
so we all must gather, how much? 500$?
It is less.
I'll place the paypal support button and a counter + a thread to announce the progress at the general board.
We can make it!
Well at one point I even tried to start clearing the debt by doing code jobs (which would take ages), and I did make some simple small-time coding which was paid by paypal so there is some at the account.
With $375 we are good, and this amount includes paying current bill on the 28th to be good for next month.
Quote from: GogoCro on December 11, 2009, 09:04:46 AM
I will give 50$.
Gogo
Please by all means dear friend, let's have the counter approaching the goal!
Many many thanks.
I will do Victor what I have promised..
I have some problems with my PayPal, must wait verification code.
If I can do it with moneybooker, I would, but like you have said before, transaction will cost more, so please, few days will be done. :ok:
Just curious... What happens to the money/forum if you only get $350?
Quote from: Davey-Jones on December 14, 2009, 06:02:48 PM
Just curious... What happens to the money/forum if you only get $350?
There is a kind member from the forum's crew willing to cover us for something shall the collect not deliver 100% (actually due to paypal fees the net is less than gross).
Of course, we can't expect to be $250 short.
As to the offers, we have only had 3: one from a known system seller to use us as platform to advertise his systems, one from a fellow member who wants to have access to the member IP's and another possible one from a casino agency.
Also there is one fellow member asking to buy for "saving us" here.
I totally hope and know the internal community support will come. I don't want to sell and that's the truth.
Quote from: VLSroulette on December 14, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
one from a fellow member who wants to have access to the member IP's and ...
Why he wont that?
Gogo
Quote from: GogoCro on December 15, 2009, 10:32:32 AM
Why he wont that?
Gogo
Marketing, etc, surveys. Or more-sinister purposes? Anyway, those naturally go (first) to the (first) administrator, who may then do with those as he/she warrants best.
I'd be more curious about that enquiring "casino-agency"... puzzling.
Well, it is obvious the value of owning this community is different to every type of owner.
People like system sellers and casinos can advertise directly to gamblers, but in this particular case to locate member's countries of residence has value for a very singular reason :)
Quote from: GogoCro on December 15, 2009, 10:32:32 AM
Why he want that?
Gogo
The value lies on this:
If you are a physical-approach player, you can run a global team of players by approaching those from your target country.
Quote from: VLSroulette on December 15, 2009, 02:40:04 PM
Well, it is obvious the value of owning this community is different to every type of owner.
People like system sellers and casinos can advertise directly to gamblers, but in this particular case to locate member's countries of residence has value for a very singular reason :)
The value lies on this:
If you are a physical-approach player, you can run a global team of players by approaching those from your target country.
Vic sorry but i know it is not my own forum but if you have to decide sell it anyone to related casinos its maybe better when you close it...