Think about it...
Have we any idea what a roulette holy grail is truly worth?
By holy grail I mean absolutely guaranteed profits over any and every financial year.
I was going to poll this topic but there's probably way too many variables, so considering all the ins and outs of casino gambling, how much do you think a grail is worth...dollar figure?
I'm thinking, cashed up, one out, under the radar, not fanatical, $500,000 per year...
What say you?
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hi Bombus, are you trying to say you have a consistent winning strategy? good for you! :-)
Keep winning!
Quote from: loungeplayer on January 03, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
hi Bombus, are you trying to say you have a consistent winning strategy? good for you! :-)
Keep winning!
there are a few people on this site that claim to have winning bets yet none of them ever offer concrete proof. I would say if someone had a bet so good, that they could pick a member from this forum at random and double any amount of money he offers them no questions asked. Then i would beleive it
Quote from: loungeplayer link=topic=13844. msg91219#msg91219 date=1262527231
hi Bombus, are you trying to say you have a consistent winning strategy?
Sadly not. Bombus has nothing but gas.
Quote from: Jish link=topic=13844. msg91223#msg91223 date=1262532049
there are a few people on this site that claim to have winning bets yet none of them ever offer concrete proof.
The complete lack of concrete proof is the surest sign that the conspiracy of silence is working. .
There is NO such thing as a (long term) consistant winning roulette bet. . .
. . . or is there ?
Quote from: Jish on January 03, 2010, 12:20:49 PM
.... none of them ever offer concrete proof. ...
I did, didn´t I?
the magorety are stupid.
Yes, we is!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 03, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
the magorety are stupid.
Yes, we is!
but only the most of them
Quote from: No More Bets on January 03, 2010, 02:15:54 PM
Sadly not. Bombus has nothing but gas. The complete lack of concrete proof is the surest sign that the conspiracy of silence is working. .
There is NO such thing as a (long term) consistant winning roulette bet. . .
. . . or is there ?
...well put this way..what is consistent about this..why..has to be consistent??....where is it..why s nothing happenning..a hell it is more then 120 spins...and still .. nothing..im wrong..orr that wheel is wrong..still nothing..yeeh consistent..maybe one time on 350 spins..from numbers wiesbaden it is midle count 300=350 spins...and not quiet sure..what is more interesting that on camegh wheels it seems to be much easy..dont have clue why but it is..by the way this was my yestaday session .. gues what no one hit just even chances was good enough to hold the same bankroll where i was start..nothing 420 spins gues i will start play chess
Quote from: loungeplayer on January 03, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
hi Bombus, are you trying to say you have a consistent winning strategy? good for you! :-)
Keep winning!
Hi, Loungeplayer.
No, I'm not saying that at all, and I'm not asking if a grail exists. I'm asking if one did exist what dollar value would you put on it?
Cheers.
Quote from: spining7 on January 03, 2010, 07:55:39 AM
I say my own mind is my own holy grail. My mind is worth more to me than a winning bet. Because it creates everything great that I have and continue to create in my life. We have to look at the "source" of the outcome. Not the other way around. Someone created their wealth. Then they passed it along. Yes I am aragent. I thought this thinking was normal. But come to find out that the magorety are stupid. So I don't give a f**k anymore. I am normal. And the rest.....well everybody gets what they desurve.
Question says "roulette holy grail"... not "philosophical outlook on life holy grail". :D
Quote from: No More Bets on January 03, 2010, 02:15:54 PM
Sadly not. Bombus has nothing but gas.
Pull my finger... :spiteful:
Quote from: bombus on January 03, 2010, 07:18:27 AM
how much do you think a grail is worth...dollar figure?
Theoretically, a 'holy grail' should be able to produce money anytime, anywhere. The more time you spend playing the more you will mechanically win and there is nothing to stop you. In this sense, I would say it's priceless.
In reality though, we know it's not that simple. The casinos are self-protective businesses, not charities. You would have to make real efforts if you want to stay under the radar and yet manage to make significant amounts, over and over again. This would need a fair amount of discipline, skill and careful management, something not every average person might have. One could still go for the big hits though, but ruin a life-time opportunity by getting him/herself barred from every casino/casino-chain he/she visits.
In this sense I would say it would be worth 1 million, or as you said, 500,000 per year, or a similar amount depending on the edge it yields.
If you want my real subjective opinion though, I personally don't believe there is such a thing as the 'holy grail'. Mind you, I don't like that term. To me it embodies gambler superstition. Still I know this is hypothetical, so if I had a 'holy grail' I personally wouldn't sell it for money, not just because I wouldn't need it by then (obviously), but also because I would be starting to think of making the most out of this holy grail on a greater scale, the motives being something greater than just inflating my bank account with amounts far beyond my need. I would carefully hand-pick a few persons in whose capabilities and humanity I trust, in exchange for them helping me to use it for a greater good (once they secure themselves financially).
Speculations..wait a second..thats why gasoline skyrocket in price...I'm going to say a grail is worth $39.95 including a free potato peeler with a moneyback guarantee...U want to keep it a secret right?
IMO Casinos love players that think they have the "Holy Grail" because they know they are going to spend a lot of money trying to prove it. Truth is, along with the mathmatical house edge, there are so many variables being manipulated that are not readily seen by the bettor, one would wonder why play there unless he/she was absolutely sure--if it even took an insider to investigate-that the games are fair. At least slot machines are required to have a set payout percentage. Roulette isn't regulated!
I do think a holy grail exists, but it takes self discipline, an in-depth knowledge of roulette--as well as much study of the particular casino and how it operates. In the olden days, that type of snooping could lead to big trouble.
I say, Ol' Bean, I could use a good potato peeler!
Quote from: poxet pool on January 03, 2010, 10:57:36 PM
Speculations..wait a second..thats why gasoline skyrocket in price...I'm going to say a grail is worth $39.95 including a free potato peeler with a moneyback guarantee...U want to keep it a secret right?
Thanks PP.
If and when I do come up with a grail I'll be sure and call it, "The Potato Peeler". ;D
I personally think that price and profit is relative. What hardly gets mentioned in the same sentence as "Holy Grail" is "Work". Specifically hard, HARD work. Doctors make good money because they have gone to school for years, and get paid better with more experience. Professional Athletes have spent most of their childhoods practicing the games they love, and in the end they are paid for their time. Now granted there are people who are quite talentless, who are also multi-millionaires who have done little to deserve their wealth (I'm sure there are a few celebrities which come to mind). However the roulette holy grail search seems to be more like the quest to become a Hilton than to become a Warren Buffet. I think it should be the other way around.
Suppose I have a suitcase full of $500,000.00 USD and I have misplaced this suitcase full of money in the most unlikely of places. The summit of Mt. Everest. Seeing as I am not worried about the money I have decided not to bother with retrieving it. Now this creates a very interesting set of circumstances and will produce a very wide range of outcomes. 100% of the people who read about this money will think about getting it. Of those, 50% will regard it as too good to be true and move on. 30% will realize after a bit of thought that it is likely way too much hassle for an unlikely possibility of wealth. 15% will look into it and realize that they aren't skilled enough or experienced enough to be ready for a climb to the summit in time to reach the money. Of the 5% that do end up following through only the harder working one or most cunning will reach the case first, thus earning all the wealth for himself. Sure you could hire a stranger to pick it up for you next week while he will be at the summit, but you'd still have to invest enough to keep him from ripping you off. And even then it is still a huge gamble.
The point is this, even if there was a suitcase full of money at the summit, the majority of people wouldn't even look for it. However if I said there was a half million sitting your mailbox, the story would be very different. My question is why should a persons expectation of making money in the roulette/casino world be any different than the perceptions of making money in the real world. I could have a holy grail to attach a price tag to but, I have a feeling that even if it was a good deal, I'd still get calls about it not being an easy sure thing or downright impossible. Mind you, I'm pretty sure it's downright impossible for me to play in the NBA All-Star game (Or become league MVP twice), but that doesn't mean it is impossible for other tall, skinny white guys...
Good post D_J.
You are right, and what you say reminds me of a favourite adage of mine, which I contemplate before each casino visit...
"The easiest money is the hardest to get"
;D
Let THAT be a lesson to all of ya!
:blink:That discusting! I'm never coming back here again eveerr! I'm quiting betting and going to go become a farmer and live off the land.
uuuuuuuuuullll! I wish there could be some way of forgeting that picture. Dave, where's your avatar when I need it?
OK, it's gone...............
Quote from: shadownumber on January 05, 2010, 04:48:21 PM
:blink:That discusting! I'm never coming back here again eveerr! I'm quiting betting and going to go become a farmer and live off the land.
uuuuuuuuuullll! I wish there could be some way of forgeting that picture. Dave, where's your avatar when I need it?
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OK, the photo of my head is gone. My brain didn't really blow up; I had a cancer. Once it was very small and could have been removed with a much smaller hole. I neglected it and it grew. It could have/may kill me. I was going to post the truth and advise people to be aware of these things.
Sorry............
Sam
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shadow
OK, the photo of my head is gone. My brain didn't really blow up; I had a cancer. Once it was very small and could have been removed with a much smaller hole. I neglected it and it grew. It could have/may kill me. I was going to post the truth and advise people to be aware of these things.
Sorry. . . . . . . . . . . .
Sam
How did your two cat's react to that?
I had an epiphany some time ago. I said to myself "shadownumber, roulette is a vary simple game. The results and randomness are produced by a wheel. And those results fall on a layout. How do they fall on the layout? The layout is not where randomness comes from. The wheel produces the numbers. The layout design is simple and never changes. There are variations of wheel layouts,but they all share the same table layout. The table layout is where the bets are placed. If I wanted to beat this simple game, why, I think I will just study it's actions. " Roulette results happen clearly for all to see.