I'm not joking around so lets calmy discuss this. If someone mastered hypnoisis, is it possible to put the dealer in a mild trance? Say like...pay you extra chips or put the marker on the wrong number (your number) etc.
Lets say I put a black chip on the winning number after the ball stops. Dealer says, "no way mister, thats cheating"! I calmy look into his eyes for a few seconds and all of a sudden, he says, "hey, nice hit, check 35 black". Think of the possibilities. Any polite thoughts on this? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on January 24, 2010, 10:22:56 PM
I'm not joking around so lets calmy discuss this. If someone mastered hypnoisis, is it possible to put the dealer in a mild trance? Say like...pay you extra chips or put the marker on the wrong number (your number) etc.
Lets say I put a black chip on the winning number after the ball stops. Dealer says, "no way mister, thats cheating"! I calmy look into his eyes for a few seconds and all of a sudden, he says, "hey, nice hit, check 35 black". Think of the possibilities. Any polite thoughts on this? Ken
Only if that person is already highly-suggestible, and deeply-down wants the players to win. (We tend to see what we want to, especially when under some sort of stress/trauma.)
Over longer periods of conditioning (an other person), the idea is to re-inforce those innate tendencies already w/i the person... to "amplify" those rather than try to move those past some mean to those types/degrees of tendencies not alrealdy present.
But everyone is prone to distractions... and that's all about timing.
It's not impossible for some dealers, but if you wanted to manipulate the dealer or CHEAT, there are plenty of more practical ways to do it. Like have a chip under your sleeve. Have your arms on the table with another chip in your palm/hand. When the ball lands, you know the color. Then reach forward to place a bet on the inside. It will be rejected as it was too late, but from under your arm you will have slid the other chip onto a color.
Will this work in all casinos? Nah. It's old and a lot of casinos now track actual chip movement. Besides the penalties for doing it are serious. It's not like mere computer predicting. This is pure cheating.
I'm not sure how hypnosis would be from a legal view. Realistically though, possible or not I just dont think it would be practical even for dealers that were more susceptible to suggestions.
Quote from: Steve GW on January 24, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
Realistically though, possible or not I just dont think it would be practical even for dealers that were more susceptible to suggestions.
The well-known mentalists and hypnotists are not allowed to play the casino-games.
The "Amazing Kreskin" for one, in his day.
I've heard of magicians being banned from card games, but never from games like roulette.
Quote from: Mr J on January 24, 2010, 10:22:56 PM
is it possible to put the dealer in a mild trance?
........... what are you, nuts? no, it's not.
I think the dealer is a little too busy to get hypnotised. hypnosis is bs anyway.
Hypnosis is not nuts. It is simply nothing more than altering the state of mind to make people more susceptible to suggestions. Please do your research on what it is. Dont be swayed by the rubbish stage hypnotists on TV. But yes I dont believe it would be possible at a table - way too much going on. For it to be possible the dealer would need to be as weak as jelly, with nobody else paying attention.
you have to be real willing to get hypnotized and even then it doesn't work, not for me anyway. I TRIED to get hypnotized, so I know a little about it.
hypnotism isnt necessarily completely unconscious. In almost all cases, the person is 100% aware of the suggestions made to them. almost all hypnotism is where you lay down, relax, and open your mind to suggestions. very very few people are susceptible to the point where they can be full hypnotized to do something like leap of a cliff.
Quote from: simon on January 25, 2010, 12:48:37 AM
you have to be real willing to get hypnotized and even then it doesn't work, not for me anyway. I TRIED to get hypnotized, so I know a little about it.
Even having the masses make a comment like that... is hypnotism, creating a (extreme) mind-set?
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1515&forum=General_Discussion (nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1515&forum=General_Discussion)
I must say Ken, how many more chances is an "arse" like yourself allowed? You posed a straight-forward question, and some of us gave straight-forward replies... for the benefit of ourselves, and the others. Who did you make a fool of, with that post in the GG, really? Are you that special? Is this the only way you have of trying to look the winner? Getting the clowns at the GG to "pee up against it" to mark it for you? (Get a load of Ken's dialog in that thread, what an "arse"!)
Funny thing is, when you get a reply that really "ups" your other "pull the rug out" posts... you suddenly "turn it off", pretending to ignore it all then.
Yes, when Steve or someone else "bans" you again, then you'll be off to some other board to bore some more people there with it your "sob stories" everywhere else... to try again (to win something).
GETTING BORING.
P.S. Dealers make errors all the time, even the hardest-core ones... wouldn't it be nice to know why, just in case it mattered?
"then you'll be off to some other board to bore some more people there with it your" >>> #1 If you dont like it, dont reply. #2 That thread is out in the OPEN at GG, hardly hidden. "Is this the only way you have of trying to look the winner?" >>> I make more than you do, sleep on that coolbreeze. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on January 26, 2010, 12:59:37 AM
"then you'll be off to some other board to bore some more people there with it your" >>> #1 If you dont like it, dont reply. #2 That thread is out in the OPEN at GG, hardly hidden. "Is this the only way you have of trying to look the winner?" >>> I make more than you do, sleep on that coolbreeze. Ken
Ken,
My, how your demeanor has changed over night.
Not so out in the open as just posting a link with it, such as this, nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1264377398/s-0/ (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1264377398/s-0/) ... but you apparently had no intention of replying to this thread here anyway, right? (Notice the "wagons beginning to circle" over there, as some fairly-accurate adjectives become Anagram's next target. That's the thing about, dare I say it, the scammers... how can they discredit the obvious "nuts" when they're all using similar methods? Everyone is "chummy" again. Lol.)
"If you don't like it... ." Who said I don't "enjoy" all of these posts/replies? Maybe you're the one with the problems?
"I make more than you... ." I already posted my first university degree over at the GG, in the thread, nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=992&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board (nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=992&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board) . And in this thread, nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1003&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board (nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1003&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board) , I afforded johno another opportunity to redeem himself in any way... other than the same old neurotic claims of glory.
Perhaps you can do no better?
P.S. Is there no message-board you aren't constanly on? What's up with that?
Hang on coolbreeze, you're up next. I'm eating right now. Ken
Quote from: Mr J link=topic=14153. msg93823#msg93823 date=1264382576
I'm not joking around so lets calmy discuss this. If someone mastered hypnoisis, is it possible to put the dealer in a mild trance? Say like. . . pay you extra chips or put the marker on the wrong number (your number) etc.
Lets say I put a black chip on the winning number after the ball stops. Dealer says, "no way mister, thats cheating"! I calmy look into his eyes for a few seconds and all of a sudden, he says, "hey, nice hit, check 35 black". Think of the possibilities. Any polite thoughts on this? Ken
Sadly hypnosis dos'nt work that way! ALL HYPNOSIS IS SELF HYPNOSIS! the hypnotist doing a stage hypnosis show needs the permission of the audience members that take part in the show (usually the easily suggestable people are picked before the show starts) because you CAN NOT HYPNOTIZE A PERSON TO DO SOMETHING AGAIST THEIR WILL!
Now take a hypnotherapist for example, If he/she had a client that wanted to give up smoking and the hypnotherapist suggested to the client that he/she instead of lighting a fag and putting it to thier mouth, instead lit it and put it in thier eye( lit side first), do you think the hypnothearipsts suggestion would have much power of the sub-conscious mind? NO, because it would most defently be agaist the sub-conscious minds inbuilt protection system. (the same system that makes you instantly without thinking put your hands over your head if some shouts "WATCH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!"
I've had hypnotherapy to give up smoking,and the guy had a 95% success rate, I quit (1 session)after 13 years solid smoking,BUT, had I not been ready to quit, no suggestion would of worked! and I proved this because as I so thrilled at the results,I told my best mate at the time who had only smoked for 5 years and he booked up, now he said he wanted to quit(consciosly that is) but sub-sconsciously was not ready and went to have the treatment but it never worked! the hypnotherapist charged £250 backed up by unlimted free follow up sessions if the first was uncusessful, anyway, he went back 3 times and gave up on given up,and still smokes to this day.
So simply put: For hypnosis to work, the persons sub-conscious mind thats being hypnotized needs accept the suggestion given to it to be able act on it,hence what I said earlier. . . ALL HYPNOSIS IS SELF HYPNOSIS!
You cannot suggest to anyone "do this" or "do that" agaist their will otherwise all a really really good hypnothearpist would have to say is "go rob me a bank and bring all the money back and then when I click my fingers you will not remember a thing that you did today" And from experience. . there is no trance in hypnosis like the old cartoons with the black n white swirling eyes had you believe, the whole process feels like sitting with your eyes closed. . yes that's it!
But saying that,one thing that would influence a croupier is N. L. P (Neuro-linguistic programming ) Persuasion Techniques,which is basicly using covert language patterns, and would only work if 1)You spent the years doing the very hard work learning to use covert language patterns. 2) the croupier was highly suggestible. 3) The croupier had been a croupier long enough that he's able to sub-consciously hit sectors of its choosing. (afterall a top tennis player hits the ball subconsiously becuase the conscious mind dos'nt have enough time to process all the information to actually 'see the ball' )
@GARNabby >>"as some fairly-accurate adjectives become Anagram's next target" >> This I have no idea what you're talking about. Second, the reason for so many links is what? You posting a link to a thread at RF..ok, so what? Is there a question with this soup or do I also get crackers?
"Is there no message-board you aren't constanly on?" >>> Constantly means what? I'm on 5.5 boards, in terms of roulette. Is that bad, are you pissed at me? As far as NETTING more than you (roulette) there's no question about it, not even close, sorry. Should I brag? Probably not a good choice, my fault. Ken
Thank you Manaman for your reply, very cool. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on January 28, 2010, 03:29:32 PM
@GARNabby >>"as some fairly-accurate adjectives become Anagram's next target" >> This I have no idea what you're talking about. Second, the reason for so many links is what? You posting a link to a thread at RF..ok, so what? Is there a question with this soup or do I also get crackers?
"Is there no message-board you aren't constanly on?" >>> Constantly means what? I'm on 5.5 boards, in terms of roulette. Is that bad, are you pissed at me? As far as NETTING more than you (roulette) there's no question about it, not even close, sorry. Should I brag? Probably not a good choice, my fault. Ken
Hey little "j" (for "johno"),
Wow, I guess that "you're up next" left me really "shaking in my boots".
And hanging on your every word waiting for you to tell us all also when you're "taking a cr*p". Lol.
"Hey little "j" (for "johno")" >>> I dont know what that means. If you have an issue with him, talk to him. For all you mods/Steve...I dont want to hear about "Ken the trouble maker". This guy keeps on going (no warning) so I ASSUME the rules are for all? Its a SHAME I have to NOW include disclaimers for posters attacking me. Ken
Quote from: manaman on January 28, 2010, 03:17:22 PM
Sadly hypnosis dos'nt work that way! ALL HYPNOSIS IS SELF HYPNOSIS! the hypnotist doing a stage hypnosis show needs the permission of the audience members that take part in the show (usually the easily suggestable people are picked before the show starts) because you CAN NOT HYPNOTIZE A PERSON TO DO SOMETHING AGAIST THEIR WILL!
Now take a hypnotherapist for example, If he/she had a client that wanted to give up smoking and the hypnotherapist suggested to the client that he/she instead of lighting a fag and putting it to thier mouth, instead lit it and put it in thier eye( lit side first), do you think the hypnothearipsts suggestion would have much power of the sub-conscious mind? NO, because it would most defently be agaist the sub-conscious minds inbuilt protection system. (the same system that makes you instantly without thinking put your hands over your head if some shouts "WATCH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!"
I've had hypnotherapy to give up smoking,and the guy had a 95% success rate, I quit (1 session)after 13 years solid smoking,BUT, had I not been ready to quit, no suggestion would of worked! and I proved this because as I so thrilled at the results,I told my best mate at the time who had only smoked for 5 years and he booked up, now he said he wanted to quit(consciosly that is) but sub-sconsciously was not ready and went to have the treatment but it never worked! the hypnotherapist charged £250 backed up by unlimted free follow up sessions if the first was uncusessful, anyway, he went back 3 times and gave up on given up,and still smokes to this day.
So simply put: For hypnosis to work, the persons sub-conscious mind thats being hypnotized needs accept the suggestion given to it to be able act on it,hence what I said earlier. . . ALL HYPNOSIS IS SELF HYPNOSIS!
You cannot suggest to anyone "do this" or "do that" agaist their will otherwise all a really really good hypnothearpist would have to say is "go rob me a bank and bring all the money back and then when I click my fingers you will not remember a thing that you did today" And from experience. . there is no trance in hypnosis like the old cartoons with the black n white swirling eyes had you believe, the whole process feels like sitting with your eyes closed. . yes that's it!
But saying that,one thing that would influence a croupier is N. L. P (Neuro-linguistic programming ) Persuasion Techniques,which is basicly using covert language patterns, and would only work if 1)You spent the years doing the very hard work learning to use covert language patterns. 2) the croupier was highly suggestible. 3) The croupier had been a croupier long enough that he's able to sub-consciously hit sectors of its choosing. (afterall a top tennis player hits the ball subconsiously becuase the conscious mind dos'nt have enough time to process all the information to actually 'see the ball' )
manaman,
Seriously, I think the only person here still open to the option of hypnosis in such a simplistic sense, ironically is j.
But don't tell eg, a farmer, it's not possible to give a 2 tonne bull some sort of shot, or to load it up on a truck w/o having a vet tranquilize it first (with a gun). Unless you've seen what some of them can get their animals to do, animals which could crush/bite them to death in seconds, maybe you have no idea what the mind is capable of.
@GARNabby >> I just now noticed your "thread" at JPs site. lol How's the workin out for ya? The lengths that people go to. :punish: Ken
Quote from: Mr J on January 30, 2010, 10:12:49 PM
@GARNabby >> I just now noticed your "thread" at JPs site. lol How's the workin out for ya? The lengths that people go to. :punish: Ken
Talking to yourself again Ken? (Where those who are "hurting only themselves, and loving it" end up?)
Hey, that little icon looks a lot like the big (avatar) one.
Ken,
He , Garnabby , " ain`t misbehabin" at JP. :nono: JP has just read the riot act again . :ok: :diablo:
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on January 31, 2010, 12:21:09 PM
Ken,
He , Garnabby , " ain`t misbehabin" at JP. :nono: JP has just read the riot act again . :ok: :diablo:
True, so far none of my submissions has been rejected by Patrick (or his editor)... i guess he's a better man than Ellis over at nolinks.beatthecasino.com (nolinks://nolinks.beatthecasino.com) .
Carnabby ,
J. Patrick`s board is NOT for debating other methods. His board is just for the purpose to discuss his methods which he has laid out in his previous books.
One can discuss off shots of those methods but not new systems . He has written 16 books produced DVD `s
but as time moves on new questions are beginning to emerge.
For instance I am very strong at Video Poker. He has written an outstanding book on that subject. Two years ago on his website he made a personal post beamed me to stay away from videopoker knowing very well how much I liked it and we had many constructive discussions in regard to VP on his board.
Recently we have been discussing his 22 action numbers and considered it a good idea to add BLACK as well if it looks promising.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
"His board is just for the purpose to discuss his methods" >>> Sounds like another board I know. :sarcastic:
Ken ,
The difference being that JP`s board was created just for the purpose as I have stated above and for that purpose alone. Therefore it is definetely different from other boards when someone just out of the blue decides only his opinion and evolving discussions are acceptable.
GG can be full of traps too since there is no policy as to why a moderator may or may not edit/ delete a post. Is it the foul language or is it CONTRARY to the opinion of the little Hitlers , the moderators?
This means walking on thin ice.
Nathan Detroit.
I agree Nate, just givin you s**t. I would never last at JPs board. Ken
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on January 31, 2010, 01:19:33 PMJ. Patrick`s board is NOT for debating other methods. His board is just for the purpose to discuss his methods which he has laid out in his previous books.
Nathan,
That's okay... he (first) refused my last post there this morning, a reply to RK's leaving there. ( nolinks://roncen.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=4467323 (nolinks://roncen.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=4467323) .) I guess this is where the line lays with him.
BTW, many successes to you with those machines you've taken up!
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""Self deception is the sickness in casino games. It lives here on this board. The dellusions fostered here are on going and will never end." (RK)
Yes, and also on all the other gambling/gaming message-boards, even the so-called serious ones "backed" by the Wizard of Odds and the bj-PhD's... which still end up owned and operated by some pretty slimy persons, and inhabited by alas, the same old guard (of the deluded).
And in anyone who thinks he/she can and will change that. The deluded can't quite speak out against the blatant scammers (asking for business) because the same sorts of simple-minded ploys have already been rolling around in also their heads long before ever finding these boards. Sure, they know that "all gamblers are compulsive liars", but quick as assuring us of that... go on to shun, in one way or another, anyone demanding any sort of proof of any of the statements/claims made, while often providing obvious and clear proof/evidence to the contrary. (Even "circling the wagons" to accuse the persons trying to help of being the trouble-makers. When the old saying actually goes (, w/o reference to "just ignore him"), "Help me change what I can, and accept (to well live with) what I can't". Or the old cult-reinforcement of, "It's me or them... and they're no good, just look at all the problems with the out-side world".)
No one with any sort of experience/education/investment-capability demonstrates any more than a passing interest in these boards. Which does leave the abjectly-lonely, mentally-ill, and the desperate, pay-cheque gamblers... and the Patrick's, of course.
And though all this is a good means of "spurring one's self on", as there are a few good persons who can find each other doing the same things, at least for a while, I'm forced to agree with RK... to do the old "hit and run", myself, with what I have helped others help myself learn over the past year or so."
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