This system I am about to reveal uses various info from the original Grandpa Way thread. There were a lot of people who bashed this guy about his system because most of it is unclear. I have created strict rules and methodology. This system is very profitable, easy to use, and really bordering on the Holy Grail status. I now give you Grandpa-Keel....
We shall start by tracking numbers. The first number comes out. We look at the street that this number is on. We look at the streets on either side. So we have a group of 3 streets we are zoning in on. NOTE: If a number falls on the very first street or the very last street, we will zone in on just the first 3 streets or the last 3 streets respectively.
We are looking for the very next number to fall onto one of our three streets. If this does not happen, keep tracking. You will follow the previous spun number in the same manner until you get a virtual win. As soon as you get that virtual win, you will begin betting for real: 1 unit on the 3 respective streets. If you win, keep following the previous spun number and keep betting 1 unit per street. If you lose, keep following the previous spun number for 2 more times. After you lose 3 in a row, you go back to tracking virtual.
You do not need pen and paper for this. You can see everything before you. Just pay attention and you got it. If you have a little trouble understanding how to track, just go back to the original Grandpa way thread. But I just explained it perfectly. I will now explain the method of play I devised.
We start our play by tracking numbers. When we get our virtual win, we begin betting. We will employ a progression strategy. The progression strategy is as follows: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6 and so on....... per the 3 streets. Remember to play until 3 losses in a row then go back to virtual betting. When you get your virtual win, you continue where your progression left off. Continue with this methodology until you get a real win. If your balance at this time is at a new high point, drop back to the beginning of your progression. If you are still down, drop down one level---onto the first instance of the number. For example: if you get a win on the second 5, drop to the first 4 on the progression and continue until your balance reaches a new high point. Again, no tracking is needed. You just remember where you left off and your balance.
You see, you go up and down along the progression line. A cluster of wins and losses are inevitable. Since we bet virtual after 3 losses in a row, we wait out a lot of the losses. We scoop up clusters of wins. I would like to show a small example to be clear.
Here are numbers coming in:
23
21 Virtual W. Now start: 1 unit on 16, 19, 22 streets
16 W. Now bet 1 unit on 13, 16, 19 streets
2 L. Now bet 1 unit on 1, 4, 7 streets
16 L. Now bet 2 units on 13, 16, 19 streets
12 L. Now go Virtual
11 Virtual W. Now continue: 2 units on 7, 10, 13 streets
1 L. Now bet 3 units on 1, 4, 7 streets
8 W. Balance at new high restart: 1 unit on 4, 7, 10 streets
21 L. Now bet 1 unit on 16, 19, 22 streets
4 L. Now bet 2 units on 1, 4, 7 streets
5 W. New high point. Bet 1 unit on 1, 4, 7 streets
26 L. Now bet 1 unit on 22, 25, 28 streets
00 L. The zero counts as loss. 2 units now on 22, 25, 28 streets
6 L. Virtual Time
18 Virtual L
2 Virtual L
1 Virtual W. Now Continue: 2 units on 1, 4, 7 streets
0 L. Bet 3 units on the same 1, 4, 7 streets
29 L. Bet 3 units on 25, 28, 31 streets
26 W. New High
That was a real example from online casino. It ended with 30 profit. I have played this plenty. Once in a while it can be a grind, but a cluster of wins are coming. We will scoop them up and make profits. I feel this is holy grail territory. More discussion is welcome.
I suggest a $300 bankroll. If you lose this----which I have not-----start again with new $300 you should be well in profits.
use some pictures man
Let us see if this is more clear: Let's say that number 9 comes out first. We look at these 3 streets for our next result
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Now number 19 comes out next. That would be a virtual Loss. We look at this for our next result
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Number 35 shows next. Another virtual loss. Here is what we look at for our next result
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Number 27 now shows. Another virtual loss. We now look at these 3 streets for our next result.
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You see now. We keep following in this way until we get a virtual win. When we do, we starting betting according to my rules in the first post. We always track numbers visually. No need for pen and paper. The betting rules are easy to understand once we get the tracking rules out of the way. I hope this helps.
Hi keel44
Thanks for your post, just tried your method on 35 real numbers. I know this is a small sample, but am already -65 units down and up to 5 unit progression.
What has been the highest (unit number) progression you have reached in your experience with this method? as you said, you have never lost a $300 b/r. I take it you were playing $1, 1 unit stakes.
Cheers Rocky
Very nice explanation.
Gramps.
Quote from: Rocky on February 20, 2010, 05:09:47 AM
Hi keel44
Thanks for your post, just tried your method on 35 real numbers. I know this is a small sample, but am already -65 units down and up to 5 unit progression.
What has been the highest (unit number) progression you have reached in your experience with this method? as you said, you have never lost a $300 b/r. I take it you were playing $1, 1 unit stakes.
Cheers Rocky
Had similar results.. don't really understand this system
Quote from: Rebirtha on February 20, 2010, 03:23:05 PM
Had similar results.. don't really understand this system
It's not rocket science, and it's been explained in a very clear way on the original thread nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-grandpaaa-way/75/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-grandpaaa-way/75/) (reply #86)
It's about as close to the holy grail as waaaahome is as close to being sane.
Quote from: manaman on February 20, 2010, 04:22:30 PM
It's not rocket science, and it's been explained in a very clear way on the original thread nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-grandpaaa-way/75/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-grandpaaa-way/75/) (reply #86)
No I understand how to play this system.. I don't understand why people think it works.
how many spins did you test? you think you will run through 100 spins and say something sucks? you think you will deposit 1000 and go home with 10000 every day?How about money management? Stop loss stop win? Nobady has ever asked about it?
Last nights run $3150.00
Well explained !
I'm studying this system and I flat bet the 3 streets to catch the DD, D/D, D//D, and D///D.
I stop at +20 or -20.
My results aren't very good, I just managed to break even.
What do you think of my settings (stop loss, stop win, flat betting, . . . ) waaahome ??
I've made an excel tracker, you can download spins from wiesbaden (thx Arte) and track the numbers according waaahome's rules.
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If you find bugs on the tracker, please repport them !
Beo
Quote from: Rebirtha on February 20, 2010, 06:26:50 PM
No I understand how to play this system.. I don't understand why people think it works.
Ahhh I see, I agree 100% with you... its a losing piece of poop and waaaaaahome can only pluck figures out of the air with no back up...also when put to the test in his own thread he used hindsight to tell you how the system wins.
Any system can be made to win if you study past numbers to test agaist.... oh look here was D8 D7 D9 D10 D8 ...I would have started betting here at the first D :laugh:
Quote from: manaman on February 20, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
Ahhh I see, I agree 100% with you... its a losing piece of poop and waaaaaahome can only pluck figures out of the air with no back up...also when put to the test in his own thread he used hindsight to tell you how the system wins.
Any system can be made to win if you study past numbers to test agaist.... oh look here was D8 D7 D9 D10 D8 ...I would have started betting here at the first D :laugh:
Why don't you just shut up with your negative comments. You have not testesd anything. Why don't someone take this losser out of here?
Im done here. No more posts from me. No explaining.
This is a great explanation.
Thats all you get from and becouse off lossers like this cloun manamam i'm out.
And if the moderators and mr steve get tell him to shut up then this is not worth my time.
Their are alot more tricks to this but mr smart ass mananan can answer all.
I gave this a honest go with 101 spins that can be found on this forum, ending up -17 units because of 12 losses in a row! nothing like a holy grail... check the attached for details. I was thinking of testing it 100000 like waahome said you should, but I wouldn't sit at a table for that long! even at 100 spins it would take near 2 hours :yes:
well I can say though with hindsight I would of bet on the just the D's and won around about $3150 :smile:
Your whole point is to proof in your own way that i'm wrong?
Why would i explain this for a whole year. at least try to.
Why would i care for your test?
What do i have to loose. You obviously missed the part about getting use to playing like this. About skipping. About all the other things??????
........ So you are almost even playing for two hours with a MECHANICAL SYSTEM?
Didint i hear mechanical systems don't work. So this is pretty good yes?
Why do people have to proof anything anyways. Play it and like it or don't play it if you don't.
Mr Steve notice the .....homo part of this fagots attatchment. You have to punished him like you panished me yes?
Per your testing i just looked at them.
This post sais to play up to 3 hits after a D.
I play up to 5. Go back and read my posts.
Now do this calculation up to 5 hits after every D.
Do your calculation with a 105 unit bet.
And tell me the results after you finish calculating.
:girl_wacko:
Hi Gramps...Sorry u have to deal with biased mods and a biased forum owner(spamopolus)..Knowledge sharing from players like u gave me greater options of bets to play with the game i love..Roulette..U have respect of all real players..only real players can see that u invented a street pattern play overlooked since the invention of the wheel..which is much more value added than any gutter or theatric insults that pretty much dominate forum discussions..Ur willingness to share and help.. proves what a genuine person u are.. unlike a spamming system seller and losers looking for someone to blame..Helk if all my runs were like beo's post..i'd be more greedy and stay around the cashino a little bit longer..Pay no attention to Mamogram as u can see he has no skills and have to depend on magic rocks for luck..tell me mamogram did that silver bullet "chi" generator double ur bankroll lately?
Sorry waaahome. This is my thread and my methodology. I gave out strict instructions on how to play this. It is very hard for me to believe that anyone is getting nowhere with this. I wonder if people are playing it right? Someone should give me a set of numbers. Trustworthy, of course, and I can show what the outcome would be. It is so simple once you get the hang of it. Please no garbage on my thread like arguing and getting nasty. ???
Quote from: Rocky on February 20, 2010, 05:09:47 AM
Hi keel44
Thanks for your post, just tried your method on 35 real numbers. I know this is a small sample, but am already -65 units down and up to 5 unit progression.
What has been the highest (unit number) progression you have reached in your experience with this method? as you said, you have never lost a $300 b/r. I take it you were playing $1, 1 unit stakes.
Cheers Rocky
I have went up to betting 12 dollars on each street once, but my balance was already at a new high point. I made a really profitable win!
You see, you don't have to reset back to the beginning, if you want to be more aggressive. The most drawdown I ever had was about 200 units. Please understand I have played this lots, but not THOUSANDS of times.
If anyone has a set of numbers, I'll show whats what.
Quote from: poxet pool on February 21, 2010, 01:29:25 AM
Hi Gramps...Sorry u have to deal with biased mods
Oh really? I would consider myself pretty open minded and I am perfectly willing to accept everyones opinions witout passing judgment. So when you say bias, what is it in reference to?
Quote from: manaman on February 20, 2010, 10:00:36 PM
I gave this a honest go with 101 spins that can be found on this forum, ending up -17 units because of 12 losses in a row! nothing like a holy grail... check the attached for details. I was thinking of testing it 100000 like waahome said you should, but I wouldn't sit at a table for that long! even at 100 spins it would take near 2 hours :yes:
well I can say though with hindsight I would of bet on the just the D's and won around about $3150 :smile:
I had a look at your spreadsheet. First of all, you don't need to track in that way. Second of all, I don't believe you used my progression correctly. Most important of all, You do indeed lose 12 in a row, but
your in the middle of a run.A run ends when your balance reaches a new high point, or your drawdown is 300. That of course is optional. You could grind it out until 500 drawdown
Your example shows good profit until you lose 12 in a row. You could go for about 6 more losses in a row before 300 unit drawdown.
Level 1 betting: 1, 1, 2 per street = 12 units
Level 2 betting: 2, 3, 3 per street = 24 units
Level 3 betting: 4, 4, 5 per street = 39 units
Level 4 betting: 5, 6, 6 per street = 51 units
Level 5 betting: 7, 7, 8 per street = 66 units
Level 6 betting: 8, 9, 9 per street = 78 units
Grand total: 270 units LOST if you lose 18 bets in a row.
Of course, if you get a win in one of the later levels, you need a couple more wins to reach a new high point. note: (don't forget to drop one numerical level after a win. example: if you lose with 6 per street, drop to 5, 5, 6) But that buys you more time to catch a cluster of wins. You don't need the wins to be all in a row either. Just a stretch of 5 out of 12 need to be wins or 3 out of 7. You get the picture.
You see, you go up and down the different betting levels. You may reset back to level 1 after your balance reaches a new high point or you can be aggressive and drop back only one level and continue from there.
I was playing aggressively before and I kept going along.....never resetting back to level one, and I was winning with 12 dollars per street....... drop back to 11 per street......... lose a couple........ then win again at 12 dollars per street. BIG PROFITS !
The choice is yours.
Quote from: keel44 on February 21, 2010, 04:55:56 AM
Level 1 betting: 1, 1, 2 per street = 12 units
Level 2 betting: 2, 3, 3 per street = 24 units
Level 3 betting: 4, 4, 5 per street = 39 units
Level 4 betting: 5, 6, 6 per street = 51 units
Level 5 betting: 7, 7, 8 per street = 66 units
Level 6 betting: 8, 9, 9 per street = 78 units
Grand total: 270 units LOST if you lose 18 bets in a row.
Unless I'm missing something fundamental about this, this progression doesn't make sense. Once you reach 'level 3' and start betting 5 units per street you will win a total of 60 units but have spent 75 and keeps getting worse.. can you explain this and I'll give it another shot..Seems like you are taking the loss and then betting from the middle of the progression.. just my opinion but it would seem better to play virtually until you have 8 or so unhit progressions and then start a progression that doesn't end in a loss.
Quote from: keel44 on February 21, 2010, 03:30:26 AMSomeone should give me a set of numbers. Trustworthy, of course, and I can show what the outcome would be
Hi Keel, heres some genuine numbers for you...
25
17
12
26
3
19
13
12
7
28
31
22
33
30
21
14
30
32
3
3
18
22
2
20
29
34
17
21
15
4
6
14
17
17
33
3
24
18
20
4
36
19
9
7
15
28
18
24
19
5
19
25
24
6
28
14
18
12
26
21
Cheers
TC
Quote from: Rebirtha on February 21, 2010, 06:34:45 AM
Unless I'm missing something fundamental about this, this progression doesn't make sense. Once you reach 'level 3' and start betting 5 units per street you will win a total of 60 units but have spent 75 and keeps getting worse.. can you explain this and I'll give it another shot..Seems like you are taking the loss and then betting from the middle of the progression.. just my opinion but it would seem better to play virtually until you have 8 or so unhit progressions and then start a progression that doesn't end in a loss.
If you get a hit when betting 5 per street, you drop down to betting 4 per street. Start from that point until you get another hit. Maybe at that time your balance will reach a new high point. Keep dropping down one after win until new high point, then start over.....run completed.
The wins and losses come in waves. We aim to scoop up clusters of wins and bet virtual on long streaks of losses.
Quote from: topcat888 on February 21, 2010, 09:20:11 AM
Hi Keel, heres some genuine numbers for you...
25
17
12
26
3
19
13
12
7
28
31
22
33
30
21
14
30
32
3
3
18
22
2
20
29
34
17
21
15
4
6
14
17
17
33
3
24
18
20
4
36
19
9
7
15
28
18
24
19
5
19
25
24
6
28
14
18
12
26
21
Cheers
TC
O.K. I will go over how these numbers play out. I need to assume everybody has the tracking part down.
VW= Virtual wins VL = Virtual loss W = real win L = real loss Let us start with $1000 balance $1 unit size
25
17.....VL
12.....VL
26.....VL
3......VL
19......VL
13.......VL
12.......VW
7.......W.......
28.....L
31.....W......
22.......L
33.......L
30.....W.....
21.....L
14.....L
30.....L
32.....VW
3.....L
3.....W.....
18.....L
22.....L
2......L
20.....VL
29.....VL
34.....VL
17.....VL
21.....VW
15.....L
4.....L
6.....W.....
14.....L
17.....W.....
17.....W.....
33.....L
3.....L
24.....L
18.....VL
20.....VW
4.....L
36.....L
19.....L
9.....VL
7.....VW
15.....L
28.....L
18.....L
24.....VL
19.....VW
5.....L
19.....L
25.....L
24.....VW
6.....L
28.....L
14.....L
18.....VW
12.....L
26.....L
21.....L
We have 18 losses in a row to end. Unfortunately, we ran out of spins. We were up in profit earlier, so you might want to keep chasing one more round. This run ended very bad. I have not seen 18 losses in a row until now. It seems this run has got me.
I will go back and modify the running balance total later. I can see visually that we had some profit earlier on.
:dance1: still going strong. Thanks!