is not to have any system at all. I tried it a couple of times in RX with german spins. Randomly picking single dozen with progression. 5, 10, 15, 20, 25. not looking if a dozen winning or losing. looking only at the bankroll. sometimes repeating, sometimes not. for 20 spins I lost 60 units, in ten spins I broke even and then won 140 units.
try it for fun
dosent work iggiv ive tried it haha :give_rose:
How about adding a trigger, like if your prediction misses two or three times, start betting.
--you could tip the dealer half if he agreed to steer the ball to your dozen :laugh:
he can't make the ball land in certain dozen, Proofy. U know better than me. He can try a certain sector, but not a certain dozen :rtfm:
Quote from: iggiv on March 09, 2010, 07:09:26 PM
he can't make the ball land in certain dozen, Proofy. U know better than me. He can try a certain sector, but not a certain dozen :rtfm:
what about sector dozens, the lure of a nice juicy tip might get the dealer thinking
I have used this a few times and seen good results although i used 5,5,10,15,25,40,65 i used the first bet twice first before starting the Fibonacci Progression and also my trigger is a dozen that hasn't hit for 6 times then i play that dozen. It seems to be quite good and I'd like to have it coded for RX to test it over a longer period.
Most times I stop my testing stops around 200 or so spins at the moment cos I'm lazy lol.
Regards Rick
guess so Jish
@ Rick (easytiger) I have done an rx file for you, can't workout how to upload it though.
Here it is, its fairly small
system "easytiger dozens"
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
set list [5,10,15,25,40,65] to record "prog" data
put 1 to record "prog" data index
end
while on each spin
begin
call "place bets"
call "results"
end
end
method "place bets"
begin
if 1st dozen not hit more 6
begin
put 100% record "prog" data to 1st dozen
end
if 2nd dozen not hit more 6
begin
put 100% record "prog" data to 2nd dozen
end
if 3rd dozen not hit more 6
begin
put 100% record "prog" data to 3rd dozen
end
end
method "results"
begin
if any dozen bet won each or record "prog" data index > 6
begin
put 1 to record "prog" data index
end
if any dozen bet lost each
begin
add 1 to record "prog" data index
end
end
Thank you :) running some tests with it now
Quote from: iggiv on March 09, 2010, 07:09:26 PM
he can't make the ball land in certain dozen, Proofy. U know better than me. He can try a certain sector, but not a certain dozen :rtfm:
Wrong!!! Dealer cant hit or aim certain sector, as he can not hit single number or dozen. All he can do is guess, just like the player and he is wrong or right in the long run exactly the same time as the player. Probabilty is the same for both sides and that is the reason that casino needs the edge, which is created with unfair payment.
The dealer who could hit the certain sector and be right better then math say is myth.Because if dealer with such powers would exist, he would become the casino enemy number one, for very simple reason.He would want to use it for his own greed and he could (with some partners) clean the house in no time.Why he would want to work for small payment if he can get nasty rich?
Saying that method based on wheel layout is better then the one based on layout or vice versa is wrong, because any linear system (all on this board all are like that) will fail in the long run exactly at -2.7% (house edge). All the computer simulations shows that and all that good system can do, is that stop extreme fluctation, which is the ussualy the effect of static beting (waiting for numbers).
The system should be designed always on dynamics of the roulette.
Cheers
Gavioli, i can't argue with u, my personal experience is too limited, man. i only know that many guys here WOULD argue with u. too many experienced players say an experienced dealer IS capable of hitting certain sectors.
someone told here one guy in DB was training another one and showed him how to do it.
That is false, because of the obvious reasons that I already pointed out. Dealer can hit certain sector, dozen, number....but only when he guess it, so in relations with luck, just like the player can predict and be correct many times, until the luck change. Ask any dealer on how many trial his conclusion is made, that he can do it...10, 100, 100000 trials???? If the dealer would make the statistic how many times hit certain sector,that he aim, he would see that his results are no better then the players on a fair wheel of course. Anyone can argue, but can he show unbiased data? Like I said, dealer with that powers would be rich in no time, or he is a complete fool. IF delaer can only hit and be correct every time only for sector of 30 numbers, then his partners could still clean the casino.
Just think, if you would be the owner of the casino. Would you trust dealer like that? The Casinos do fear that dealers like that could exist and that is the reason that dealer cant play in the casino where he works. But still that doesn't mean that they really do exist. You can also simply calculate what physical precision (precision of the computer) would be need it to control all the forces and exact speed and the position of throwing te ball that are need it, for something like that.
i am no in position to argue. but i read not one time. in books and in this forum too. If u tip a dealer u may get certain neighbours u are aiming for.
they say that an experienced skilful dealer has a feeling of muscle memory or something like this. Too many experienced gamblers say this. but some deny like u.
me -- i am not sure of either
Quote from: iggiv on March 10, 2010, 05:09:37 PM
I am no in position to argue. but I read not one time. in books and in this forum too. If u tip a dealer u may get certain neighbours u are aiming for.
they say that an experienced skilful dealer has a feeling of muscle memory or something like this. Too many experienced gamblers say this. but some deny like u.
me -- I am not sure of either
So this super dealers are not smart to make a fortune, with to simply spin the correct sectors to his partners? Casinos dont pay dealers so good. If you want to tip the dealer. go ahed and with constant tiping you will play in even worse conditions. Dealer will of course say that he will try to spin in your favor and when he will actualy guess he say that because of skills and when he will make you lose will simply say that he make a mistake. If something is writen on forum or in books, doesnt mean that is true. The only proof is large enough data to make such claims.
Quote from: superman on March 10, 2010, 06:55:20 AM
@ Rick (easytiger) I have done an rx file for you, can't workout how to upload it though.
Here it is, its fairly small
system "easytiger dozens"
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
set list [5,10,15,25,40,65] to record "prog" data
put 1 to record "prog" data index
end
while on each spin
begin
call "place bets"
call "results"
end
end
method "place bets"
begin
if 1st dozen not hit more 6
begin
put 100% record "prog" data to 1st dozen
end
if 2nd dozen not hit more 6
begin
put 100% record "prog" data to 2nd dozen
end
if 3rd dozen not hit more 6
begin
put 100% record "prog" data to 3rd dozen
end
end
method "results"
begin
if any dozen bet won each or record "prog" data index > 6
begin
put 1 to record "prog" data index
end
if any dozen bet lost each
begin
add 1 to record "prog" data index
end
end
I edited the Progression a little and also the Trigger. Here's the Results for "1MILLION SPINS"
Quote from: iggiv on March 09, 2010, 07:09:26 PM
he can't make the ball land in certain dozen, Proofy. U know better than me. He can try a certain sector, but not a certain dozen :rtfm:
Hi iggiv,
dissagree abit there pal.
I think if the dealer is skilled enought to hit sectors of the wheel with some accuaracy, then I beleieve the dealer can aim for sections of the wheel where there are more or less numbers from a particular dozen/colum.
HIT dozen 2
BEST PLACE FOR THE DEALER TO AIM FOR dozen 2 is a 13---24 numbers......
IS BETWEEN NUMBER 24 ON THE WHEEL CLOCKWISE ROUND 10 POCKETS TO NUMBER 18.
(from the 10 pockets 24...18 there is a 60% chance of hitting a number between 13-24 dozen2)
MISS dozen 2
BEST PLACE FOR THE DEALER TO AIM FOR A MISS 13-24 NUMBER dozen 2, IS BETWEEN NUMBER 29 ON THE WHEEL CLOCKWISE ROUND 9 POCKETS TO NUMBER 32.
(from the 9 pockets there is not a single number from dozen 2 thats a 100% miss if it lands in that quarter of the wheel)
mattjono
are you serious Ive never met a dealer that can even hit 1/2 the wheel on will. ive even asked them to try when i was the only player at the table culd they do it....nope