Hi guys. I am hesitant to post here because of the changes here at VLS. I have however decided to report on the above heading because I think that especially for the system players out there, who want to believe that there are guys playing at casinos making cold hard cash playing only systems, this might be motivation to you.
I took leave from work for the Thursday before Easter and Left that morning 03:00 from my town via road to my destination in the Orange Free State. 12 hours later I arrived in Bloemfontein. Another hour down the road and I arrived at my destination (my wife's grandmothers' farm in Theunissen).
I decided to catch some shut eye but before that I phoned Twocando and asked him if he was up for a meeting at their local casino and if he was up for a session or two of Roulette. He was as pleasant as always on the phone and we agreed on meeting the next day at 12:00 (Friday) at the casino where he plays. 12:00pm simply because the wheels only really open at that time in this specific casino. So the meeting was set.
The next morning I left the farm at 11 and it took me nicely about an hour to get there. I walked into the casino straight to where the roulette wheels were situated. Only two wheels were open. One in the smoking area and one outside the smoking area. I walked up to the wheel in the non-smokers area and as I stopped and looked at the wheel, a gentleman came and stood next to me. We looked at each other, looked around and looked back at each other.
I asked him if he was ***** (Twocando) and he said he was. Now TCD is one helluva nice guy. He had a breast pocket full of laminated plastic cards of roulette wheels and placing mats with all kinds of systems linked to them.
TCD offered me a cup of coffee but because I'm on a forced detox I had to accept "Rooibos" tea (without sugar or milk I might add! Unlike my very boring and almost tasteless "Rooibos" Tea, my host turned out to be a different cup of tea (pardon the pun!) TCD is really a fantastic guy. We shared casino stories and then we shared strategies and methods. After about an hour or so we took on the tables. I played my latest and newest VB method whereas TCD played his systems. We both bought in for 300 bucks each on a R5 table. It wasn't long after that, and we both left with +/- 850 each. Whereas my strategy was to play 3 chips at a time and TCD played combinations of corners and streets etc.
I was truly amazed to see him in action. First of all. I will eat my old leather hat if there is anyone that know the roulette placing layout better than TCD. By that I mean he knows exactly where he is placing his bets regarding the numbers on the wheel and he does it the most effective way and the most economic way and all at absolute lightening speed. (Effective and economic - He uses streets, corners and splits) Remember, anyone can place 20 chips on the layout on streets, corners and splits. BUT every chip he places is placed there because it must be there according to his methods. So he is not a chip scatterer, no he deliberately places every chip exacly where he wants it. I could not believe the way his stacks kept getting bigger and bigger. Honestly.
, the whole time I was there it never even once looked like TCD would loose.
Now I do not know if any of you know this but TCD is a professional roulette player. Yes that means that he only plays roulette for a living and he does that every day. I do not feel that it is my business to tell you what he clears on average. What I can tell you though is that we did one session of about an hour and a half max. He made 500 profit in that time. He plays quite a few sessions a day. You do the math. So what I am telling you guys here is that you can be a professional roulette player without being a AP player.
I saw this with my own eyes. Again something that I hope TCD will not mind me sharing with you. Someone lost 100k in a session at this casino. TCD then took a week to win this guy 50k back. TCD's wife confirmed this. You guys know what this gent then did? When TCD left he went and blew the 50k on roulette trying to get back the other 50k I suppose. Needless to say TCD will not help him again. After all he is taking time away from him to make his own living. And as I saw "time" is money.
Unfortunately I had to get back to my inlaws, so we went to the bar and we had a discussion of the session that we played. TCD's lovely wife joined us (Might I add that she is just as pleasant as TCD). The three of us chatted for another hour and I had my dreary boring "Rooibos" Tea while TCD and his wife each had a delicious cold beer........the condisation drops dripping off the cold beer bottles......Man only another two weeks to go then detox is a thing of the past!
Anyway TCD then invited me in for another session but I really had to go. They walked me to my vehicle we greeted and I left. As I left and looked in the mirror I saw TCD and his wife entering the casino entrance to go and play another session. Sure the casino would of been another 500 down soon!
One more thing I have to mention here. And this I swear to you. The dealer was a black dude. Sotho tribe I'm sure.
While we were playing another black dude started playing at the table only betting the 8 numbers around 20 on the wheel. And he was betting large...really large. In no time he was up to over 8k. I told TCD that the dealer and this player were in cahoots. About 2-3 spins later TCD turned to me and said Jakk.....play 18 neighbors. I said huh!What do you mean play 18 neighbors?
TCD then said the dealer just told the other guy to play 18 neighbors but in Sotho (black language). I did not realize that TCD spoke a bit of Sotho as well! Anyhow we still were a bit sceptic but we both put a chip on 18 and neighbors. Guess what ..... 18 dropped! man I wanted to kick myself! Should of put the house on 18 neighbors! ;D
Anyhow it was clear that the dealer realized that we were onto them. because they stopped there game. The next spin the player placed all his chips on his 8 numbers but it was clear that the dealer wanted no more and 25 was spun..............
You would ask then howcome the dealer does not spin TCD out when he plays if sector shooting was possible.. Well TCD places half his bets after the ball is spun.
Anyhow. Thank you for an absolutely fabulous day TCD. My invitation stands when you are in my area mate. Time for you to come and withdraw from the ATM here in the Cape!
Cheers
Jakk
Thanks for sharing this experience with us :)
I'm a system player, but lately, after all this years looking for a system that can win more than it looses, I was loosing my hope ...
This "story" really incentives me and it was like new fresh air for me!
It just makes me to work harder now, and maybe one day be like Twocando :)
Thanks again for sharing this with us. It was really pleasant to read and very important to me, I think this just come in right time, as I was loosing my hopes ^^
Best regards,
Afonso
Hi Jakk
Thanks for sharing your casino trip with TCD.
Both of you are grate guys .
:thumbsup:
Regards
MAX
Inspiring!
Thanks for sharing Jakk, and kudos to you Twocando.
May the ball always be in your numbers.
Victor
Hi guys.Some times ago, me and twocando was chatting about his system.I know one of his system which is playing.Twocando is great man and he helped me much.I am not saying that i am playing his method because i am not sure that i understand well.I want to only said that TWOCANDO is gentleman.
Hi all.
This is an Twocando system, I find it on full systems.
He take the two neighbors (wheel) rigt/left side from the last number ,
and :
A. Do not play the numbers or streets between the two numbers(on table)
He play the others numbers remaining.( or streets)
B. Play the numbers between the two numbers(on table).
I never tested this system.
The Wheel Holds the next number
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The next is not for the faint-hearted. The next numbers that can be excluded from the play are indicated by the wheel?
Yes. The numbers next to the last on the wheel will show you where you do not need to play. If the last number was 9. On the wheel next to 9 is the numbers 22 and 31. This gives us a range of numbers from 22 to 31. Street 8 to 11.
Do not play this numbers or streets for next number. If one of these numbers that was left out appears on the next. Play them to be out for the next. On a win change the numbers to the range of numbers of the last number. Some of them will be 2 numbers and others will be more up to 19 numbers that can be excluded.
10 - Next to 10 is 5/23
11 - lost 11 come up/ between 5 to 23 reply 5 to 23 not to appear.
30 - WIN / next to 30 is 8/11
35 - WIN / next to 35 is 3/12 don't play 3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.12
27 - WIN / next to 27 is 6/13 - out is 6.7.8.9.10.11.12.13
22 - WIN / next to 22 is 9/18 - out is 9.10---18
9 - Lost replay 22 out numbers 9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18
30 - WIN / next to 30 is 8/11 out numbers 8.9.10.11
2 - win
If you wish to tweak this play, try to play only the numbers that was excluded.
Twocando
Btw (I think) Twocando and Twocat(Sam) are two different persons.
If you read posts from each one, will notice an very different style.
Nice story Jakk. And I think to all to us a very motivating story. I hope this isn't a dumb question, but are Twocat and Twocando the same?
>>Yes that means that he only plays roulette for a living and he does that every day. What I can tell you though is that we did one session of about an hour and a half max. He made 500 profit in that time. He plays quite a few sessions a day. You do the math. >>
If this is true, he plays in the friendliest casinos on Earth. No casino will stand for the same person coming in every day and taking them for thousands. Every dealer and every pit person in every casino he plays in would soon know him immediately. Like I read the other day, its a casinos job to find where the leaks are and plug them. He would be long gone is a short period of time. This story is very nice, but there are some things in it that I just don't believe, sorry.
Quote from: JHM on April 07, 2010, 04:50:52 PM
are Twocat and Twocando the same?
Hello there dear JHM,
Twocando = South africa player.
TwoCatSam = US-based player.
Not the same!
Cheers.
I'd be interested to know how Twocando escapes universal fluctuation. Or how/why he thinks it doesn't apply to his system? This is a serious question. Will I get a serious answer? Probably not.
Nice story Jakk, thanks for sharing.
Question: Was that wheel tilted/semi-tilted, or level?
@ Stackbundles,
lol ;D yeah mate the naysayers unfortunately has been and will be a permanent feature of this forum. To them I can only say that this is what happened. Maybe in your parts of the world players are banned for winning but not here. Or not as yet anyway.
So Cheese, I understand if you do not wish to believe me but seriously that is your problem not mine. I am a staright shooter and say it the way it is.
@ Jordan
Twocando places quarter to half of his bets after the ball is spun. No he did not play VB.
@ No.6
TCD plays various systems. He alternates between them. His systems are truly different from your avaerage system around.
For instance I showd him a system a while back. He is using that system as well after he panel beated and changed it to suit him. I know you like to shoot systems down. I'm telling you though that TCD has found his own way to beat the wheel. What more can I say? You ask why his systems are not prone to universal fluctuation. Well I guess he changes with the wheel. I'm not a guy for the technical stuff and terms. Sometimes I think that people overthink things and end up stumbling over technical words and over analysis. Maybe roulette is simpler than you think.
Anyway like I have said. The man makes a living off roulette. That is something I would not like to attempt just yet. Maybe soon though.
Kind regards
Jakk
when you said the dealer could hit sections i knew it was not true.
Hi Mates
Thanks Jakk. Die was baie lekker om jou te ontmoet het. Ons sal by jou 'n draai maak, jou VB werk baie goed.
I will try to explain and answer the questions in the comments. LIFO - Nu6. The systems that I play use the fluctuation and never did I or Jakk said that it doesn't apply. Any system can be a good system if you apply the universal fluctuation to the system. meaning that if the system works, it must go to the wrong. The opposite of the expectation/system. One need to look at what is happening and then use the E-cart to the system. There is no system that will win and win .. on its own nor will it just lose. If I were to tell you that the ball will always land to the left from the last number, with in 18 numbers. You may then say its impossible because of the fluctuation. This means that it will also never just go to the right of the last number. Because of fluctuation there will be a ever changing of movement, right? But it will also never be left, right, left , right from the last number. So there will be fluctuation in the fluctuation, if its not there then the fluctuation needs to be constant. What is causing this fluctuations may give you the answer to the play of the system. The ball in the pocket of the number can never change itself. Only the dealer and the energy from the movement with the next spin can either repeat the fluctuation or change it. Even the hitting of the scatters. Next time just look and see how many times the ball enters the numbers without hitting a diamond, landing in the half of the wheel to the predicted area.
Cheese, you can believe what you want. Just one thing, when one wins on roulette do you take the money from the casino or from the other players on the table? Never try to win more than what is played on the table. Don't even try to play 1 on 1 with a table. The casino is not friendly. I was banned for 1 year from this casino. Its 5 minute drive from my house. The banned was for something I told the black dude, because he could not keep the ball in the wheel. You right the dealers and pb's do try to plug the system players but they are not to cleaver. Play a system till in profit then play another system. keep changing systems then they are F*****d.
Jordan27 - Yes, I did looked into the wheel and maybe Jakk can tell you about the lose frets on this wheel. Sectors to repeat like a dream.
Balint - You do not need to play it just check it out then you will see - Rule 1 on this is FLUCTUATION. Rule 2 there needs to be a constant movement with the distances between the numbers.
Bene126 - Or may I say Mr T. - Mate Keep on to practise. Thanks for the PM, I will reply on it.
Afonso - Check your system, maybe if you play it only to a clockwise ball movement or just left hand table. Look for what is it that cause a system to lose.
TCD not Twocat, I've got a bull Terrier, black and no cats around. I do like cats but not Dozer. (bulldozer)
Twocondo, I have a question. Where I live I noticed this in the casino's (all owned by the state, private casino's are not allowed).
The dealer always picks the ball out of the pocket, than spins the wheel and let it go 1-2 sec (never releases from the last pocket). And than spins the ball clockwise, next spin counterclockwise. So you never know from what pocket the ball is released and they never spin in 1 direction. Can your strategy than still be played?
Thank you for helping us out, it's really nice to read a true winner with casino experience.
JHM
Pins, what you are saying is that I am lying. I guess it is impossible for me to proove what happened this past weekend. I also know that there are people around these forums that truly know absolutely nothing and only have negative stuff to say simply because they need the attention and they try to get a reaction......which I guess you succeeded with....... again. So congratulations on that then. Now personally I cannot give a flying F about what you believe and what you don't believe. I have this sickening feeling that you are typically the type of guy that will always say the opposite of what everyone else is saying. Why? Same reasons I mentioned above.
Now I did not put this post here because there is anything to sell from me or TCD. Guys that know me around here will vouch for me. I don't roll that way. Neither does TCD. I simply posted this as a report of my meeting with TCD (my first.....but not last) and what had happened at that meeting. The fun and enjoyment just came naturally! Anyone that has spoken to or corresponded with TCD will tell you that he only tries to help. He never asks anything from anyone.
So Pins, believe what you like but the whole story as I told it is pretty damn accurate except for the part where I had to leave the table for a visit to the porcylin motorcycle.........
Sector shooting can be done on a tilted wheel. That's why I asked Jakk if the wheel was tilted (or at least semi tilted).
What I like about Twocando is that he takes advantage of the game device in his own methods (dealer influence, pocket/fret influence, etc), creating a hybrid sort of method. Unlike nearly 100% of systems on this forum which are only variations of useless classical systems and progressions.
Quote from: Twocando on April 08, 2010, 04:12:46 AM
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Play a system till in profit then play another system. keep changing systems then they are F*****d.
(...)
Quote from: Noble Savage on April 08, 2010, 08:25:55 AM
What I like about Twocando is that he takes advantage of the game device in his own methods (dealer influence, pocket/fret influence, etc), creating a hybrid sort of method. Unlike nearly 100% of systems on this forum which are only variations of useless classical systems and progressions.
The most clever way to play.
Just keep changing your strategy along the game... don't follow a classical system with very strict rules.
Nothing is perfect all the time, so why don't take advantage of different systems to his own way of play :thumbsup: That's why TCD is a winner !
Quote from: Twocando on April 08, 2010, 04:12:46 AM
Afonso - Check your system, maybe if you play it only to a clockwise ball movement or just left hand table. Look for what is it that cause a system to lose.
Thanks for have my topic in consideration :)
I'm out of ideas, as I was about to quit roulette. This story have come just in the right time
Thanks for the inspiration Jakkalsdraai and TCD. I know that there will be some haters as always... well they are just pissed of and jealous ;D
I will keep this topic very close to me, as maybe it will be some sort of inspiration for a new system and ideas.
Maybe TCD will teach us something more ... :clapping:
Best regards,
Afonso
*Just keep changing your strategy along the game... don't follow a classical system with very strict rules.*
I agree with that, it s how i do play,change strategys (systems)and use/ hunt LW patterns from each strategy,
bet at the right time.
i am saying the dealer has no control over where the ball will land.
Quote from: pins on April 08, 2010, 09:44:40 AM
I am saying the dealer has no control over where the ball will land.
Sorry, but I've to discord with you.
Most of the dealers don't have any control over the ball, but there are a few capable dealers that can shoot the ball to a 2/3 numbers sector
Regards,
Afonso
Quote from: Number Six on April 07, 2010, 08:41:34 PM
I'd be interested to know how Twocando escapes universal fluctuation. Or how/why he thinks it doesn't apply to his system? This is a serious question. Will I get a serious answer? Probably not.
Six,
Don't hold your breath waiting.
What if all this "straight shooting" is about a few (temporarily) lucky persons therefore wasting a lot of time... only to continue "losing it all back"? Persons who all the while are becoming ever-more convinced of their own "legend"? Sort of like a Gambler's Anonymous in reverse, "spurring" each other on.
I don't know anything about this incident, but I do know nothing very-convincing has been presented... of the so many ways by which such could be convincingly conveyed w/o actually giving anything away about the person or his/her system.
It's like when my interest in watching sports dwindled in my teens, when I asked myself, "What are any of them guys doing for me?"
Never try to win more than what is played on the table. The casino is not friendly. I was banned for 1 year from this casino.>>>
So the casino doesn't care if you win multiple $500 sessions every time you come in, as long as you never win more than is played on the table? Do you realize that makes no sense whatever? And they banned you for a year and now you're back, winning multiple $500 sessions, and they don't care? Its a giant contradiction, they ban you for winning, now you're back winning, and its OK. This is giving me a headache, I don't think I believe any of it.
I've been going to casinos for 25 years, I know people who were banned, and they were never allowed back in. If they ban you, they think you are a cheat. Why would they let you back in after a year, so you can cheat them some more?
Not really. Casinos do use temporary bans.
If you keep winning more than you should, they WILL ban you. But you wouldn't be legally considered as "cheating". Even plain VB isn't considered cheating. Cheating is when you try to influence the outcomes of the game, or past post, etc.
Hey Jakk,
Nice story mate.
It is always great to meet up with good people who share a common interest.
Anyway, for me the real issue here is not roulette... stuff that!
What I'm worried about is your tone in regard to your detox efforts. It sounds like you're going to go on a de-detox binge as soon as you finish! That would be a shame, mate. You risk undoing all the positive results that will manifest over the next month or more.
Just go easy. :good:
wouldn't be legally considered as "cheating". >>>
I'm talking about how the casino views you, not the law. They consider any consistant winner as a cheat, they even refer to them that way. Card counters are listed in the Griffin Book as cheaters, when the Supreme Court of Nevada says they are not cheating at all.
Jakkalsdraai, I once called you a moron. I say sorry for that because you're a VLS oldie. Now there aren't so many around. Yes, I shoot a lot of systems down because I know most of what is touted round here simply doesn't work - because it's gambler's fallacy (yeah, old maxim). I haven't given up hope that someone has cracked this oldest of games and has got a "winning system", but in honesty, it is impossible to avoid negative fluctuation. This is what kills systems. Across the board all bets are subject to the same degrees of upswings and downswings. People win and lose. Including me; it doesn't matter how many times you switch systems or when, it doesn't even matter how you play. It is there all the time. I've tried to explain this, people call me negative. Until I'm shown proof that it is possible to enjoy more upswings than downswings, it doesn't exist. Call that what you will. I'm a pragmatist. Anyway, thanks for the story. I truly enjoyed reading it and it's good to know that the forum is getting people together in person.
Twocando, I see what you're saying and it's truly refreshing to see someone actually answer a question instead of getting one's knickers in a twist LOL! The problem is, like you yourself said "there is fluctuation in fluctuation". The thing is: how do you know you're IN fluctuation? And how do you know which way it is going? Obviously when you start losing you're in a downswing. OK. Now you stop playing that particular system. Switch. How do you know you're not walking out of one downswing and straight into another? You don't. That is why it's a game of luck. I have looked at e-cart in mega detail and my conclusions are that it is useless. Unless you're exploiting some physical parameter of the game, you're not winning. You're just lucky. I believe that and I believe that is a fact. Now, you can argue otherwise. And you'd be within your rights. I would actually be inclined to entertain your arguments because you seem to know what you're talking about...but then again, I'd even entertain Mr J (in fact I do sometimes LOL!!)
Quote from: pins on April 08, 2010, 04:09:07 AM
when you said the dealer could hit sections I knew it was not true.
you are so wrong. I have played and observed roulette for over 20 years. 99% of dealers absolutely cannot hit numbers or sections and would not even try to. however, there are dealers that absolutely can do this and I have see them do it with my own eyes, right in front of me. when I used to go this one casino in the middle of the night when there weren't too many people around, this dealer showed me and he told me how they practiced doing it at dealer school. in less than ten throws he hit my number for me on purpose. it was the coolest thing I ever saw (unfortunately I could not bribe him to be my best friend and partner.) he was actually very professional and said he basically likes to do it for fun, when he gets bored and when there's not too many people around. I even remember he said, "well I'm sure you're good at your job, and we're good at ours," or something like that. another time I was playing and this guy kept putting chips on the zeroes for the dealer and himself and this older dealer guy (I remember he had white hair and white beard) kept hitting the z's over and over. it was really pissing me off because he was screwing up the system I was playing with his target shooting. it was obvious he was staring at the wheel and deliberately releasing the ball at certain points, so the player and himself could make some money. it made me so mad I told the dealer to stop looking at the wheel when he released the ball, because I was losing money. I should have just bet the zeroes along with the other player but I was too set on playing my own system at the time. the point is, it is highly unusual for a dealer to be able to target shoot a wheel or even try to, and most dealers do not even try to, but it can be done by a skillful and experienced dealer, as I have seen it done right in front of me.
To Garnabby - This is posted in the General section not the full system section. So you did not have to read it expecting a system. You didn't have to reply to the post either.....that was even a bigger waste of time to you.
To Number 6 - Not sure if it was a civilized last post or still a stab at me. Saying that you once called me a moron but BECAUSE I'm an oldie you apologised. No need to apologise then mate. I know where I stand with you now.
Cheese - Believe what you like, I couldn't care less.
Cheers
Jakk
Quote from: simon on April 09, 2010, 12:06:58 AM
you are so wrong. I have played and observed roulette for over 20 years. 99% of dealers absolutely cannot hit numbers or sections and would not even try to. however, there are dealers that absolutely can do this and I have see them do it with my own eyes, right in front of me. when I used to go this one casino in the middle of the night when there weren't too many people around, this dealer showed me and he told me how they practiced doing it at dealer school. in less than ten throws he hit my number for me on purpose. it was the coolest thing I ever saw (unfortunately I could not bribe him to be my best friend and partner.) he was actually very professional and said he basically likes to do it for fun, when he gets bored and when there's not too many people around. I even remember he said, "well I'm sure you're good at your job, and we're good at ours," or something like that. another time I was playing and this guy kept putting chips on the zeroes for the dealer and himself and this older dealer guy (I remember he had white hair and white beard) kept hitting the z's over and over. it was really pissing me off because he was screwing up the system I was playing with his target shooting. it was obvious he was staring at the wheel and deliberately releasing the ball at certain points, so the player and himself could make some money. it made me so mad I told the dealer to stop looking at the wheel when he released the ball, because I was losing money. I should have just bet the zeroes along with the other player but I was too set on playing my own system at the time. the point is, it is highly unusual for a dealer to be able to target shoot a wheel or even try to, and most dealers do not even try to, but it can be done by a skillful and experienced dealer, as I have seen it done right in front of me.
Finally someone that agree with me :)
I can say for sure that seeing a dealer able to hit numbers or sections is a rare thing, but yes they exist ! :rtfm:
Regards,
Afonso
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on April 09, 2010, 03:25:53 AM
To Garnabby - This is posted in the General section not the full system section. So you did not have to read it expecting a system. You didn't have to reply to the post either.....that was even a bigger waste of time to you.
To Number 6 - Not sure if it was a civilized last post or still a stab at me. Saying that you once called me a moron but BECAUSE I'm an oldie you apologised. No need to apologise then mate. I know where I stand with you now.
Cheese - Believe what you like, I couldn't care less.
Cheers
Jakk
Jak,
Lighten up... replies go with the terrority.
No one is trying to hurt anyone here.
And how we handle ourselves afterward is as indicative as before. Sometimes the hardest thing to deal with is winning, itself.
Quote from: GARNabby
What if all this "straight shooting" is about a few (temporarily) lucky persons therefore wasting a lot of time...
Maybe. Yes, in reality probably. People don't like having their bubbles burst - nothing to do with this thread.
*Now you stop playing that particular system. Switch. How do you know you're not walking out of one downswing and straight into another? You don't. That is why it's a game of luck.*
How do we know, we are not walking out of one downswing and straight into another?
Because (I) we don t play entirely mechanical the Systems, as you sure think, we do not jump directly
into the other system without take a deep look before place the bets, example can make an Lw
registry before bet, and bet only at the right moment( here occurs the Human Decision , H D),
I can tell you sure that - H D and Lw s helps us(system players) a lot.
Just my opinion.
Hello guys, just letting you know Twocando has shared his system "Linear betting - the wheel and carpet (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/index.php/topic,51.0.html)" : at this link (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/index.php/topic,51.0.html).
Regards.
Good method from Twocando. I have decent experience with this type of play.
It won't always work though due to the nature of modern wheels (scatter behavior, diamond behavior, changing wheel/ball speeds, etc).
If you want this to be reliable you need to play the VB version that Twocando suggested.
- Learn the wheel layout.
- Learn how to use a thumper of headcount for measuring and reacting to wheel speed in real time.
- Do a scatter analysis (your edge evaporates on wheels with completely random scatter).
- Do diamond analysis (your edge evaporates on level wheels where diamonds hit randomly).
Remember, it's the wheel that causes dealer signature, not the dealer.
Quote from: Number Six on April 09, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
Maybe. Yes, in reality probably. People don't like having their bubbles burst - nothing to do with this thread.
Quote from: GARNabby on April 08, 2010, 02:20:10 PM
What if all this "straight shooting" is about a few (temporarily) lucky persons therefore wasting a lot of time...
Hence the need for establishing statistical significance first.
Never attack a wheel where you don't have a real edge.
Refer to Laurence Scott and his RA software for an example.
Quote from: Noble Savage on May 06, 2010, 11:51:51 AM
Remember, it's the wheel that causes dealer signature, not the dealer.
H'm? I would suggest that randomness has clouded your opinion with magical belief. The speed of the wheel is a common speed reset by many experienced dealers. The release and speed of the ball release can be a monotonously similar speed and location too. The dealer can be letting it go because the green just past in the corner of her/his eye. I suggest that the wheel has nothing to do with dealer signature. A wheel type might have typical coincidences in common with the same type. Dealers pick up style from mentors. Mentors train dealers that some day become mentors.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 2010, 12:20:18 PM
H'm? I would suggest that randomness has clouded your opinion with magical belief. The speed of the wheel is a common speed reset by many experienced dealers. The release and speed of the ball release can be a monotonously similar speed and location too. The dealer can be letting it go because the green just past in the corner of her/his eye. I suggest that the wheel has nothing to do with dealer signature. A wheel type might have typical coincidences in common with the same type. Dealers pick up style from mentors. Mentors train dealers that some day become mentors.
You just know it all don't you. ;D
The dealer's "style" is nothing compared to the right wheel conditions (mainly DD and scatter). It's not the dealer that allows DS to happen but the wheel. If you can't figure out why then you shouldn't be making statements in field you haven't studied in the first place.
Quote from: Noble Savage on May 06, 2010, 01:47:24 PM
You just know it all don't you. ;D
The dealer's "style" is nothing compared to the right wheel conditions (mainly DD and scatter). It's not the dealer that allows DS to happen but the wheel. If you can't figure out why then you shouldn't be making statements in field you haven't studied in the first place.
I know enough to tell you. You strike me as being more wannabe than expert.
Here is what you said: "Remember, it's the wheel that causes dealer signature, not the dealer. "
You just went from "causes" to "allows." There is a difference. ...and yes, I studied the field long before there was an internet. It's one of the reasons I had to know if randomness was more powerful than bias or physics. Randomness does things that bias and physics can never do. You jump to conclusions and yet you have this bottom line signature about science: "Truth and science triumph over ignorance and superstition." You are about as effective as a Global Warming scientist.
Beware of the next big scary thing: Wobble Globing.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 2010, 02:34:22 PM
You strike me as being more wannabe than expert.
I'm no "expert". I'm a student and will always be.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 2010, 02:34:22 PM
Here is what you said: "Remember, it's the wheel that causes dealer signature, not the dealer. "
You just went from "causes" to "allows." There is a difference.
I meant both.
To put it simply:
- On the right wheel, DS may happen with ANY dealer (or any person who knows how to spin).
- DS can't happen on ANY wheel though. Let an expert super-consistent dealer spin on a level wheel with unmanageable scatter, you'll get no DS.
Do you know why/how?
Of course you do, you're an expert at everything. You can beat randomness.
Quote from: Noble Savage on May 06, 2010, 02:52:17 PM
Do you know why/how?
Of course you do, you're an expert at everything. You can beat randomness.
I know why, because I built a real world simulation of a wheel as a computer program. I have not missed the discussions on the new wheels being used by casinos either. I can beat randomness and you can't beat the new wheels. I don't see a problem there. You are all wound up to get even with me. Sorry, that's a dumb idea too. You keep up the dumb idea consortium's end. That's your job. Gads, I had no idea what a newbie you are. Every conclusion you make for then next few years will be obscured by your own assumptions. Enjoy the wild ride. It's worth taking it.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 2010, 03:12:26 PM
I can beat randomness and you can't beat the new wheels.
Okay. ;D
Can't believe I'm arguing with a child.
Quote from: Noble Savage on May 06, 2010, 03:20:43 PM
Okay. ;D
You actually think that I am clueless because math says I must lose in the long run. Yet you are some neophyte wannabe with an attitude. You are just a bug on the floor to be squashed. You math zoners need to forget about people like me. I'm the nightmare that haunts your endless supply of assumptions. Get lost.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 2010, 03:25:25 PM
You actually think that I am clueless because math says I must lose in the long run. Yet you are some neophyte wannabe with an attitude. You are just a bug on the floor to be squashed. You math zoners need to forget about people like me. I'm the nightmare that haunts your endless supply of assumptions. Get lost.
I pushed the right button. ;D
Quote from: Noble Savage on May 06, 2010, 03:36:08 PM
I pushed the right button. ;D
You pushed the "Easy Button." Letting you carry on that you think you know whats happening is the very worst thing you can do for yourself. Go ahead, keep on thinking you have it all figured out. Nothing would please me more. Have you discovered extreme sports for yourself yet? Perhaps you should try mountain climbing. You should find out what others have done and do that too. After all, you are a noble savage, LOL :good:
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 2010, 03:48:54 PM
You pushed the "Easy Button." Letting you carry on that you think you know whats happening is the very worst thing you can do for yourself. Go ahead, keep on thinking you have it all figured out. Nothing would please me more. Have you discovered extreme sports for yourself yet? Perhaps you should try mountain climbing. You should find out what others have done and do that too. After all, you are a noble savage, LOL :good:
Definitely the right button. ;D
You do realize you're really insecure and pretentious about being different and knowledgeable about Roulette?
Quote from: Noble Savage on May 06, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Definitely the right button. ;D
You do realize you're really insecure and pretentious about being different and knowledgeable about Roulette?
It looks like it was I hitting your button. Pot Kettle Black. Anyone with half a brain can see you are jumping to my call. You are just a neophyte wannabe. I'm so glad I don't have to go through all the crap that is front of you. You have got to be kidding if you think this is going anywhere. You are the goofball stuck on visual ballistics.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 2010, 05:00:58 PM
It looks like it was I hitting your button. Pot Kettle Black. Anyone with half a brain can see you are jumping to my call. You are just a neophyte wannabe. I'm so glad I don't have to go through all the stuff that is front of you. You have got to be kidding if you think this is going anywhere. You are the goofball stuck on visual ballistics.
Okay. :sarcastic: