Hi all of you esteemed players !
I noticed that Genuine Winner system price decreased for 3,500 USD to 2,000 USD (with the possibility to pay the remaining 1,500 USD later from your winnings , with no time-limit).
Does anyone know why mr. Hourmouzis is making this price decrease ?
Thx - Lex
Maybe inflation of AUD?
Hermes
Actually the price is $2100 per 6 months, instead of a one-time fee, so its actually a large price rise.
From what I understand, I think his reason for selling is, he no longer needs to play his "Roulette System" because of his Computer partnerships (split profits).
"you could be netting far more than a measly thousand here and there from the naive roulette player" I read Steve has around 500 hundred players, That is not a "measly" sum.
If Steve earns X amount from computers why would he sit around for hours on end collecting spins etc, when he has a better method in his back pocket? Would you? Why not sell your old method to make even more profit, seems like good business sense to me.
If what he's selling works, he deserves a medal for all the shit he gets. I'd have gone insane by now.
Just my take.
Noisia, you are correct. Roulette-randy, you just made comments without doing research. Read below - it's FAQ #1 at my site:
Q1. Why are you selling your winning roulette system?
For a few reasons: first and foremost, we don't need it anymore. Consider that we have powerful roulette computer cheating technology that is even more effective than our roulette strategy. In fact some of our computers are automated, and do not even require the operators to look at the roulette wheels once the camera is aimed (See Hybrid Roulette Computer). We do still have a few roulette system players that pay us 50% of their winnings, but most of our "profit split" arrangements are with regards to our roulette cheating devices. This is because for the time we spend training players, our roulette computer teams are more productive. Learn about our roulette computer partnerships. We do not need further partners at this stage though, so please don't ask - if our team gets any larger, it will be too difficult to manage. Additionally, we cannot possibly play roulette in all casinos - there are thousands of casinos world-wide. So we can afford to allow others to use it - we want to see the result of our hard work being used.
Just one thing that needs clarification - we are always looking for computer partners, but not looking for further system partners.
If you ask why I still sell my computers, consider I dont sell them for $49.95 with free steak knives. You get what you pay for at $20k.
Roulette-randy, I long ago accepted that ignorant people read negative rubbish about me and without any proper research, assume what is written is true, and sure it means fewer clients - whoopie. That is not my primary reason for defence. It is primarily having the truth known, and justice, especially when idiots with remarkably inferior technology call me the scammer. Unfortunately you just have no idea what you're talking about.
Generally yes, those who cant do, teach. And those that both teach and practise what they preach... well they tend to offer things that work, sell at a justified price, and benefit from use of their own technology. Your assumption that I only teach is your problem.
Sorry you are just ignorant and think you know it all, many around like you, but entitled to your opinion.
PS - The majority of people who pay me $20k spend the time with me to see everything in person. Do you really think people would part with such money without seeing adequate proof of my claims? Most who buy computers start with my system, and of course only buy more after a good experience with me and what I teach.
Van, that's an ignorant statement to say the least. You have no idea about my system or what my players are doing, today. If the casinos knew how easily beaten their wheels actually are, they'd poo themselves. They only have a very vague idea, and know only about things like bias analysis and VB.
Randy, it is ignorance that irritates me. And my partners are playing, profiting with me, whether I sleep, type or whatever.
Casinos I am visiting allow you nothing to have with you even not phone! Forget an earphone! Soon they will take your watches off if you are looking on it too often. If you are winning high the security guy is standing behind you and looking over you shoulder what are you writing down - like spy (form of casinos intimidation). Very bad feeling. The best way leave the table for while, go for coffee or so (but first after hit).
The technical advantage casinos use today's to exploit people changed drastically to our disadvantage. Just look the killer slot machines or shuffling machines on card tables! They should be illegal! But because politicians like them they will stay and do even more financial damage to mediocre gamblers.
Hermes
Financial Formula: casinos + politicians = :diablo:
Sure conditions are changing, and so is method of play. Will advantage play always still be viable? I believe so.
security guy is standing behind you and looking over you shoulder what are you writing down >>>
When they ask to see my roulette card, I hand it over gladly. They look at it and have no idea what it means and they never ask. It makes them feel important.
The surveillance cameras can see just about everything anyway, so whatever you write must not indicate you actually know what you're doing. ie encode it.
Thats why I show it to them, only I know how to read it. They don't have a clue.
Sometimes they would stand behind me when I played BJ. I would talk to them, ask them questions, and they always went away. If you don'tact intimidated, they lose interest.
I know what you mean. My scribble is high-tech encoding. You need special glasses to see, and then you need to decode it all:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fbaristanet.com%2Fbaristakids%2Fuploads%2F250px-Child_scribble_age_1y10m.jpg&hash=5a38d7ca4eed4102920a2ce5287c52b9a5b388a6)
Mine is simple, like Morse Code. It looks like nonsense.
"It makes them feel important" typical low self esteem complex visible by policeman and politicians.
When you feel a sheet inside you you want to hide it by being rude to the outside world.
Therefore, the best tactic by interaction with policeman is to play stupid and give him a compliment how "smart" he is and he let you go because you smoothed his mental problem.
Hermes
Van, that's an ignorant statement to say the least. >>
Steve this is some new guy who claims to be Wendel and made up a story about me and voted for me in the poll. He's here just to cause trouble.
Van, all your IP addresses are PROXIES. For example:
72.38.238.110
Load it in your browser, and it goes to netguard - a proxy. My guess is you are mark howe or bago. I had a look at some of your previous posts, and all you seem to do is attack me.
As for the primordial chart you posted, I think you should do some counting before you claim there is no edge. Primordial charts are used in many parts of advantage play.
The color picture above looks like Van Gogh or Dali or Picasso? Must be expensive! What do you say Van Gogh?
Hermes
My guess is you are mark howe. Either that or bago.>>>
Its Bago. He voted for me in the poll and Bago and I have no love for each other. He sounds like Bago and has the same writing style.
Actually Spike you may be correct. It's Bago's chart that he posted and he doesnt appear to understand his data shows a clear edge.
Actually Spike you may be correct. >>
He voted for me in the poll and then attacked me in a post there. He called me an 'old fool', which is pure Bago. He's very young, in his 20's, and always resented that I was so much older than him. Bago is very smart, but if you ever deal with him personally in emails, you realize there is something seriously screwy about him.
Unfortunately bago had a very poor understanding of what he was doing. He made false claims, I addressed them, now its all a matter of pride for him. Id rather not waste more time
It was very frustrating to see such an idiot change his mind daily>>
Thats it exactly. I was trying to work out playing on Dublin thru him a couple years ago and whatever he told me one day, he did the exact opposite the next day. Then he would be apologetic or fly into a rage. Finally I gave up on him, it was like dealing with a crazy person.
Yes but howe is actually far worse but I'd rather not waste more time
So what's the story here Steve, you're the only one entitled to attack other posters for voicing their view that what you're peddling may not be legit? Do you own this site? I think that maybe you do, because of the number of advertising links to your roulette system sites. I also think that this may be true since you spend so much time here defending your roulette system. Within minutes of someone posting something other than a glowing testimonial of your product, you appear with a defense. If this is the case, why not admit it now so that we real roulette players can go to neutral forums not dictated by someone hawking their wares under the guise of operating a forum.
If this is the case, why not admit it now>>
Yes, Steve, come clean. Do you own this forum or don't you??? :party: :party: :neo: :beach:
OK Spike, f**k off!
Randy, everyone knows I own this site
Spike, not if the poll was asking who is the biggest walking hard-on on this site. You would have gotten my vote for sure! As for you Steve, no I didn't notice the admin status next to your name. Who cares anyway? You're a pin-head too. I would say a walking hard-on, but I doubt you can get it up anyways. Except maybe for Spike. You two ought to get a room. Oh by the way, your roulette systems have been downloaded and are available for free all over the internet. Good luck selling them now!
Its Bago again. How boring.
Randy is that post supposed to upset me? Do you know how many times the primordials document has been published? The time before last I just left it in the post because I didnt care - it's still on this forum, my egghead friend. Often it leads to something like a computer purchase because the viewer sees there is real science to it. Primordials doc is only the basics and the casinos already know about the basics. The sensitive methods are taught 1 to 1 to players once rapport and trust is built.
PS - Looks like Bago is back. Especially after his calculation mistakes he rather upset - he said there was no edge, but he forgot to count as it was a +600 unit profit. Last IP he used as Baltbazar was 74.63.112.147 which is another proxy (hidemyass.com). It might be mark, they are just as bad as each other.
Bago you are a waste of time. I've explained about you at nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/bago-tony-duhamel/ (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/bago-tony-duhamel/) and the challenges that refuted your nonsense. I'm sorry that it embarased you but that was not my intention. i was just correcting your false claims