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Hi everyone.   watching this forum from a while and now I decided to join :)
I'm really curious what whould you do IF .  .  . 

Only 2 options for the answer because selling ( like many do online for double digits amount of money )  a working roulette system/strategy sound stupid . 

So.  .  .   what you'd do ? Publish it ? Hold on to it ?

Thank you !

Quote from: me on April 14, 2010, 07:25:17 PM
Hi everyone.   watching this forum from a while and now I decided to join :)
I'm really curious what whould you do IF .  .  .  

Only 2 options for the answer because selling ( like many do online for double digits amount of money )  a working roulette system/strategy sound stupid .  

So.  .  .   what you'd do ? Publish it ? Hold on to it ?

Thank you !

You couldn't start your first topic with a better sentence!  :clapping:


No one with a winning system would sell it! If it wins, you don't need more money. If you want to give it, publish it or choose a close group of friends to teach!

It's sad that a lot of people still spends their money in scammers  :-\


Well anyway, back in topic, that is a hard question.
To be honest I don't know. I think I would choose only "good people" to teach ! Hehe

Best regards,
Afonso

@A3on47   Scenario :  one finds ( lets pretend ) a system/strategy that works .  That would stop ( in short time ) roulette being played on casinos, right ? - or drastic change of roulette playing rules ? ( if freely made available )

Now that person wouldn't be one of the most hated ( by casino owners ) person in the world ?

In my noble opinion... That is impossible !

Think a little... What would be easiest and more profitable for casinos:
Close their doors and stop the business because of one guy
or
Just pay someone to kill him

Ok this is a bad scenario ! ahah

Now honestly, it will be very hard for someone to provoke that. Even if someone finds the holy grail, there are always haters that say it will not work, that keep people way from it. Just a few will use it
Casino will not even notice ;)

Cheers,
Afonso

Lol, I'm not talking about killings and such :) :)

And aswell not talking about one guy . . .  I said IF made freely available to any roulette player ( published ).  Then it won't be only one guy :)

P. S.  Still no votes I see lol

fender thank you for your reply.  thing is I'm not talking about millionaires but normal people :) ( never gonna understand why a millionaire would play casino games :) ).

Scenario 2 ( lol ) :  10-20 ppl on a table being able to wipe out a casino in 1 - days .   THAT would be dangerous isn't it ?

I voted to hold on to it.
Look at it this way, if some stranger came up to you in the street and asked for your job, would you just give it to him (maybe if you really hated your job!)
Your job feeds you and your family and gives you some security for the future.
There is nothing to stop someone giving some of his winnings away to good causes if he feels like it.

I like sherminator way of thinking

Thank you Afonso,

If you were the MD of a company with shareholders, you would have a responsibility to ensure the shareholders benefitted from the growth of your business.
A professional gambler may look at his children and grandchildren and think along the same lines.

The game of blackjack changed considerably once it was proven that the game could be beaten by professional card counters.
Roulette has also changed significently over the last few years in subtle ways which may have gone unnoticed to many.
If a mechanical/fluid strategy was found which did give an edge and many people started playing it, the casinos would take countermeasures to protect the shareholders. 

There is no sentiment if you step up to the professional ranks, be that in business, sports, gaming etc. . . .

In gambling, a fool and his money are soon parted.  I think it would also be wise to assume a fool and his winning strategy could soon be parted as well.

True professionals would not give their secrets away to anyone, nor would they even sell them or write a book about them or publicise them on a forum. It's like an invention that you know is going to make you a lot of money. Literally, a price cannot be put on that. Why would you even consider putting it at risk? It's OK hypothetically saying "Yes, I'd share it". But in reality, when it dawns on you that you have a very powerful thing, it's natural to want to protect it for as long as possible. When, or if, it becomes impossible, then you can cash in on it.

Quote from: fender1000
Like wiping the 2---1 dozens off the board. I AM DEADLY SERIOUS.

What difference would that make? You can just play wheel-based dozens instead. Table and wheel based dozens both have the same probability of hitting on any spin therefore there is no difference at all. It sounds like a cliche, but if "the Zone" was it, the real deal, rest assured that it would have been discovered literally centuries ago. Every casino on the planet would have folded long before you were even born. The truth is, if the zone was the holy grail of roulette systems there'd already be countermeasures against it. As far as I know there isn't. Do you actually even know how long roulette has been around?

Quote from: fender1000 on April 14, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
Dangerman you don't want to believe you could be wrong so its pointless even trying to reason with you.

Reason?

Who's the one claiming to beat a classical casino game with negative expectancy using a bet selection based on that old "if x misses y times, x becomes more likely to appear" fallacy, along with a limited double-up as you lose limited progression?

Last time I checked it was YOU. You live in a fantasy world where casinos are places people can go to each day, play a simple system and win and you want people to follow you.

It must be a coincidence that those who do follow you tend to be those who can't produce a correct English sentence.

You live in a fantasy world where casinos are places people can go to each day, play a simple system and win and you want people to follow you>>

I think everybody who believes him SHOULD follow him right to the casino with their life savings. The only lessons really learned are the hard lessons. Why argue about it? Let Fender jump off the roof with his paper wings and see how far he can fly. I'll bet its about as far as a falling stone.

Quote from: cheese on April 14, 2010, 11:46:06 PM
You live in a fantasy world where casinos are places people can go to each day, play a simple system and win and you want people to follow you>>

I think everybody who believes him SHOULD follow him right to the casino with their life savings. The only lessons really learned are the hard lessons. Why argue about it? Let Fender jump off the roof with his paper wings and see how far he can fly. I'll bet its about as far as a falling stone.

Are you going to bet your life savings on that bet?? hahaha :p

:D

I at first didn't want to sell, then did, now when my system really wins big with the bankroll I've hardly collected, I don't offer it anymore. When you also look from the point of a seller, giving it for one payment doesn't move you much forward. Nobody will give a lot of money for such a thing, but with the small amount, if your system really works, you'll earn it in a day.

That way you don't have to bother with explaining, complaints if the buyer loses, problems with learning him just the way you have it in your head and possible situation that many people will play the same numbers as you, so you will not win as before, or will not win at all. Casinos have approx 99% payback. Never less or more. So if a lot people play like you in a certain casino, you split up the cake.

Don't sell, play as much as you can and keep it for your kids. :D

Quote from: Danger Man link=topic=15951. msg100631#msg100631 date=1271293653
. . .  But in reality, when it dawns on you that you have a very powerful thing, it's natural to want to protect it ( AND yourself I may add ) for as long as possible.  . . .

One of the sanest ( if such word exist ) reply so far.

I think that you cannot beat roulette there are only few ways that you ca take advantage of it but thats all!!
You can make some extra money just search the you tube!!

But if i would find out some strategy that would work i would use it for myself and some friends mybe later post it somewhere like here:))

Due to the number of Pms I received I have to write this .       
1.        I NEVER claimed I've found a way to beat roulette.       
2.       The poll was a simple question about WHAT IF anybody would .       .       .       
3.        I don't want to sell ANYTHING and I'm not affiliated with any casino on earth nor with any casino dealer
4.       For the person who asked me if I ever played roulette that I can ask such questions in the poll  .       .       .        well, the image bellow is just a teaser :)  

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@ me

Hi there,  ;)

Was your last post an attempt to decrease the numbers of PM's you have been getting ??

Because as you well know the image from part 4 will only INCREASE the number of PM's heading your way....


As normal I'm dazed n confused...... :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko:

@xman  Confusion is always good one may say :)

Joking aside you're right but that's why the points 1 to 3 on my previous post so any PMs about that ( point 1 & 3 ) would be useless .

P. S.   After reading this forum day in day out still don't understand why everybody's arguing so much here .  ( nothing about any post in this thread but in the whole forum ).

Guys - you should work together not fight each other :)

Just my 2c.

I agree with you me, and I already told that.

I'm a "veteran" member of this forum. This is my second account, and I had promise to myself that I wouldn't post more here. I was tired of haters and all the discussion that was going on. But well, after 2 years, I couldn't resist :P

Some years ago, Vls was the best roulette community in the whole internet! It was really friendly and people worked together... But now there is so much hate, people pass more time criticizing and disputing than trying to beat the wheel.

I hope we get some new friendly members that can improve our forum  :scratch_ones_head:

Best regards,
Afonso

Afonso,

I really hope you won't laugh to hard reading my reply to your pm :) ( altough laughing is healthy)
Regards,

Me.

I laughed a little bit. Ok, For be honest I laughed my pants off ! Ahah

But that was only after 5 minutes after my shocked expression  :o
;D

Cheers

:)

Never told you how much the bet was  but I can tell you it was close to . . . .  last sum in the DM so all's fine :)

Can roulette be beaten on the long term ? Probably not ( most certain ) but ANY casino game can get anybody a decent living and thats a fact !

You're a crazy guy  :lol:

Btw, if it can't be beaten on the long term, how can a decent living be made by it?

By "beaten" I meant closing a house day in day out every single day.  Decent living ? Well depends ... a  € 100.00 /day ( 3k/month ) would be a decent living anywhere in the world ... 50/day as a top up to your wages/income ?  Even 20/day is still  ...600/month isn't it ?

@Afonso:

I don't see how it's about love or hate. As far as I know, "haters" is a term used by Stackbundles to describe people who (to him) are killing his dream of making a living off of a flawed betting system.

Gamblers who use mechanical mathematical systems are sensitive and take things personally.

Copernicus said the earth was not the center of the universe and the church took it as a personal insult. He made a scientific observation that popped their balloon of being the center of all existence. It hurt their Ego and they killed him for it. No room for debate.

When a system developer posts a system and claims it's a consistent winner, it's a revolutionary claim. Some people will question his claims with reason and demand proof of the system's long-term effectiveness. When such threads end up dying, with the system failing and not making anyone rich, people then say that it's the "haters" fault. They ruin every thread, and eventually the whole forum.

It isn't dissimilar to when someone loses and then blames it on the dealer or wheel/RNG being rigged. He doesn't want to take the responsibility that what he's using is worthless, and that he is trapped in an old useless type of approach, playing variations of gambler's fallacy and betting progressions.

Quote from: me on April 16, 2010, 03:33:07 PM
Can roulette be beaten on the long term ? Probably not ( most certain ) but ANY casino game can get anybody a decent living and thats a fact !

Hi me

First of all I have voted no. If I had a winning strategy, publishing would almost guarantee ruining the opportunity (no need to explain how. If you can think, you should be able to know). It would be worse than losing all of my bankroll. The latter can be replaced, but a long-term opportunity cannot.

As to your statement above, making a living from something means winning money from it everyday for a lifetime, therefore in the 'long run'. How can it be both possible and impossible? :)

Btw, roulette can be beaten. It's not for the faint-hearted though.

Quote from: Noble Savage on April 16, 2010, 04:26:08 PM
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As to your statement above, making a living from something means winning money from it everyday for a lifetime, therefore in the 'long run'. How can it be both possible and impossible? :)

....

Winning 100 or so everyday in your lifetime in casinos doesn't mean you beat the system but merely a slap on the wrist to casinos thats why I make the difference between a winning system and making an income.

Regards,
Me.

Here we go again... ::)

Suppose you play 100 bets during one day and you win.
Certainly possible!

Now suppose you do this for a living, everyday for a lifetime, let's just say for 20 years.

That's 730,000 bets. Not too far from a million.

If you were playing 100 bets a day on roulette + 40 bets on other games, after 20 years you would have placed 1,022,000 bets.

That's a long run my friend.

Sorry Noble, my mistake. When I said a 100/day I meant a € 100.00 ( $ , £ etc ) /day not a 100 wining bets.

well, if I had one would I share? to be quiete honest, I don't know. there is good reason for both.

but one thing I really don't like is people walking around claiming they found the holy grail and at the same time telling you they won't tell more about it. or people making anouncements that they will share their knowledge with the rest of the world only to announce  that for some reason they now have decided not to share a couple of days later.

I would either spread the news around or keep my mouth totally shut. 

Well Hans,

Now you see the reason of this poll. Just want to be sure what to do IF I ever discover a system/strategy that works   ;)

Regards,
Me.