IMBALANCE SYSTEM FOR DOZENS AND COLUMNS
Easy system to play on 2 dozens or 2 columns. The idea enlightened me recently at visiting casino.
You bet only last imbalanced triple spins, not balanced one. Eg. 123, 231, 222, 333, 111, are balanced triples and you don't bet, you wait (play virtually) for imbalanced triple spin coming like 221, 112, 323, 331, 332, 212, 232 and so on... There must be always 2 of the same dozen and one different dozen in last 3 spins to make the 3 spins imbalanced.
There are 2 versions to play this system.
Version A/ bet only if one dozen comes twice in row on the end of the triple period plus one single dozen like 122, 233, 311. The double dozen must appear on the end. Then you bet the single dozen and the missing one against the double. This system is more secure but making fewer chips. Security costs always money.
Version B/ bet the single and missing dozen any time imbalance occurs (121, 233, 212, 331 and so no...). Don't have to wait for double on the end of the triple spins. More rewarding but less security.
Recommended progression would be: Leveller 1-2-4-8; or Golden Roulette Progression +12 units or -6 units, which one comes first (if won rise 1 unit on both, if lost rise 1 unit on both up to +12 or -6 units & reset).
Real example from casino table 1 would explain better the strategy:
# W/L 2Dbet
32 -
8 -
24 - balance 312, wait for imbalance
14 -
26 W 1/3
30 W 1/3
6 W 1/2
3 W 1/2
14 W 2/3
23 L 1/3
30 W 1/3
27 W 1/3
4 W 1/2
7 W 1/2
11 L 2/3
15 - balance 111, wait
22 W 2/3
8 W 1/3
14 L 1/3
29 W 1/3
34 - balance 123, wait
18 W 1/2
28 L 1/2
20 W 1/2
3 W 1/2
32 - balance 321, wait
13 -
00 - lucky this time!
13 - balance 132, wait
35 W 1/3
6 W 1/3
7 - balance 231, wait
4 L 2/3
36 - balance 111, wait
33 W 2/3
34 L 1/2
27 - balance 333, wait
20 -
32 L 1/2
21 W 1/2
3 W 1/3
23 - balance321, wait
6 W 1/3
END
The second table has 4 losses in row which are easy overcome with both suggested progressions.
There is a free choice how to play after zero comes. You can wait one spin or play by taking in consideration the last 3 spins before zero.
I would like to hear your results and opinions from your testing.
I tested from that time already a couple of hundred spins at home. Easy wins like butter and bread.
The only formations that can hurt the system will be 3 times triple like 111-222-111 or 123-321-123 which doesn't come so often, and if it comes we can recognize the pattern and build-in some waiting period like switching to play the same on columns. There is a small probability that D/C will create parallel the same pattern. Mostly is it contrary.
The progressions are strong enough when we have sufficient bankroll but I don't know yet how much bankroll will be needed.
Cheers Hermes
Thanks for sharing this system Hermes :)
With the leveler progression, at the 4th loss we stop and start the progression again (1-2-4-8 and stop)?
Or we keep doubling until we hit a win?
Cheers
After we hit the 4th stage of progression we bet the last one until again in plus. Then back to 1 unit. The last stage 8 units x 2 is option for higher bankrolls. The 4th works great for lower bankrolls.
Hermes
You are the man Hermes very good idea.
Biky, it was not my idea but coming from the invisible world. I just translated it into plain English. I am the middleman. Who knows could be Garcia on the other side? Ha, ha, ha...
I tested a few more and it holds pretty strong, we will see for how long.
Cheers Hermes
This seems nice Hermes.
I will see how your testing is going.
Great Work Hermes
Thanks for sharing, I don't post much, but I've been around for a while and watch these boards regularly.
Wow! We've all seen a lot of system's but this one, on the face of things, may turn out to be one of the most outstanding WINNERS.
I'll certainly check this out.
Thanks once again !
I have now tested it for a session and it is pretty insane!
In 53 spins I made 24 unit in profit, I played version B.
The highest that I lost in a row was 2 times.
I used this progression.
1,1 = 3 if win ( 1 unit profit)
3,3 = 9 if win ( 1 unit profit)
9,9 = 27 if win ( 1 unit profit)
If lose three times= 26 units lost
It looked like this:
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
Thanks so much for sharing Hermes!
/Marcus
I am happy that testings are positive. I didn't lose yet with the leveller also. Your progression is a little bit risky, Fripper, not my style. What you can do with your kamikaze progression is to bet only after first W as a trigger. Sort off many LLLL's and zeros. Not suited for greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedy, impatient gambles! Waiting would cause them heart attacks.
Hermes
Yes indeed. But I don't get the leveller progression.
bet 1 unit on each of the two dozens. If win then profit 1 unit
bet 2 unit on each of the two dozens. You win 6 units, and a lose in total of 6. (2+4). +/- 0
bet 4 unit on each of the two dozens. You win 12 units, and a lose in total of 14. (2+4+8). a loss of 2 units
bet 8 unit on each of the two dozens. You win 24 units, and a lose in total of 30. (2+4+8+16). a loss of 6 units.
Do you play like this?
Hermes,
See my testing below, I tested your version 1 + my tweak (when 2 dozen occur in 3 spins than bet eg 121,131,212,232,313,323 are all triggers
A. = dozen
B. = version 1 + tweak
C. = version 1 hermes
A B C
2
1
1
1 L L
3
2 W W
3
3 L
1 W W
1 W W
1 L L
3
2 W W
0
1
1
1
1
1
3
1 L L
1
1 L L
2
3 W W
1
3
2
3
2 W
2 L
3 W W
2 L W
3 W
2 W
1 W
2
2 L
3 W W
3 W W
2 W W
1 W W
3
3
3 L L
1
3 L L
1 W
1
1 L L
0
2
3
2
3 W
2 W
3 W
2 W
3 W
2 W
1 W
1
2 W W
1 L L
1
3 W W
2 W W
3
1 W
3
2 W
2
2 L L
3
3 W W
3 L L
2
2 W W
1 W W
1 W W
+3 -2
Congrats Hermes, your idea is really great.
I am playing everyday since 20 years in a live casino near Paris France (Enghien).
Yesterday i wrote all the numbers for 3 hours on table 1 and the maximum successives losses were never over 2 (with your proposal n°1). I have tons of systems in french , english, italian, i never saw this attack. But frankly the bet progressions you purposed are not very clear for me, can you please give us more infos or examples on them.
Thanks again
Paul
Quote from: Fripper on April 19, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
bet 1 unit on each of the two dozens. If win then profit 1 unit
bet 2 unit on each of the two dozens. You win 6 units, and a lose in total of 6. (2+4). +/- 0
bet 4 unit on each of the two dozens. You win 12 units, and a lose in total of 14. (2+4+8). a loss of 2 units
bet 8 unit on each of the two dozens. You win 24 units, and a lose in total of 30. (2+4+8+16). a loss of 6 units.
Do you play like this?
I have some experience with this system, and is a good system, bankroll go up and down and up,
you don t have to be greedy, that s all , when in plus* something* stop.
That progression is correct , but you have to stay on 2 or 4 or 8 until see your bankroll in plus.
Where shall I play this system? Online live wheel? just online? or maybe at a real casino?
I did have a bad turn today with 4 losses then I did stop. I lost with the leveller progression 30 units. I played at a online casino.
Hermes told you if you are new with a system, start to bet after the first W after L s, (L...)LW ...bet now.
I only tested this system (live wheels), and again if you found a new system ,
do not play until have made a lot of tests.
Only live wheels and real casino, and if you lose on 8/8 ,stay on this 8/8 , Hermes way, I think.
He can tell you better.
Frriper you lost because you stopped! On leveller progression you never stop to play only if PLUS again! You should play the last stage of progression till the casino drops down. 1-2-4 for low bankrolls and 1-2-4-8 for big bankrolls. Don't count how much you are losing after 1-2-4 ! just bet the last amount further until your total is PLUS. Example:
w/l; +/-; units; W as trigger to bet
---------------------------------------------------
W +1 1/1 unit +1
W +2 1/1 +2
L 0 1/1 0
L - 4 2/2
L -12 4/4
L -28 8/8
W-20 8/8
L -36 8/8 2/2 -4
W-28 8/8
W-20 8/8 4/4 0
W-12 8/8 4/4 +4
W-4 8/8 1/1 +5
L -20 8/8 1/1 +3
W-12 8/8
W-4 8/8 2/2 +5
W +4 8/8 1/1 +6
At +4 reset to 1/1 unit
Last column is result when you would play after W trigger.
Cheers Hermes
Not so good this session.
1
3
2
1
3
3
2 W
1 W
3
1
3 W
1
2
2
3 W
2 L
0 L
2
2
1
1 W
1 L
1
3
3 L
3 L
1
2 W
3
2
1
3
2
3
1 W
2
2
1 W
2 L
3 W
2
3
3 L
3 L
1
1 W
2 W
3 W
3
3 L
1
1 W
1 L
2
3 W
3
2 W
2 W
1 W
3 W
2
3
3 L
2
3 L
3 L
2 W
3 L
2 W
3 L
1 W
2
1
2 W
3 W
3
3 L
2
1 W
3
3
3 L
3
2
-10
Looks like RNG numbers? I never got that little Ws. Could be later came better combinations.
Hermes
Nope, were live spins from spielbanken wiesbaden 19-04
At least -10 is not that big loss. The strategy glued with Leveller progression shouldn't show big losses at all. I have an idea: If it is shitty on dozens why don't we try switch to neighbors columns for help? The best will be to mark both D/C and see just by eye one which does better combinations to play. Or even alternate them after loss?
We will have to put stoploss and bankroll soon. When bankroll 100 units, profit 50, stoploss 25 units (R/R 1:2).
Try that it could help.
Hermes
Hermes,
I also thought, why don't wait for an direct LL and than pick the first next bet opportunity. When you walk in a casino you can watch the poles. Look for a pole where you see 3 dozens in the last 3 spins. Look the spins before those 3. Most of the times when 3 dozens come you will have a LL.
We have to find a a good tweak.
1
3
2
1
3
3
2 W
1 W
3
1
3 W
1 nolinks
2 nolinks
2
3 W
2 L
0 L
2
2
1
1 W
1 L
1
3
3 L nolinks
3 L
1
2 W
3
2
1 nolinks
3
2
3
1 W
2
2
1 W
2 L
3 W
2
3 nolinks
3 L
3 L
1
1 W
2 W
3 W
3
3 L
1
1 W
1 L
2
3 W
3
2 W
2 W
1 W
3 W
2
3
3 L
2 nolinks
3 L
3 L
2 W
3 L
2 W
3 L nolinks
1 W
2
1
2 W
3 W
3
3 L
2
1 W
3
3
3 L
3
2
-10
As you can see you made a lot of mistakes. The nolinks would be all wins. Not even bad result. You have to more concentrate on what you are doing. To wait for a new 3 formation after zero was a clever play.
Hermes
Hermes,
Thank you for correcting me, that -10 is now a +4. I guess I was not concentrated enough when I tested, tested to quick.
Have you already come across a negative test?
I did another test
3
3
3
2
2 W
2 L
3
2 L
2 L
1 W
3 W
3
3 L
3
1
3 L
3 L
1 W
2 W
2
3 W
1 W
3
3 L
2 W
3 L
2 W
1 W
1
1 L
1
1
3
2 W
2
1 W
1 W
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1
3 W
2
3
2 W
1 W
1
3 W
3 W
2 W
3 L
1 W
1
3 W
1 L
2 W
3
1
1
3 W
1 L
3 W
1 W
2 W
2
1 W
3 W
2
2
3 W
2 L
2 L
3 W
3 W
1 W
1 W
1 L
1
3
3 W
3 L
2
2 W
3 W
3 W
1 W
3 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2
1 L
1 L
3 W
3 W
1 W
3 L
1 W
2 W
3
2
1 W
3
3
3 L
3
3
2
1 W
3
2
2
1 W
1 W
1 L
3
3 W
1 W
3 L
1 W
1 L
3 W
2 W
2
2 L
2
1
-5
I hope the test is correct this time. We had 3 opportunities were we were +1 to stop.
Probably more sophisticated progression. Leveller is good when we expect game with long streaks like 2 dozens playing all the time, here are many but too short because of the virtual plays. Has somebody idea what progression we could use?
Thanks Hermes
play without wait triggers:
IF W L W L L W W L L L W W L W L W W
than 1/1, 3/3, 1/1, 3/3, 8/8, 1/1, 1/1, 3/3, 8/8, 10/10, 10/10, 3/3, 8/8, 3/3, 8/8, 3/3, 1/1
Ex: 1/1 is the bet for the next spin , 3/3 the bet for the next spin...etc.....
Sometimes when win but not recover all with 10, bet down to 3/3, not again 10/10
Sometimes when win but not recover all with 8 , bet down to 3/3, not 8/8
because the L s still there after the corner.
And
Possible triggers and bets :
WL bet A. 1/1, 1/1, 5/5, 10/10 ....stay on 5 or 10 until win
WLL bet B. 1/1, 3/3, 8/8, 10/10....stay on 8 or 10 until win
WLW bet A. or B.
Just ideas, and still testing.
I played 4 games of between 20-36 spins each from numbers I have. I combined version and A and B together. (FLAT BET ONLY)
Used stop loss of 6 units (for loss) and 12-15 units (for win).
Results 3units
15 units
7 units
-6 units
This way of play suits me, as I use this system with 3 other systems at the same time.
The reason it suits, is that I'll be pretty much placing a chip nearly every spin, (so not bringing attention at the table by not betting for long periods) where with the other systems I'm waiting for a trigger. Any losses are offset by other winnings from other systems I'm testing.
I'll continue testing. I like it! Thanks Hermes.
I will try it with Golden Roulette progression. +12 or -6 units then reset. Every bet rising 1 unit. 1/1, 2/2, 3/3 and so on till +12munits or -6 units and reset to 1/1 unit.
Thanks for the ideas. :thumbsup:
Hermes
Rocky Balboa, did you win that much with flat bets? That's fantastic! Actually, if we play it only after W as a trigger we shouldn't need a progression. I didn't thought FLAT.
Thanks Hermes
Hallo Hermes,
what do you mean you play it after a W as a trigger? When I understand, then you miss the W which you didn't bet?
Kindly regards
Nexus
yes, nexus (could be Lexus, a nice car) I wait until first W shows up. Eg. LLLW and after that W I start to bet. Go around many LLLLLLs.
It could be played with Labouchere:Eg. 1,2,3,4,5 = 1+5 = 6/6 units on 2 dozens. If won cross 1 & 5, line 2,3,4, if lost add twice 6. The next line would be 1,2,3,4,5,6,6 = 1+6 = 7/7 units. If won next line 2,3,4,5,6 = 2+6 = 8/8 units and so on until all numbers gone with the wind.
Actually, buju try to explain Labouchere on 2 dozens - what a help.
Hermes
Some more testing on spins from wiesbaden archiv from 26-04
3
1
3
1 W
3 W
3 L
1 W
1 W
1 L
1
3
3 W
3 L
1
1 W
3 W
1 L
3 W
3 L
1 W
2 W
3
0
0
3
1
1
1 L
3
1 L
3 W
3 L
3 L
3
3
2
3 L
1 W
3
1 W
2 W
3
3
1 W
2 W
3
3
3 L
1
3 L
1 W
3 W
2 W
3
1 W
2
2
1 W
0
3
1
1
3 W
2 W
2
1 W
3 W
3
1 W
1 W
1 L
End result +1. But in the middle of the session went down to -9.
What about to play it only flat bets after W? Even better, play only one bet after W and then it doesn't matter if win or loss wait for next W but double the bet if lost. Like 1/1 - 2/2 - 4-4 ? It will cash doubles.
Hermes
Here some test results from me, done today at the live wheel of Visionary iGaming:
6 -
23 -
11 -
19 W
2 W
14 W
30 W
25 -
5 W
0 L
1 -
15 -
7 -
5 L
6 -
11 -
6 -
10 -
20 -
16 W
32 W
36 W
35 L
32 -
6 -
5 W
11 W
16 W
18 L
35 -
25 W
21 W
17 W
24 L
1 -
22 L
7 -
15 W
3 W
12 L
20 W
20 W
26 W
5 -
16 -
14 -
21 L
14 -
34 -
2 W
16 -
7 -
22 W
22 L
14 -
5 -
18 L
25 W
28 -
12 W
30 L
31 L
13 W
30 L
I hope I did it correctly, only one question, how to handle double fallen numbers ? I will do some more testing.
Quote from: oxygene on April 27, 2010, 09:12:11 PM
Here some test results from me, done today at the live wheel of Visionary iGaming:
6 -
23 -
11 -
19 W
2 W
14 W
30 W
25 -
5 W
0 L
1 -
15 -
7 -
5 L
6 - L
11 -
6 -
10 -
20 -
16 W
32 W
36 W
35 L
32 -
6 -
5 W
11 W L
16 W -
18 L W
35 - W
25 W
21 W
17 W
24 L
1 -
22 L
7 - W
15 W
3 W
12 L
20 W
20 W
26 W
5 - W
16 -
14 -
21 L
14 -
34 -
2 W
16 -
7 -
22 W
22 L
14 - L
5 -
18 L
25 W
28 -
12 W
30 L
31 L
13 W
30 L
I hope I did it correctly, only one question, how to handle double fallen numbers ? I will do some more testing.
Almost correct but if we play both versions together would be more losses. I don't understand what you mean with double fallen numbers? Like 33, 33 ? It is twice 3rd dozen.
Cheers Hermes
Another test result, this time a bit worser, the bet moments are bold, if I have done it correctly:
25 -
28 -
1 -
31 L
9 -
17 W
15 -
14 L
17 -
18 -
4 -
16 L
27 W
3 -
30 -
4 W
16 W
27 -
20 -
31 W
35 L
6 W
34 L
1 W
12 L
29 W
8 L
17 W
17 -
33 W
14 L
9 W
33 -
9 -
9 L
30 W
15 W
24 -
4 W
14 L
24 L
14 L
20 -
33 -
9 W
18 -
6 -
12 L
34 W
1 L
Yes, it doesn't looks good. Satan should know better when he gave me that idea in casino. It sometimes works and sometimes don't.
We could try to play after L last 2 last dozens and after W the same like before. You play Ls until loss and then Ws until loss. More fun no waiting. We will tweak the Satan until he lose his horns!.
Hermes
Another test I did:
5 -
12 -
11 -
21 -
2 L
28 W
12 -
28 W
35 L
1 W
15 W
29 -
5 -
23 -
3 -
6 L
19 W
25 W
20 -
9 W
25 -
11 -
3 L
3 L
30 -
29 W
32 L
30 -
33 -
11 -
6 W
27 W
34 W
13 W
36 L
25 L
1 W
9 W
15 W
34 W
14 -
10 W
3 -
34 W
8 L
29 W
11 W
28 W
30 L
0 L
2 -
21 -
16 -
1 W
21 L
19 L
17 L
10 -
13 L
11 W
0 L
33 -
12 -
36 -
15 W
24 -
2 W
35 W
2 -
12 L
2 L
9 -
28 -
36 W
Try it with my last tweak it could be a winner?
Hermes
I hope I have understand the tweak, look at the results, I hope it is correct:
6 -
0 -
32 -
26 -
28 -
15 -
23 W
5 W
3 W
25 W
15 W
35 -
15 W
15 L
8 L
31 W
14 -
15 -
17 L
10 L
8 W
10 L
18 W
17 W
20 W
12 W
32 L
1 -
4 -
6 L
19 L
1 L
20 W
18 W
8 W
31 L
6 -
1 L
11 W
25 W
17 L
30 -
12 W
5 -
16 W
9 L
2 W
27 L
36 W
26 L
14 L
0 L
Quote from: oxygene on April 30, 2010, 10:04:52 PM
I hope I have understand the tweak, look at the results, I hope it is correct:
6 -
0 -
32 -
26 -
28 -
15 -
23 W
5 W
3 W
25 W
15 W
35 -
15 W
15 L
8 L
31 W
14 -
15 -
17 L
10 L
8 W
10 L
18 W
17 W
20 W
12 W
32 L
1 -
4 - L
6 L W
19 L L
1 L W
20 W W
18 W W
8 W W
31 L L
6 -
1 L
11 W
25 W
17 L
30 -
12 W
5 -
16 W
9 L
2 W
27 L
36 W
26 L
14 L
0 L
Almost right. Thanks
Hermes
Tried it for the past few days, its an ok system but doesnt promise a good net profit. I went down a few times and my ups were slowly. Is there an advanced method on this system to improve it with??
Cos honestly. . . . Ive been using a similar system combining dozens and columns, but on the long run it unfortunately failed.
Looking forward to read more on this.
Kind regardds,
Bob
It could be played a way that we wait for 3 LLLs in row and then apply progression. There are not coming too many higher than 4 LLLLs in row. Progression: 1/1 unit, 3/3 units, 9/9 units, all together 26 units if lost but it must be coming 6 LLLLLLs in row! It would be recommended to play the strategy only on Euro roulette.
Hermes