Gizmo said this on another forum: (some of the words have been changed to protect myself from the mod on GG)
"If I have 40 spins, 30 that just happened and 10 that haven't yet happened, then I have 40 spins"
This is a very insightful statement. Have you ever really looked at roulette that way? Looked in a way where the last 30 spins can be a roadmap to the next spin if you know how to read the map? Past spins have no physical influence on future spins, but they do contain clues if you kow how to look at them. Gizmo has a way of seeing things and expressing them that are outside the box and hit me right between the eyes. When I play, I'm always playing 40 spins, and 10 of them have yet to happen.
Spike what is it you are trying to accomplish here?
Sure, I would love to believe you and Gizmo. Trust me, we ALL would. But absurd uneducated claims is something, and truth and reality is something else. I prefer the latter.
Whatever you see in terms of past results, the next 10 spin even money bet sequence will be one of 1024 equally probable 10 spin sequences. Your subjective observations don't change the true odds.
This is a basic feature of random-walks. If it weren't true it wouldn't be a random process in the first place, it would be a deterministic process.
Randomness, chaos, and unpredictability exist in the universe whether you accept it or not. In fact without chaotic systems life would be impossible (there wouldn't, for instance, be a thing such as a human brain). Saying that you can predict true random outcomes is basically the same as saying true random outcomes don't exist.
As Herb says: Understand?
Quote from: Noble Savage on April 19, 2010, 11:57:02 AM
Spike what is it you are trying to accomplish here?
The impossible... even roulette will be figured out a long time before Gizmo, Spike, John Patrick, and the other "nuts" figure out each other.
Quote from: Noble Savage on April 19, 2010, 11:57:02 AM
Whatever you see in terms of past results, the next 10 spin even money bet sequence will be one of 1024 equally probable 10 spin sequences. Your subjective observations don't change the true odds.
I'll try one more time. Following trends has never been about changing the odds to anything favorable. Following trends has never been about expecting the odds to improve in my favor.
If you must delve into subjective conclusions and the adaptive
TRUTH then please don't begin with a cheap trick of erecting a straw man argument. It's obvious that you want to debate the illusion that you hold as true and have nothing to do with an informative observation of the nature of randomness.
Quote from: GARNabby on April 19, 2010, 01:06:55 PM
The impossible... even roulette will be figured out a long time before Gizmo, Spike, John Patrick, and the other "nuts" figure out each other.
Why are math oriented gamblers so angry? GARNabby has never been able to show the math that prevents the next spin in a streak of blacks from being black once again. What are the odds of two streaks in the EC's occurring in the next 60 spins? All I ever get is silence. So it must be noted that with an educated guess anyone could figure that a streak of silence has permeated the math oriented gamblers for such a long streak that it now classifies the situation as elegant.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 19, 2010, 01:38:55 PM
Why are math oriented gamblers so angry? GARNabby has never been able to show the math that prevents the next spin in a streak of blacks from being black once again. What are the odds of two streaks in the EC's occurring in the next 60 spins? All I ever get is silence. So it must be noted that with an educated guess anyone could figure that a streak of silence has permeated the math oriented gamblers for such a long streak that it now classifies the situation as elegant.
Why does Giz run from every intelligent debate I put before him... he keeps asking while I keep answering, yet he "moves on", posts/replies something else which is actually the same old junk starting all over again.
Why does Giz want to make this sort of thing about some emotion, let alone anger?
What a sick ass you are, Mr Giz... just like Spike and the other "kids" on the phone.
Lunch-break is over... back to work.
Quote from: GARNabby on April 19, 2010, 01:45:00 PM
Why does Giz run from every intelligent debate I put before him... he keeps asking while I keep answering, yet he "moves on", posts/replies something else which is actually the same old junk starting all over again.
Why does Giz want to make this sort of thing about some emotion, let alone anger?
What a sick ass you are, Mr Giz... just like Spike and the other "kids" on the phone.
All I want is an intelligent answer and not a dodge the question answer like this one. What are the odds for a streak from forming in the next 60 spins? Some of you math oriented people can't even admit that streaks exist. Did you know that other math oriented people study pattern recognition to prove that statistical advantages exist? It's just some people can't accept peer pressure from their own scientific interest. There is a fundamental question that must be to answer.
QuoteWhat are the odds for a streak from forming in the next 60 spins?
You need to be more specific. How long is the streak? if you define a streak as 2 or more in a row, it's 100% that at least one side will streak.
Whats new about using 30 past spins as an road map ??
Twist things and make it look like an discovery - boring !!
Would be cool to see how it change things - if that is what you claim :lol:
Cheers
Quote from: Bayes on April 19, 2010, 01:57:26 PM
You need to be more specific. How long is the streak? if you define a streak as 2 or more in a row, it's 100% that at least one side will streak.
Two or more in a row is an impractical streak. Suppose you track for 100 groups with 100 styles of trends from each group. Suppose you observe with a goal to see powerful dominances or patterns to form. What are the odds that any of that will follow a strict baseline alignment to the long term odds for 300 spins? You can only produce those odds for past spins. You would have to use the most recent spins to get the results that are statistically short term and the most recent. They would be the true odds based on true results. So, what are the predictive probability stats for the immediate 60 spins? There is such a thing as context. There is nothing that can stop a trend from continuing. I say there is a skill to dealing with what comes next in the short term. It certainly is not limited to probability assumptions.
Gizmo ,
Let me address this to you regarding the method making the FIRST bet of a pre selected EC being the intermittence. If the intermittence loses twice in a row it means we are in the midst of a run ( trend) and this should be exploited until the first loss . :ok:
This is about the general idea of this method wiithout giving any more details.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on April 19, 2010, 02:51:17 PM
Gizmo ,
Let me address this to you regarding the method making the FIRST bet of a pre selected EC being the intermittence. If the intermittence loses twice in a row it means we are in the midst of a run ( trend) and this should be exploited until the first loss . :ok:
This is about the general idea of this method wiithout giving any more details.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!
I somewhat agree, if you go ahead and follow winning trends that is.
Gizmo,
Exactly ! The point is getting either a chop or a run served on the same platter. :clapping:
N.D.
Savage Said: >>Whatever you see in terms of past results, the next 10 spin even money bet sequence will be>>>
Let me ask you something. When you look at the last 30 spins, do you see anything that makes sense there, patterns, trends, anything you can relate to or identify? If you can, why do you assume the next 10 spins will be gobblygook nonsense that will have you running out to the parking lot with your brain fried?
Do it another way. Take the last 30 spins and seperate the last 10 from the first 20. Do you see any kind of resemblance between them? If you do, why do you assume the next 10 unknown spins will be from another planet and have no resemblance as far as patterns or trends to the previous spins? What in the math tells you they will be so alien? The first 30 seem to fit together like a puzzle, why won't the next 10 fit the puzzle too?
Gizmo Said: >>there is a skill to dealing with what comes next in the short term. >>
Its all skill and just like playing the piano, you improve with practice. You start with chopsticks on the piano and if you practice daily, years later you can play Chopin. In reading random you have to start at the beginning also and work at it for a long time. Problem is, nobody wants to do that, they want results tomorrow. So they'll waste years buying systems and trying everything under the sun to find the HG. Good luck with that approach, it hasn't worked for anybody in 200 years, but you never know.
QuoteIts all skill and just like playing the piano, you improve with practice. You start with chopsticks on the piano and if you practice daily, years later you can play Chopin.
WOW impressive :lol:
Cheers
Quote from: Spike! on April 19, 2010, 04:10:59 AM
Gizmo said this on another forum: (some of the words have been changed to protect myself from the mod on GG)
"If I have 40 spins, 30 that just happened and 10 that haven't yet happened, then I have 40 spins"
This is a very insightful statement. Have you ever really looked at roulette that way? Looked in a way where the last 30 spins can be a roadmap to the next spin if you know how to read the map? Past spins have no physical influence on future spins, but they do contain clues if you kow how to look at them. Gizmo has a way of seeing things and expressing them that are outside the box and hit me right between the eyes. When I play, I'm always playing 40 spins, and 10 of them have yet to happen.
Why the 30/10 ratio?
Why not 13/4, or 28/14, or 3/1, etc.
Isn't 30/10 only applicable to your preferred bet selection criteria?
I think the majority of players probably use this style of forecasting.
Isn't 30/10 only applicable to your preferred bet selection criteria?>>>
It could be anything you like. 15/5, 11/3, it doesn't matter. 30/10 is just an example.
Gizmo also said: "they chant that past spins have no effect on future outcomes. The spins have the effect of being part of the whole though. "
Past spins can have no effect on future spins physically. What they means is just because the ball physically fell into a red pocket 10 times in a row, that doesn't mean it has to fall in black pocket now. All those reds mean nothing to the ball. But the past spins can influence where you place your next bet.
Ever been lost? Looking at a map will do you no good whatsoever unless you know exactly where you are on the map. Its meaningless nonsense. So you drive around for awhile until you see the intersection you're at on the map. And voila!! The map now makes total sense. You know where you are in relation to everything on the map.
Reading random is exactly like this. By reading the random correctly, you know where you are in relation to the past spins and can make educated guesses as to whats next. The more you do it (practice) the better you get.
Quote from: Spike! on April 19, 2010, 07:32:25 PM
Isn't 30/10 only applicable to your preferred bet selection criteria?>>>
It could be anything you like. 15/5, 11/3, it doesn't matter. 30/10 is just an example.
Ok, that's what I thought.
Thanks for clearing that up.
normaly i wouldnt bother posting where gizmo is but i think every one has forgoten the point.
i believe what gizmo is saying to be true for me anyway. i amit hes hard to understand but i believe the past results can show you the future spins, not so much where but what mite happen.
its true it will never favour you but for some reason it happens.
im not saying you can determin where the ball will land but it all seems to be apart of a bigger picture.
now im sounding crazy lol
darrynf,
NO , NO , NO ! You are not sounding cracy . It is THE BIG PICTURE what one has to look at. :ok:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
look at 10.000 spins. and show me patterns tell me how you could have picked one winning number. or colour.
i went to the casino one day. the spins 1.9.5.11.15/ then the next five 1 .9.5.11.15. any combination is possible.
its aLL IN THE MIND.
Quote from: darrynf on January 24, 2011, 05:55:07 PM
... but I believe the past results can show you the future spins, not so much where but what mite happen.
its true it will never favour you but for some reason it happens.
All this eventually ends in an understanding of changing conditions.
For EC I dont pick numbers. But with the numbers and their respective color you have given I would have won twice within that sequence of 10 and not have lost once.
It all depends of what you see meets the requirements of your method. Simple as that.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
You can create an order within the chaos yourself. To do this, you will have to create the parameters for your bet to exist. It is then simply a case of patience and striking when the iron is hot. Now how difficult is that?
wow im surprised at how positive that went.
fom someone sounding crazy to it sounding true, its hard as well to explain how a system works with this theory.
i base my system (no its not on this forum) on patterns and the past events and bet on what i think will win.
if you take repeating numbers and new numbers what i have notce is that most of the time it evens its self out or one of them will come through more so i try to devoped a method that shows me the past and then i bet on what i think will happen.
seems to work for now but i havent put much time in it at the moment
When a trend is hot (they do exist) jump on it and when it turns cold get off it. Accept small winnings and know when to quit
Funny how that works isn't it?
The maths have only an eye for randomness and infinite rows.Small samples will not follow the rule of the large numbers.Small samples have different features.Nobody can predict the outcome of a spin but special trends are predictable.The random row has also statistic features.These featuresgive you the way to a successful strategy.