This system is obviously the main system Labouchere. . . (This system is also called the 'Cancellation' system. In its simplest form, you write down a series or a set of numbers; say, 1 2 3 4 5 6. )
Betting on two dozen
The first bet is the sum of the two numbers at either end - in this case 7 (1 + 6) on each dozen. If you win, you cross out the two numbers and bet the next two 'ends' (2 + 5). If you win again you bet on the next two remaining numbers 3 and 4, and if you win that too, you would have made completed one game. Then you start all over again.
If you lose, then you add that one number to the end of the series. But be careful, you lose the two dozen, so you must add both of these lose. In our case it will be like this: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,7. The next bet is the sum of the two numbers at either end - in this case 8 (1 + 7) on each dozen.
EXAMPLE
1st Bet (7, 7) on two dozen and lost -14
2nd bet (8,8) on two dozen and lost -30
3rd bet (9,9) on two dozen and won -21
4th bet (10,10) on two dozen and won -11
5th bet (10,10) on two dozen and lost -33
6th bet (13,13) on two dozen and won -20
7th bet (14,14) on two dozen and won -6
8th bet (12,12) on two dozen and won +6
i have played 4 days on 0. 10 chip table on rng and i am up +211
Hi Buju,
Thanks for sharing. What's your highest bet unit for each dozen during the 4 days?
Dan
hi anakin,
my highest bet was £15. 90 on each dozen with £0. 10 bet. When I am playing I am up £12-£20 per hour with £0. 10 bet. . . . . it is like more money management and I was testing and comparing my number and my result with six point divisor plan and Labouchere to 2 dozen, and I find Labouchere to 2 dozen more safe and it will recover easily. . . (in my opinion)
Buju my ? is which is the best way 2 pick the dozens to play every spin . May i add I hope this goes on making you money for a long time to come Best of good luck Colin . ps at which are you playing at.
@roolette
The Labouchere system requires you to come up with a line of numbers. This can be anything you want, like 1 2 3 4 5 6
The first bet is the sum of the two numbers at either end - in this case 7 (6 + 1) on two dozen
If this bet wins, cancel out the 1 and 6 so the series is now 2, 3, 4, 5
Bet then with 7 (2+5) on two dozen
If the first bet loses, add the 7 to the end of the sequence (you loses the two dozen, so you must add both of these loses) so the sequence is then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7
The next bet would then be 8 (1+7) on both dozen
The series continues until all the numbers in the sequence have been cancelled and the set profit has been made.
Quote from: Colin link=topic=16087. msg103153#msg103153 date=1272269110
Buju my ? is which is the best way 2 pick the dozens to play every spin . May I add I hope this goes on making you money for a long time to come Best of good luck Colin . ps at which are you playing at.
Hi Colin, I am playing the last two dozen won every spin and get rest when I reach +20. . . play in smaller chip like
0. 10 or max 0. 25!.
I have been playing 6 days (3-4 hours a day) and never lost so far!
ONLY PLAY 0. 10p OR 0. 25p Chip!
Buju this is in my opinion 1 great post easy 2 play the 10p would suite me as an oap grand perhaps next time you are on line tell me what you think would be a good starting bankroll keep winning cheers Colin
Good system- I like the Labouchere and this seems a good variant. A couple of questions- when do you throw in the towel on a poor run, and how do you choose the dozens you are betting on?
Hi very glad 2 see this post still alive & well . Now this is possible open 2 redicule bet here goes I beleive that 2 people playing could bet the dozens + the columes 1 4 7 10 13 16 19 22 25 28 31 & 34 etc useing the same staking plan . tell me what you all think per haps my head is full of mad dog s*** lol .Colin
buju, roolet, guys,
Just for your informatin, I played this exact system. Did pretty well for quite a while and then the bottom fell out.
I had a terrible losing streak and once I was down it took forever to really make any headway and then before I could get back close to even, another losing streak, etc. . .
I finally realized that this is just a slower martingale in disguise.
I have tried numerous betting systems with that bet selection method and they all end up in the same place. THE TOILET!
Some are more explosive than others and some are more of a grind, but I haven't found anything that doesn't get out of hand eventually. If it doesn't, you're practically betting a flat bet which doesn't win either.
Do testing on some actual numbers before you invest much money. It's pretty easy to test since there's no tracking or virtual betting, just a straightforward mechanical bet (IMO this always spells trouble. )
Go to win-maxx. com and roulette and you can download some archived actuals for testing.
You have to be lucky to win with this long term, real lucky. Test, you'll see what I mean.
If you decide to play it, lol.
P. S. You might consider the Penthouse betting system. It's much less volatile. lol
George
This system is ok, but watch out for progression losing streaks. You could indead end up losing your bankroll.
The good thing is that you are betting on dozens or collumns, I always liked those bets.
Now, I understand your labouchere cancel-system, but on which dozen are you guys betting?
Maybe combining it with collumns as well?
Kind regards,
Bob
Quote from: foreverBOB on May 05, 2010, 01:39:42 PM
This system is ok, but watch out for progression losing streaks. You could indead end up losing your bankroll.
The good thing is that you are betting on dozens or collumns, I always liked those bets.
Now, I understand your labouchere cancel-system, but on which dozen are you guys betting?
Maybe combining it with collumns as well?
Kind regards,
Bob
Very good straigh forward question Bob.
--One more question in my next post
i dont understand this last post, please explain...
and does anyone know how to bet on which dozens?
Quote from: foreverBOB on May 05, 2010, 11:49:53 PM
I dont understand this last post, please explain...
and does anyone know how to bet on which dozens?
Hi I like this idea of yours and i am shure the figures men wont let you down as i for 1 would like 2 see what staking plan they com up with (common on Guys)When i am here i must ask BUJU are you still playing and winning or did others put you off .I hope this post stays alive for a long time as in my humble opinion its a good 1 . Keep'er Lit . Colin
Quote from: Colin on May 06, 2010, 05:55:31 AM
Hi I like this idea of yours and I am shure the figures men wont let you down as I for 1 would like 2 see what staking plan they com up with (common on Guys)When I am here I must ask BUJU are you still playing and winning or did others put you off .I hope this post stays alive for a long time as in my humble opinion its a good 1 . Keep'er Lit . Colin
Colin,
This bet as pure flat bet comes some on top on the long run,
Since am not great math,but think that it would do great on
Labouchere basis.Maybe somebody come along to help.
It was posted here recently by ex member but it seems that
nobody is interested for simple and true winning strategies,more
or less everyone thinks the more complicated bet the better...Wrong.
MEDO i do thank you for your good and fast answer Thanks again Colin
Well Colin,
Unfortunatelly it seems that those guys are more interested
in crap of Hydra,so let it be,which only shows me what kind of
ppl. are we dealling here now.They can't see a winning bet if
one put them it in front of their noses.Therefore am deleting
my post with the bet,hopping that you have writen it down.
Colin,
Thought I would make a few suggestions for you to try with this system.
First, the standard 'labby' betting system is a pretty good betting system but you might try this minor tweak.
First, write down the number 1. your first bet is 1 unit on the two dozens or columns. You can create a separate line of numbers for the columns and play both dozens and columns at the same time. But you should keep them separate. Just playing both at the same time.
As far as how to pick which dozens or columns to bet, you can use as someone said the last 2 to hit. So, if dozen 1 and dozen 3 are the last two dozens to hit, then you bet 1 unit on doz 1 and 1 unit on doz 3. If doz 2 hits, you lose and you add the sum of units bet to the end of the line which will now be 1 2 (the 2 is made up of the two 1 unit bets you made on your dozens). Your next bet is determined the same way as buju said. add the two end numbers together. In this case it will be 1 + 2 = 3 units on doz 3 and 3 units on doz 2 which are the last two dozs to hit. Let's say that doz 3 spins which is a win for us. Since we won, we cross off the two end numbers and since there were only two numbers in our line, this finishes our line, it means we have won 1 unit. So put that unit in your pocket and start another line with the number 1. Don't be tempted to start with a number higher than 1 to make more money, your unit amount can represent any amount you want, $1, $5, $10, $25, etc...
So we have written down 1 and we bet 1 unit on the last two dozens/columns that spun. Let's say we get lucky and one of our doz hits. We are now up 1 unit again so put that unit in your pocket.
Let's start again. Write down 1. Bet 1 on each dozen. Lose. Add 2 to end of the line and the line= 1 2. Now add the 1 and 2 together and bet 3 units on each dozen. Lose, so add 3 to the end of the line and the line=1 2 3. Now add the 1 and 3 together and bet 4 on both dozens. Win. Cross off the 1 and the 3 and our Line = 2. Now bet 2 on both dozens. Lose. Line=2 4. Now add 2 and 4 together and bet 6 on each dozen. Win. Line complete and up 1 unit again. Into the pocket it goes.
Keep doing this until you've won your win goal or lost your stop loss amount and then take a break.
If this is a little too volatile for you, you can play exactly as buju suggested except I don't like to write down a bunch of numbers like 1 2 3 4 5 6 because you have to play for a lot of wins before finishing the line and the size of the bets can climb quickly. The size of the bets can climb quickly no matter how you play this method. One trick is if you get a line like 6 7 8 9 10 or even higher, you can split the line into 2 smaller lines and play each line separately. Heck you can split the line into 3 or 4 or more small lines. This keeps your bets manageable. You must remember when you split the larger line into 2 or more smaller lines, the total of the two or more smaller lines must equal the total of the larger line.
Bet selection methods are plentiful. In addition to the one I used above, you can also pick the last to win and the one that lost furthest back. So, if you had dozens 3 1 3 2 3 3 1 3 2 2 3 that had spun, you would bet dozen 3 because it won last and dozen 1 because it won further back than dozen 2.
In another thread it was suggested that you rotate betting the last 2 dozs to win with the last two dozs to lose. This gives a pretty good shot at random.
As we know, the wheel has no memory so I wouldn't get too caught up in which two to bet. You could just pick 2 dozens and bet them every time.
You could use a trigger system such as Fender's most recent post, or if you could get Gizmo to spill the beans. I think he may be on to an excellent off-shoot of THE ZONE betting method, only reversed and turned inside out, whatever that means.
I suggest you read up on Victor's leftmost cancellation system posted somewhere in this forum which is a much safer method of betting, more of a grind. Depends on your playing style.
Ask questions and do some testing and tell me what you think, but don't give up due to lack of interest until you've explored this to your own satisfaction.
Cheers, George
as always clear as crystalclear water george.
Thanks for your friendly support,
Bob
George, With all due respect,but the question wasn't for 2 doz.or 2 column bets,
but similar bet/which is still 1/2 bet/........;
0,1,2,3 squad---------2 units
4-9 line -----------3 units
10-12 street--------- 1 unit...............refunds the money
19-24 line-------------3 units
25-30 line-------------3 units
-----it either wins 6 or loses 12
QUESTION;----How to applay Labouchere on this bet???????
Would appreciate unswer on this.Thanks
George thanks for the very very helpfull post it was great and easy to understandso thanks again Colin
Quote from: medo on May 11, 2010, 05:07:50 AM
George, With all due respect,but the question wasn't for 2 doz.or 2 column bets,
but similar bet/which is still 1/2 bet/........;
0,1,2,3 squad---------2 units
4-9 line -----------3 units
10-12 street--------- 1 unit...............refunds the money
19-24 line-------------3 units
25-30 line-------------3 units
-----it either wins 6 or loses 12
QUESTION;----How to applay Labouchere on this bet???????
Would appreciate unswer on this.Thanks
Medo,
Sorry but I don't see this post in the above string of replys. Maybe you removed it before I got a chance to read it.
If I were going to apply a Labouchere system to the above bet selection, I think I would think of the above bet as 1 global bet consisting of 12 units. I would write down the number 1. This represents all 12 units. If I win, I am up 6 units and my next bet is again 1 global bet of 12 units. If I lose, I write the number 1 next to my first 1 and my line looks like; 1 1 . Now I add each end together to get my next bet. 1 + 1 = 2 and 2 x12 = 24 units bet for the next spin. In other words just double all the above betting units. If I lose again, my line looks like; 1 1 2 and I add together the ends, 1 + 2 = 3 X 12 = 36 units or 3 times the above bet. If I win this spin, I cross off the two end numbers and my line looks like; 2. So I bet 2 X 12 = 24 units. If I win this spin I have finished my line and should be up 6 units.
If I hit the 10 11 12 street, I just rebet the last bet and do nothing to my line since I didn't win or lose.
This is just off the top of my head, but I think it's right.
I like the looks of the system, although only luck can make it win with a flat bet over the long haul. Which means that even a progression will lose if you just bet continuously. You'll have to come up with a stop loss and stop win to hope to beat the wheel.
Like Mr. J says, exploit the winning streaks and never let lady luck leave the casino more than a mili-second before you do.
Let me know what you think.
GLC
George,
Thanks for a nice explanation.
It's actually as I have imagined,but
I rather then prefer it as a flat bet....
but under certain condition,2 or eventually
3 virtuals LL OR LLL,then start punting,untill
you are 6 un. in plus,then reset.
You will not have many bets throughout a night session
of 350-400 spins,on 2 LL=about 25 bets,but will come
out as a winner,just flat beting.
Anybody can tested it and find out.
Quote from: medo on May 11, 2010, 04:02:30 PM
George,
Thanks for a nice explanation.
It's actually as I have imagined,but
I rather then prefer it as a flat bet....
but under certain condition,2 or eventually
3 virtuals LL OR LLL,then start punting,untill
you are 6 un. in plus,then reset.
You will not have many bets throughout a night session
of 350-400 spins,on 2 LL=about 25 bets,but will come
out as a winner,just flat beting.
Anybody can tested it and find out.
So, Medo wait 2 or 3 virtual losses,
exactly wait 2 or 3 numbers from lines (LLL)
13-18, and 31-36, than bet Flat Bet (steep 1 only)until in plus 6.
Or use this steeps of progression :
1. on the 3 lines 3units
on the squad 2 u
on the single street 1 u
next steep
2. 3 lines...... 6 u
1 squad ...4 u
1 single....2 u
next steep( 3 ) will be double all again
and stay on top , steep 3, until win.
The 2 or 3 L s can be from any others two lines,
then bet the others 25 numbers remained, right ?
Balint
Balint,
You can do as suits you,but after LL,punting continously
flat bet untill 6+...........and restart with LL.....
Thisway you will have about 25 bets throughout a session
of about 400 spins.
But if you would start punting after LLL or LLLL then you could
consider doubling up after each L;
2-3-1-3-3-
4-6-2-6-6-
6-9-3-6-6-.........etc.........2 up on a L--2 down on a W
The problem is that you wouldn't make much bets thisway.
The flat bet is I find the best after 2 LL,as this specific bet
covers all B/E & R/O + ZERO,and even losing 2 or 3 bets in the row,
soon recovers it in 6+.......................as sometimes/in fact very often/
it strikes continously for more then 12-18 spins.
I have tried/play not testing/all kind of 2 doz or col. bets,but this
bet is far more secure and profitable then any other of the kind.
How about the idea of playing after two virtual LLs that may help save the bankroll lol.
I like this progression very nice and flexible too.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on May 12, 2010, 10:29:00 PM
How about the idea of playing after two virtual LLs that may help save the bankroll lol.
I like this progression very nice and flexible too.
Stuart
That's what am I talking about--2 virtual LL---then bet.