but could anyone tell me the best recoupe,betting on two dozens on the third step ie 1,3 then stop loss on 9.
my head is sore with maths. :shout:
well,that,ll be a no then. >:( >:( >:(
come on guys an galls,help me out with the best loss,at the third step. this is loosely based on the zone and could help with drawdowns as the i way i play will hit continually and can be played every 3-4 spins, for hours,not hit and run.
there is a big kiss waiting. :give_heart: :give_heart: :give_heart:
hi fender, that's not how i have been playing.i wait for two dozens to hit ie 27 then 34,i now bet on dozs 1 and dozs 2.
this is extremely effective and you can play for an hour and not go past 3rd progression.but play for 2hours and you will come across 5 dozs on the trot,which is not a problem if you have a bankroll for 4th of 5th progression. i have had no more than 6 dozs on the trot in 2500 spins. i am well aware that this could go for 12 or 20 dozs on the trot.
this is the reason why i was asking about a stop loss or best re coupe on 3rd progression as you will have 30 wins on step 1 and 2.
it can also be aided by betting against the possibility of doz1 then doz2 then doz3 hitting and not hitting in that sequence again, this is also not a regular occurrence,but can happen.
with the amount of hits playing this way and a stop loss at the 3rd progression you really can sit and play for hours. if that is your want.
i would like to know what anyone can suggest for a best loss at the third prog.
pretty please. :thumbsup:
i have been busted twice in 2500 spins,at dublin bet and super casino, that means going past 4th progression.you can have 20-30 wins using both ways of play, before a loss if the loss comes. i know it could happen at the first 5 spins, but i believe in cycles and it seems to come round approx 300 spins.
the worst sequence i have had was,LLLMMLLLLLMLLLLLHHHHHHM.
you could deal with this if you could go to 5th progression,which if playing one unit 1,3,9,27,81.
this is to rich for me.
all my numbers are on paper, and going through them will take time. the way i see it is play an hour or hit your amount cos you can sit for quite a while without a loss.
btw L=low nums M=medium H=high.
Fender, is this a losing streak on dozens?
29, 6, 27, 1, 25, 9, 34, 10, 24, 14
it would be a winner. :ok:
fender there is no need to chase any streaks,i have not thought this at all. the streaks come and at times you feel that you know what will hit next.
the vast majority of wins are within 2 bets,but because the possibility of 6 dozs or more in a row is possible,a stop loss or best loss would keep this very stable.
could you help with this???????????????????? or anyone.
fender i can see no point in watching a 100 spin sequence, the hit rate is very good.a 6 run of dozs can happen at any time, if you can accept this with a best loss you will hit for the next 10 plays.
if you have the cash and the cahoonas your stop would be on 4th progression.
as we speak i have played 40 spins on dublin bet table 1 for 40 spins and have 12 wins,going to 3rd prog twice.
this could go for 30 plays or a 6 run could hit.
there has to be a way minimising losses, please tell me there is.
Does anyone care to show me how waiting changes the chance of hitting? In other words, show me the math.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but on a single zero wheel, isn't the chance of hitting on a dozen numbers 12/37? :)
And if the same 12 number section has already hit twice in a row the chance of it hitting on the next spin is still just 12/37.
And if the same 12 number section hasn't hit for 20 spins, the chance of it hitting on the next spin is still 12/37.
There seems to be a trend of new guys arriving every few days that are chasing the "gambler's fallacy".
-Herb6 :)
Quote from: Herb6 on April 30, 2010, 07:31:51 PM
Does anyone care to show me how waiting changes the chance of hitting? In other words, show me the math.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but on a single zero wheel, isn't the chance of hitting on a dozen numbers 12/37? :)
And if the same 12 number section has already hit twice in a row the chance of it hitting on the next spin is still just 12/37.
And if the same 12 number section hasn't hit for 20 spins, the chance of it hitting on the next spin is still 12/37.
-Herb6 :)
you can spout that all you want,that is in the perfect world,a roulette table is not the perfect world.you can not tell me that you do not see patterns in dozens as you see patterns in red black.
you are hitting on 24 numbers not 12. and this does give you an edge. you can also bet your last dollar that a run you dont want will emerge from those patterns.
maths really has no place in roulette as it is set in stone formulas,there is no such thing in roulette.
by your very example of 12/37,this should mean that 24/37 is the dogs bollocks.but it aint.it will give you more wins than losses,and waiting x amount of spins before betting does improve chances of hitting.
maths will spoil any strategy of play because it is rigid and will not bend.
give me your best loss betting on 2 dozens,you can use maths if you want. :pleasantry:
Then show me the math. On a random single zero wheel, If the chance of a dozen hitting isn't 12/37 after you qualify it, then what is it? :)
I have handily proven my case. Can you prove your's?
why would you need maths to prove that, a dozen can miss for 24 spins,does that not throw your equation out of the water. if you see it miss for that amount of spins would you not fancy it to come up soon.???????????
Why would it be "due" to come in soon?
Is the dealer blocking some of the numbers from hitting once they've hit?
Aren't there still 37 pockets on the roulette wheel?
Isn't the chance of the 12 number section hitting still just 12/37?
The chance that you will see that 12 number section go 24 spins without hitting is (24/37) ^ 24. Once you've waited that long, the chance it will go another 24 without hitting is (24/37) ^ 24.
Understand?
that is bull and you know it,answer my question would you expect a dozen to appear after 24 misses, every number does have the same chance. this is the reason that your dozen will come out and why you will see patterns in play.
why you would deny this is beyond me.
Quote from: Herb6 on April 30, 2010, 08:16:46 PM
Why would it be "due" to come in soon?
Is the dealer blocking some of the numbers from hitting once they've hit?
Aren't there still 37 pockets on the roulette wheel?
Isn't the chance of the 12 number section hitting still just 12/37?
The chance that you will see that 12 number section go 24 spins without hitting is (24/37) ^ 24. Once you've waited that long, the chance it will go another 24 without hitting is (24/37) ^ 24.
so what you are saying is that a dozen could be gone for ever and never hit.by your own definition every number has the same chance.this is exactly why i would expect it to come in.
Understand?
Answer my questions if you can. If not, then bring someone in that can. :)
Is the dealer blocking some of the numbers from hitting once they've hit?
Aren't there still 37 pockets on the roulette wheel?
Isn't the chance of the 12 number section hitting still just 12/37?
herb,you are starting to loose me. if you want to hear that a dozen has a slightly lower than 1in 3 chance of hitting then your maths are bang on.if you think that this is how it pans out when playing for say 50 spins then no i do not agree.
i was asking about betting on 24 numbers not 12,so your cast in stone formula does not apply to me.
why will no one come up with a best win loss on 3rd progression when betting on 2 dozs.
come on herb put yer maths to the test.
btw,is being a perseverent member a good thing or a bad thing. ???
MADCUFF MAYBE I CAN HELP GO UNDER JONNYYN ITS ON THE FORM HE PARAYS BETS ON TWO DOZENS
does that mean he parlays bets on 2 dozens, could you explain this.
Yes, the math still applies.
The chance of hitting two specific dozens in a row is 24/37 x 24/37 for a payoff that is less than the chance of hitting it. It sort of sucks how that payoff is always a bit short. :)
And no, you can't step outside of probability by waiting for two dozens not to hit either.
On a single zero wheel, the chance of two dozens not hitting for 24 spins is (12/37)^24 (If you want to wait around for this long to bet that it will hit, then the chance of them hitting when you bet on spin 25 is still just 24/37.
Again, nothing changes by waiting.
Like I said, the dealer isn't blocking each number after they hit.
37 pockets still remain on the wheel.
Therefore, each spin is an independent trial and the chance of hitting on any single spin doesn't change from one spin to the next.
-Herb6 :)
so by your reckoning a dozen could disappear for a week ,is that right.
Theoretically, yes, it could.
The chance is remote, but it can happen.
Macduff, I play almoust every day two *dozens*, two dozens can be any 24 numbers, or 8 streets.
Make your own dozens from streets, 3 groups A, B, C each one 12 numbers, 4 streets.
If you try something like this, play AB,BC,AC(and others) , if one *dozen* disappear ,
do not affect you to much.
Make your own dozens groups, 4 or 5 diffrent A,B,C(dozens) groups, and track all together,
and bet only after 2 or 3 LLL, or bet only after the (LL...) LW.....bet now until first
L appear. I see every day short and long WWWWW streaks.
Whit this you can skip 2 or 3 L s :
0,20/per street(total 8 streets), than 0,60, ....1,80.........5,40 , skip 3 LLL s
or 0,50.......1,50...........4,50.....13,5 , skip 3 LLL s
just my opinion, and my way to play.
so by your reckoning a dozen could disappear for a week ,is that right.>>
If it does disappear fo that long, check under the table, its probably sleeping under there.
Fender,
All I can say is wow! You have a great deal to learn.
Show me the math :)
Fender, All I can say is wow! You have a great deal to learn.>>
He's another grad of Wendel University, leave him alone. Its a new math, a purer math, the true math. Quit being so damned jealous, Herb.
No, what I mean is show how you arrived at 100.
>House edge negative expectancy are not EVEN ON THE GRID. Simply find out if something balances out to its exepected hit percentage over 100 spins. Devide into two. And see how each 50 performs in relation to the other. THATS it mystery solved..>
Hidden Math 101, Herb. Consult your manual.
>>CONCLUSION ROULETTE IS VERY, VERY BEATABLE. >>
Live with it Herb.
You're joking right?
Do you honestly believe that you can figure a wheel out by just watching 100 spins?
Do you have a brain Herb? You don't arrive at 100. 100 IS THE NUMBER WE MEASURE PERCENTAGE BY CORRECT? It is also the number that breaks the game of roulette.>>>
Herb has a brain, but he was on drugs the whole year they taught this in college. Lighten up on him, dude..
Quote from: Spike! on May 01, 2010, 01:44:06 AM
Fender, All I can say is wow! You have a great deal to learn.>>
He's another grad of Wendel University, leave him alone. Its a new math, a purer math, the true math. Quit being so damned jealous, Herb.
It took fender 10 years to complete his graduation in hidden math, so it clearly it isn't an easy subject to master and we should respect his determination. However, he missed the short cut most people in the real world work take. If he'd have gone to a proper university, or even a school, he could have learned the ins and outs of these new and amazing hidden procedures in all of 5 minutes.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 01, 2010, 12:43:14 AM
Einstein, YOU the postman, cannot explain why a so-called random game with no memory DOES THAT.
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution)
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_randomness (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_randomness)
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness)
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_process (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_process)
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_walk (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_walk)
Quote from: fender1000 on May 01, 2010, 11:08:58 AM
DOES IT TURN A PROFIT OR NOT?
No.
The bet selection means nothing. It hits at 80% because the maths says it will, meaning if you played flat stakes you would lose 2.7p for every £1 you wagered. All you're trying to do is overcome the house edge with a progression, which is mathematically impossible with a practical system and you can't prove otherwise.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 01, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
When does it sink in 6 HOUSE EDGE DOES NOT HINDER THE ZONE IT HELPS IT.
:lol: So you're the only person in the entire world and the history of the world that wasn't affected by the house edge? You ARE a new Wendel. All you have is theories and at best they are nonsense. You're very ignorant.
Quote from: Number Six on May 01, 2010, 11:26:59 AM
No.
The bet selection means nothing. It hits at 80% because the maths says it will, meaning if you played flat stakes you would lose 2.7p for every £1 you wagered. All you're trying to do is overcome the house edge with a progression, which is mathematically impossible with a practical system and you can't prove otherwise.
Why are you obsessed with the house edge all the time and the maths.Do you constantly think of the negative aspects of the game every time you play,because if you do their is no point whatsoever of you playing the game at all. :(
fender,have checked 4300 spins.all at dublin bet and super casino.
2 dozens together was 650,3 dozens together was 210,4 dozens together was 63,5dozens together was 27,6 dozens together was 5,7dozens together was 1,and 8 dozens together was also 1.
forgot to track same sequence runs,but will do. :blink: a lot to be said for computer tracking. :boredom:
Quote from: moles40 on May 01, 2010, 01:28:32 PM
Why are you obsessed with the house edge all the time and the maths.Do you constantly think of the negative aspects of the game every time you play,because if you do their is no point whatsoever of you playing the game at all. :(
What else is there? When you're using a system like fender's the only things are the negative aspects. It's called being realistic and pragmatic. Conversely why do you constantly delude yourself into thinking you can beat the random game with a system that is based on gambler's fallacy?
Why are you desperate to believe that fender knows what he is talking about? He is horribly off the mark. Everything he says is a rookie's cliche. Use his system, just don't invest money in it you can't afford to lose. Don't be swayed by his nonsense. He's the next James Wendel.
Quotehave you never been taught "the law of averages"
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages)
I guess Wikipedia is wrong. :lol: